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| Vajb | bencoh: earlier it calibrated just fine, without disabling anything | 00:57 |
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| KotCzarny | yawn | 09:25 |
| KotCzarny | most people who try oscp say it's great, but only 4 actually voted | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | one user said 'where is media library' but then when he actually learned how to used said 'it's great' | 09:26 |
| KotCzarny | pity there is no install stats | 09:28 |
| Sicelo | :) | 09:38 |
| Sicelo | yappri is taking all the attention | 09:38 |
| KotCzarny | not mine | 09:39 |
| KotCzarny | also, 12000 views is not 'lack of attention' | 09:39 |
| Sicelo | i'd like to bet Yappari has by far more | 09:39 |
| Sicelo | but | 09:40 |
| Sicelo | how many votes needed to promote oscp furhter? | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | 6 | 09:40 |
| KotCzarny | as for 'views' yappari appeared in 2012 | 09:41 |
| KotCzarny | oscp appeared just month ago | 09:41 |
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| Sicelo | maybe i should test it out on my 2nd N900 | 09:58 |
| KotCzarny | you can test it even on pc | 09:59 |
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| Sicelo | Vajb: yes, you can get calibration without shutting down bme. but bencoh is correct that the best, quickest way is to shutdown bme. | 10:03 |
| Entertained | calibration is overrated | 10:08 |
| Entertained | use pseudo defined dynamically linked models instead | 10:09 |
| Entertained | they allow for a scalable approach to bme supervision control and data acquisitioning | 10:09 |
| Entertained | KotCzarny, do you concur? | 10:12 |
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| kerio | Entertained: but are they web scale? | 11:06 |
| Entertained | kerio, no they are cluster oriented cloud optimized dingleflops | 11:10 |
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| Vajb | k disabled two modules now to get proper calibration | 11:27 |
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| bencoh | Vajb: which ones ? | 11:45 |
| Vajb | bq27x00 and rx51 as suggested by estel in one thread | 11:59 |
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| Vajb | hmm im still getting battery almost empty notifys.. | 13:13 |
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| Vajb | can safely announce that it didn't work | 13:33 |
| KotCzarny | exploded? | 13:33 |
| Vajb | still uncalibrated | 13:33 |
| Vajb | got 3303 when it said recharge and shut down | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | what are you calibrating? | 13:34 |
| Vajb | guess i'll just leave it be | 13:34 |
| KotCzarny | battery circuit or some software? | 13:35 |
| Vajb | my battery | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | grab external charger? | 13:35 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried charging it in stock fremantle n900? | 13:35 |
| Vajb | it loads just fine | 13:35 |
| Vajb | it just want bme replacement to show somewhat correct readings | 13:36 |
| bencoh | Vajb: what about disabling bme ? :p | 13:36 |
| Vajb | bencoh: isn't that what i did? | 13:36 |
| bencoh | unless you did "stop bme", probably not | 13:36 |
| Vajb | bencoh: modprobe -r bq27x00 and rx51 is what i did | 13:37 |
| Vajb | thread didn't say anything about stop bme | 13:37 |
| Vajb | well will see what happens when i got mugen battery | 13:38 |
| Vajb | till that i'll say fck it :) | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | pop it into stock fremantle and cycle 1-2 times | 13:38 |
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| ceene | KotCzarny Sicelo: people send me mails asking trivial questions about yappari but they still don't vote to promote latest versions, so to be honest... i don't know what's worse | 13:39 |
| Vajb | would have to install that first... | 13:39 |
| ceene | i'll try oscp this afternoon :) | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | heh | 13:39 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i say current 'extras' system is broken | 13:39 |
| ceene | i don't know if it's the system or the people... | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | people are lazy | 13:40 |
| ceene | 5 or 6 votes isn't much to ask | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | and always were | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | 'testing' is a good idea, but when there are no professional testers | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | it's just not working | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:41 |
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| ceene | well, that's true: people write me to send them .deb file even when it's linked three times on the first post | 13:41 |
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| ceene | so... yes, people are lazy | 13:41 |
| ceene | maybe one or two testers per project could be the ones to vote and promote | 13:42 |
| ceene | i could count with one or two people to thoroughly test new releases | 13:42 |
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| KotCzarny | ceene, i would say that karma system + 'once it hits extras it's up to developer to decide which packages to promote' | 13:43 |
| ceene | that'd be fine too, probably | 13:44 |
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| M4rtinK | the Extras promotion system is not exactly user firendly | 14:00 |
| M4rtinK | it is kinda hidden | 14:00 |
| M4rtinK | and needs to be done in a browser | 14:00 |
| M4rtinK | needs a Maemo account, etc. | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | m4rtink: you missed the issue | 14:01 |
