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| Gh0sty | hello I was wondering ... | 00:09 |
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| Gh0sty | it's possible to run the n900 as mifi device (sharing 3G over wifi) | 00:10 |
| Gh0sty | but from what I read it's the same as most other linuxes ... it only supports WEP encryption? | 00:11 |
| honestly | as far as I know, yes. | 00:12 |
| honestly | you can also share 3G via usb. | 00:12 |
| Gh0sty | just for my interest but why do android phones support wpa2 accesspoint mode | 00:12 |
| Gh0sty | but thinks like an n900 or for example my laptop don't ? :/ | 00:13 |
| Gh0sty | something to do with the driver or is that even a feature that needs hardware support? | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | who says N900 doesn't support WPA? | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not saysing that it does. Just wondering why you think it doesn't | 00:20 |
| honestly | there are no mobile hotspot apps offering it (: | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it supports WLA(2) for normal (infrastructure) mode device | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WPA | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite possible that the chip doesn't support WPA AP mode, actaully I think the chip doesn't support genuine AP mode at all, it's an emulated AP mode. So you would have to emulate WPA as well, which aiui is what WPA-supplicant is made fore | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -e | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it emulates infrastructure AP by exploiting AdHoc mode which by design can't use WPA. At least that's my take on it | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so when the chip doesn't support WPA but WEP for AdHoc, it's what the emulated AP mode will support too, as long as you don't emulate WPA AP in software, which should be perfectly possible | 00:27 |
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| ShadowJK | it's ad-hoc mode, not ap mode | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | recent androids don't supprot ad-hoc btw | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I said. AdHoc mode simmulating AP mode | 00:43 |
| Gh0sty | ah yes | 00:44 |
| Gh0sty | indeed that was one of the problems | 00:44 |
| Gh0sty | that it's doing ad-hoc so no android device can connect :/ | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and AdHoc only can do WEP, by principle of operation I guess | 00:44 |
| Gh0sty | think it's the same with my laptop | 00:44 |
| Gh0sty | for infrastructure mode the hardware needs to be better? :/ | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not better, just different | 00:45 |
| Gh0sty | well yes :p | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually probably only the firmware needs to be different | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the firmware we got doesn't support AP | 00:45 |
| Gh0sty | ah the firmware is not open from that part of the phone? :/ | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it supports injection :-) | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the firmware of the chip, not the linux system of the phone | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui injection is a sort of "raw" mode that allows you to send whatever you like. So it *can* do proper AP mode when you write (or find) a FOSS software that does the encoding and protocol stack | 00:47 |
| honestly | probably not too hard, just a lot of work. | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cave: this will keep the APE CPU busy and eat your battery like candy | 00:48 |
| Gh0sty | so in other words | 00:48 |
| honestly | om nom electrons. | 00:48 |
| Gh0sty | I will just buy one of those huawei toys :p | 00:49 |
| Gh0sty | if it was easy enough the n900 could still have a purpose but now ... :) | 00:49 |
| Gh0sty | not sure, still sits in the drawer :/ | 00:49 |
| honestly | send it to me for when mine croaks >_> | 00:50 |
| Gh0sty | well the led controller of mine is acting funky | 00:50 |
| Gh0sty | one of the reasons why i bought myself an nexus 5 | 00:50 |
| Gh0sty | not too happy with that one either but ... | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny? | 00:50 |
| javispedro | hm, softapd to the request? | 00:50 |
| javispedro | *to the rescue :) | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: \o/ | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi!!! | 00:51 |
| javispedro | hi! | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: how about coding competition? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or about joining the FPTF team? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard rumors that some weirdo wants to promise a prize of 1000EUR for a fremantle based on open source only and capable to forward cmtspeech audio to an USB attached audiocard instead of modem | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 01:01 |
