| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* got my hardcoded IPs in rtc/hosts still. I wonder how many of the community do | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | etc* | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also got my complete local backup of tabletsdev | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if I want or need mirrors of base repos, tools, SDK | 00:02 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: don't worry, there is always a solution ... | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 00:04 |
| bencoh | I mirrored most of nokia's repos btw | 00:04 |
| wizbit | got fbcon working :D | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we could publish a note on /. about "please open HAM, click "catalogs" in menu, then "new", then enter the following settings..." | 00:05 |
| bencoh | DocScrutinizer05: how big are extras{,-testing,-devel} and community{,-testing,-devel,-thumb} btw ? | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask xes | 00:06 |
| xes | wizbit: warning, pay attention to fbcon it's a crash generator... | 00:06 |
| wizbit | its not safe to use? | 00:06 |
| bencoh | xes: how big are extras/community repos ? | 00:06 |
| xes | bencoh: more than 750 GB | 00:07 |
| bencoh | wow | 00:07 |
| Ashley` | my hdd is 180GB :v | 00:08 |
| bencoh | that seems huge (even compared to debian) | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty bloated | 00:08 |
| bencoh | do you keep archives of old builds/packages ? | 00:08 |
| xes | but probably there are a few duplicates not used | 00:08 |
| bencoh | I hope so | 00:08 |
| bencoh | I guess I should try apt-mirroring it and see what it says to have a more accurate value | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tabletsdev alone is >30GB | 00:09 |
| xes | bencoh: no | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the maemo-extras[-*] repos are the least problematic | 00:10 |
| bencoh | no I shouldnt, or no it wont be more accurate ? | 00:10 |
| bencoh | (yesterday I considered mirroring it as well then thought it might be a bit heavy on maemo infra) | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hosted in a safe place, on a decent machine, by respected competent sysops | 00:11 |
| bencoh | aren't they run by hifo as well ? | 00:12 |
| xes | bencoh: example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/m/modrana/ | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, maemo infra can cope with that easily, as long as you don't access web content managed by midgard | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Apt-mirror | 00:14 |
| bencoh | that's what I used ;) | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 00:17 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 00:17 |
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| bencoh | oh :) | 00:20 |
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| Rotacidni | Hi | 00:45 |
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| Rotacidni | I have a N900, and I love it. But the hardware is inevitable out-of-date. | 00:46 |
| Rotacidni | I feel sorry that I have to buy a new android based phone maybe. | 00:46 |
| Rotacidni | Do you have any idea on where Maemo will go? | 00:47 |
| Rotacidni | I recently successfully paired my google glass with N900 with bluetooth PAN. | 00:48 |
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| wizbit | i wonder if this will work in maemo5 | 00:52 |
| wizbit | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/maemo.jacekowski.org/pool/free/c/chromium/ | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Rotacidni: maybe neo900 is an alternative for you? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway it's probably the only direction "maemo will go" | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe even towards newer and better CPU once we ported fremantle to another OMAP and liberated the closed blobs | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with Neo901 though | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 will have a DM3730 OMAP3 CPU | 01:38 |
| okias | Rotacidni: but rather than Android phone Jolla | 01:38 |
| okias | Rotacidni: at least it does use more than modded linux kernel.. | 01:38 |
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| bencoh | hmmm | 01:43 |
| bencoh | kinda | 01:43 |
| bencoh | jolla's still a frankenstein androphone | 01:43 |
| bencoh | (and it seems they intend to keep it this way) | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even worse in my book: it keeps the paradigm that made harmattan/N9 unattractive to me. N9 been the first *phone* in the whole series. everything before been a Nokia Internet Tablet, read: a palmtop computer. N9 and Jolla clearly left behind the computer paradigm and went "phone with apps" | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on harmattan it's blatantly obvious: edit anything in system config and you get a malfuntion on next boot and need to reflash | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user is just that: a *user* who mustn't touch the system | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wanna *own* my device, that's why I went with linux phones to begin with | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I want that other concept, then damn sure I rather would've gone with iPhone or winphone | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't need Nokia's me-too appearance to join the mainstream of sheep without any power on their own devices | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or let me put it this way: when I need to root my phone, I will make sure it's worth it | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or yet another ~5 years old saying: "jailbreak? LOL! on myPhone i'm root!" | 01:55 |
