| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: I got a warning that syslinux was removed, I wonder if that's systemd's doing | 00:34 |
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| KotCzarny | removing sys* ? | 00:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Warning, your bootloader had been removed. Was the message in a nutshell... | 00:43 |
| Wizzup | yes, systemd has a bootloader now. | 00:43 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if they get their own kernel | 00:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I have grub2 aswell now. | 00:44 |
| KotCzarny | i shall learn grub2 syntax one day | 00:45 |
| KotCzarny | 1 was simple enough | 00:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmmm,still waiting for install to complete and my other downloads and then I can reboot to see WTF has | 00:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | happened | 00:46 |
| KotCzarny | prepare usb rescue booter | 00:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have a unetbootin USB already, infact that's why I had syslinux in the first place I believe. | 00:48 |
| * sixwheeledbeast yawns | 00:49 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | well i'll see in the morning when it's done, gn | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | nn | 00:52 |
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| Luke-Jr | didn't systemd fork Linux a while ago? | 02:49 |
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| scottc | Luke-Jr: I think that was an April Fool's joke :) | 03:19 |
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| scottc | at least, I hope it was... | 03:19 |
| Luke-Jr | it's inevitable. | 03:20 |
| Luke-Jr | even if it was last time | 03:21 |
| * Luke-Jr is glad his distro is staying away from systemd | 03:21 | |
| scottc | slackware? | 03:24 |
| scottc | or gentoo? | 03:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | There aren't many distros left... | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | you can create your own | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | suited for your needs | 10:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Berkeley? | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | could be | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, depends on your needs | 10:12 |
| KotCzarny | im happy with slack | 10:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I was still thinking of the ones left. | 10:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I would hope things can rebase on devuan | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | only time will tell | 10:14 |
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| kerio | just install openbsd :c | 10:51 |
| kerio | it's pretty | 10:51 |
| bencoh | sigh :) | 10:54 |
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| KotCzarny | can i run n900's scratchbox under openbsd? | 11:15 |
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| * ryukafalz actually likes systemd | 11:20 | |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ryukafalz: I have no beef with systemd as such, however, I believe it has become the polar opposite of Unix philosophy. | 12:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also personally I prefer upstart, so why should people have to leave a distro because of one meta-ball of a package. | 12:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Do one thing and do it well? | 12:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Choose portability over efficiency? | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | isnt sysvinit already portable? | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | my main concern is the dependency hell | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | and also what swb said, 'do one thing but do it perfect' is the unix base | 12:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | exactly | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | and we know what's the opposite of that | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | m$ | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | and blackboxes | 12:15 |
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| kerio | and systemd | 12:17 |
| kerio | which has grown so big that bugs are inevitable | 12:17 |
| kerio | BUGS | 12:17 |
| kerio | IN PID ZERO | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | pid one | 12:18 |
| kerio | er yes | 12:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | My main concern with systemd is PID 1 and having to reboot on updates. | 13:03 |
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| KotCzarny | hehe | 13:03 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oh well time to go down for a reboot, call for help if you don't here from me in ~30 minutes.... | 15:07 |
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| KotCzarny | i guess swb lost to systemd | 15:36 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:36 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: I am alive. Well sort of. | 15:39 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 15:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am now trying to fixed the things that have changed. | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | shouldnt it be done via package manager ? | 15:40 |
| KotCzarny | whats the point otherwise | 15:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | well installing upstart-sysv for a start. | 15:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: Well I have installed MATE now and stopped systemd from being PID 1 :) | 16:41 |
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| KotCzarny | swb: grats | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | and isnt it amazing, you removed it and it still boots? | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | unbelievable | 16:58 |
| Vajb_ | is it like removing one's heart and he is still going? :) | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 17:03 |
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| KotCzarny | it is like removing b0rg implant | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | and going plain | 17:03 |
| Vajb_ | uhoh jumping in the deep end without floaters | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if what's happening with systemd is cryptosponsored by m$ | 17:04 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 17:04 |
| Vajb_ | no idea. Didn't even bother to check if crunchbang has it | 17:05 |
| KotCzarny | kind of nokia case mole 'helping' to move in 'new' direction | 17:05 |
| Vajb_ | maybe elop has joined to systemd developers | 17:06 |
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| KotCzarny | i think elop isnt the only one | 17:06 |
| Vajb | probably not | 17:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: not removed, only not init. I was confident that it would be fine, it was designed that way to fallback to. | 17:08 |
| KotCzarny | still, unremovable parts of the system are kind of scary | 17:09 |
| KotCzarny | (that aren't essential before) | 17:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 1 root 20 0 init :) | 17:11 |
| KotCzarny | mind you, even glibc has an alternative | 17:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | policykit1 depends on systemd, as I say as long as it's not init I am happy | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | mine doesn't | 17:14 |
