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| gogogogo | hello | 18:15 |
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| gogogogo | I have a question: do plugins for Pidgin need to be converted to ARM versions before being suitable for the Maemo version of Pidgin? | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good question | 18:16 |
| gogogogo | there's ZRTP coming soon... *_* | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on which code they are | 18:17 |
| gogogogo | unfortunately I have no idea | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | `file <the plugin-filename>` | 18:17 |
| gogogogo | would the source code help? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when there's something like 2sourcecode" then there's also "binary" aqnd that is CPU specific | 18:18 |
| gogogogo | http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/pidgin-zrtp/ | 18:18 |
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| gogogogo | I'm trying to understand, but.. it's hard for me | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's c. Needs building for the target platform | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so your answer is: yes, needs "to be converted to ARM" | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idealy that process consists of just a `make all` | 18:20 |
| gogogogo | shit :( | 18:20 |
| gogogogo | I read somewhere it may come in python version.. | 18:20 |
| gogogogo | make all? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but usually you need to do minor adaptions in the sourcecode to make it compile for the target platform (maemo) | 18:20 |
| gogogogo | I'm almost programming illiterate, does it mean to compile for linux? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make is a command | 18:21 |
| gogogogo | well, I wish I could contribute myself | 18:21 |
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| gogogogo | nice. Maybe we'll add ZRTP to our maemo. | 18:22 |
| gogogogo | even though I'm seriously concerned by the amount of CPU request necessary for a live-streaming encryption and of course by the consumption of battery | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, CPU load isn't negligible for this usecase | 18:23 |
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| gogogogo | but.. if you happen to be plugged to a power supply.. | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but on the bright side, it's c code, not python or something else similarly sluggish | 18:24 |
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| gogogogo | well, my average cpu load ranges from 5 to 20% and I'm using an old quadcore cpu at 3Ghz | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for just zRTP-VoIP? | 18:25 |
| gogogogo | my load during ZRTP audio conversation I mean | 18:25 |
| gogogogo | yeah | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's kinda... LOTS | 18:25 |
| gogogogo | but I'm using Jitsi, not Pidgin | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly caused by PulseAudio though | 18:25 |
| gogogogo | my friend has a very old computer (from 2006 I guess) and it almost gets stuck | 18:26 |
| gogogogo | PulseAudio? | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zRTP en/decryption shouldn't be significantly different CPU load than e.g. ssh. and via sftp (based on ssh encryption) I easily get transfer rates in the MBytes/s | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 | 18:27 |
| gogogogo | I never made it to a full ssh connection, ever. I am that dumb. | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's nothing to do with 2dumb" | 18:28 |
| gogogogo | anyway, I'll check out what Jitsi is programmed in | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | general rule: when there's lots of *.c and *.h files, then it's C | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pro tip: the command `file <filename>` tells you what type of file is <filename> | 18:29 |
| gogogogo | plain C or C++ or similar? | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# file /lib/modules/current/ext2.ko | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /lib/modules/current/ext2.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped | 18:30 |
| gogogogo | ok NOW I understand | 18:31 |
| gogogogo | Jitsi is a JAVA application | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 18:31 |
| gogogogo | that's the only one that supports ZRTP on windows nowadays | 18:31 |
| gogogogo | I would ditch Java otherwise | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah THAT will give your CPU lots of load | 18:31 |
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| * freemangordon is just testing his new chat client | 18:32 | |
| gogogogo | Java should be banned. Even devices that were programmed in Java always prove to be sluggish | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi freemangordon | 18:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | which client will that be | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hi! | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: highlight test for new client | 18:33 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, I upgraded my ubuntu to 14.04 a few hour ago | 18:33 |
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| freemangordon | still fighting with the changes :) | 18:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oh well I use pidgin on Ubuntu anyway, empathy was pants. | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | telepathy-idle 0.2.0 Telepathy IM/VoIP Framework | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: could you please do that test again? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: highlight test for new client | 18:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: test | 18:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :0 | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | yep, works | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :D | 18:34 |
| freemangordon | though on 12.04 it was better IMO, the highlight was in red, not only bolded | 18:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wasted another half a day on FSF and RYF | 18:35 | |
| freemangordon | however, not that bad either | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, if you cannot configure / customize even THAT, then the client is crap anyway | 18:36 |
