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| KotCzarny | vajb: thx, will take a look | 10:31 |
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| phlixi | good morning :-) | 10:56 |
| phlixi | recently i spoke with a friend about "the good old n900", and i wanted to show him | 10:56 |
| phlixi | thus i put it out of the drawer and now email does not seem to work any longer | 10:57 |
| phlixi | is this some comon thing? | 10:57 |
| KotCzarny | well, i dont use app based email only via browser, but may i interest you in my audio player? | 10:58 |
| phlixi | i have two df.eu accounts and one strato account, both do no longer download emails (imap) and both cannot be used for sending | 10:58 |
| phlixi | when trying to send it just says "fehler" (english "error") besides the mail in the "post ausgang" (I guess psomething like "outbox"?) | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | unless df.eu changed something (maybe expired certs?) | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | or maybe they have changed ports/protocols | 10:59 |
| phlixi | pretty sure they dont, | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | check just in case | 10:59 |
| phlixi | at least strato didnt | 10:59 |
| KotCzarny | also, try updating to cssu | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | as that's what's currently most updated (system wise) | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said, check if they have chenged config (imap/smtp settings) | 11:01 |
| phlixi | its along time ago when i actually used the n900... in settings => product info it says version: 21.2011.28-1 | 11:02 |
| phlixi | i compared email settings to those on thunderbird, they seem to be the same | 11:02 |
| phlixi | but i can imagine, that they might no onger accept ssl3.0 and that thunderbird uses tls 1.2 instead or the like... | 11:03 |
| phlixi | (without having me changing it... just due to updates) | 11:03 |
| phlixi | is this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU where i start? | 11:04 |
| phlixi | yeah, looks like the place to start... | 11:06 |
| phlixi | thanks KotCzarny ;-) | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | np | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | and remember about oscp | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | (my audio player, multiplatform, core-remote design) | 11:07 |
| phlixi | i do not think i will use media on the device at all | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | see core-remote part | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | you can install core on htpc connected to your hifi and control it from n900 | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | (or vice versa) | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | but that's assuming you listen to music at all | 11:08 |
| phlixi | actually rarely | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | it can play videos as well, so you can think of it as a video remote too | 11:09 |
| phlixi | sometimes, and then it comes off of gpodder :-) | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: ~beasttweaks ;) | 14:29 |
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| scottc | ~besttweaks | 15:29 |
| scottc | ~beasttweaks | 15:29 |
| infobot_ | from memory, beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts | 15:29 |
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| bencoh | this should go here as well | 15:42 |
| bencoh | downloads.maemo.nokia.com issues: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d422f4c29 | 15:43 |
| bencoh | does it work for anyone ? | 15:43 |
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| bencoh | kerio: do you have a backup of /ovi/ ? | 15:54 |
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| bencoh | using the old (akamai) ip address (23.205.83.189) doesnt give anything :/ | 16:00 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 17:47 |
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| fishbulb | hey i'd like to get bluemaemo working | 18:40 |
| fishbulb | so i can use my favourite little keyboard with an andrid tablet | 18:40 |
| fishbulb | it has never worked as a keyboard mouse type thing. i would have thought it used the touchscreen for mouse and keyboard for typing, but i get a useless onscreen keyboard worse than any android one. | 18:42 |
| * Sicelo has never had to use it .. but seems most people are struggling to get it to work | 18:45 | |
| Vajb | works fine | 18:49 |
| Vajb | fishbulb: search for bluemaemo in maemo.org there is instructions | 18:50 |
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| Sicelo | wow, nice | 19:02 |
| Vajb | Sicelo: got it to work too? :) | 19:04 |
| Sicelo | no. i have no use for it at this time. but happy that it still works. we had someone here past few weeks who struggled .. i don't remember who | 19:08 |
| Vajb | me either, but i remember trying to help him too | 19:10 |
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| hariainm | hi | 19:44 |
| hariainm | TMO is been spammed right now | 19:44 |
| hariainm | is there any mod here? | 19:45 |
| hariainm | nevermind, everything ok now | 19:46 |
| hariainm | := | 19:46 |
| hariainm | :) | 19:46 |
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| M4rtinK | new modRana is out: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1466493#post1466493 | 21:03 |
| M4rtinK | map display should be improved quite a bit on the N900, especially for overlays | 21:04 |
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| totalizator | why my thread at TMO is tagged "spyware" and "telescam" and I can't remove them? | 21:07 |
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| scottc | looks like it was done by an angry user with 1 post | 21:14 |
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| neal | The nokia repos are no longer available. Is there a mirror somewhere? | 21:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: hi o/ thx for the update to modRana :) | 21:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Downloading the latest for N900 and my desktop now... | 21:57 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: note that the Fedora package repository COPR is not yet updated | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: but just cloning the release tag should work fine :) | 22:07 |
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| sla_erick | is anyone still alive? | 22:41 |
| sla_erick | ~tabletsdev | 22:41 |
| infobot_ | methinks tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev , http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads | 22:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | err yer. | 22:42 |
| sla_erick | ooh I see that there are some images still up :) | 22:42 |
| sla_erick | does that means that I can still develop for the n900? | 22:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sla_erick: yes | 22:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~sb | 22:43 |
| infobot_ | extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 22:43 |
| sla_erick | sixwheeledbeast so the fastest way is to download the image: "Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z" ?? | 22:44 |
| sla_erick | sorry for the stupid question, but is it ready to go? to start writing an example app for the n900? | 22:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ready to go in what way? | 22:47 |
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| M4rtinK | I'm actually also looking for a working N900 devel environment | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | autobuilder is fine for building modRana packages, but I'd like to try building some libs and I need a working SDK for that :) | 22:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have a few questions/ideas on modRana if your not busy | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: sure, go ahead :) | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | k let me find the notes file I had... | 22:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: ok for starters, how can I update my tiles, say if OSM data has been updated? | 22:55 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: using batch download - you can tell it to only download tiles you already have | 22:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Redownload? | 22:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | on? | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | I think :D | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | I'm trying to remember what "update" does | 22:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well i tried update and on so I am not sure. | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | I think I remembered | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | update - only download tiles you already have | 22:58 |