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| Mike11 | file manager on my nokia n900 says no files/folders , I see that /dev/mmcblk0p1 is not mounted in x-terminal, if I try to mount it it says "mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1on /home/user/MyDocs failed: Invalid argument" | 08:36 |
| Mike11 | tried "fsck -a /dev/mmcblk0p1" , ended up with "Logical sector size is zero." | 08:38 |
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| Mike11 | any ideas , please help me :) | 08:39 |
| Mike11 | I don't need the information that were on MyDocs | 08:40 |
| Mike11 | I just want to be able to use my memory again :( | 08:40 |
| Mike11 | without flashing the whole formware | 08:40 |
| Mike11 | firmware* | 08:40 |
| Mike11 | please help me and thanks :) | 08:40 |
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| andre__ | Mike11, how do you "try to mount" | 08:49 |
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| Maxdamantus | Mike11: can you mount it when it's plugged in to a computer? | 08:52 |
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| wizbit | if i ssh into my n900, after a little bit, my dmesg fills up with: wlan0: driver reports beacon loss from AP cf1bf52c - sending probe request | 09:14 |
| wizbit | im running: Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-power52 #1 PREEMPT Sat Apr 6 11:59:23 UTC 2013 armv7l unknown | 09:14 |
| wizbit | i do have fbcon switched on | 09:14 |
| Mike11 | andre__ , mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 09:16 |
| Mike11 | Maxdamantus, no I can't | 09:16 |
| Mike11 | I managed to get my mmcblk0p1 accessible again by reformatting it | 09:17 |
| Mike11 | mkfs.vfat -F32 -s64 /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 09:17 |
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| Mike11 | thank you guys :) | 09:18 |
| Mike11 | but now I have another problem please help me | 09:19 |
| Mike11 | the size of MyDocs is now 27 GB only | 09:19 |
| Mike11 | it used to be 30 GB on my phone | 09:19 |
| Maxdamantus | Are you sure it's not 27 GiB? | 09:19 |
| Maxdamantus | (which is probably about 30 GB) | 09:19 |
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| Mike11 | there are some lost blocks when I print the partition table using sfdisk -d /dev/mmcblk0 | 09:20 |
| Mike11 | just a moment , Maxdamantus :) | 09:21 |
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| Mike11 | Maxdamantus, no it is 27 GB | 09:24 |
| Mike11 | and there are no "lost blocks" , I was messing things up as always :( | 09:24 |
| Mike11 | but how come, I have only 2 GB as "Memory for installable applications" | 09:25 |
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| Maxdamantus | Isn't that about the usual size? | 09:26 |
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| Maxdamantus | 27 + 2 = 29 .. sounds like what I'd expect. | 09:27 |
| Mike11 | isn't the NAND flash of about 32 GB??? | 09:28 |
| Maxdamantus | since there's also swap on the mmc. | 09:28 |
| Maxdamantus | Ah, yes, probably. | 09:28 |
| Maxdamantus | Was thinking in GiB. | 09:28 |
| Mike11 | is mmcblk0p3 the swap partition?? | 09:28 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 09:30 |
| Mike11 | anyways here is the partition table of my mmcblk0p1 | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | mmcnlk0*** | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | mmcblk0**** | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | # partition table of /dev/mmcblk0 | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | unit: sectors | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | /dev/mmcblk0p1 : start= 64, size= 56631296, Id= c | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 : start= 56631360, size= 4194304, Id=83 | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | /dev/mmcblk0p3 : start= 60825664, size= 1572864, Id=82 | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | /dev/mmcblk0p4 : start= 0, size= 0, Id= 0 | 09:33 |
| Mike11 | but I have about 2 GB of memory for installable applications , and 27.22GB of memory for user files, when going to settings -> memory | 09:35 |
| Mike11 | how is that?? | 09:35 |
| Maxdamantus | applications go in /home/opt or something. | 09:35 |
| Maxdamantus | rather than /home/user/MyDocs, which is where the 27 GB filesystem is mounted. | 09:36 |
| Maxdamantus | applications usually expect to be stored on a POSIX-compatible filesystem, not something like FAT32. | 09:36 |
| Maxdamantus | If you're not expecting to be using it as a mass storage device very often, you might want to scrap the FAT partition and just make a single ext2/3 one. | 09:38 |
| Mike11 | is the block here of size 512kb ?? | 09:38 |
| Maxdamantus | You could mount it on a computer using something like sshfs, either over WiFi or over g_ether (where the phone acts as a USB ethernet device) | 09:39 |
| Maxdamantus | no, it'll be 512 bytes.\ | 09:40 |
| wizbit | i didnt realise the n900 has a micro sd slot | 09:41 |
| Mike11 | I have another nokia n900 with exactly the same partition table, but has about 4GB of memory for installable applications , when going to settings -> memory :o | 09:41 |
| Mike11 | what is wrong ?! | 09:42 |
| Maxdamantus | Mike11: df -hT /dev/mmcblk0p2 | 09:42 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm. That partition should be about 2 GiB. | 09:43 |
| Maxdamantus | so the filesystem shouldn't be larger. | 09:43 |
| Maxdamantus | Maybe do that on both devices. | 09:43 |
| Mike11 | Maxdamantus sorry you were right :) | 09:46 |
| Mike11 | both are 2 GB , but the visual bar on the settings -> memory was tricking me :) | 09:46 |
| Mike11 | thanks for your help Maxdamantus :) | 09:46 |
