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| ShadowJK | Supposedly they're about to, or have broken those | 00:10 |
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| RzR | Sicelo, when is it supposed to be unsupported ? | 00:41 |
| Sicelo | no idea. i never even got any email. but my skype hasn't been working for at least 2 weeks on N900 | 00:42 |
| RzR | and what about tox ? | 00:42 |
| Sosica | Hoi, I've got some weird bootloop situation here. Tried to restore a backup with Backupmenu (which was successful), but after the mandatory reboot, my N900 just keeps rebooting itself after cca. 7-10 seconds. Weirdly enough (with full battery), the reflashing command will always stay at "Suitable device not found", keeping in mind that flashing the device previously worked flawlessly | 00:43 |
| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93647&highlight=tox | 00:43 |
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| Sosica | on the other hand, "sudo flasher3.5 -i" (bootloader check) and rescueOS method both work, so I'm out of ideas... | 00:44 |
| Sosica | (btw all this was done on Linux, Ubuntu 12.04) | 00:45 |
| * Sicelo hasn't a tox account. might end up wanting to try it in future (if i can convince friends to use it, haha) | 00:47 | |
| Sicelo | Sosica: do you perhaps currently have different kernel on N900 than you had when creating the BackupMenu backup? | 00:49 |
| Sosica | I thought that too, but it was stock maemo (before restoring backup) versus cssu_thumb (of the backup)... I didn't ever have problems with that combination | 00:53 |
| Sicelo | according to the instructions for BM, that *should* be the cause of your grief | 00:57 |
| Sicelo | (never really had that situation myself, but i'd never try different kernel combinations with a BM backup) | 00:57 |
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| Sosica | what I was trying after I got the problem, was restoring a "clean" BM backup & failing to do so, as the device reboots. But now that I know what the issue might be (or most likely IS) I'm gonna read a bit more through that topic. Thx for the fast reply | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya maemo, fed up with it | 01:04 |
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| nox- | o_O | 01:06 |
| Luke-Jr | tempting to do, now that there's a N900 killer in the works finally | 01:19 |
| Sicelo | :) | 01:20 |
| nox- | which one would that be? | 01:20 |
| Sicelo | Neo? Pyra? | 01:20 |
| Luke-Jr | I was thinking Pyra | 01:20 |
| Luke-Jr | assumign they release it sometime this year | 01:20 |
| Luke-Jr | maybe even next year | 01:20 |
| nox- | hmm first time i read of pyra, have a link? | 01:21 |
| Luke-Jr | www.pyra-handheld.com | 01:22 |
| nox- | thx | 01:22 |
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| Sicelo | they don't say if their screen is capacitive or resistive | 01:25 |
| nox- | http://www.pyra-handheld.com/specs.html | 01:25 |
| nox- | resistive | 01:25 |
| Sicelo | ah, i see | 01:26 |
| nox- | yeah not bad :) | 01:26 |
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| ssr4tester | hi all, was wondering if someone has experince with n900 and pwnphone image | 01:52 |
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| ssr4tester | hi all, was wondering if you know a channel where i could talk to somebody about nokia n900. Im having hard time with some installations | 02:19 |
| florian | this one maybe :) | 02:20 |
| florian | later | 02:22 |
| florian | Good Night | 02:22 |
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| ssr4tester | when try to install pwn phone image on nokia n900 im getting a few errors of missing backupmenu, boot menu and some others, hoever when i try to install the using the application manager it says packages are missing. Was wondering if I should treat the nokia like a linux machine and try installing them using the apt-get function or if there is another way entirely | 02:24 |
| ssr4tester | im new to the n900 environment and after flashing it kindof confused about the way the libraries and packages are installed on it, was wondering if someone has experience and could assist me in this issue | 02:25 |
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| gogogogo | hello, what's the sd card size limit for a nokia n900? | 05:14 |
| gogogogo | I can only find old threads when 64gb sd card still weren't available | 05:15 |
