| antranigv | any idea if I can reflash it without connecting it with that heat thing ? :D | 00:00 |
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| antranigv | soldering! that's the word! :D | 00:00 |
| Maxdamantus | Why do you actually need to reflash? | 00:02 |
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| antranigv | Maxdamantus: I have broken busybox :( I'm stuck in a booting loop | 00:02 |
| kerio | rip | 00:09 |
| kerio | do you have uboot installed? | 00:09 |
| * Maxdamantus guesses not. | 00:12 | |
| Maxdamantus | (if you do, you'll probably see a picture of tux as you turn it on) | 00:13 |
| Maxdamantus | (the Linux penguin) | 00:13 |
| antranigv | nop :( | 00:14 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect the easiest thing to do is attach the USB to the back using http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71414 (as mentioned before) | 00:16 |
| Maxdamantus | then just flash uBoot, because it won't take long (if you have to hold the device while it's attached it shouldn't be inconvenient) | 00:17 |
| Maxdamantus | then load rescueOS off an SD card: http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 00:17 |
| kerio | does it actually work | 00:17 |
| Maxdamantus | Dunno. | 00:17 |
| kerio | i thought the pads below the battery were rapuyama's usb | 00:17 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah. | 00:19 |
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| Maxdamantus | Well, supposedly some of them should make up a serial port, which you supposedly can flash with. | 00:19 |
| antranigv | so I'm thinking to cut one of my USB cables, and "touch" them to the device from that dots, (I have it deassambled now), and then reflash it, (I have the images) and then flash uBoot for the future :) | 00:20 |
| Maxdamantus | It looks like that won't work because of what kerio said. | 00:22 |
| kerio | i dunno | 00:23 |
| kerio | maybe there's two sets of pads? | 00:23 |
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| Maxdamantus | How did you break busybox btw? | 00:24 |
| antranigv | Maxdamantus: changed the default ash to bash :) | 00:25 |
| Maxdamantus | Heh. | 00:25 |
| Maxdamantus | did you already know the USB port was broken? | 00:26 |
| antranigv | I'm looking forward to buy neo900 or a new N900 (if I find one). | 00:26 |
| antranigv | Maxdamantus: yupp, I bought it second hand :P | 00:26 |
| antranigv | for like 50$ | 00:26 |
| antranigv | no one is fixing it >_< | 00:26 |
| Maxdamantus | I would've looked into being able to running kernels from the SD card ASAP in that situation. :\ | 00:27 |
| Maxdamantus | run* | 00:27 |
| antranigv | btw, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1001306&postcount=13 | 00:29 |
| antranigv | so it's possible | 00:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah, hm. | 00:30 |
| kerio | neat | 00:30 |
| kerio | mh, can't you get something 3d-printed for that | 00:30 |
| kerio | a piece of plastic to shove wires in | 00:30 |
| antranigv | shove ? define shove ? | 00:30 |
| kerio | well how are you going to hold the wires in place? | 00:32 |
| antranigv | I dnno :-/ I'll connect them with heat | 00:32 |
| antranigv | I'll put a knife on fire :P | 00:32 |
| antranigv | then then touch em all | 00:32 |
| Maxdamantus | that's not how soldering works. | 00:33 |
| antranigv | it used to work with gold back in Syria :P | 00:33 |
| Maxdamantus | yeah, with a really hot fire. | 00:33 |
| Maxdamantus | probably easier to find a soldering iron. | 00:33 |
| antranigv | :D | 00:33 |
| antranigv | I'll check out the market tomorrow, until then, I'll try just by touch and holding with lot's of stickers | 00:34 |
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| Maxdamantus | I think it could work with tape. | 00:35 |
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| antranigv | tape! I have lots of em! I'll give it a shot! ^^ | 00:35 |
| Maxdamantus | preferably clear tape. | 00:36 |
| antranigv | since it's all deassambled now | 00:36 |
| Maxdamantus | it doesn't really need to be disassembled. | 00:36 |
| antranigv | it's just easier to work | 00:37 |
| antranigv | ouch! my hand | 00:39 |
| Maxdamantus | Mm, it probably would actually be easiest to flash using just the motherboard. | 00:50 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't think the screen needs to be connected. | 00:51 |
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| antranigv | Maxdamantus: yup yupp | 00:55 |
| antranigv | here we give a try | 00:55 |
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| Maxdamantus | imo don't flash the whole OS. | 00:58 |
| Maxdamantus | do you know if you've installed CSSU or kernel-power? not sure if CSSU necessarily comes with that kernel. | 00:59 |
| Maxdamantus | meh, either way you should be able to just use a uBoot image from that post. | 01:00 |
| antranigv | no CSSU and now power-Kernel :) | 01:02 |
| Maxdamantus | It would've been fine even if you did use them, since the kernel modules for 2.6.28-omap1 should still be there. | 01:02 |