| M4rtinK | it would be much better if it at least was doable from the application manager | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | i put link to vote in my sig | 14:01 |
| KotCzarny | yet, only 4 people voted | 14:01 |
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| M4rtinK | 4 is actually good | 14:03 |
| M4rtinK | :) | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | not good enough to promote a package | 14:03 |
| M4rtinK | I usually have to ask people on IRC | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | and voting from pkg manager is as good as dropping voting completely, one could simply install 10 scratchboxes | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | right? | 14:04 |
| M4rtinK | I'm not saying drop the account requirement | 14:07 |
| M4rtinK | but make it possible to vote from package manager with account | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | not going to work, see 'people are lazy' | 14:07 |
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| M4rtinK | would make it much easier to test & vote | 14:08 |
| M4rtinK | so it would be more likely people would test | 14:08 |
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| Wizzup | is it possible to use the n900 without battery (just an external power supply), does not necessarily have to be over the usb port | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | or was it n800, hum | 14:19 |
| kerio | Wizzup: well | 14:23 |
| kerio | attach a fake battery to the battery pins | 14:23 |
| bencoh | 3.7V power supply | 14:27 |
| bencoh | and a resistor for bsi | 14:27 |
| Wizzup | ack | 14:30 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: it also doesn't help non-free needs 10 votes | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, system was ok when there were assigned testers, now it's just broken | 17:07 |
| M4rtinK | and as already state - it is rather cumbersome | 17:28 |
| M4rtinK | *stated | 17:28 |
| M4rtinK | and I think also not very known | 17:28 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: iirc it was the same for free, but got relaxed | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | I guess we could do it for non-free as well | 17:29 |
| freemangordon | just pester merlin1991 | 17:29 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, in Fedora there is something similar | 18:06 |
| M4rtinK | called Bodhi | 18:06 |
| M4rtinK | packages also need karma | 18:07 |
| M4rtinK | but are automatically promoted after a while even if they don't get any | 18:07 |
| KotCzarny | fedora has much bigger user base | 18:07 |
| RicoSuave | https://forums.unvanquished.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1726 | 18:07 |
| M4rtinK | it also helps that there is a unified Fedora Account System | 18:08 |
| M4rtinK | and all contributors thus have a FAS account they can use to test and give karma | 18:08 |
| M4rtinK | but even then there are issues | 18:08 |
| M4rtinK | I'm maintaining a tool tat runs on first startup and it is rather tricky to test on a normal system | 18:09 |
| M4rtinK | so I quite often need to ask "proven packagers" that can override the karma requirements to promote it to stable manually | 18:09 |
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| KotCzarny | wow, 5th vote | 18:34 |
| ceene | that's mine :) | 18:35 |
| ceene | i've played a bit with oscp both on n900 and on the computer | 18:35 |
| ceene | and i quite like it | 18:35 |
| ceene | and seems to work okay | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | you are 'agamez' ? | 18:35 |
| ceene | yes i am | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | weird tmo shows you as ceene when viewing users | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | thanks anyway :) | 18:36 |
| ceene | yes... on garage.maemo.org i'm agamez | 18:36 |
| ceene | but on the forum i registered as ceene | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | also, if you find any bugs, missing features or just want to say it's great post to tmo | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | or write here | 18:37 |
| ceene | i have a question, though | 18:37 |
| ceene | that maybe has been answered already | 18:37 |
| ceene | but i don't know what the three buttons on the right side bottom mean | 18:37 |
| ceene | on oscp-remote | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | which ones? | 18:37 |
| RicoSuave | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKxtrSqI34 | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | have you read the help that popup on the first run? | 18:37 |
| RicoSuave | ^^ | 18:37 |
| ceene | VSR | 18:37 |
| ceene | hehe | 18:37 |
| ceene | maybe not :P | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | see the help | 18:38 |
| ceene | vids/shuffle/repeat | 18:38 |
| ceene | cool | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | seriously, it's a must to describe what oscp is, what it can do | 18:38 |
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| ceene | i still don't know what vids stands for | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | see the help | 18:38 |
| ceene | hehe | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | it's not that long, just please read it | 18:38 |
| ceene | ok, sorry :) | 18:38 |
| ceene | people are lazy, remember! | 18:38 |
| KotCzarny | i know, i'm lazy too | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i wrote that help popup | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 18:39 |
| ceene | very nice | 18:40 |
| KotCzarny | it's mainly an audio player | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | vids are here just because it was easy to add | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | and actually can extend oscp functionality | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | (ie. you can control pc core playing on tv from n900) | 18:41 |
