IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2014-07-07

*** maybeWTF has joined #maemo00:10
*** maybeHere has quit IRC00:12
*** shamus has quit IRC00:12
*** tmo_TomJ has joined #maemo00:16
*** at1as has joined #maemo00:24
keriowhich fixes are those anyway00:26
*** tmo_TomJ has quit IRC00:28
*** totalizator has joined #maemo00:29
DocScrutinizer05well, ask freemangordon ;-)00:30
DocScrutinizer05seems it had some suboptimal design decisions00:30
DocScrutinizer05maybe like rendering the whole list of packages to display anew after each packet that got added00:31
keriowow00:32
DocScrutinizer05pali always claimed that parsing the strings in the packages would take ages, I never got it how parsing strings could be that slow00:32
*** shamus has joined #maemo00:33
kerioit's literally something that dpkg does in a fraction of the time00:34
DocScrutinizer05there are lots and lots of useless redundancy you accidentally can implement into your code. E.G compiling a regex anew for each single string you want to search for the always same regex-pattern00:34
keriousing the wrong regexps too00:34
kerioor rather the wrong engine00:34
DocScrutinizer05sure, that too, though that doesn't count as redundancy00:34
DocScrutinizer05grep is fast since it compiles the regex only once and then applies arbitrary amounts of text to search to the compiled regex engine00:36
DocScrutinizer05any function call that accepts a plaintext regex parameter will have to compile that regex anew for each time the function gets called00:37
DocScrutinizer05the workload is like 99% for compiling regex, 1% for applying the compiled regex search engine (search patten) to the string you want to search for the pattern, for any reasonable size of single strings00:38
DocScrutinizer05that's why you got int regcomp() and int regexec()00:40
DocScrutinizer05man regexec00:40
DocScrutinizer05NB I dunno what optimizations FMG applied for speedyham00:41
*** erlehmann has joined #maemo00:42
*** LauRoman|Alt has quit IRC00:42
DocScrutinizer05anyway speedyham is UEBERCOOL00:48
*** Guest10788 has quit IRC00:50
*** Guest10788 has joined #maemo00:50
*** Guest10788 is now known as FIQ00:50
DocScrutinizer05HAM is package manager the right way, but sucks. SpeedyHAM is package manager the right way the right way the right way00:50
DocScrutinizer05thus SpeedyHAM shoots down fapman high noon00:51
*** shamus has quit IRC00:51
jaskahamster00:54
DocScrutinizer05If I had *any* clue about .deb and how that stuff works, I had nuked the damn fremantle-MP long ago and replaced it by something that simply takes care all the needed apps get installed when you activate that new thing01:02
DocScrutinizer05this way we wouldn't be stuck with that dang metapackage and all the headache it produces01:03
DocScrutinizer05and I *really* don't get it why CSSU didn't finally switch to such MP-ess scheme, at least after it became evident that there won't be new MP from Nokia in base repos01:04
DocScrutinizer05MP-less, even01:05
DocScrutinizer05the whole purpose of MP been: it allows Nokia to ship PRx.y as defined in the MP and it will replace the "complete" system when updated. CSSU exactly does _not_ want to do this01:06
DocScrutinizer05so why can't we get rid of mp-fremantle-community-pr ?01:08
DocScrutinizer05and rather simply ship upgrades of app packages like HAM whever due - incl proper dependencies01:08
DocScrutinizer05whenever*01:09
DocScrutinizer05rolling release01:09
*** dos1 has quit IRC01:11
*** dos1 has joined #maemo01:12
*** Ninja has quit IRC01:16
DocScrutinizer05anyway01:18
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: get speedyham! you'll love it :-)01:18
*** florian has quit IRC01:19
DocScrutinizer05cd ~/MyDocs && wget http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb && dpkg -i *.deb && rm *.deb01:20
DocScrutinizer05sth like that01:20
DocScrutinizer05ignore all errors/warnings01:20
DocScrutinizer05iirc that's what I did01:21
DocScrutinizer05except for the ignoring part, which I rather did like "blame, investigate, test, realize it doesn't matter"01:22
*** Ninja has joined #maemo01:28
*** keel has joined #maemo01:29
*** bef0rd has quit IRC01:39
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo01:39
