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| _jester_ | hello world | 04:01 |
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| _jester_ | anyone alive ? | 04:01 |
| _jester_ | cause i was seriously thinking of starting development on the platform but the sdk links to the nokia site are all dead | 04:02 |
| _jester_ | so only wondering where i could get the files from | 04:02 |
| bef0rd | ~vm | 04:06 |
| infobot | Emacs-based mail reader. URL: http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ | 04:06 |
| bef0rd | ~maemo-vm | 04:07 |
| bef0rd | ~maemo-sdk | 04:07 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/ | 04:07 |
| bef0rd | ~maemo-sdk-vm | 04:07 |
| Maxdamantus | http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 04:07 |
| Maxdamantus | (the VM image) | 04:08 |
| bef0rd | _jester_: there is a vm image, the one that linked Maxdamantus | 04:08 |
| Luke-Jr | _jester_: that's because this platform is long dead | 04:08 |
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| _jester_ | thanks | 04:37 |
| _jester_ | well, i wont call it dead, some of its applications just need an upgrade | 04:39 |
| _jester_ | if i had the environment set up, id probably update a few of em or make new ones | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | /topic | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~scratchbox | 05:54 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 05:54 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | "firmware" see ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk: ~sb | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet" | 05:57 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sb | 05:58 |
| infobot | hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 05:58 |
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| vdv | hi all | 12:46 |
| vdv | have a problem with my old n900, display is turning off/on randomly, any idea if that is hardware or software problem? | 12:47 |
| vdv | googled a lot, found no one with such problem | 12:47 |
| vdv | how can deactivate lock button on the right side of n900? | 12:49 |
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| vdv | maybe it's proximity sensor failure? | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you reflash? | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please cover up upper left (portrait) corner of screen | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen backlight is supposed to shut down at very high ambient light | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probe for ambient light is done every maybe 10s | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ALS sensor is upper left corner | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | proximity shouldn't dim screen except when on phonecall | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but there are apps to do that nevertheless. That's why I asked if you did a reflash | 13:14 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, i did reflash two or three years ago | 13:23 |
| vdv | to get latest official release | 13:23 |
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| vdv | didn't expriment with device last two years | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when screen goes "dark" is it only the backlight or also the complete content of LCD vanishing? | 13:36 |
| vdv | complete content | 13:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe even only LCD goes black but backlight stays on? | 13:37 |
| vdv | nope | 13:37 |
| vdv | keyboard is turn off too | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter only visible in the dark | 13:37 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, noticed, that issue first appeared after some small square and black piece fall from the back of the device | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the former only visible in bright daylight | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 13:38 |
| vdv | back cover was opened | 13:38 |
| vdv | )) | 13:38 |
| vdv | it was approx 3mmx3mm square | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a black square on screen? | 13:38 |
| vdv | nope | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sharp edges? | 13:38 |
| vdv | under the back cover | 13:38 |
| vdv | plastic | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 13:38 |
| vdv | i don't know how to name it ) | 13:39 |
| vdv | where battery located | 13:40 |
| vdv | i opened cover to change sim | 13:40 |
| vdv | wanted to close again | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme re-read what you posted | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang! | 13:41 |
| vdv | small square piece from plastic, approx 3mmx3mm | 13:42 |
| vdv | maybe little bigger | 13:42 |
| vdv | suppose it was covering some sensor or so | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with a few silver dots on one side and a ying&yang alike line on the other? | 13:42 |
| vdv | nope, it was pure plastic, no parts from the inside ) | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errr | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird | 13:43 |
| vdv | i don't know maybe it doesn't influence issue with display | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any such plastic for all I can imagine is completely unrelated to display light. Unless it's been the slider magnet | 13:44 |
| vdv | just coincidence | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that ould hardly fall out of backside of phone | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would* | 13:44 |
| vdv | right | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is your slider properly detected | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 13:45 |
| vdv | yes, display turns on/unlocks when opened | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 13:45 |
| vdv | and off when closed | 13:45 |
| torindel | most probably he broke one of holding clips from backcover | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah possibly | 13:45 |
| vdv | yes | 13:46 |
| vdv | think so | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's one such thing at camera end of back cover | 13:46 |
| vdv | another hypothesis is lock switch is broken | 13:46 |
| vdv | on the right side | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, can't see that | 13:47 |
| vdv | and triggers on/off spontaneously | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, *maybe* | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that would be quite weird a failure pattern | 13:47 |
| vdv | is it possible to turn it off on the software side? | 13:48 |
| vdv | disable it | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, in theory for sure | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, I know: do a `stop mce` | 13:48 |
| vdv | and? | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and see what happens | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it reliably stops most of all ways to dim screen | 13:50 |
| vdv | i see | 13:50 |
| vdv | i'll try | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more lockslider button, no more timeout, no ALS | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen should stay on | 13:50 |
