IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-07-25

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DocScrutinizer05((what the diff between deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free and deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free would be)) there shouldn't be a difference, once it been a symlink00:23
DocScrutinizer05(("don't panic" bootsplash)) see00:24
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools00:24
infobothmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools00:24
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast1: WELL, SORT OF CORRECT, YES00:26
DocScrutinizer05oops capslock, sorry00:26
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bencohDocScrutinizer05: hmm ?00:28
DocScrutinizer05actually even autonimous charging tries to detect fastcharger D+- short, and then use 500mA instead 100mA for flatbatrecover. But ir will happily use 100mA when the short in datalines missing. Just the question is if it comes out of molasses with 100mA00:28
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: hm? hmm???00:29
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: maybe [2014-07-24 Thu 08:45:34] <norayr> what was the name of tha package containing "don't panic" bootsplash animation?00:30
sixwheeledbeastWell I didn't leave it booting over and over too long to test.00:30
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: the problem is that 100mA won't suffice to powe rup the device during early boot. So a weak or worn battery will drop below lower threshold during the few seconds it needs to boot up to a state where software controls charging. And with missing D+. short even that sw control won't help00:31
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DocScrutinizer05steady yellow is hw autonomous aka emergency charging, not aided by software00:32
DocScrutinizer05as soon as battery voltage trips the minimum voltage threshold needed by OMAP system to start and POR the CPU, it will boot and load NOLO, which in turn tries to handle charging by software00:34
DocScrutinizer05and Nolo also switches steady yellow to pulsing yellow00:34
DocScrutinizer05iirc00:34
DocScrutinizer05now the system runs a CPU and a display, and that will eat more than 100mA00:35
sixwheeledbeast:nod:00:35
DocScrutinizer05a charger without D+- short is not supposed to be able to provide more than 100mA, so N900 will behave and continue leeching 100mA for battery charging while same time system DIScharges battery with maybe 200mA00:36
sixwheeledbeastexactly what I was about to say00:37
sixwheeledbeast:)00:37
bencohDocScrutinizer05: the hmming was for the fremantle-1.3 vs fremantle in extras :)00:37
DocScrutinizer05aaah. well, that's pretty much bogus00:38
nox-so it wont charge 500 mA even once booted?00:38
DocScrutinizer05not when D+- short missing00:38
nox-oh00:38
DocScrutinizer05from a PC USB host it might, though00:38
nox-aah00:39
nox-thats what i was wondering00:39
DocScrutinizer05after ENUM00:39
DocScrutinizer05NOLO doesn't do proper ENUM afaik00:39
nox-ok00:39
bencohDocScrutinizer05: so basically extras/ is fully replicated ? :]00:39
honestlysome laptops have a "power" usb socket00:39
DocScrutinizer05you need working linux rootfs for that00:39
bencohtwice the space00:39
honestlythat provides higher current and also works when the laptop is powered off00:40
honestlyno idea how nicely that plays with n90000:40
DocScrutinizer05honestly: N900 doesn't care00:40
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: yep, wasted space. Ask xes00:41
DocScrutinizer05somebody did a wget copy during migrations, I guess00:41
bencohI think xes is still on vacation/away from a real keyboard00:42
bencohDocScrutinizer05: probably yeah00:42
DocScrutinizer05as am I, starting this weekend00:42
bencohDocScrutinizer05: you on vacation ? wow ;)00:42
bencohenjoy ! :)00:42
DocScrutinizer05yeah, vacation or die00:42
DocScrutinizer05my health doesn't give me any choice00:44
honestlyI hope you will stay away from maemo for at least two weeks00:45
DocScrutinizer052 weeks is exactly what I planned as minimum afk time00:46
DocScrutinizer05:-)00:46
sixwheeledbeastWasn't the whole fremantle-1.3 thing suppose to be for some incompatiblity with fremantle-1.2?00:47
DocScrutinizer05nope, 1.2 was incompatible with 1.100:47
DocScrutinizer05iirc00:47
DocScrutinizer051.3 been established just in anticipation00:47
sixwheeledbeastah, I knew there was a reason00:49
sixwheeledbeastso 1.3 is an exact copy of 1.200:50
DocScrutinizer05the story goes like: when we roll out new 1.X MP, we will ship new incompatible packages in repo for stuff that 1.(X-1) dvices may depend on. So we have a repo copy of 1.(X-1) for those who don't want to update, so they still can install packages that are compatible to their system00:50
DocScrutinizer05on a second thought, that might have been 1.2->1.300:51
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DocScrutinizer05for those who don't want to update to 1.3, there's fremantle-1.2 with all the old lib versions so they could install stuff from extras and the stuff doesn't pull in incompatible 1.3 versions of lins or whatever00:52
DocScrutinizer05so devices not willing to upgrade to 1.3 need to use fremantle-1.200:53
sixwheeledbeastexactly, how I remember it.00:53
DocScrutinizer05fremantle is meant to be "rolling release", while fremantle-1.3 is a symlink to fremantle for the time until a incompatible PR1.4 would get released00:54
sixwheeledbeastah, I see the reason for fremantle now.00:54
DocScrutinizer05on release of PR1.4 the fremantle-1.3 would turn from a symlink into a copy00:54
DocScrutinizer05static copy00:55
DocScrutinizer05aka snapshot00:55
DocScrutinizer05alas there never been a pr1.4, and somebody messed it up during migrations, turning fremantle-1.3 symlink into a copy00:56
DocScrutinizer05then shit hit the fan00:56
sixwheeledbeastWell I can't image anybody on <1.3 now00:56
DocScrutinizer05xes did a compare between fremantle and fremanlte-1.3 afail00:56
DocScrutinizer05afaik*00:56
DocScrutinizer05anybody on <1.3 is irrelevant, since that would be fremantle-1.200:57
DocScrutinizer05and that *is* a snapshot of fremantle of 2011(?)00:57
DocScrutinizer05we have a fremantle-1.2 afaik00:58
DocScrutinizer05it's a copy, as it is supposed to be00:58
DocScrutinizer05we're NOT supposed to have a fremantle-1.3 copy, particularly not one that's not in sync with fremantle00:59
DocScrutinizer05alas reality looks different00:59
DocScrutinizer05thanks to autobuilder madness01:00
sixwheeledbeasthm01:00
DocScrutinizer05ask xesw01:00
DocScrutinizer05xesw01:00
DocScrutinizer05damn it!01:00
sixwheeledbeastxes maybe ;)01:00
DocScrutinizer05xes, our sysop01:00
DocScrutinizer05he did a comprehensive compare and analyzed what are the differences between fremantle-1.3 and fremantle01:01
DocScrutinizer05somebody should use this info/data and re-unify those two repos01:01
DocScrutinizer05(unless somebody already did and I missed it)01:02
DocScrutinizer05we also got maemo5 ex-symlink to fremantle :-/01:03
DocScrutinizer05same trouble01:03
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DocScrutinizer05migration created an incredible mess01:04
DocScrutinizer05everything "worked" so nemein didn't care anymore, and of course Nokia didn't care at all01:04
sixwheeledbeast:nod: I remember....01:06
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Snafu777Ayone in here familiar with the best "how-to" regarding dh_make on maemo?  I can't seem to find a package16:44
Snafu777~dh_make16:44
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goldkatzeWhere to see current coverage of expenses and proper donation link for *.maemo.org?17:03
goldkatzeI'm not gonna dig through lengthy, over 12 months old forum threads…17:04
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