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo01:39
*** bef0rd has quit IRC01:43
*** flynx has quit IRC02:07
vakkovis QtMobility connectivity API available for n90002:11
*** keel has quit IRC02:12
*** nox- has quit IRC02:17
*** ludens has joined #maemo02:24
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC02:26
*** beford has joined #maemo02:37
* DocScrutinizer05 just did a USBfix. Used tools: ERSA ANALOG60 @ 375°C, tiniest swiss army knife to scratch off green varnish, FL88 FLUX pen [lots of that!], Stannol F-SW26 S-SN60PB38CU2 0.5mm solder. Was a *pleasure* to do02:39
DocScrutinizer05ooh, smallest chisel soldertip I could find02:40
DocScrutinizer05good that felt good to actually solder something again02:40
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should've soldered right side (front view) close to the flex cable even more to the shielding can there ;-)02:42
DocScrutinizer05anyway if *that* jack comes off the PCB, then I dunno ... :-D02:43
DocScrutinizer05annoying: I need a magnifier glass to do such jobs now02:44
*** hurrian has joined #maemo02:44
*** hurrian has quit IRC02:44
*** hurrian has joined #maemo02:44
DocScrutinizer05I need better magnifier goggles that allow a "telescope" macro view of the object, means I want to have more than a 6cm distance between the soldering iron and the tip of my nose02:46
*** trumee has quit IRC02:46
*** trumee has joined #maemo02:46
DocScrutinizer05,ore like <4cm with that clockmaker lens02:47
trumee~ping02:47
infobot~pong02:47
DocScrutinizer05an want at least 15cm02:47
*** Ninja has quit IRC02:49
DocScrutinizer05the Ersa ANALOG 60 is absolutely up to the job, for soldering the jack steel sleeve down to the ground pads of PCB02:49
*** Ninja has joined #maemo02:49
*** spoofy has quit IRC02:49
DocScrutinizer05actually it been so terribly simple, I couldn't figure how to do it wrong, when you use the proper tools and materials as described above, are careful with removing *all* the green varnish until shining copper is all you see on the pads, all the way til the steel sleeve which you also scratch clean. Then watch a movie about soldering and go ahead. It will be your first solder joint you ever did and it will be fine02:53
trumee~ping02:54
infobot~pong02:54
DocScrutinizer05~ding02:54
infobotdong02:54
DocScrutinizer05ooh, maybe to make that clear: the USBfix been preventive aka pre-break02:57
DocScrutinizer05so I had no need to mess with the 5 tiny contact pins at rear of jack, with solderpaste and hot air and such02:58
DocScrutinizer05soldering station: http://www.reichelt.de/ERSA-Loetstationen/ANALOG-60/3//index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=553&ARTICLE=4338&SHOW=1&OFFSET=16&03:00
DocScrutinizer05flux: http://uk.farnell.com/edsyn/fl88/flux-dispenser-pen-15ml/dp/87673203:00
*** Kabouik has joined #maemo03:01
*** flynx has joined #maemo03:09
*** trumee has quit IRC03:18
*** trumee has joined #maemo03:25
*** trumee has quit IRC03:31
*** shamus has joined #maemo03:36
*** trumee has joined #maemo03:40
*** trumee has quit IRC03:41
*** trumee has joined #maemo03:41
*** Kabouik has quit IRC03:42
*** trumee_ has joined #maemo03:48
*** trumee has quit IRC03:50
*** geaaru has quit IRC04:05
*** trumee_ has quit IRC04:16
*** trumee has joined #maemo04:17
*** trumee has quit IRC04:20
*** trumee has joined #maemo04:21
*** Ninja has quit IRC04:27
*** LauRoman has joined #maemo04:40
*** at1as has quit IRC04:46
*** Humpelst1lzchen has joined #maemo04:52
*** Humpelstilzchen has quit IRC04:56
*** silviof3 has joined #maemo05:01
*** silviof2 has quit IRC05:04
*** FlameReaper-PC has quit IRC05:09
*** LauRoman has quit IRC05:09
*** infobot has quit IRC05:17
*** infobot has joined #maemo05:28
*** infobot has quit IRC05:30
*** maybeWTF has quit IRC05:33
*** maybeWTF has joined #maemo05:44
*** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo05:59
*** lxp1 has joined #maemo06:02
*** lxp has quit IRC06:04
DocScrutinizer05http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mWHRakh5Hw :-D06:27
DocScrutinizer05(not me!)06:28
DocScrutinizer05just re >>I need better magnifier goggles that allow a "telescope" macro view of the object<<06:28