| freemangordon | I guess it depends on the gnome theme | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gnome eeeww | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | but I can't waste time on that | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poor man's windows | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I can't stand unity, so I am on gnome-session-flashback :D | 18:37 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: remember, I moved from XP 6 months ago :) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then gnome is prolly ideal for you | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | yep | 18:38 |
| gogogogo | I miss XP already | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | I don;t | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *never* missed any redmond crap | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | booted my older install in VM an hour ago | 18:38 |
| gogogogo | shifting to 7 was like downgrading my mind | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except maybe visual studio sourcode editor | 18:38 |
| freemangordon | QtCreator is waaay better | 18:39 |
| gogogogo | DocScrutinizer I understand. I'm trying to plan a TOTAL DEFINITIVE switch to unix | 18:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 patents the term 'sourcode' | 18:39 | |
| freemangordon | gogogogo: jump to ubuntu and install flashback session | 18:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gnome-session-flashback :) that's what I use. I understand what you mean about fighting the changes now | 18:39 |
| gogogogo | only issues are music production softwares | 18:39 |
| gogogogo | freemangordon: I don't know that! What is it? | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | gogogogo: which one? ubuntu? or gnome-session-flashback? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | A) ubuntu is for losers. B) use KDE (even while KDE4 sucks donkey balls, I would never touch gnome again) | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 18:41 |
| freemangordon | ubuntu is ok o jump to coming wrom windoze | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | *to | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | shit | 18:42 |
| gogogogo | gnome session flashback :) | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's a me-too-wondows, made by canonical to lure innocent windows lusers into a dependency to canonical | 18:42 |
| * freemangordon meant:"ubuntu is ok to jump to when coming from windoze" | 18:42 | |
| bencoh | you'll see the light outside of the gnome/kde tunnel :p | 18:43 |
| bencoh | there *is* life around | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: but at least it is linux | 18:43 |
| gogogogo | I don't like ubuntu. I prefer Mint. | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more or less, yes | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | wasn't it based on ubuntu? | 18:43 |
| bencoh | ou dont have to force those down your throat :p | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | (mint) | 18:43 |
| gogogogo | Doc what distro would you suggest to free one's mind digitally? | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I consider ubuntu somewhere in the middle between linux and android | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | something like... maemo? :P | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | knoppix. Opensuse | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fedora even, when you're not afraid of somewhat rough surface | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for newcomers Opensuse with Yast is plain great | 18:45 |
| gogogogo | netsplit? | 18:45 |
| gogogogo | I'm writing it down | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Yast is so good it makes professional sysadmins forget their knowledge how to "do stuff the right way" | 18:46 |
| gogogogo | I don't care about the gui, all I care about is Wine/PlayOnLinux | 18:46 |
| bencoh | :/ | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 18:46 |
| gogogogo | and of course deep firewall tables | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | gogogogo: you're aware that linux is officialy supported by stream? | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | *steam | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I couldn't care less about wine. I use linux for professional tasks only | 18:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 usually has uptime in the 3digits of days | 18:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but some crazy bug in Konqueror paired with SSL-libs made me do a hard reboot just a 2 days ago | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, infobot is online again | 18:50 |
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| gogogogo | . | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wb | 18:52 |
| infobot | It's great to be back! | 18:52 |
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| gogogogo | super netsplit | 18:55 |
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| Sicelo | hi. any tricks to be aware of to install bluemaemo? i'm running into dependency hell | 19:11 |
| kerio | what's bluemaemo | 19:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: stop trying to make yast a thing | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's a gnome ;-P | 19:13 |
| kerio | i'm sure it's the best thing ever | 19:13 |
| kerio | kinda like smart cars | 19:13 |
| kerio | and opera | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's definitely a good entry point for noobs | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's so good that even pros still use it | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when I compare it to e.g. fedora's admin tools, I have a clear favorite. Yast beats that potpourri of apps in fedora hands down | 19:15 |
| kerio | debian > else | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all Yast is a component of SLES (https://www.suse.com/products/server/). What's e.g. the enterprise edition of ubuntu? | 19:21 |
| kerio | i said debian | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OpenSuse is the free spinoff of SLES like Fedora is the free spinoff of RHEL, iirc | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the enterprise version of debian? | 19:23 |
| kerio | debian stable :P | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | debian is the primordial soup that has it all, but nobody makes a professional distro out of it | 19:25 |
| kerio | and yet it works | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure. It's all linux and linux works | 19:26 |
| kerio | also | 19:26 |
| kerio | no systemd | 19:26 |
| kerio | yet | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is a nice thing for somebody who ubderstands what systemd is and also already notices that it's a bad thing. For a noob however that's pretty much totally irrelevant | 19:28 |