| Maxdamantus | although there is a `current` symlink .. not sure what that's for. | 01:03 |
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| bencoh | instead of flashing uboot you can try and load it first | 01:18 |
| bencoh | to test your usb ""link"" | 01:18 |
| Maxdamantus | if the screen is connected. | 01:20 |
| bencoh | hm right | 01:22 |
| Maxdamantus | would it actually be worth testing that anyway? | 01:23 |
| APic | Yes. | 01:24 |
| APic | Dunno. | 01:24 |
| APic | But i am sure. | 01:24 |
| APic | Somehow. | 01:24 |
| Maxdamantus | it doesn't really take much time to transfer just uBoot (and maybe an attached kernel), and there'll've already been communication before the actual transfer. | 01:25 |
| Maxdamantus | Actually, not sure. I'm judging from using -b, but flashing will probably be writing to the NAND during the transfer. | 01:26 |
| kerio | if uboot is loaded you can just use it to do whatever | 01:26 |
| Maxdamantus | which I'd expect to take a second. | 01:26 |
| kerio | flashing the bootloader is really fast, yes | 01:26 |
| Maxdamantus | with the kernel attached? | 01:27 |
| Maxdamantus | (should be about 3.5 MiB) | 01:27 |
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| bencoh | antranigv: btw, you do have a service manual, rigt ? | 01:45 |
| bencoh | (the one with n900 schematics) | 01:45 |
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| antranigv | bencoh: nop :-/ | 01:53 |
| antranigv | I'm trying to connect it with tapes now :) | 01:53 |
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| APic | http://Hentai.Republican/ | 01:55 |
| bencoh | antranigv: https://n900.googlecode.com/git/web-backup/N900_Hardware_Schematic_-_maemoorg_wiki/nokia_n900_rx-51_schematics.pdf | 01:55 |
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| bencoh | APic: wtf :D | 01:56 |
| APic | PP | 01:59 |
| APic | ;-PP even | 01:59 |
| antranigv | bencoh: thanks! | 02:05 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hm. With newer versions of Linux (say, 3.14 and above), it looks like the kernel keeps the watchdog alive automatically, until some process opens the device or something. | 09:11 |
| Maxdamantus | Is that not the case with the current maemo kernels? (eg, 2.6.28.10-cssu1) | 09:11 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders if the interface is different for /dev/twl4030_wdt | 09:17 | |
| Maxdamantus | I think in the newer kernels it just unifies into a single watchdog using /dev/watchdog | 09:17 |
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| Maxdamantus | Ah. There's no twl4030_wdt device in by filesystem's /dev .. that might be why busybox's `watchdog` doesn't work. | 09:30 |
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| Maxdamantus | Yay. It gets past an fsck now. | 09:35 |
| APic | Good. | 09:36 |
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| APic | I love Filesystemchecks. ;-) | 09:36 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't. | 09:36 |
| Maxdamantus | I like btrfs, but that's not easy to run on 2.6.28. | 09:37 |
| APic | ext* > btr | 09:37 |
| APic | ext* > RAZOR | 09:37 |
| Maxdamantus | The reason people usually won't have to do an fsck in that instance is that other people will be using ubifs for their root. | 09:37 |
| APic | (aka reis0r) | 09:37 |
| APic | You are very right. Sorry. | 09:38 |
| APic | I use to do tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 | 09:38 |
| APic | When i get around to Thinking of it. | 09:38 |
| APic | .o0(But you _cannot_ Tunafish, even though they may taste like Dolphineggs…) | 09:38 |
| Maxdamantus | /dev/mmcblk0p2 27.4G 18.0G 8.0G 69% /home | 09:38 |
| Maxdamantus | because a separate /home and /opt is silly. | 09:39 |
| APic | I see | 09:39 |
| APic | Planetary Collisions | 09:39 |
| APic | But they oughta have thought of _something_ in the Past when introducing Partitionseparation on Muli{ces,Uni{} | 09:40 |
| APic | FAIL | 09:40 |
| APic | SORRY | 09:40 |
| APic | I will shut up now. | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | Making a block device available over UMS is also silly, in a relatively Linux-like environment like Maemo. | 09:40 |
| APic | And vatch teh™ nic3 Snowdenfilm. | 09:40 |
| APic | cya | 09:40 |
| APic | *nute* | 09:40 |
| * APic mutes. | 09:40 | |
| * Maxdamantus will go afk now. | 09:40 | |
| APic | hf | 09:40 |
| * Maxdamantus will soon see if he can kill the supposedly superfluous `watchdog` processes left from boot. | 09:41 | |
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| Maxdamantus | 20:36:42 < APic> I love Filesystemchecks. ;-) | 10:26 |
| Maxdamantus | A filesystem having a check that's meant to be done pretty much every mount indicates it's a filesystem open to inconsistencies. | 10:26 |
| Maxdamantus | actually, the check can fix the inconsistencies. | 10:26 |
| Maxdamantus | but it's a filesystem open to data loss. | 10:27 |
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| Maxdamantus | unless you run it in a crazy way, eg, `-o data=journal` on ext3/4 | 10:28 |