| vdv | bad news are, that issue is not such easy to reproduce by intention | 13:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need root | 13:50 |
| vdv | i.e. i cannot trigger it | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's bad | 13:51 |
| vdv | not easy to test | 13:51 |
| vdv | sometimes i think that it's gone | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I suspect flex breakage | 13:51 |
| vdv | but next day i find device discharged in case | 13:52 |
| vdv | because of display was on whole day | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, yes. when it's locked it for sure mustn't unlock | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless some shitty app for proximity sensor got installed | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest reflash | 13:53 |
| vdv | would be time kill if it's a hardware problem | 13:53 |
| vdv | i'll try first with deactivating mce | 13:54 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, power button is also not working with stopped mce )) | 13:58 |
| bencoh | seems reasonable | 13:58 |
| vdv | if it would work, then my problem could be considered as solved | 13:59 |
| vdv | how can disable automatic display turn off? in settings it's possible only set maximum timeout of 2 minutes | 14:00 |
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| vdv | lock switch is very sensitive | 14:03 |
| vdv | i don't have to slide it maximum to lock/unlock | 14:03 |
| vdv | just small shift triggers lock | 14:04 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, if i post dpkg -l somewhere can you take a look at it? maybe some obscure app indeed "plays" with display | 14:05 |
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| vdv | just in case: http://pastebin.com/XyEHRtW3 | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: your lockslider switch is defect, disassemble and check! | 14:09 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, could be defect in such a way, that it's triggered even if i don't touch it? | 14:11 |
| vdv | because sometimes display turns off/on if device is on table and i don't even touch it | 14:12 |
| vdv | and also no calls, no usb connection | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | check your syslog (install it when you didn't yet) - it logs all lockslider events on kernel level | 14:28 |
| vdv | makes sense, thanks | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:24:39 IroN900 kernel: [ 3.100524] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:26:06 IroN900 kernel: [ 93.730346] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:26:11 IroN900 kernel: [ 98.910156] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 14:29 |
| vdv | i see | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 14:29 |
| vdv | thanks | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:44:35 IroN900 kernel: [ 1203.050720] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:44:35 IroN900 kernel: [ 1203.292877] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:51:59 IroN900 kernel: [ 1646.628936] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:51:59 IroN900 systemui-tklock[1226]: Method call received from: :1.10, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_open | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 9 01:51:59 IroN900 kernel: [ 1647.089752] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/1c4727f130 | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a slightly more comprehensive view of stop mce; start mce with a number of lockslider events: http://privatepaste.com/b38e022d6b | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blocking lockslider on kernel level is also possible, but not exactly trivial | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth along echo foo >/sys/*/*/buttons/113/*/* | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | less '+F' /var/log/syslog is fun | 14:54 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, does value written in /sys/*/*/buttons/113/*/* also persisted? | 15:05 |
| vdv | i.e. will not disappear after restart | 15:05 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, "start mce with a number of lockslider events" <-- what do you mean? | 15:06 |
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| vdv | there's only log in paste | 15:07 |
| vdv | no commands to start mce with a number of lockslider events | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140504_003.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140504_004.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140504_005.jpg lockslider switch | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's stop mce, a number of lockslider events, and start mce event in log | 15:08 |
| vdv | ah, ok | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((does value written in /sys/*/*/buttons/113/*/* also persisted?)) no | 15:10 |
| vdv | is it possible that lockslider oscillate if i even don't touch device? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I see this every few days with a mechanical movement detector in a remote-control | 15:11 |
| vdv | ok | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suddenly it activates button backlight even while sitting calmly on the shelf. For sure a walking in the room suffices to trigger it then, when it got that hypernervous state | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when the spring in the switch is broken, it will behave exactly similar | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the photos you see a triangle notch which gets pushed down by slider motion from right to left | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err left to right, sorry | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it must have a noticable spring loaded force when you operate it by sliding your nail from left to right over it. And it has a audible ping tone when it gets released and snaps up again | 15:15 |
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| vdv | i see | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you can probbaly trigger the problem by slightly knocking the device backside under the lockslider, while holding device with screen facing upward | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should definitely install and check syslog | 15:28 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, thanks a lot, i'll definitely debug with syslog | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:51 |
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| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, display turns on, but syslog says: ".. is now closed" | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 15:56 |
| vdv | i monitoring now with tail -f /var/log/syslog | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed -> the slider is engaged | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open -> the slider switch got released again | 15:58 |
| vdv | ah, then makes sense | 15:58 |
| vdv | i pressed power button two times to turn display off, put device on shelf and observed line with "... is now closed" on my terminal | 15:59 |