| javispedro | ah well :) | 01:02 |
| javispedro | if I had the time a systemd-free distro is on the top of my list for now :) | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | further conditions allegedly are: binary compatibility to maemo-extras packages, semi-decent power management | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started is already halfway tehre, maybe even further | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think your understanding of how audio/mixer on N900 works would help a lot on achieving the cmtspeech goal | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (sidenote: it's allowed to import closed blobs from an existing fremantle installation, so the developer has such a system at hand. This wouldn't disqualify the solution) | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | above rule doesn't apply for kernel | 01:07 |
| javispedro | as of lately I have more time and I'm more on this channel, so feel free to ask | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, obviously kernel isn't a closed blob on fremantle, so nevermind | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teams are allowed, the price will get shared on discretion of those who decide, and might even get upgraded | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prize :-S | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | It occurred to me, a possible approach for audio (last resort) would be to treat the USB audio card as a SIP telephony account and just convert RTP to plain S16LE datastream to feed to the card | 01:11 |
| honestly | ugh, this is getting ridiculous | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but of course a genuine modem ("phone") account for the voicecalls would be preferred | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly: honestly? | 01:12 |
| honestly | honestly | 01:12 |
| honestly | my n900 just won't charge properly anymore | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | elaborate! | 01:12 |
| nox- | doesnt that recorder app already record calls too? | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: yep | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: and javispedro understands how it does | 01:13 |
| nox- | ah | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't | 01:13 |
| honestly | there must be a loose contact somewhere | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly: check springs in battery | 01:13 |
| honestly | huh. | 01:14 |
| honestly | okay. | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can gently bend them to "close" | 01:14 |
| honestly | that's a new one | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | using a needle or somesuch tool | 01:14 |
| honestly | seems like the battery is sitting in there very solidly | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it does | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not the springs in phone holding the battery | 01:15 |
| honestly | oh, I see | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the tiny golden critters in the battery's slots | 01:15 |
| honestly | right | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | abusing them makes them gap open | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g by charging battery in external charger with thicker contact blades | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take care not to short anything when you stirr in there with a needle | 01:17 |
| honestly | I haven't done any abusing like that | 01:17 |
| honestly | yeah. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | visual control is OK. Lemme find a photo of a proper contact spring | 01:18 |
| honestly | oh, the phone had turned off due to low battery. | 01:18 |
| honestly | is it possible that it stayed in low-current emergency charging mode? | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120504_002.jpg | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, the first one (almost) | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that took a while, bottom up | 01:24 |
| honestly | yeah, my battery contacts look like that. | 01:25 |
| honestly | let me see if I can't take a better picture :P | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ afk | 01:27 |
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| Apic | Hi. | 12:20 |
| Apic | oot@quartz:/home/apic/MyDocs/Debootstrap# apt-get -mf install aptitude | 12:20 |
| Apic | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 12:20 |
| Apic | hildon-initscripts: Depends: osso-af-startup but it is not going to be installed | 12:20 |
| Apic | libglib2.0-0: Breaks: gvfs (< 1.8) but 1.0.3-3maemo3.2+0m5 is to be installed | 12:20 |
| Apic | How to resolve please? | 12:20 |
