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| bencoh | and we have bundle updates | 00:16 |
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| Sc0rpius | but who uses that | 02:57 |
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| kerio | i really don't know why they decided to not go for the usual debian ca-certificates setup | 08:19 |
| KotCzarny | because.. reasons! | 08:20 |
| PissnOffToolsEvr | KotCzarny, because... whalepie! | 08:23 |
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| KotCzarny | kerio, why not just add them from debian? package should be arch independent | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | and software as openssl/gnutls could use it | 08:27 |
| PissnOffToolsEvr | KotCzarny, but that would lead to no whale pie | 08:27 |
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| newbieAlert | hey how can we get list of free LBA ?? | 11:35 |
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| KotCzarny | what's lba? | 11:38 |
| bencoh | you ... cant, I guess | 11:39 |
| bencoh | ask your fs (?) | 11:39 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: its ext4 | 11:44 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: its Logical Block Address | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | newbiealert: then use debug2fs to print them | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | for ext2/3/4 | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | for fat i dont know | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | debugfs i mean | 11:48 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: Actually m trying to put all teh frequently used files, sequentially according to LBA .. copying files to a new location will get them a sequential LBAs ( idk but its still not *exactly* sequential, some of the LBAs are reserved kindof, maybe for file inmcrement ). | 11:48 |
| KotCzarny | newbiealert.. don't | 11:48 |
| bencoh | newbieAlert: to avoid defrag, maybe | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | it could have some meaning for regular hdd, for flash, dont mess with it | 11:49 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: yeah thtas the reason. | 11:49 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: I am not overwriting the LBAs. Copying a file to a new location is a safe procedure i guess. For i change i wanted to copy a file to a specific LBA and for taht i needed free LBAs. | 11:50 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: yeah.. thats to avoid defrag. | 11:51 |
| bencoh | why are you doing this ? | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | because of weird idea he has | 11:51 |
| KotCzarny | that defragging flash would result in noticeable gains | 11:52 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: I dont have flash. Using Hdd. Sequential LBA should be read faster than distributed ones. | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, so it's not n900 related? | 11:53 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Nope. Just a doubt.. I ofn think flash is affected by frag that much . Is it ?? | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | but remember that when os loads it reads more than one file at a time | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | flash is mostly affected during writes | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | but for reads it doesnt matter much | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | but if it's a pc, just run some livecd, copy files somewhere safe, format, copy them back | 11:55 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: It reads more blocks near the current one. Its not necessary that the read block is desired by the user. So if the most frequently used files are near each other, there is more probablility of rading righ tfiles. | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | it would create nicely defragmented files | 11:55 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: SO defragging a flash will help improving performance ? | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | at least till the next apt-get update/upgrade | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | newbiealert: not really | 11:56 |
| bencoh | 10:56 < KotCzarny> at least till the next apt-get update/upgrade | 11:56 |
| bencoh | +1 | 11:56 |
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| bencoh | your neat-and-tidy situation probably wont last long on a daily-used system | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | unless your /home is on separate partition | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | and /var /tmp | 11:57 |
| bencoh | then the problem would be your /home :) | 11:57 |
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| KotCzarny | still, i haven't defragged my hdd even once | 11:58 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: Yeah i know. :/ | 11:58 |
| bencoh | anyway, if you're talking about a recent/decent laptop/desktop, most of your open files/libraries are in cache | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | though i have changed drives few times, but then again, updates usually mess it again | 11:58 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: same here ... on *nix at least | 11:58 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: yep /home is on seperate partition and the files used are usuall config files. | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | but as i said,don't bother ext3/4 has internal defrag algos | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | ie. has separate zones for small/big files | 11:59 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: yes. They are cache dafter being read. | 11:59 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Got it :) | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | If fragmentation does occur, the file system will attempt to move the files around to reduce fragmentation in normal use, without the need for a defragmentation utility | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | so just keep at least 10-20% of your fs free | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | and don't worry | 12:01 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: until disk is nearly full :P | 12:01 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: thanks .. | 12:01 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: Thanks. | 12:01 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: btw, i saw your post in tmo. How come your N900 lasts for 6-7 days ?? | 12:02 |
| newbieAlert | mine one dies in 24 hrs. :/ | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | i barely use it | 12:02 |
| bencoh | :] | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | mostly for calls (rare anyway) | 12:02 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: oh.. :D You had me scared. | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:03 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: bencoh : hey sorry for bothering too much, last for the time being, there was this thread for changing hildon to blackbox. Anyone managed to do it correctly after that ?? Thread died years ago. | 12:04 |
| KotCzarny | i haven't tried | 12:05 |
| newbieAlert | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58090 | 12:06 |
| bencoh | looking at the thread, I doubt it would feel better | 12:08 |
| bencoh | honestly | 12:08 |
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| honestly | WHO DARES SUMMON ME | 12:09 |
| bencoh | haha | 12:09 |
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| newbieAlert | bencoh: yeah .. i was just wondering. Whenever the phone is in use, hildon-desktop takes 3-4% of CPU normally and much more sometimes. | 12:10 |
| andril | hello | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | newbiealert: do you have any widgets or changing icons? | 12:10 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: those should show as hildon-home | 12:11 |
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| bencoh | newbieAlert: it doesnt show that much here | 12:11 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Not amything that changes . just a QBW to have for changing swap, one to view pictures from YAppari in feh and a phone shortcut. | 12:11 |
| bencoh | newbieAlert: apart from when I swich window | 12:12 |
| bencoh | but with transitions ... what would you expect ? :) | 12:12 |