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| intgr | The https://bugs.maemo.org/ certificate has expired | 12:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | intgr: they have all expired http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93003 | 15:25 |
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| intgr | lol the first post certainly isn't true. But whatever. | 15:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wishes http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93003 had rather been posted to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89273 | 16:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good sailfish blog: http://dontbreakthesails.blogspot.de/2014/04/sailfish-silica-half-open-sourced.html | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | intgr: we tried to get a proper cert a year ago, and failed. We went for per-VM free certs. Now Falk started a new effort to get a domain wildcard cert, but the preconditions didn't change: we still don't own maemo.org domain so it probably still isn't possible to get a wildcard cert | 16:29 |
| Sicelo | quic android question - is there a 'simple' free way to remotely control a android phone? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, get a good rifle | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | remote control over distances up to 2000m | 16:30 |
| Sicelo | lolz | 16:30 |
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| Maxdamantus | Android isn't even remotely controllable. | 16:32 |
| Sicelo | ok. one of my friends has some samsung note, and they need assistance | 16:35 |
| Sicelo | btw, my N900 is now also coming up with the no-SIM thing. :'( | 16:35 |
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| jaska | hmm, i guess you could get a wildcard cert from those providers that allow you to confirm by mail to admin@domain etc | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: seems that cursory authentication is only used for non-wildcard certs | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually they will send a mail to whatever shows up for admin-c or whatever in whois of the domain | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tech-c, dunno | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's all *@nokia.com | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Registrant Email:dnsauthority@nokia.com | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Admin Email:dnsauthority@nokia.com | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Tech Email:hostmaster@nokia.com | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: my friend also has a Note-II now (I recommended it to her), so if you ever find out how to do that remote access please let me know | 18:34 |
| jaska | doc: atleast alphassl will do admin@domain or webmaster@domain | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also for wildcard certs? | 18:37 |
| jaska | yeah | 18:37 |
| jaska | atleast when i got some recently | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ^^^ | 18:37 |
| jaska | ymmw but workedforme(tm) | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jaska: thanks! :-) | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | priceless spam: >> Dear council, Have you noticed how you have become so fat and hopeless? Of course not!...<< | 20:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 doublechecks if it's actually spam | 20:01 | |
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| jaska | :D | 20:13 |
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| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: phone is working awesome, thanks for your help | 21:29 |
| wizbit | going to do a few more finishing touches then back it up | 21:29 |
| wizbit | i didnt realise the n900 can take a micro ssd card | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: what is micro ssd card? | 21:30 |
| freemangordon | or it is a typo? | 21:30 |
| wizbit | *micro sd | 21:30 |
| wizbit | or maybe thats what is in use at the moment | 21:31 |
| wizbit | i thought maybe 32gb is built in and there is another slot for a extra card? | 21:32 |
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| freemangordon | wizbit: yes, there is uSD card slot | 21:33 |
| freemangordon | and 32GB of built-in flash + 256MB of NAND | 21:33 |
| wizbit | wow :D | 21:33 |
| wizbit | freemangordon: would it be a good idea to use the extra one for swap? | 21:34 |
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| freemangordon | that would be very very good idea | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | most of us do it | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | what? | 21:34 |
| freemangordon | nope what? havin swap on uSD is a good idea | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends | 21:35 |
| wizbit | what is the maximum size card for the uSD slot? | 21:35 |
| wizbit | 32GB, ive seen 64GB ones advertised | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: I am using 64GB | 21:35 |
| wizbit | nice | 21:35 |
| wizbit | most brands will work ok? | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | should | 21:35 |
| wizbit | will it get auto detected at boot time? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | between "should" and "do" there's a huge gap here | 21:36 |
| wizbit | should i use vfat or ext3 | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | up to you | 21:36 |
| wizbit | ext3 is superior to vfat | 21:36 |
| freemangordon | but won't be recognized by windoze | 21:36 |
| wizbit | i dont use windoze :D | 21:36 |
| wizbit | i use sftp or ssh to transfer stuff | 21:37 |