| gogogogo | today they are but I fail to find someone who had any experience about | 05:15 |
| bef0rd | 128GB uSDXC works like a charm... just format it when you put it in, the N900 throws a few errors up but once formatted its AOK. | 05:16 |
| bef0rd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72864&page=9 | 05:16 |
| gogogogo | god, that's majestic | 05:17 |
| gogogogo | thanks bef0rd | 05:18 |
| gogogogo | any heads-up for buying? | 05:19 |
| gogogogo | thanks, I found this link from the wiki | 05:20 |
| gogogogo | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards | 05:20 |
| gogogogo | are there downloadable dumps from this wiki? They would be great to use with Evopedia when on the go | 05:21 |
| bef0rd | max capacity I used on my device was 16 GB, that 128 GB uSDXC is something from the TMO thread I linked | 05:23 |
| gogogogo | as I'm interested in 64GB at the moment I feel quite confident, there exists some reassuring feedback | 05:24 |
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| gogogogo | me, I'd rather drop mobile phones forever than shifting to any other mobile phone. N900 for ever. | 05:43 |
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| Luke-Jr | bef0rd: eh, you sure it doesn't silently corrupt stuff? :P | 06:31 |
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| raccoon_ | hey all. trying to score some replacement chassis screws for n900; managed to lose two of them... is nokiaparts.com stil recommended (old thread on maemo board), or is there a more reliable source? | 12:19 |
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| stryngs | Anyone else having issues with whois from busybox-power? | 14:59 |
| stryngs | ii busybox-power 1.20.2power5 | 15:00 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 15:10 |
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| merlin1991 | stryngs: issues as in what? | 15:54 |
| stryngs | doesnt work | 15:54 |
| stryngs | merlin1991: It used to, on the older kernel kp-46 | 15:54 |
| stryngs | I'm rocking kp-52 now, and for whatever reason it just hangs, as in: whois google.com | 15:55 |
| stryngs | Nothing happens | 15:55 |
| stryngs | Not a big deal, just grab some sourcecode and compile | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | I tried just now and yep nothing happens | 15:55 |
| stryngs | Just wanted to mention it and see if anyone else experienced symptoms like mine | 15:55 |
| stryngs | haha | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | stock kernel | 15:55 |
| stryngs | and kernel? | 15:55 |
| stryngs | oh | 15:55 |
| stryngs | well, it worked before | 15:55 |
| stryngs | that i know | 15:55 |
| merlin1991 | and in any case kernel should not affect whois ... | 15:55 |
| stryngs | Not sure if I upgraded busybox-power though | 15:55 |
| stryngs | Right, but u never know | 15:55 |
| stryngs | Especially with maemo's nonsense | 15:56 |
| stryngs | opt pymaemo and all the ilk | 15:56 |
| merlin1991 | I wonder what exactly is wrong with whois | 15:56 |
| stryngs | I'm guessing its: 1.20.2power5 -vs- 1.20.2power4 | 15:57 |
| stryngs | being power5 thats broken | 15:57 |
| stryngs | Cool, me found a bug =) | 15:57 |
| merlin1991 | nah it's not the kernel, since it fails for me on non-power kernel aswell | 15:57 |
| stryngs | DocScrutinizer51: We need a prescription | 15:57 |
| stryngs | I didnt say kernel, i did mention it, i was describing the apt-get version | 15:58 |
| stryngs | I'm bettin power4 works | 15:58 |
| merlin1991 | ah oops | 15:58 |
| merlin1991 | power-anything is always kernel for me xD | 15:58 |
| stryngs | hehe | 15:58 |
| stryngs | Thats good though, I've been doing some deep mods to mine, so its nice to hear its not my fault | 15:58 |
| stryngs | I'll email dudeman in charge of dev | 15:58 |
| merlin1991 | I had 1.22.1power1 though | 15:59 |
| stryngs | oh | 15:59 |
| stryngs | hmm | 15:59 |
| stryngs | dpkg --list | grep busybox-power | 16:00 |
| stryngs | which version do u have righ tnow? | 16:00 |
| stryngs | I'm going to email the maintainer | 16:00 |
| merlin1991 | what I wrote | 16:00 |
| stryngs | It'd be nice to ensure its only one version so to speak | 16:00 |
| merlin1991 | you can list the available versions with 'apt-cache policy busybox-power' | 16:00 |
| merlin1991 | and then install them via 'apt-get install busybox-power=VERSION' | 16:00 |