| andril | any n9 users here? | 12:12 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: Switch between apps and top , hildon-desktop should hit 3-4% | 12:13 |
| bencoh | yeah | 12:13 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: YEah.Opened menu (catorise) and subemnu and switched to top.. H-d 11% :/ | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | disable eyecandies | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | then try again | 12:15 |
| bencoh | there is a "fast" transitions.ini around in tmo | 12:15 |
| bencoh | (actually there are lots of them ... just double check the syntax, and backup yours) | 12:16 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: thats what is use. | 12:16 |
| bencoh | oh | 12:16 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: CSSU tuner && themecustomizer provide the option. | 12:16 |
| bencoh | hmm | 12:16 |
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| newbieAlert | bencoh: ANd my fapman is not updating catalogues. log : Conflicting distribution repo...fremantle-1.3 && few GPG erroe && failed to fetch extras-devel Hash Sum mismatch. | 12:20 |
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| KotCzarny | another (un)happy user of -devel? | 12:21 |
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| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Idk it was working fine till 2 days before. | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | what are your repos? | 12:22 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Fapman : extras, extars-devel fremantle ssu mr00 freamtle ssu apps cssu community-thunm cssu devel community-testing | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 12:24 |
| newbieAlert | and /etc/apt/sources.list is empty. | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | pastebin output of apt-get update | 12:25 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: I didn change default repos of fapman. except bloakced OVI. | 12:25 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Let me install it. | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | install what? | 12:26 |
| newbieAlert | pastebinit. | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | ssh onto device, then just copypaste with your mouse? | 12:27 |
| bencoh | ~fapman | 12:28 |
| infobot | from memory, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam | 12:28 |
| bencoh | ~speedyHAM | 12:28 |
| infobot | speedyham is probably 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 12:28 |
| bencoh | I tought as much | 12:29 |
| bencoh | thought* | 12:29 |
| bencoh | newbieAlert: dunno the answer to your question, but ... :p | 12:29 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: I didnot upgrade anything from fapman. it was fine like 2 days ago. I needed abiword, then found fapman not working. used apt. | 12:29 |
| bencoh | anyway, I'd just not use fapman :) | 12:30 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: thanks for help :P didn know about speedyham. | 12:30 |
| bencoh | I thought it was in cssu-testing though, now | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: autoremove is evil | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | especially if you add/remove repos | 12:31 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: precisely | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | when i was playing with debian testing it got confused and tried to remove core packages | 12:31 |
| bencoh | hm, right, speedyHAM is in cssu-testing (T10) | 12:31 |
| bencoh | andril: did you try #harmattan ? | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | btw. solar eclipse tomorrow in north-west eu | 12:32 |
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| newbieAlert_ | onflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got ) | 12:34 |
| newbieAlert_ | Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 | 12:34 |
| newbieAlert_ | sorry, dont have ssh installed too :P and pastebin didn work. | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | no ssh? fix that | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | it's ESSENTIAL | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:34 |
| newbieAlert_ | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.3/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it was failed download | 12:35 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny AYe AYe sir :) | 12:35 |
| newbieAlert_ | rr https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release | 12:36 |
| newbieAlert_ | thats err. | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | change fremantle-1.3 to fremantle then apt-get update | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | for starters | 12:36 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: for devel only ?? | 12:37 |
| bencoh | hmm | 12:37 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Its in process... | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | if i remember correctly one without number is the current one | 12:37 |
| andril | yes thanks bencoh | 12:37 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Maybe.. but this setup worked till 2 days ago :/ | 12:37 |
| KotCzarny | if you change it will reget it | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | maybe error will go away | 12:38 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Changed in Fapman & its stuck | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | also, might be obvious, but check free space | 12:41 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: If it was not freamntle-1.3 , then sould not it give unable to fethc :L host unreachable than hash sum mismatch. | 12:42 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Root has 61 mb. | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | and /opt ? | 12:42 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: And thank you :P it worked :D :D | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:42 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: /opt is abpout 6 gb . | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, maybe it was failed download | 12:43 |
| newbieAlert | KotCzarny: Thnaks ... :) Done bothering you for the day.. Thank you :) :) | 12:43 |
| newbieAlert | bencoh: Thank you :) :) | 12:43 |
| newbieAlert | bye :) | 12:43 |
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| bencoh | amazing, speedyHAM actually works (when regular HAM doesnt) | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 12:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~speedyHAM | 14:52 |
| infobot | methinks speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 14:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | speedyHAM does rock | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | apt-* ftw! | 14:53 |
| bencoh | :) | 14:53 |
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| IcebergCoolz | can you run freertos on the n900 | 15:04 |
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| bencoh | infobot: uboot has been ported to beagleboard/omap3, so ... maybe | 15:17 |
| bencoh | erm, s/uboot/freertos/ | 15:17 |
| bencoh | (messed brainà | 15:17 |
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| Lord_Fark_II | maemo is gaymo | 17:05 |
| Lord_Fark_II | yay-o | 17:05 |
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| bencoh | ? | 17:36 |
| Lord_Fark_II | its orca speak; ask KotCzarny | 17:37 |
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| APic | Celebrate Mojoday! | 18:16 |
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| bencoh | :] | 18:19 |
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| Lord_Fark_II | whale pie and the infinite monkey | 18:33 |
| Lord_Fark_II | ! | 18:33 |
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| Lord_Fark_II | KotCzarny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY | 19:28 |
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| bencoh | now I can see why he got banned on sailfish chans :/ | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | troll is trolling | 19:30 |
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| KotCzarny | hrm | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | anyone here wrote audio eq ? | 20:50 |
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| KotCzarny | woo, it wooorks, muahahahaha | 22:02 |
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