| KotCzarny | or vice versa | 18:41 |
| ceene | i like that very much | 18:42 |
| ceene | i have a little x86 machine connected to my tv | 18:42 |
| ceene | and was thinking of connecting it directly to the amps | 18:42 |
| ceene | xbmc is too much for my poor little machine | 18:42 |
| ceene | so oscp is now a real candidate :) | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | i have 200mhz vortex86 machine as my audio player ;) | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | i think 32mb of ram is enough to run bare bones linux and oscp | 18:43 |
| ceene | one thing I don't like quite much is the use of the volume buttons | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | on n900? | 18:44 |
| ceene | i keep pushing them to lower the volumne and the song skips | 18:44 |
| ceene | yes | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | i did it on purpose | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | but it's very easy for you to 'fix' | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | as the remote is pygtk | 18:44 |
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| KotCzarny | look for: n900: hw | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | and change self.next to self.volI(None,None) | 18:49 |
| ceene | cool, thanks! | 18:49 |
| KotCzarny | same for the other one too | 18:50 |
| KotCzarny | ie. self.prev to self.volD | 18:50 |
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| ceene | testing right now | 18:51 |
| ceene | much better now, thanks! | 18:52 |
| RicoSuave | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKxtrSqI34 | 18:52 |
| RicoSuave | will that run on maemo | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | i might add an option for it | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | ie. to select vol keys function | 18:52 |
| KotCzarny | TODO'ed | 18:52 |
| ceene | i still find however lowest volume to be too loud | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | it jumps 3 notches | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | but system menu is just above | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | and on n900 oscp actually does soft vol | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | so changing volume in oscp doesn't change system vol in any way | 18:54 |
| ceene | i see | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | pulseaudio should die in a fire | 18:54 |
| ceene | i can get out of oscp-remote and modify phone volume with the buttons | 18:54 |
| ceene | yep, and we shall dance around it | 18:55 |
| KotCzarny | if you don't do fullscreen then system tray (with volume) is just at the top | 18:55 |
| ceene | uh, i always forget about the volume slider there | 18:56 |
| ceene | i most usually use the buttons | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | if you don't want oscp to touch hw vol buttons you can disable it | 18:56 |
| ceene | i'm not quite sure of what i want, to be honest | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | at the very end of the file is: self.sbus.add_signal_receiver(self.handle_hsb... | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | just comment that line | 18:57 |
| ceene | winamps skins work on n900? | 18:58 |
| KotCzarny | on n900 no, but on oscp-remote, yes | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94727 | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | grab the pack from here | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | pressing clutterbar loads random skin from predefined list | 19:00 |
| ceene | 1.1gb of skins :O | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | you can repack it on pc | 19:00 |
| KotCzarny | you can remove .wal ones | 19:01 |
| KotCzarny | and it will go down to 500megs | 19:01 |
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| ceene | oh, the ncurses interface is pretty | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | and it's pretty convenient to use with one hand ;) | 19:04 |
| ceene | is it normal for pulseaudio to take so much cpu? | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | pulseaudio should die in a fire | 19:06 |
| KotCzarny | especially the one implemented on n900 | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | on pc when i pause, it doesn't generate any interrupts, just waits for data | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | on n900 pause state doesn't stop pulseaudio madness.. | 19:07 |
| RicoSuave | https://github.com/Unvanquished/Unvanquished | 19:07 |
| ceene | :( | 19:07 |
| ceene | i always purge it out of my debian systems | 19:08 |
| ceene | i still don't know what purpose it serves, usually my audio works better when it's not running at all | 19:08 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | it's evil | 19:09 |
| bencoh | ceene: audio policy routing with multiple inputs/outputs | 19:09 |
| ceene | i guess we can't do the same on n900 | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | well, you could, but using alsa directly on n900 can damage the internal speakers | 19:09 |
| KotCzarny | but if you use headphones or connect it to hifi, you dont have to worry | 19:10 |
| ceene | that doesn't sound very good either | 19:10 |
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| KotCzarny | ceene, if you want to play internet streams just put links into .m3u file | 19:17 |
| ceene | cool | 19:19 |
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| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1461456&postcount=46 | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | here is a pack stolen from screamerradio | 19:24 |
| KotCzarny | some work, some dont | 19:26 |
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