| Apic | sysvinit-utils: Breaks: upstart (< 1.5-1) but 0.3.8-67+0m5 is to be installed | 12:20 |
| Apic | E: Broken packages | 12:20 |
| Apic | (I tried apt-get --reinstall install osso-af-startup but it changed not a Thing…( | 12:21 |
| Apic | s/…(/…)/ | 12:21 |
| infobot | Apic meant: (I tried apt-get --reinstall install osso-af-startup but it changed not a Thing…) | 12:21 |
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| Sicelo | Apic: what exactly are you trying to do/achieve? | 12:29 |
| Apic | I want to install patitude | 12:29 |
| Apic | aptitude | 12:29 |
| Iridos | osso? that sounds like maemo, not debian | 12:30 |
| Apic | So it can automagically resolv Stuff for me which apt-get cannot. | 12:30 |
| Apic | I have a Maemo Base System installed | 12:30 |
| Iridos | ops, I am in #maemo :P sorry, thought I was in a different channel, my fault | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | you'll end up with a seriously broken Maem | 12:30 |
| Apic | But added plain Debian to /etc/apt/sources.list.de | 12:30 |
| Apic | Ok. | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | *Maemo | 12:30 |
| Apic | So i cannot install aptitude at all without Breakage? | 12:31 |
| Apic | Then i would like at least debootstrap | 12:31 |
| dos1 | maemo + plain debian? won't work... | 12:31 |
| Apic | So i can set up a chroot Jail on a ext3 Image | 12:31 |
| Apic | Ok | 12:31 |
| Apic | Then i'll remove it from apt/ | 12:31 |
| Apic | Thanks. | 12:31 |
| dos1 | but aptitude from maemo repos should | 12:31 |
| dos1 | (at least to some extend, ncurses ui seems to segfault here) | 12:32 |
| Apic | root@quartz:~# apt-get update && yes|apt-get dist-upgrade | 12:32 |
| Apic | Ok | 12:32 |
| Sicelo | debootstrap from debian does work on Maemo.. if you really need that, just install the deb. don't use debian repos | 12:32 |
| Apic | So how can i install debootstrap? Or shall i rather use my host Laptop with a QEMU-VM? | 12:32 |
| Apic | Ok, i'll try to install the .deb | 12:32 |
| dos1 | but if apt-get cannot resolve dependences, then probably something is broken and aptitude is not likely a proper solution | 12:33 |
| Sicelo | i have 1.0.38 | 12:33 |
| dos1 | and on maemo, you should refrain from "apt-get dist-upgrade" and similar - some maemo specific packages may expect to be installed via HAM and work incorrectly otherwiseHAM | 12:34 |
| Sicelo | and btw Apic .. apt-get is not even recommended on Maemo.. use the built-in application manager as much as possible | 12:34 |
| Sicelo | ah, yes dos1 :) | 12:34 |
| Apic | Sicelo: Of what? | 12:34 |
| dos1 | and apt-get/aptitude may decide that some essential package is not used anymore and remove it | 12:34 |
| Sicelo | of? | 12:34 |
| Sicelo | 1.0.38 ... debootstrap version | 12:35 |
| dos1 | afair there is a popular problem with voip support being automatically removed by apt-get | 12:35 |
| Sicelo | by the way, what do you intend to do with the system installed via debootstrap? | 12:36 |
| Apic | Now i'm using Program Manager „aktualisieren“ (in German - means Update) | 12:37 |
| Apic | I want to do _everything_ Debian can | 12:37 |
| Apic | gcc, emacs, mc, nethack, screen, … | 12:37 |
| Apic | bsdgames, bsdgames-nonfree, other Games… | 12:37 |
| Apic | Maybe even CLANG | 12:38 |
| Apic | Maybe sometime in the Future some Lisp, Forth, Erlang, Haskell… | 12:38 |
| Sicelo | most likely EasyDebian is what you need | 12:38 |
| Apic | GIMP, LibreOffice, … | 12:38 |
| Sicelo | already provides most of what you want | 12:39 |
| Apic | I tried EasyDeb like 23 Times and trashed it everytime | 12:39 |
| Apic | It does not even do ionice -c 3 nice | 12:39 |
| Apic | So it blocks the whole System | 12:39 |
| Apic | Especially when unpacking | 12:39 |
| Apic | And it's helluva outdated | 12:39 |
| Apic | I | 12:39 |
| Sicelo | mine been working fine. just installed htop in it a few minutes ago | 12:39 |
| Apic | I once had a very good own Debian Chroot with debootstrap running | 12:39 |
| Apic | Then it magically broke | 12:39 |
| Apic | So i'll try to set up a new good one now. | 12:40 |
| Sicelo | if you want up-to-date debian, the you'll need a newer kernel as well... therefore, you'll need to boot into that debian. depends how confident you feel about that, but that even the best option | 12:41 |
| Sicelo | of course, you can still break your maemo if you want.. after all, you can always reflash ;) | 12:41 |
| Apic | I'll use Stable instead of Testing then | 12:43 |
| Apic | I'll get debootstrap-udeb_1.0.60~bpo70+1_all.udeb from the Pool now… will that work out? | 12:44 |
| Sicelo | i don't know. i have a lower version than that | 12:45 |
| Sicelo | mayb you need regular deb even.. not sure | 12:46 |
| Apic | ic | 12:46 |
| Apic | Then i'll use debootstrap_1.0.26+squeeze1.tar.gz | 12:46 |
| Apic | I'll be AFIRC for a while, playing Hedgewars | 12:47 |
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| Apic | Ok, back | 12:55 |
