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| infobot | it has been said that fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 00:07 |
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| erlehmann | porting task force! | 00:21 |
| erlehmann | Mika Niinistö wrote me | 00:31 |
| erlehmann | > I do remember that MUI did check for ”pending messages” in the beginning, fetched them, informed telepathy they have been ”seen” and then continued on listening to incoming messages. I think messages marked as ”scrollback” might’ve had some special meaning, and there’s some magic in trying to avoid duplicate messages. If the sending resource (handle of the sender) of the message was not available on the telepathy backend, I think the | 00:31 |
| erlehmann | message might’ve been ignored completely. But I’m not sure. | 00:31 |
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| erlehmann | merlin1991 Pali would you recompile telepathy with the „ignore messages coming directly from rooms“ part deleted? | 00:39 |
| Pali | if you provide patch I can try to play with it | 00:39 |
| erlehmann | Pali okay | 00:42 |
| erlehmann | wait | 00:42 |
| erlehmann | Pali i have patch here | 00:44 |
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| erlehmann | Pali http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/telepathy-gabble-unignore-muc-messages.patch | 00:46 |
| erlehmann | Pali can you apply patch? | 00:47 |
| erlehmann | deleted code is debugged code | 00:47 |
| erlehmann | i will look for more code that should be deleted | 00:47 |
| Pali | what your patch is doing? | 00:47 |
| Pali | can you provide more description (there is only "Unignore MUC messages") | 00:48 |
| erlehmann | the comment describes what the code is doing. it is ignoring messages deliberately that come from MUC. | 00:48 |
| erlehmann | so i removed that antifeature | 00:48 |
| Pali | why it is needed? | 00:49 |
| kong | when i connect to n900 using ssh the connection will freeze after a few minutes, is it possible to prevent? | 00:49 |
| erlehmann | Pali so telepathy does not filter useful messages | 00:49 |
| Pali | what are those messages? | 00:49 |
| erlehmann | let me debug! | 00:49 |
| erlehmann | wait i collect some | 00:49 |
| Pali | I still do not know what it is doing and why it is needed... | 00:50 |
| Pali | and why we should include it | 00:50 |
| erlehmann | Pali messages coming directly from the groupchat are filtered | 00:50 |
| erlehmann | like if a message comes from maemo@conference.ccc.de | 00:50 |
| erlehmann | it is not relayed by telepathy | 00:50 |
| Pali | they are normal chat messages? | 00:51 |
| erlehmann | this means for example you do not see topic messages! | 00:51 |
| erlehmann | they are <message … type='groupchat'> | 00:51 |
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| erlehmann | only they come directly from the room | 00:51 |
| erlehmann | and not from the occupants of the room | 00:51 |
| erlehmann | that means that on n900 i cannot see room topic | 00:52 |
| erlehmann | with my patch it will be possible! | 00:52 |
| Pali | http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#message | 00:53 |
| Pali | do you mean this ^^^ | 00:53 |
| Pali | "7.4 Sending a Message to All Occupants" | 00:53 |
| Pali | ? | 00:53 |
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| erlehmann | Pali no | 00:55 |
| erlehmann | Pali i mean messages FROM coven@chat.shakespeare.lit | 00:56 |
| erlehmann | not TO it | 00:56 |
| erlehmann | let me give you an example XML stanza | 00:57 |
| erlehmann | i am generating it now | 00:57 |
| Pali | ok | 00:57 |
| erlehmann | <message from='devel@conference.pidgin.im' to='erlehmann@jabber.ccc.de/Gajim' type='groupchat'> | 00:58 |
| erlehmann | <body>Dieser Raum ist nicht anonym</body> | 00:58 |
| erlehmann | <x xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/muc#user'> | 00:58 |
| erlehmann | <status code='100'/> | 00:58 |
| erlehmann | </x> | 00:58 |
| erlehmann | </message> | 00:58 |
| erlehmann | Pali this comes if you go to devel@conference.pidgin.im | 00:58 |
| erlehmann | it is mentioned in the source code | 00:58 |
| Pali | I found this: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#subject-mod | 00:59 |
| Pali | 8.1 Modifying the Room Subject | 00:59 |
| erlehmann | my jabber client warns me then that everyone can see my JID | 00:59 |
| erlehmann | but telepathy clients could never do that | 00:59 |
| erlehmann | because the message is filtered | 00:59 |
| Pali | so without your patch all messages with type "groupchat" are dropped? | 01:00 |
| erlehmann | no | 01:00 |
| erlehmann | all messages from the room itself are dropped. | 01:01 |
| erlehmann | but messages from occupants are not | 01:01 |
| erlehmann | so when you join the room devel@conference.pidgin.im with a telepathy client | 01:01 |
| erlehmann | you do not see „Dieser Raum ist nicht anonym“ | 01:01 |
| erlehmann | because it comes from devel@conference.pidgin.im | 01:01 |
| erlehmann | and not from devel@conference.pidgin.im/username | 01:01 |
| Pali | right, now I think I understand it (its 00:02 here) | 01:02 |
| Pali | I should go sleep... | 01:02 |
| erlehmann | <message from='devel@conference.pidgin.im' to='erlehmann@jabber.ccc.de/Gajim' type='groupchat'> | 01:03 |
| erlehmann | <subject>Pidgin, Finch, and libpurple development headquarters</subject> | 01:03 |
| erlehmann | <body>rekkanoryo hat das Thema geändert auf: Pidgin, Finch, and libpurple development headquarters</body> | 01:03 |
| erlehmann | </message> | 01:03 |
| erlehmann | <r xmlns='urn:xmpp:sm:2'/> | 01:03 |
| erlehmann | that is the thing you cannot see on n900 | 01:03 |
| erlehmann | Pali so will you merge it? | 01:03 |