*** at1as has joined #maemo06:29
*** geaaru has joined #maemo06:32
*** beford has quit IRC06:42
DocScrutinizer05or already ERSASCOPE!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlTV3T-JNAk06:44
*** at1as has quit IRC06:57
*** dimw1t has joined #maemo06:57
*** flynx has quit IRC07:09
*** FlameReaper-PC has joined #maemo07:12
*** robbiethe1st has quit IRC07:26
*** dimw1t has quit IRC07:47
*** silviof3 is now known as silviof07:50
*** silviof has joined #maemo07:50
*** jormungandr has joined #maemo08:28
*** robink has quit IRC08:52
*** robink has joined #maemo08:53
*** geaaru has quit IRC09:05
*** dhbiker has joined #maemo09:06
*** tanty_off is now known as tanty09:13
*** erlehmann has quit IRC09:20
*** rcg has joined #maemo09:22
*** N-Mi has quit IRC09:31
*** maybeWTF has quit IRC09:41
*** bluelupo has joined #maemo09:45
*** b1101 has quit IRC09:50
*** shamus has quit IRC09:54
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo10:04
*** oniongarlic has quit IRC10:07
*** florian_kc is now known as florian10:12
vakkovDocScrutinizer05, I did the usb "prevent fix" wit a hot air rework stantion and a zd-99 solder stantion10:25
DocScrutinizer05i almost had used slderpaste and hot air, but then I was to lazy to open up the solder paste syringe, so I thought I'd try with classical soldering iron first10:35
DocScrutinizer05which was actually incredibly easy10:36
DocScrutinizer05thanks to the great FL-88 fulx I guess10:37
DocScrutinizer05Flux even10:37
DocScrutinizer05it's really all just about proper tools and material10:39
DocScrutinizer05wow, the bots are online again10:39
*** infobot has joined #maemo10:42
*** jmlich has joined #maemo10:47
*** edheldil has joined #maemo10:57
*** lool has quit IRC11:02
*** geaaru has joined #maemo11:09
Maxdamantusffs, does the text database crash with long messages, or what?11:09
MaxdamantusWasn't able to click a message to get to the dialogue that lets me copy it, reopened the SMS window for that contact and it was gone.11:10
Maxdamantusand it's not in the sqlite database.11:10
MaxdamantusGot the person to resend it, but still can't copy it.11:10
* Maxdamantus just typed it manually.11:11
*** lool has joined #maemo11:12
DocScrutinizer05maybe your eventsdb got corrupted?11:13
MaxdamantusMaybe, dunno.11:14
MaxdamantusI haven't actually tried it with other contacts or with the same contact with smaller messages.11:14
Maxdamantusbut once she sent the long message again, I was again unable to select earlier messages (which worker just after reopening the dialogue)11:15
Maxdamantusworked*11:15
MaxdamantusThough my message asking her to resend doesn't seem to be in the db .. dunno if it normally updates periodically or something.11:16
*** Apic has left #maemo11:17
*** Apic has joined #maemo11:17
DocScrutinizer05nope, instantly11:17
*** NIN101 has quit IRC11:17
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo11:18
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# ll ~user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db*11:18
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 910336 2014-07-01 17:20 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db11:18
DocScrutinizer05-rw-r--r-- 1 user users      0 2011-03-06 20:12 /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db-journal11:18
ApicRe.11:18
ApicDocScrutinizer05: You rock.  Just wanted to say that.11:18
DocScrutinizer05o.O11:18
Maxdamantus-rw-------    1 user     users     160.0K Jul  6 23:59 el-v1.db11:18
MaxdamantusCurious last modification time.11:18
MaxdamantusMon Jul  7 20:18:54 NZST 201411:18
Apic=^.^=11:18
Apic11:18
DocScrutinizer05rename dat shite, see if it recovers. will also clean out all your events (call log, text log...)11:19
DocScrutinizer05does the text message contain any special chars or sth. Also, was that a SMS or what?11:21
DocScrutinizer05there's also some buffer used for communication with the modem aiui11:22
DocScrutinizer05at least SMS pending to get sent are piling up there. See cherry11:22
DocScrutinizer05~cherry11:22
DocScrutinizer05:-S11:22
kerioWE LOVE YOU DOC11:23
DocScrutinizer05~+status11:23
infobotSince Mon Jul  7 07:40:19 2014, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 42m 48s this session, and currently reference 119293 factoids.  I'm using about 79464 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.9/0.28 child 0/011:23