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| Apic | root@quartz:/home/apic/debootstrap# make | 12:56 |
| Apic | rm -rf dev | 12:56 |
| Apic | etc … | 12:56 |
| Apic | Seems to run | 12:56 |
| Apic | install -o root -g root -m 0644 devices.tar.gz /usr/share/debootstrap/ | 12:57 |
| Apic | root@quartz:/home/apic/debootstrap# | 12:57 |
| Apic | o/ | 12:57 |
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| Sicelo | which dev are you deleting? :p | 14:13 |
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| dos1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1429737 | 16:01 |
| hurrian | 1802, slightly newer than a Maemo Summit device | 16:05 |
| hurrian | not too exciting, it's pretty close to the final hardware. | 16:07 |
| kerio | is that toilet paper | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: hehe, nice | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thank you freedesktop, Poettering, friends: http://privatepaste.com/363a589b62 | 18:27 |
| ampharos_ | le systemd face | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r33b.net | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | farce? | 18:30 |
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| ecc3g | weird. after a learning cycle on my really old bl5j battery, it claims the capacity increased somewhat... | 20:07 |
| ecc3g | though maybe the previous learned capacity may have been pessimistic, it was 50 charge/discharge cycles ago... | 20:12 |
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| wizbit | I have a strange problem | 20:23 |
| wizbit | My Nokia N900 remains stable, unless i open up the web browser | 20:23 |
| wizbit | then it resets itself | 20:23 |
| Apic | Install Firefox | 20:23 |
| wizbit | i tried the built in browser and opera, both have the same effect | 20:24 |
| wizbit | It even restarted when i opened Yaparri | 20:24 |
| wizbit | this has happened since i changed swap to use micro SSD card | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I'd think the device resets on kernel panic when actually needing swap which is somehow broken/flawed | 20:28 |
| wizbit | ill paste my start-up script | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unrealted to the app which causes incrased RAM usage and thus swap need | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated | 20:29 |
| wizbit | http://dpaste.com/0VE78AZ.txt that is my startup script | 20:30 |
| wizbit | inside /etc/event.d | 20:30 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: first ill make my phone use internal swap | 20:31 |
| wizbit | see if that makes a difference | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, what can I say. looks good. *IF* those swap aprtitions are actually existing and correct and formatted | 20:31 |
| wizbit | strangely my fstab still shows the old swap file | 20:32 |
| wizbit | /dev/mmcblk0p3 none swap sw 0 0 | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that you need a mkswap ? | 20:32 |
| wizbit | yep i did that | 20:32 |
| wizbit | but will redo it | 20:32 |
| wizbit | just incase | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fstab is autogenerated during each boot, and doesn't know of your swap swap | 20:33 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: should swap appear as the first partition or the last partition on the SSD card | 20:33 |
| wizbit | or doesnt it matter | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* don't think that makes much difference - for the swap | 20:34 |
| wizbit | ok | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for general usability I'd put it last | 20:34 |
| wizbit | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1999990784 bytes | 20:35 |
| wizbit | maybe i forgot to do that before :S | 20:36 |
| wizbit | cat /proc/swap | 20:36 |
| wizbit | /dev/mmcblk1p2 partition 1953112 0 -1 | 20:36 |
| wizbit | seems to be working manually now | 20:36 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: should be startup script have a 60 second delay? | 20:37 |
| wizbit | *my | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, I think there are at least half a dozen prove-to-work implementations of alternative swap on N900. I don't feel like debugging the N+1'th | 20:39 |
| wizbit | got lots of apps open now | 20:39 |
| wizbit | stable so far | 20:39 |
| wizbit | before it was a instant restart | 20:39 |
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| wizbit | i must of forgot to do mkswap | 20:40 |
| wizbit | so it wasnt writing to the swap properly | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 20:40 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: is my method of creating a startup-script to initialize the swap the correct way to do it? | 20:41 |
| wizbit | http://dpaste.com/0VE78AZ.txt | 20:42 |
| wizbit | what file can i edit so fstab shows the correct swap at boottime? | 20:42 |