| Maxdamantus | meh, I think inconsistency was the right description. | 10:28 |
| Maxdamantus | with ext, you can end up with a filesystem in a state you never actually put it in, unless you use `-o data=journal`, which causes all data to be journalled, halving write performance. | 10:29 |
| uhhimhere | so has maemo run on anything other than n900 | 10:30 |
| Maxdamantus | It runs on x86. | 10:35 |
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| uhhimhere | Maxdamantus: really? | 10:46 |
| uhhimhere | Maxdamantus: like what | 10:46 |
| Maxdamantus | It runs in scratchbox. | 10:46 |
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| Luke-Jr | who cares? maemo is dead. | 11:08 |
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| bencoh | noooo! | 11:10 |
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| kerio | scratchbox uses qemu for some stuff i think | 11:38 |
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| Maxdamantus | I think it uses it for building stuff. | 11:49 |
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| Maxdamantus | because crosscompiling is difficult for some reason. | 11:50 |
| * Maxdamantus thinks something like the nix package manager should solve it, but they started doing it wrong at the beginning -_- | 11:51 | |
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| kerio | yeah, nokia fucked us up really hard in that regard | 12:02 |
| Maxdamantus | It's not really Nokia's fault. | 12:03 |
| Maxdamantus | Cross-compiling is hard because people haven't come up with the right packaging system for it yet. | 12:04 |
| bencoh | erm ... :) | 12:04 |
| Maxdamantus | I think nix leads the way for such a system, but they didn't take it into account when first writing nixpkgs. | 12:04 |
| Maxdamantus | a few years later when they had already written most of the packages they realised they could've made it easy to crosscompile everything. | 12:05 |
| bencoh | it has nothing to do with packaging system | 12:05 |
| bencoh | it does have to do with broken build systems though | 12:05 |
| Maxdamantus | which the packaging system can fix. | 12:06 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm using "packaging system" broadly. | 12:06 |
| Maxdamantus | where it would include things like portage. | 12:06 |
| bencoh | actually that's not a "fix" | 12:06 |
| kerio | no it wouldn't | 12:06 |
| kerio | it would include stuff like apt | 12:06 |
| kerio | because maemo is debian-based | 12:06 |
| bencoh | that's more of a kludge where you trick the build system into thinking it can use a whole tree as a "native" sysroot | 12:07 |
| ShadowJK | this is weird, my MyDocs is mounted without permissions for 'user' | 12:07 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm not only talking about Maemo. | 12:07 |
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| Maxdamantus | An important thing with nix is that native packages shouldn't get special treatment. | 12:08 |
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| Maxdamantus | if you're building on x86_64 targetting ARM and you need to use bison, you'll address an x86_64 build of bison, which is still just contained in /nix/store/abcdefg-bison | 12:10 |
| Maxdamantus | if the ARM program needs to run bison, it'll refer to /nix/store/gfedcba-bison | 12:13 |
| Maxdamantus | traditionally, both will want to use /usr/bin/bison | 12:13 |
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| bencoh | hm, what happened to alopex ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89506 ) ? anyone knows why it hasnt made it to extras-devel ? | 13:32 |
| APic | Dunno. | 13:34 |
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| bencoh | qwazix: any idea (regarding alopex ^) ? | 13:44 |
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| qwazix | It died | 14:12 |
| qwazix | It wasn't in very good state, I stopped being overly interested and qmlmozembed didn't get too far either | 14:12 |
| qwazix | It didn't get to extras devel because it requires thumb | 14:13 |
| qwazix | bencoh, ^ | 14:14 |
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| * Maxdamantus would quite like a new version of xulrunner, so he can just run conkeror. | 14:37 | |
| Maxdamantus | conkeror seems like about as reasonable a browser to use on the N900 as a normal computer. | 14:38 |
| Maxdamantus | doesn't need much UI optimisation. | 14:38 |
| * Maxdamantus wrote some script for it that gives it kinetic scrolling anyway. | 14:38 | |
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| bencoh | qwazix: oh ... how comes it needs thumb? | 15:13 |
| kerio | it doesn't require thumb, but it requires some updated qt stuff | 15:14 |
| kerio | that, so far, is only in cssu-thumb | 15:14 |
| bencoh | hmm | 15:14 |
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| useretail | hello. does anyone know how to format 'fake' sd card properly to reveal it's true size? | 19:05 |
| stryngs | useretail: Not sure i understand what u mean. fdisk -l might be helpful? | 19:12 |
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