| Pali | first I would like to know, why telepathy had disabled those messages? | 01:03 |
| Pali | ok, git commit d4d5a2f9 added that code | 01:04 |
| erlehmann | i think telepathy devs consider those messages useless | 01:05 |
| Pali | MUC: ignore non-error, non-echos from the MUC | 01:05 |
| Pali | (It's not clear that they ever contain useful information, and we previously suppressed them.) | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | but they are sent for a reason (e.g. so that everyone notices topic change) | 01:05 |
| Pali | commit message ^^^ | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | cargo culting | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | lel | 01:05 |
| Pali | do you know if this patch is still present in upstream telepathy-gabble? | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | commit d4d5a2f99eb5e1a2471662c09ff04aee865dde36 | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | Author: Will Thompson <will.thompson@collabora.co.uk> | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | Date: Wed Nov 12 11:31:15 2008 +0000 | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | i see | 01:05 |
| erlehmann | let me see | 01:05 |
| Pali | if that patch was reverted, I have no problem to revert it for maemo immediatelly | 01:06 |
| erlehmann | let me see | 01:06 |
| erlehmann | Pali if it was not reverted? | 01:07 |
| erlehmann | i browse tree | 01:08 |
| Pali | I would really like to know reason why it was added (probably it fixes some bug?) and if there are potential regressions with reverting it | 01:08 |
| Pali | ok, looks like that code is still in telepathy-gabble git... | 01:10 |
| Pali | erlehmann: I can revert that commit and push new version of telepathy-gabble to cssu-devel | 01:11 |
| Pali | but it needs more people to test that reverting that patch does not cause problems with other jabber parts... | 01:12 |
| Pali | erlehmann: Its in git: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/telepathy-gabble/commit/f5d37a5ddf21d0053b369bf59f5edebfe1c91ceb/diffs/08c7a9dae2fb55d67fc01ba90f1f3889393ef400 | 01:19 |
| erlehmann | great | 01:19 |
| erlehmann | deleted code is debugged code | 01:19 |
| Pali | please ping me back next day and I will upload new version to cssu-devel | 01:19 |
| erlehmann | i will try to remember it | 01:20 |
| Pali | now I'm going offline | 01:20 |
| Pali | (or you can ping anybody with upload rights to cssu-devel repo) | 01:20 |
| erlehmann | i will delete more useless code! | 01:20 |
| erlehmann | thank you | 01:20 |
| erlehmann | who is that | 01:20 |
| erlehmann | merlin1991 is it? | 01:20 |
| Pali | merlin1991 and also freemangordon | 01:22 |
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| erlehmann | okay | 01:22 |
| erlehmann | thank you | 01:22 |
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| erlehmann | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89253 | 02:19 |
| povbot | Bug 89253: was not found. | 02:19 |
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| kong | is there a way on nokia n900 to view youtube or facebook video? nothing good found on google | 02:38 |
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| dos1 | kong: there's cutetube for youtube | 02:41 |
| kong | not working for me! if i try to view video on cutetube it shows up "related videos" but never the video | 02:42 |
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| dos1 | hmm, I did have problems with it recently as well | 02:42 |
| dos1 | I guess something on youtube side changed and it needs newer version of youtube-dl | 02:43 |
| kong | I also thought | 02:44 |
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| kong | would be cool to view in browser, but slow | 02:44 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | kong: cutetube WFM, which version are you using? | 09:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | flash videos will not work in a browser, IIRC flash faker stopped working. QML Browser (all be it a bit buggy) will play html5 video. | 09:59 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mobile/releases/7.0.1/maemo5-gtk/en-US/ | 10:19 |
| KotCzarny | wonder if there is a way to take a source, then patch it up to higher releases | 10:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | KotCzarny: IIRC that was the last available version possible for some reason. | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | reason being nokia stopping support for n900? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | html5 webm was added in fx5 | 10:32 |
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| KotCzarny | does it mean it we can have youtub/html5 ? | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | gotta try it now | 10:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | KotCzarny: It wasn't nokia. I can't remember the details but the death and slowness of fennec spawned embedlite and alopex projects. | 10:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | fennec was very memory intensive and practically usable from version 2 | 10:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | it would be great if the issues were fixed with QML browser IMO. I would use it as my default browser then. | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | internet says that fx7 used half of the earlier versions memory | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Firefox#Version_7 | 10:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | KotCzarny: Fennec and Firefox are different. | 10:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_for_mobile As you can see Mozilla dropped support for fennec after 4, someone on TMO built 7.0.1 for Maemo. | 10:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | dropped Fennec support for Maemo, I should say. | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | hrm | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | it works | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | in a way | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | youtube detects webm support | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | but videos open in system player | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | still, works out of the box | 10:52 |