| wizbit | then i wouldnt need to swap on and swap off | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know. please refer to existing solutions | 20:43 |
| wizbit | ok | 20:43 |
| wizbit | seems stable now | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not fstab defining the mounts, it's preinit and rcs doing mounts and fstab gets generated to match the existing mounts - more or less | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is pretty fsckd up regarding fstab and mounting | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's an awk script that gets called to build fstab, *after* everything got mounted | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc CSSU has an improved awk script and even a way to not autobuild fstab during boot | 20:47 |
| wizbit | /etc/event.d/rcS-late is the best solution | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take all of the above with a grain of salt, I didn't look into this stuff for literally years | 20:48 |
| wizbit | it works!!!! | 20:49 |
| wizbit | after a reboot | 20:49 |
| wizbit | /dev/mmcblk1p2 partition 1953112 0 -1 | 20:49 |
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| Apic | o/ | 20:51 |
| wizbit | dam it just restarted again | 20:52 |
| wizbit | arghghghghghg | 20:52 |
| dos1 | damn it | 20:53 |
| wizbit | maybe something wrong with the actual partitions i created with cfdisk | 20:53 |
| dos1 | I have one bl-4j battery | 20:53 |
| wizbit | could the battery cause restarts? | 20:54 |
| dos1 | and when I slide the keyboard too fast it restarts :< | 20:54 |
| dos1 | on standard bl-5j's it doesn't happen | 20:54 |
| dos1 | annoying | 20:55 |
| wizbit | im replacing the battery | 20:55 |
| dos1 | hah, you were talking about restarts as well? :D | 20:55 |
| wizbit | with standard one see if it makes a differnce | 20:55 |
| dos1 | my post was unrelated - just got angry at my device that just restarted ;) | 20:55 |
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| dos1 | my restart is easily reproductible and happens exactly when sliding out the keyboard fast | 20:57 |
| dos1 | probably it makes some battery contact to loose a bit due to it being a bit smaller than it should be | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 20:59 |
| kerio | why are you using a 4j instead of a 5j | 20:59 |
| kerio | why would anyone go for a smaller battery instead of a bigger one? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly ;-P | 20:59 |
| dos1 | I got it with some other phone, and I have no USB on N900 | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use a 2 layers of paper in the notch of the battery in center of conatct side | 21:00 |
| dos1 | so when 5j goes flat, I replace it with 4j and charge 5j with some old nokia with broken screen :P | 21:00 |
| wizbit | i had a akkro polarcell in mine stuck a bl-5j in it now | 21:00 |
| wizbit | no difference just restarted :( | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 21:01 |
| dos1 | actually I have second 5j somewhere as well, so this 4j here is rather temporary until I overcome my laziness and try to find it :P | 21:01 |
| wizbit | i will use internal swap for a while now | 21:01 |
| Guest2277 | RIP N900 2010-2014 #neverforget | 21:04 |
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| FIQ | the 4j actually works inserting in N900 like that? | 21:06 |
| FIQ | I thought you needed a specific nokia battery for each model (well, almost) | 21:06 |
| FIQ | or is it only a matter of sizes? | 21:07 |
| ecc3g | it should be just sizes, they're all Li-ion cells inside plus that size indication resistor... | 21:08 |
| ecc3g | just hope that the pinout remains the same. | 21:09 |
| FIQ | mhm | 21:09 |
| FIQ | hm | 21:10 |
| FIQ | my N900 screen broke | 21:10 |
| FIQ | it's trivial to fix, but meh | 21:10 |
| FIQ | not willing to do it when it's going to fall apart in any second anyway given its current state otherwise | 21:10 |
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| wizbit | no matter what i do | 23:26 |
| wizbit | the n900 will crash if i use swap on the sd card | 23:26 |
| wizbit | could it be my sd card is too slow | 23:26 |
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| ecc3g | my n900 will crash with swap on sd, and I open the back cover... | 23:27 |
| wizbit | im using cfdisk to partition it | 23:27 |
| wizbit | maybe thats the problem | 23:27 |
| dos1 | ecc3g: well, sd becomes unavailable when back cover is open, so that would be expected :P | 23:30 |
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| ecc3g | but of course... | 23:31 |
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| wizbit | how strange | 23:44 |
| wizbit | if i manually do swap on and swap off | 23:44 |
| wizbit | it doesnt crash | 23:45 |
| wizbit | if i set the partition in rcS-late it does crash | 23:45 |
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