DocScrutinizer05o-O what the heck11:23
kerio~factinfo cherry11:23
infoboterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)11:23
infobotkerio: there's no such factoid as cherry11:23
DocScrutinizer05why does everybody love me. That's scary11:23
MaxdamantusHm. After dumping the db as it was then recreating it using the dump, I can see that it saved her message two before she sent the long one.11:23
keriobecause you're cute and cuddly11:24
kerioobviously11:24
Maxdamantuseven though that was this hour, not yesterday.11:24
MaxdamantusThis is stupidly confusing.11:24
MaxdamantusDoes sqlite3 mess with the modification times?11:24
Maxdamantusor does it store messages somewhere else?11:24
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys cherry11:25
infobotFactoid search of 'cherry' by key (4): weathercode cherry point ;; cmd: cherry (.*?) ;; cherry pie ;; cherry vanilla creme.11:25
DocScrutinizer05grrr11:25
*** Kabouik has joined #maemo11:25
keriomaybe someone deleted it11:25
kerio"what the fuck? this isn't about fruit"11:25
DocScrutinizer05hardly11:25
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools11:25
infobotjrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools11:25
MaxdamantusMeh, it's losing stuff again.11:26
MaxdamantusHow does it even happen?11:26
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo11:26
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo cherry is http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription11:26
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0511:26
MaxdamantusWhy can't people use fucking text files?11:26
MaxdamantusAt least then you can comprehend problems.11:27
DocScrutinizer05ask ~poettering ;-)11:27
Maxdamantusand it will probably work even if files get corrupted somehow.11:27
DocScrutinizer05systemd uses binary logging now11:27
DocScrutinizer05prolly mysql, as I know that guy11:27
* Maxdamantus intends to avoid systemd.11:28
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: anyway check ~cherry, it has pointers to some /var/dunno/what location where raw plain text files of SMS are supposed to hide11:28
MaxdamantusOh, it didn't lose messages .. just saw an alert from a week ago for some reason.11:30
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription#Recovering11:30
MaxdamantusO_o11:30
DocScrutinizer05check /var/spool/sms/11:31
DocScrutinizer05>>Cherry will tell the CSD daemon, through CSD's libcsd-sms.so module, to send the SMS directly, bypassing Telepathy and RTCOMM so the SMS is not visible in your Messaging history.<<11:33
DocScrutinizer05suggests it's either telepathy or rtcomm which is supposed to write the SMS to /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db11:33
*** rZr is now known as RzR11:44
*** HRH_H_Crab has quit IRC11:45
MaxdamantusMm, that seems to only have messages that haven't been handled yet.11:46
DocScrutinizer05~cherry11:55
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, cherry is http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription11:55
*** ChanServ sets mode: +v infobot11:57
*** ChanServ sets mode: +v povbot11:57
*** HRH_H_Crab has joined #maemo12:58
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC13:21
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo13:31
*** dhbiker has quit IRC13:34
*** dhbiker has joined #maemo13:37
*** N-Mi has joined #maemo13:39
jpinxI've made the jump to android and now have 2 perfectly good n900's surplus - if anyone's interested13:42
*** protem has quit IRC13:43
*** NIN101 has quit IRC14:17
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo14:17
*** messerting has joined #maemo14:34
*** RedW has joined #maemo14:53
*** lizardo has joined #maemo14:55
keriojpinx: send them to me!14:56