| M4rtinK | ON -> download all tiles in the area, even those you already have | 22:58 |
| M4rtinK | I really need to document this somewhere :) | 22:58 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: That makes sense but I have edited OSM and update or on has not resulted in new tiles? | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | if you see the updated tiles in browser | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | modRana should download them | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | with update or ON | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | keep in mind it downloads the base layer if you have map overlay enabled | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | or the current layer if overlay is not enabled | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well let me check mapnik on browser again, I know this takes time to update at OSM | 23:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: there are changes in the browser that are not updating on N900. | 23:03 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: that's weird | 23:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: ok well I'll come back to that. | 23:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: One useful feature for me would be a "clear" button on the main map GUI, to clear away ANY routes or searches from the screen, without poking through nested windows to clear different things. | 23:07 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, the current ways of doing that are not ideal | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: but I wonder where it should be placed | 23:11 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: as the screen is already quite cluttered, especially when routing | 23:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Well, bottom right? | 23:12 |
| M4rtinK | that's where the routing buttons are | 23:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | only while routing or search is active? | 23:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Adjacent the route tools button? Where edit would be | 23:13 |
| M4rtinK | I'm thinking about adding a top level menu called Map | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | that would have easy access to switching map layers | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | and could also have a "clear map" button | 23:14 |
| M4rtinK | would still be 3 clicks though, but it would be more consistent than the current state | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | I think those two could be combined - have a Map->clear map button in the menu by default | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | and an optional maps screen button that could be enabled from options | 23:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: sounds good | 23:18 |
| M4rtinK | could even be combined with the route buttons when they are displayed to save space | 23:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | although top level menu is getting busy only one space left. | 23:19 |
| M4rtinK | well, the menus can be multipage :) | 23:20 |
| M4rtinK | but that really should be avoided for the toplevel one :) | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Then again Route, POI and Search could be merged nicer IMO. | 23:22 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, I'm thinking about merging some of them | 23:22 |
| M4rtinK | at least "tracklogs" and "log a track" | 23:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: agreed there | 23:23 |
| M4rtinK | should be under "tracklogs" as "list tracklogs" and "record tracklog" | 23:23 |
| M4rtinK | maybe others later | 23:24 |
| M4rtinK | I was also thinking about giving some order to the toplevel menu items | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | but don't want to destroy peoples muscle memory :) | 23:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | hmm M4rtinK sorry internet issues. | 23:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I would say a "Navigate", "Mode", "Search", "Clear All", "Options", "Download", "Tracks", "Info" and "Exit" would cover all. | 23:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I mean there are two POI menus already too, on the top level and the options level. | 23:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can understand Options level, Navigate Level and Search Level but not top level too, IMO. | 23:35 |
| M4rtinK | well, almost anything has an options menu | 23:37 |
| M4rtinK | but having a navigate menu that contains route & poi items could work :) | 23:37 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I think so. :) | 23:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Ok next question is themes? How easy is it to add one? Could you put an Orange one in to match "Digital Nature" N900 theme? | 23:45 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: made a note how the top level menu reorganization could look like: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/issues/89 | 23:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: it's basically just a single configuration file & bunch of images | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: I think you can easily do a new theme :) | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | more or less | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | cd /opt/modrana/themes | 23:49 |
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| M4rtinK | cp night orange | 23:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: So what's to stop the images being the same and the colours changing via a GUI? Example: Theme > Silica > Select Colour? | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | and start tweaking the theme.conf | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | that would work in principle | 23:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I have made a Orange theme on my desktop version, editing all the "red" items in theme.conf to "orange" | 23:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Theme to me equals layout not colour if that makes sense? | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | nice :) | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | well, it's pretty much just color definitions in modRanas case | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, it should be possible to package modRana themes as individual packages :) | 23:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So maybe a few themes with basic colour picker options would be good. This would save the need for theme packages. | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | there even already is one, but I'm not sure if it actually still works | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | two things are needed for that | 23:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | IMO theme packages clutter the repos. | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | a UI for changing the colors | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | and a way of making the changes persistent | 23:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | But I can see the reason behind them | 23:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 23:54 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, people should have the option of installing them | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | so that apps don't have to bundle everything by default | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | another issue with the persistence is, that the theme files are read-only at runtime | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | as they are installed at package installation time | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | so some sort of override would need to be supported in a user writable folder | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | that would be used when people start fiddling with the colors | 23:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: but you can make a new theme and restart modRana then use it? | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yep, that's already possible | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | ...I think :) | 23:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well that's what I did on the desktop anyway, I didn't want to play with my N900 .conf files. | 23:59 |
| M4rtinK | yep, just did it on my N900 | 23:59 |
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