| Luke-Jr | does 7.0.1 work reasonably? or still too slow to use? | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | luke: depends | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | just try it | 10:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Luke-Jr: It's not usable IMO. 7.0.1 was the last version for Maemo | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | swb: still, you can browse youtube/watch videos without any hacking | 10:54 |
| Luke-Jr | hm, I currently appear to have 17.0a1 | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | luke, lol | 10:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Luke-Jr: thumb? | 10:54 |
| Luke-Jr | yes | 10:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | that's why | 10:55 |
| Luke-Jr | is 7.0 better? | 10:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | there are thumb bulds about too | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | i would say newer is better | 10:55 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: well, the 17 is entirely unusable | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | faster js etc | 10:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Luke-Jr: no the thumb version would be better | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | luke, you can install tar.bz2 version and run from some dir | 10:56 |
| KotCzarny | without interfering with installed one | 10:56 |
| Luke-Jr | :< | 10:56 |
| Luke-Jr | wish there was a browser that worked with Uber | 10:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I wouldn't bother IMO but if you like to experiment go for it. | 10:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I so wished fennec to work. I used it from version 1, but it's been unusable for so long. | 10:58 |
| KotCzarny | well, it's not that bad | 11:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88682 thumb build thread | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | i can live with a bit of slowness as long page renders and works | 11:00 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: I tried for 2 hours to call an Uber. | 11:00 |
| Luke-Jr | that is beyond slow | 11:00 |
| KotCzarny | i only browse web on n900 when i'm on-the-go | 11:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89506 alopex thread | 11:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~alopex | 11:00 |
| infobot | somebody said alopex was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329671 | 11:00 |
| Luke-Jr | yeah, usually when you want to call Uber, it's because you're on-the-go… :P | 11:01 |
| KotCzarny | would thumb build work on stock fremantle? | 11:01 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: no | 11:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | doh, infobot worked for a change :( | 11:01 |
| KotCzarny | luke: don't know what uber is | 11:01 |
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| KotCzarny | hehe | 11:01 |
| Luke-Jr | KotCzarny: cheap taxi | 11:01 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | bencoh: i have collected a few. I can't list them now but I'll definitely come back and ask about them in the next few days :) | 12:22 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | thanks | 12:22 |
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| kong | How can i change n900 default media player to KMPlayer? it just support most video formats not like the standard video player | 13:55 |
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| kong | kong you can change default applications in /usr/share/applications/defaults.list | 16:09 |
| kong | thx kong! | 16:09 |
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| Sicelo | kong: yes it's possible, BUT .. consider that the N900 has a DSP which KMPlayer cannot access/use. So when playing videos, you lose the benefit of the DSP as now everything must be handled by main CPU. | 16:36 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, some mplayer builds DO USE dsp | 16:36 |
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| Sicelo | oh, didn't know | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | at least they did in 2009 when i was playing with it | 16:37 |
| Sicelo | i have mplayer .. you know which build versions we're talking about? | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | don't know which kmplayer uses | 16:37 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mplayer/ | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | for diablo | 16:38 |
| * Sicelo is using SVN-r30099-4.2.1 on Maemo. | 16:39 | |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: you're talking about diablo? or you also tested on Maemo? (bear in mind i'm not saying you're wrong, but i need enlightenment:) | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | [root@Nokia-N800-43-7:/]# mplayer | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.29.n8x0 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | CPU: ARM | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | Internet Tablet OS version: RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 | 16:40 |