*** at1as has joined #maemo14:56
*** jormungandr has quit IRC15:00
*** jormungandr has joined #maemo15:01
*** em has quit IRC15:09
*** strohalm has quit IRC15:09
*** strohalm has joined #maemo15:09
*** strohalm has joined #maemo15:09
*** em has joined #maemo15:10
*** qwazix has quit IRC15:14
*** RedM has joined #maemo15:15
*** RedW has quit IRC15:16
*** qwazix has joined #maemo15:20
*** felipe` has quit IRC15:22
*** jon_y_ has joined #maemo15:27
*** brolin_empey_ has joined #maemo15:28
*** Xjs|moonshine has quit IRC15:28
*** Luke-Jr has quit IRC15:29
*** jon_y has quit IRC15:29
*** T_X has quit IRC15:29
*** Luke-Jr has joined #maemo15:30
*** ShadowJK_ has joined #maemo15:30
*** N-Mi has quit IRC15:30
*** misv_ has joined #maemo15:30
*** kylanpaj_ has joined #maemo15:30
*** chem|st has quit IRC15:30
*** fil_ has joined #maemo15:30
*** N-Mi has joined #maemo15:30
*** chem|st has joined #maemo15:30
*** DrCode has quit IRC15:30
*** RzR has quit IRC15:30
*** brolin_empey has quit IRC15:30
*** ShadowJK has quit IRC15:31
*** misv has quit IRC15:31
*** amizraa has quit IRC15:31
*** fil has quit IRC15:31
*** kylanpaj has quit IRC15:31
*** T_X has joined #maemo15:31
*** RzR has joined #maemo15:32
*** Xjs|moonshine has joined #maemo15:35
*** LauRoman has joined #maemo15:39
*** totalizator has quit IRC15:45
*** AndroUser2 has joined #maemo15:49
*** totalizator has joined #maemo15:49
*** sledges has quit IRC16:04
*** sledges has joined #maemo16:05
*** sledges has joined #maemo16:05
*** erlehmann has joined #maemo16:20
*** AndroUser2 has quit IRC16:27
*** shamus has joined #maemo16:32
*** pcfe has joined #maemo16:40
*** aloril_ has quit IRC16:44
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC16:49
*** erlehmann has quit IRC16:50
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo16:55
*** aloril_ has joined #maemo16:58
*** b1101 has joined #maemo17:01
*** brolin_empey_ is now known as brolin_empey17:14
*** jmlich has quit IRC17:25
jpinxkerio: how much ? :)17:30
*** jormungandr has quit IRC17:32
*** dvoid_ has quit IRC17:35
*** jon_y_ is now known as jon_y17:52
*** jaykru has joined #maemo18:02
*** jaykru has quit IRC18:16
*** jaykru has joined #maemo18:18
*** auenfx4 has joined #maemo18:24
*** auenf has quit IRC18:25
*** felipe` has joined #maemo18:43
*** rcg has quit IRC18:51
*** DrCode has joined #maemo19:08
*** bluelupo has quit IRC19:13
*** bluelupo has joined #maemo19:15
*** e2718 has joined #maemo19:18
*** florian has quit IRC19:25
*** dvoid has joined #maemo19:45
*** maybeHere has joined #maemo19:56
*** mavhc has quit IRC20:01
*** mavhc has joined #maemo20:02
*** shentey has joined #maemo20:03
*** mavhc has quit IRC20:07
*** mavhc has joined #maemo20:09
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC20:09
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo20:12
*** Snafu777 has quit IRC20:13
*** lufu has joined #maemo20:14
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo20:15
*** BCMM has joined #maemo20:16
*** BCMM has quit IRC20:23
*** infobot has quit IRC20:29
*** BCMM has joined #maemo20:29
*** infobot has joined #maemo20:30
infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!20:30
*** ChanServ sets mode: +v infobot20:30
*** Kabouik has quit IRC20:33
*** geaaru has quit IRC20:40
*** protem has joined #maemo20:51
*** protem has joined #maemo20:51
*** mavhc has quit IRC20:52
*** Kabouik has joined #maemo20:53
*** mavhc has joined #maemo20:55
*** mavhc has quit IRC21:00
*** mavhc has joined #maemo21:02
*** bluelupo has quit IRC21:06
*** robink has quit IRC21:09
*** bluelupo has joined #maemo21:11
*** robink has joined #maemo21:13
*** robink has quit IRC21:18
*** robink has joined #maemo21:23
*** arcean has joined #maemo21:24
*** florian has joined #maemo21:24
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC21:24
*** robink has quit IRC21:29
*** tanty is now known as tanty_off21:30
*** erlehmann has joined #maemo21:31
*** robink has joined #maemo21:37
*** mkaindl has joined #maemo21:40
*** erlehmann has quit IRC21:47
*** N-Mi has quit IRC21:52
*** jaykru has quit IRC22:02
*** amizraa has joined #maemo22:14
*** ShadowJK_ is now known as ShadowJK22:21
*** kerio is now known as Arpad_Elo22:31
*** Arpad_Elo is now known as kerio22:31
*** messerting has quit IRC22:35
*** e2718 has quit IRC22:39
*** Snafu777 has quit IRC22:43
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo22:48
*** mavhc has quit IRC22:52
*** messerting has joined #maemo23:00
*** mavhc has joined #maemo23:03
*** Kabouik has quit IRC23:17
*** Kabouik has joined #maemo23:17
*** bluelupo has quit IRC23:31
*** shentey has quit IRC23:32
*** messerting has quit IRC23:47
*** Snafu777 has quit IRC23:59

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!