IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-06-06

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ecc3gis there a way to kill a particular program when the screen locks?03:06
ecc3ghmm nevermind, that won't work.03:09
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: also sounds like a weird idea03:59
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sixwheeledbeastmaybe if we knew your issue we could help :)13:36
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Apichttp://pix.apic.name  - spot the Fnord.16:43
Apichttp://pix.apic.name/1d.jpg   - NOW spot the Fnord.16:45
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StecKmanthis is n9 with meego and the warehouse. when I try to install some packages, it complains that 'is not user package'18:42
StecKmanhoe can I install those?18:43
StecKman how*18:43
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AggeDocScrutinizer05: do you know what it meens when the led on a N900 blinks red quicly when it is conected to the charger and after that dont do anything19:15
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kerioAgge: a problem with charging19:24
Aggeyeah but is it a problem with the battery or the charger?19:24
Aggethe phone do not start right now19:25
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Siceloread or amber?19:32
Sicelo*red19:32
Aggered19:34
keriored flashes indicate some sort of problem i think19:41
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Aggekerio: yes that I know. what would be helpfull is what kind of problem20:11
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DocScrutinizer05Agge: usually battery dead20:15
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DocScrutinizer05probably shorted20:16
AggeDocScrutinizer05: thank you. suspected that but dident know for sure. P.S. one of the batteries that come with one of the china N900s20:17
DocScrutinizer05waitaminute20:17
DocScrutinizer05testing20:17
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AggeDocScrutinizer05: ?20:19
sixwheeledbeastI would suspect the battery, if you have multiple of any devices/batteries/chargers you can easily diagnose this.20:19
Aggeactualy a one of the friends that I got one of the china phones that have the problem. but we vill test with an other battery20:19
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DocScrutinizer05a plain massive short on the two power pins of phone batt connector doesn't do anything yet. Adding random "BSI resistor" (with wet finger ;-D ) makes LED shine *green*20:23
DocScrutinizer05obviously all that gets handles by NOLO, since nothing else is fast enough and smart enough to do that stuff20:24
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DocScrutinizer05s/dles/dled/20:24
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: obviously all that gets handled by NOLO, since nothing else is fast enough and smart enough to do that stuff20:24
DocScrutinizer05whatever NOLO thinks is wrong with battery, will make it cause red flashing20:25
DocScrutinizer05too high series impedance (very old broken battery) might be a probably cause20:25
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AggeDocScrutinizer05: that reminds me the china N900 I got from Ebay the charger for them have the same serial number and the one I opened was realy a low quality chip20:27
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, sure. Overvoltage on USB *might* be another reason for NOLO to flash red20:29
keriojust don't buy cheap stuff with regards to batteries or chargers20:30
DocScrutinizer05all this at least conveniently explains why Nokia never dared to opensource NOLO, it's basically an augmented BME in this regard, so same concerns apply20:31
Aggeyeah but the low quality charger have not been used for several weeks20:31
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AggeNOLD?20:40
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hxkaDocScrutinizer05: What concerns?21:05
hxkaAgge: NOkia LOader21:05
DocScrutinizer05hxka: "providing source of BME creates liability for hackers blowing up their bollocks with exploding batteries"21:07
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DocScrutinizer05hxka: which of course is 100% BS, since N900 not even in hardware can make battery blow up21:07
dos1and even without that, it's BS anyway, as not providing source would be actually more dangerous, as there will be always someone willing to RE that blob and reimplement it21:09
DocScrutinizer05but that probably been cargo cult caution at Nokia's side. No real clue how BME works (thanks to outsourcing), and been bitten by a callback of 46mio batteries21:09
dos1with source it would be much easier for him to avoid any possible dangers :P21:09
DocScrutinizer05dos1: we used that argument several times, but to no success. Sth inside Nokia forbid any movement in that question, possibly again outsourcing which maybe came with some sort of liability the subcontractor accepted. And Nokia not willing to risk this21:10
DocScrutinizer05think: "Hitachi not only buolds LiIon cells, they also provide charging knowhow, and warranty that their cells behave - *only* when nobody touches the charger they provide"21:12
DocScrutinizer05builds*21:13
DocScrutinizer05or make Hitachi Mitsubishi21:13
DocScrutinizer05or seiko21:13
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DocScrutinizer05you name it21:13
DocScrutinizer05but heck, Nokia even outright refused to tell us about *parameters* needed for sane charging, like max I, max U, max Temp etc21:16
DocScrutinizer05which gives a strong indication that they most likely had no clue themselves about it21:17
DocScrutinizer05some nokia affiliate once told me he had a look into BME sources and it made his eyes bleed badly21:18
DocScrutinizer05and I'm more than conviced about that, given I seen bme accessing register #40 of a chip that has six registers21:19
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kerioit's a secret register21:19
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DocScrutinizer05no it's not, I checked that21:19
kerioit's a REALLY secret register21:20
DocScrutinizer05it's siply a mirrored addr of one of the 6 existing registers21:20
kerioanyway, pali's bme is sane21:20
DocScrutinizer05sure, pali's bme is based on my specs how it must work21:20
DocScrutinizer05;-P21:20
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