| kerio | i expect an enterprisey dude to understand | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the purpose of tools like Yast is to hide such details from user | 19:29 |
| kerio | anyway, it's still the best server distro ever | 19:29 |
| kerio | oh we're going deep end user here | 19:29 |
| kerio | like mariana trench user | 19:29 |
| kerio | i guess it works for that | 19:29 |
| kerio | idk if it's *that* better than mint tho | 19:29 |
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| Sicelo | having enabled swap on uSD, what do you do with the 'stock' swap? | 19:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nothing | 19:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well you could repartition the device to remove it completely. I think it's handy to have for removing the card on a booted system. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep it as spare | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you accepted that 768MB is already more than enugh for swap on an OMAP3 system with only 256MB RAM, you will have no problem to swapon internal and swapoff uSD-swap | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when however your uSD swap is larger than the internal one, you'ss see some 'funny' effects while doing that | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll | 19:43 |
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| Sicelo | i think i see where i was going wrong - was struggling to set priorities for the swap partitions | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | prio on swap isn't supported in stock busybox | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: ooh, I guess we all got you wrong? | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you ask "what do I do after `swapon $usdswap` ? | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the answer to that is `swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3` | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | keeping both but with different priorities (if you got proper swapon command that supports prio parameter) is possible but not recommended | 20:19 |
| Sicelo | i meant that. i blame myself for incomplete question | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the swapoff command will take a while, until system has swapped all swap from old to new one | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be in the range of minutes even | 20:22 |
| Sicelo | since i rarely have 'too' many things open, usually takes less than a minute | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapoff $usdswap; sleep 1; swapon $usdswap; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is what's commonly known as swap defragmenting | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for your case with "primary" swap on uSD | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some users trigger this from a "cron" (actually alarmed) job, daily | 20:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~flopswap | 20:52 |
| infobot | somebody said flopswap was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flopswap | 20:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :D | 20:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I defragment @ 4am on Tue, Thu, Sat, using flopswap/alarmed. | 20:54 |
| ecc2g | I think I hend up rebooting my phone often enough that fragmentation never becomes an issue :( | 20:55 |
| ecc2g | s/hend/end/ | 20:56 |
| infobot | ecc2g meant: I think I end up rebooting my phone often enough that fragmentation never becomes an issue :( | 20:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | weekends are not normally an issue. I find that swap gets battered during incoming work phone calls while other tasks are open. | 20:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ecc2g: uptime is underrated. If you "have" to reboot there is something wrong somewhere. | 20:58 |
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| ecc2g | yes, alas, it ended up being a dont care and likely a bad widget... | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# LANG=en_EN uptime | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 20:03pm up 22 days 5:19, 0 users, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.00 | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ad that's despite holidays, roaming, and constant hunting for next option for charging | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/ec4437afae | 21:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | widgetz, yep I know there must be leaky ones in Extras but I can't pin them down. :( | 21:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hence, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1373958&postcount=89 I now have minimal widgetz. | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | valgrind? | 22:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | armel build? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use the x86 build ;) | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I think it's been a failure to not have lint etc on cauldron autobuilder | 22:14 |
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| drathir | lol wifi fixed by own what i see... | 23:18 |
| drathir | really strange... | 23:18 |
| stryngs | drathir: ? | 23:18 |
| drathir | stryngs: have problems with wifi signal... | 23:19 |
| drathir | now magically works... | 23:20 |
| stryngs | gotta love magic | 23:20 |
| drathir | yep, but mostly like to know how things was fixed... | 23:21 |
| stryngs | True | 23:21 |
| stryngs | What were the symptoms? | 23:21 |
| stryngs | Just signal for wifi on the n900 specifically? | 23:21 |
| drathir | stryngs: big loss in the signal strength works in ~30cm range from the router... | 23:23 |
| stryngs | And other devices? | 23:23 |
| drathir | router fully functional other devices phones/laptops connecting w/o problems... | 23:24 |
| stryngs | hmm, that is strange | 23:24 |
| stryngs | Do you have power kernel? | 23:24 |
| stryngs | Perhaps wrong drivers got loaded somehow | 23:24 |
| drathir | yes really strange, not works till few months, and broken also w/o reason and yess powerkernel, but the same behaviours was on the normal one too... | 23:25 |
| stryngs | DocScrutinizer51, he would be your best bet I think at any further diagnosis | 23:27 |
| stryngs | The n900 is a puzzlepiece sometimes | 23:27 |
| drathir | with DocScrutinizer51 in the past we debuging the drivers and was look correct... idk how but good works again... | 23:27 |
| drathir | maybe wifi go to holiday, because was tired a bit... | 23:29 |
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