| stryngs | Right, but dpkg --list would show which version U have installed | 16:01 |
| stryngs | which is what im curious of | 16:01 |
| merlin1991 | I did have the 1.22.1power1 installed (removed it already again) | 16:01 |
| stryngs | Ah | 16:01 |
| stryngs | Ok, so confirmed for multiple revisions | 16:01 |
| stryngs | nice | 16:01 |
| stryngs | Alright, email sent | 16:02 |
| stryngs | We shall see what happens | 16:02 |
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| Pali | ~poettering | 17:35 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal | 17:35 |
| Pali | See this: http://boycottsystemd.org/ | 17:35 |
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| drathir | mornin... | 18:51 |
| NIN101 | Pali: this site didn't got everything right. | 18:52 |
| NIN101 | e. g. you can redirect journald logs to normal files. | 18:59 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oh dear I think my battery is EOL. | 20:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | was 50% charged and died with the "Recharge now" banner. | 20:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | on removing the back cover it has swollen up. basically you can't shut the back cover any more with it in. | 20:39 |
| NIN101 | ouch :/ | 20:39 |
| * sixwheeledbeast looks around for his spares... | 20:40 | |
| kerio | sixwheeledbeast: yeah you don't want to use it | 20:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yep, it could go bang. | 20:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | spare found. I will be investigating it's age when I have time later. I think it's approx 18 month old. | 20:42 |
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| bencoh | where do you guys buy batteries nowadays ? | 20:51 |
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| gogogogo | hello, what's the default file system for sd cards in Nokia N900? | 21:07 |
| Pali | gogogogo: FAT32 | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: http://www.ebay.de/itm/NEU-PolarCell-Akku-1500mAh-Li-Ion-BL-5J-fuer-Nokia-5230-X6-00-5800-C3-00-5228-O-/190820715671 | 21:08 |
| Pali | by default only FAT32 is supported by Maemo in Nokia N900 | 21:08 |
| gogogogo | does this mean I can get it use other filesystems? | 21:08 |
| Pali | but with kernel-power other FSs are supported | 21:09 |
| Pali | and with CSSU also automouting is working | 21:09 |
| Pali | (of other FS) | 21:09 |
| Pali | gogogogo: which FS do you want to use? | 21:09 |
| gogogogo | Anything that doesn't limit my file size to 4GB | 21:09 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: thx | 21:10 |
| gogogogo | I'm considering purchasing a large SD card for wikipedia dumps that may be larger than that | 21:10 |
| bencoh | I think I need a new one as well :) | 21:10 |
| Pali | gogogogo: ext2/3/4 or UDF | 21:10 |
| gogogogo | kernel-power necessary right? | 21:10 |
| Pali | ext is not supported by any windows (without 3rd drivers) | 21:10 |
| Humpelstilzchen | How many n900 owners do mount their SD card under windows? | 21:11 |
| Pali | UDF is supported by Windows Vista+ Linux 2.6.32+ (kernel-power has backported patch) and by Mac OSX too | 21:11 |
| Pali | Humpelstilzchen: I sometimes: when using it as mass storage | 21:11 |
| gogogogo | I would, I'm not very linux literate but can format things under linux though | 21:11 |
| gogogogo | or you mean just plug it to a windows pc? | 21:12 |
| Pali | anyway I'm think that for OS compatibility, UDF FS is the best option | 21:12 |
| gogogogo | I will install some 3rd drivers, Windows will bow or die XD | 21:12 |
| Pali | if you want to use SD card only in linux (e.g. Maemo) than ext3 (or better ext4) is the best option | 21:13 |
| kerio | my sd card *must* stay inside my n900 | 21:13 |
| kerio | i don't have a swap partition anywhere else | 21:13 |
| Pali | NTFS/exFAT is not supported by linux (external semi-working drivers are not acceptable) | 21:13 |
| gogogogo | I can't be sure but I can organize my MyDocuments folder to keep ambigously-needed files and store only linux-reserved ones on the sd | 21:14 |
| Pali | FAT32 has problems (filename restrictions, file size restriction, poor fsck, slow speed....) | 21:14 |
| gogogogo | I should study some filesystem theory... | 21:15 |
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| gogogogo | I just noticed that the dumps I'm going to download are split into 500MB part files, so FAT32 would work. But might be slow... | 21:16 |