| KotCzarny | you can always grab it and check if it's better than the one you have | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | but i assume people managed to improve mplayer in fremantle | 16:42 |
| Sicelo | tbh i think most people have zero issues with stock player. there is OMP which is a FOSS gui front-end and is way nicer | 16:43 |
| Sicelo | ymmv | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | kmplayer most likely is just a gui for mplayer | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | which can have gui protocol compiled in | 16:43 |
| kong | i got in 1 of my movies fps loss but rest is well now | 16:44 |
| kong | much better then the no video codec message! | 16:45 |
| Sicelo | what format was the video? what codecs in use? | 16:45 |
| Sicelo | if it's public, a link will also help :) | 16:46 |
| kong | flv, avi, mp4, mov | 16:46 |
| kong | movies are on sd card | 16:46 |
| Sicelo | you have an example you can share publicly somewhere? want to test with mine | 16:47 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo: you can grab flv from youtube | 16:47 |
| kong | i received a video from whatsapp, also not playable without kmplayer for me | 16:47 |
| kong | or mplayer | 16:47 |
| Sicelo | i've downloaded many videos from youtube (using cutecube), and they play with stock | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | most likely cutecube downloads supported format | 16:48 |
| KotCzarny | in firefox install 'youtube video and audio downloader' | 16:50 |
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| KotCzarny | it will present you with multiple links | 16:50 |
| * Sicelo xfers some flv from his pc (downloaded with youtube download helper .. will test now | 16:52 | |
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| kong | firefox on n900? | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | nah, on lapyop | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | *laptop | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | on n900 it's called fennec, but is slow | 16:54 |
| Sicelo | <from his pc> ;) | 16:54 |
| kong | KotCzarny: does it works? | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 16:54 |
| kong | also on youtube? | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | on youtube i have set format to html5 (webm) and it launched system player which played videos fine | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | cumbersome a bit but workede | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | *worked | 16:56 |
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| Sicelo | www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex0XUS6ppas | 16:59 |
| KotCzarny | but if you scroll up, someone mentioned 2 alternative | 16:59 |
| Sicelo | i'm playing that flv right now in stock media player .. just fine :) | 16:59 |
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| KotCzarny | <infobot> somebody said alopex was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1329671 | 17:00 |
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| KotCzarny | needs cssu-thumb apparently | 17:02 |
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| Pali | anything which use gstreamer for playback use DSP | 17:15 |
| Pali | and I think that all versions of mplayer does not have support for video decoding on DSP | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | pali: ask ssvb, he was the one that hacked it | 17:16 |
| KotCzarny | and probably the only one | 17:17 |
| ssvb | Pali: MPplayer only used DSP for audio on Nokia 770 (hooking gstreamer in a very roundabout way) | 17:19 |
| KotCzarny | ssvb: didn't it also hack video device? | 17:20 |
| ssvb | no | 17:20 |
| KotCzarny | oh, well | 17:20 |
| Sicelo | btw, kong's videos play fine on my N900 | 17:20 |
| ssvb | KotCzarny: Nokia 770 has a very bad DSP video decoder implementation, that's why the ARM core could run circles around it :) | 17:21 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 17:22 |
| ssvb | it was OK for offloading audio though | 17:22 |
| Sicelo | if only gstreamer wasn't such a nightmare to understand :( | 17:25 |
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| KotCzarny | if you like nightmares, look at pulseaudio api | 17:25 |
| Pali | I know some parts of PA :-( | 17:26 |
| Pali | Sicelo: and do you think ffmpeg/libav has better api then gstreamer? | 17:27 |
| KotCzarny | libav has better support for different codecs | 17:28 |
| Pali | and if you are really hard hacker, look at dbus API :D:D | 17:28 |
| Pali | even official documentation say: you do not want to use it! :D | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | writing own player with ffmpeg/libav is very simple | 17:28 |
| Pali | (that C dbus api library) | 17:28 |
| KotCzarny | pity it won't compile assembly on n800's default gcc :/ | 17:29 |
| Sicelo | well, i'm not even at the API level .. but what i meant was from a user point of view ... trying to stream N900's camera for example ... | 17:29 |
| Pali | there is missing application for streaming... | 17:29 |
| Pali | and using low level gst-launch is just hack :D | 17:30 |
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| kong | there is phonestream | 17:34 |
| kong | can stream to vlc and much other | 17:34 |
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| KotCzarny | woo, hoo, softvol is in | 17:48 |
| KotCzarny | (f*ck the pulse audio) | 17:48 |
| kerio | fuck the plebs | 17:49 |
| KotCzarny | plebs? | 17:49 |
| Luke-Jr | softvol? | 17:51 |
| Luke-Jr | this doesn't appear to address the N900's special needs | 17:52 |
| KotCzarny | n900 pa | 17:52 |
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