| vdv | looked at my n900 and display was on | 16:00 |
| vdv | and it's still on ) | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to test lockslider it doesn't help to operate powerbutton | 16:00 |
| vdv | now turned off, maybe because of 2 minutes setting | 16:00 |
| vdv | i see | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | engage lock slider button, watch for kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed. Release it and watch for kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | both shall show up instantly in syslog | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see timestamps in http://privatepaste.com/1c4727f130 | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I engaged lockslider switch for 0.2 .. 1s | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus you always see a | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | May 4 13:56:35 IroN900 kernel: [108029.025146] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | May 4 13:56:36 IroN900 systemui-tklock[1239]: Method call received from: :1.1408, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_open | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | May 4 13:56:36 IroN900 kernel: [108029.329559] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sequence | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes I'm faster than the system, so the systemui-tklock message shows up after the kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 16:05 |
| vdv | think, it's now clear, that lockslider is triggered randomly without engaging or releasing it explicitly | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's triggered by the kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya | 16:05 |
| vdv | and that wakes up display | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your switch is broken | 16:06 |
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| vdv | now i'll try to disable it in kernel | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck! | 16:06 |
| vdv | and if it works maybe put command somewhere in boot script? | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google searchterm /sys/bus/platform/drivers/gpio-switch/unbind | 16:11 |
| vdv | there's no buttons node in /sys | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch | 16:14 |
| vdv | GPIO 0x48002110 is the CAM_B_EN signal of N900, which could change the camera to A or B. | 16:15 |
| vdv | or it's some other "gpio" | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's roundabout 250 GPIO on SoC | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're talking about GPIO113 here | 16:16 |
| vdv | )) | 16:16 |
| vdv | understood ) | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gpio | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 16:17 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf gpio | 16:17 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what gpio means... | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gpio is General Purpose Input/Output (a CPU pin for universal configurable use as either input or output) | 16:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, gpio is General Purpose Input/Output (a CPU pin for universal configurable use as either input or output). A CPU (particularly SoC) has hundreds of them, usually | 16:19 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, gpio is General Purpose Input/Output (a CPU pin for universal configurable use as either input or output). A CPU (particularly SoC) has hundreds of them, usually. On linux, see /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch | 16:20 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 16:20 |
| vdv | there's slide node in gpio-switch | 16:21 |
| vdv | and it has disable with value 0 | 16:21 |
| vdv | maybe set it to 1? | 16:21 |
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| vdv | and see what happens? ) | 16:21 |
| vdv | or kb_lock | 16:22 |
| vdv | probably kb_lock | 16:22 |
| vdv | exactly | 16:23 |
| vdv | it's kb_lock | 16:23 |
| vdv | lockslider doesn't work now | 16:23 |
| vdv | hope it'll solve my original problem | 16:24 |
| vdv | DocScrutinizer05, where should i put "echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/kb_lock/disable" now? not in rcS, right? ) | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow! | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 1>disable works? | 16:26 |
| vdv | yes | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | coolo! | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait | 16:27 |
| vdv | is that sarcasm? )) | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 16:27 |
| vdv | ok ) | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually yes, I'd add it to /etc/init.d/rcS, way to the buttom, among the other echo commands you find there | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly directly before "exit 0" line | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I got some funny garbage heritage there: | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2" | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 65536 > /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_default | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" should give you some idea about the risks involved in editing this file ;-) | 16:34 |
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| vdv | )) | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: you still alive? | 16:56 |
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| vdv | yep | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vdv: wouldn't be the first time we never again heard of somebody trying to edit initscripts ;-) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you already edited and booted? | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should get BM installed before you do | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bm | 16:57 |
| infobot | somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 16:57 |
| vdv | )) i'm not a guru of course, but also not a newbie ) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also recoveryOS should come in handy, just in case | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~recoveros | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~recoveryos | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rescueos | 16:59 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure BM is simpler and more convenient to use | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rescueOS is prolly smarter, using BM shell is even more smart | 17:00 |
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| vdv | never heard of both, seems rescueOS is like livecd | 17:02 |
| vdv | rescueOS must not be flashed on device in advance right? | 17:02 |
| vdv | failed boot -> boot rescueOS -> fix -> boot normally , right? | 17:03 |
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| vdv | and BootMenu is like lilo or grub? | 17:05 |
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| jon_y | vdv: actually rescueOS can be put on-device | 17:16 |
| jon_y | via uboot | 17:17 |
| jon_y | my n900 has it onboard | 17:17 |
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