| Pali | I think that ext4 is good option for SD cards (which are NAND based) when you correctly format it (ext4 options: stride, stripe_width) to align for erase block | 21:16 |
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| gogogogo | is there any way to know if a file system may influence your battery life over another? | 21:17 |
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| Pali | gogogogo: this is good question. theoretical it can, but I do not know about any tests... | 21:18 |
| Pali | In my opinion problems can happen when too many files are fragmented | 21:18 |
| Pali | then file reading is slower and consume more I/O and CPU | 21:19 |
| gogogogo | I may understand that if ext4 is better for NAND memories, it may read/write in a more suitable/economic way.. so maybe save battery? | 21:19 |
| gogogogo | I never defragmented under linux, is it possible? | 21:19 |
| kerio | you don't defrag extfs | 21:19 |
| kerio | you don't defrag ntfs either | 21:20 |
| kerio | and you most definetely do not defrag a solid state drive | 21:20 |
| Humpelstilzchen | yes, you can defrag ext2/3/4 folders | 21:20 |
| Pali | 1) you do not access raw NAND memory (on SD card or SSD disks) | 21:20 |
| Pali | 2) In my opinion (I saw same tests), ext4 is better for SD cards as ext3 or ntfs | 21:20 |
| kerio | *than | 21:21 |
| kerio | why wouldn't it be better than ext3? | 21:21 |
| Pali | 3) defragmetning (on linux) is possible: ext2 has offline defrag utility (offline - you need to umount FS), ext4 has online defrag utility (supported by kernel driver!) | 21:21 |
| Pali | 4) but defragmenting ext* is not usually needed, structure of ext should prevent it and kernel driver is good at it | 21:22 |
| Humpelstilzchen | well you mostly defrag with cp -ar var var_new ... | 21:23 |
| kerio | Humpelstilzchen: no you don't, you use e4defrag | 21:23 |
| kerio | and let the driver actually defrag stuff | 21:23 |
| kerio | while keeping any file descriptor open | 21:23 |
| Pali | yes e4defrag call special ioctl which tell kernel driver to relocate & defrag file | 21:23 |
| Humpelstilzchen | kerio: sounds like it will work only on ext4 | 21:23 |
| Pali | working only with ext4 (no ext3/ext2) | 21:23 |
| kerio | it does | 21:24 |
| Pali | ext3 kernel driver does not have offline defrag support - for sure | 21:24 |
| Pali | anyway, I would ask you, do you know any disadvantage for UDF FS? | 21:25 |
| Humpelstilzchen | write support maybe? | 21:26 |
| Pali | win/linux/mac support writing to UDF | 21:26 |
| Pali | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format | 21:27 |
| Humpelstilzchen | so everything but winxp | 21:29 |
| Pali | yes | 21:29 |
| kerio | Pali: what about btrfs? | 21:29 |
| Pali | phoronix shown that in some tests it was slower then ext4... | 21:30 |
| Pali | and I think that btrfs is too complicated | 21:30 |
| Pali | and supported only by linux | 21:31 |
| Pali | and it is oracle product | 21:31 |
| Pali | which I do not like :-) | 21:31 |
| drathir | NIN101: yes is possible to redirect what i hear, but it break normal systemd... | 21:34 |
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| NIN101 | drathir: I dunno. | 21:44 |
| drathir | break how in default systemd store logs... | 21:47 |
| NIN101 | yeah, I didn't know. | 21:49 |
| drathir | in different logs per service is much cleaner personally for me... | 21:49 |
| NIN101 | I am sure you can filter journald logs per service. | 21:49 |
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| kerio | oh btw if your journald logs get corrupted just ignore it | 21:53 |
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| NIN101 | sure. | 21:53 |
| drathir | true if corrupted all services logs lost... | 21:58 |
| NIN101 | I just wanted to make point out not everything that site says is complete and true. | 22:01 |
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| drathir | NIN101: yes could be true not all mods/alternatives included... | 23:44 |
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| ecc3g | hmm cssu update down the airwaves.. | 23:49 |
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| bencoh | hmm ? | 23:55 |
| ecc3g | dunno, got a update over the air, not sure what triggered it | 23:59 |
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