| zGrr | moin :) | 17:14 |
| KotCzarny | oink | 17:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ciao | 17:15 |
| zGrr | systemd is vicious conspiracy to destroy linux | 17:15 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, more like, tie it down | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | next step, they will integrate it into kernel | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | and put kernel into firmware | 17:16 |
| zGrr | they'll get rid of the kernel and replace it with their own. | 17:17 |
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| KotCzarny | thats another way | 17:18 |
| KotCzarny | still, taking pc from user is the current direction | 17:18 |
| zGrr | at that time there will be PC no more | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | blackboxes | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | blackboxes everywhere | 17:19 |
| zGrr | whatever. | 17:19 |
| zGrr | proprietary. | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | thats why i dislike arm | 17:19 |
| zGrr | open systems, that are just as open as soviet union. | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | even if its superior in design to x86 | 17:20 |
| zGrr | this is far worse than arm. | 17:20 |
| zGrr | have you seen recent intel based tablets? | 17:20 |
| zGrr | they are great | 17:20 |
| zGrr | except that you cannot do anything with them. | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 17:21 |
| zGrr | no way to put proper linux on it despite hardware being fully supported. | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | ..yet | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | but yes, blackboxes | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | you can only click | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | not tweak | 17:21 |
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| zGrr | I was hoping for chinese CPUs, but they seemd to stalled | 17:26 |
| Sicelo | why is it not possible zGrr? | 17:32 |
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| zGrr | Sicelo: because of UEFI | 17:34 |
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| Sicelo | oh noes :( | 17:34 |
| Sicelo | btw, has someone tried putting in proper linux on the Jolla? | 17:35 |
| bencoh | I think you'll have gfx issues | 17:36 |
| bencoh | havent tried though (I dont have one anyway) | 17:36 |
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| panjgoori | its been very very long time that i have visited IRC | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | IRC happens | 18:42 |
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| KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/pkXXp.png | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | sweet | 18:47 |
| KotCzarny | RFC 1149.5-compliant | 18:48 |
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| KotCzarny | http://i.imgur.com/dYBHApq.jpg | 20:29 |
| KotCzarny | remember 12/99 | 20:29 |
| zGrr | put proper linux on jolla? not that easy | 20:30 |
| zGrr | actually, I meant putting proper linux on Tesco Hudl2 tablet. | 20:30 |
| KotCzarny | nonbrands are even worse | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | as fewer people have/hack at them | 20:31 |
| zGrr | Tesco Hudl2 is great low-cost tablet that runs on Atom. | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | if it has worry-free rescue, hack it | 20:32 |
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| zGrr | there are some problems with it relating to Hudl's UEFI implementation. | 20:32 |
| zGrr | we'll see how open jolla's tablet is going to be. | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | i would bet on neo900 more | 20:34 |
| zGrr | yes | 20:34 |
| zGrr | still two more months to wait for the jolla tablet. | 20:34 |
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| zGrr | KotCzarny: it is hard to bet on anything. | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | i has n900 | 20:44 |
| KotCzarny | and until it breakes into pieces, im not changing it | 20:44 |
| zGrr | n900 is still my primary mobile phone. | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | same | 20:47 |
| zGrr | The only (sort of) modern handheld, I know of is OQO. Unfortunately it has obscene price. | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | and because of oscp n900 got a one level better | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | it's really nice to be able to control music from the bed via phone | 20:48 |
| KotCzarny | no need for laptop, getting up or anything | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | i have 10watt 200mhz machine with 160gb harddrive tuckered near stereo system | 20:49 |
| KotCzarny | quiet, tiny, lowpower | 20:49 |
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| zGrr | Last year i bought low power PC - pentium 500 mmx, 256mb ram, 4gb ssd. *NEW* and still being produced. | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | that one is neoware ca5 | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | 128mb of ram is PLENTY | 20:51 |
| kerio | wut | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | that is, if you dont use x | 20:53 |
| kerio | is a pentium 500 mmx a pentium 1 | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 20:53 |
| KotCzarny | there was a pentium without mmx | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | i think it maxed at 266 or 300 | 20:54 |
| zGrr | actually it is what was called cyrix in old days. | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | mine has sis cpu | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | slow as hell | 20:55 |
| kerio | i really doubt that a pentium mmx is low power | 20:55 |
| zGrr | it is still manufactured under a name of AMD Geode LX. | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | but plays all music formats without a glitch | 20:55 |
| zGrr | they have improved litographic process + added crypto coprocessor. | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, try my oscp on it | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | i have a compile for pentium mmx class | 20:56 |
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| zGrr | the 500mhz cpu is consuming 0.9W | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | zgrr, cpu is one thing, i said whole box eats 10W | 20:57 |
| zGrr | it does not require a fan and not even radiator. | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | peaks at 12 | 20:57 |
| zGrr | http://pcengines.ch | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/neoware/CA5/ | 20:58 |
| KotCzarny | this one is mine | 20:58 |
| kerio | https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/ | 20:58 |
| zGrr | poisoned apples? :) | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | and what would you do with it? | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | watch redtube? | 21:00 |
| zGrr | run pfsense on it. | 21:00 |
| * KotCzarny laughs at 'acoustic level under load' | 21:00 | |
| KotCzarny | kerio, no fans | 21:00 |
| KotCzarny | fans make noise | 21:01 |
| KotCzarny | such machine is unsuitable as a music player | 21:01 |
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