| wizbit | wget | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: anyway, partition your uSD to have 2GB of swap partition | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | along the other(s) | 21:37 |
| wizbit | ace | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that can't hurt | 21:37 |
| wizbit | how much ram does a n900 have | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | 256MB | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though 2GB is insane | 21:37 |
| wizbit | 512MB should be ok for swap | 21:37 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not, because of the fragmentation | 21:37 |
| wizbit | double the ram size | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that swap eats ram, are you? | 21:38 |
| wizbit | nope?! | 21:38 |
| wizbit | i thought it does the reverse | 21:38 |
| kerio | oh shit you're losing 2 more kb | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | yes, it eats | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, it actually *needs* ram for some meta data | 21:38 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: the bigger the swap, the more ram? | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:38 |
| wizbit | surely 512mb is enough | 21:39 |
| freemangordon | sure, but fragmentation is waaay worse than 1 MB more used | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or 1GB | 21:39 |
| wizbit | ok ill do 1GB | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more than 1GB is insane for sure | 21:39 |
| kerio | i think i either have 2 or 4 | 21:39 |
| kerio | because i don't believe you | 21:39 |
| freemangordon | no, it is not, as swap gets fragmented over time | 21:39 |
| wizbit | is the uSD slot behind the camera? | 21:39 |
| kerio | and i can afford the space | 21:39 |
| kerio | wizbit: next to | 21:39 |
| wizbit | ok | 21:39 |
| wizbit | time to order a micro sd card | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you actually can't even use the 768MB standard swap. System comes to a grinding halt when that much swap is actually needed | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: listen to me, make it 2 GB | 21:40 |
| wizbit | ok :-S | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: *FRAGMENTATION* | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pff | 21:40 |
| kerio | how much ram does swap use? | 21:40 |
| kerio | mh, my server has 32gb of ram and 16 of swap | 21:40 |
| kerio | for some reason | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | about 4 bytes per 4k | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | iirc | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sth like 1% to 0.1% | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 21:41 |
| wizbit | http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-SDSDQU-064G-FFP-Ultra-Class-Adapter/dp/B0084DWD4Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398796852&sr=8-1&keywords=micro+sd+64gb | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | or 8 bytes per 4 k, it was a while I looked at swap subsys in the kernel | 21:41 |
| wizbit | 2,960 good reviews | 21:41 |
| kerio | i assume the bigger the swap the lesser the pro capite metadata used | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for 2GB swap partition you need 200kB to 2MB of RAM to handle it | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | sure, but that pays of as access is sequental most of the time | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | 1GB quickly becomes fragmented | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's nonsense, use reswap when your swap get fragmented | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | that's another story | 21:43 |
| wizbit | do i really need 64gb, might get a 32gb | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | it is supposed to be faster | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it? | 21:43 |
| kerio | the 64gb one? | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | 64gb are UHS1 | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | 32 are class10 usually | 21:44 |
| kerio | can the n900 make use of that? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that is a poor metrics | 21:44 |
| wizbit | SanDisk SDSDQU-032G-U46A MicroSDHC Ultra 32 GB Class 10 UHS-I 30 MB/s with SD Adapter | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I use 64GB | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: mine is samsung | 21:44 |
| kerio | i mean the uhs1 | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 21:44 |
| kerio | can the neo900 make use of that? | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | and it has random write transfer rate about 2MB/s | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: no | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | kerio: n900 can make it up to 16/18MB/s | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UHS doesn't tell you much about speed of card, particularly not in N900 | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even classN doesn't tell the truth | 21:47 |
| freemangordon | sure | 21:47 |
| wizbit | logically, i dont want to store too much stuff on my phone, i will change my media accordingly so im gonna go for 32gb | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | class4 cards reported to be faster than most class10 | 21:47 |
| wizbit | will i need to edit fstab to get the maemo to see it when it boots | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 21:49 |
| wizbit | it will mount even if its ext3? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo automounts VFAT, CSSU automounts multiple partitions with virtually arbitrary fs | 21:49 |
| wizbit | ace | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe maemo also mounts ext3, dunno. CSSU definitely does | 21:50 |
| wizbit | ordered :D | 21:50 |
| wizbit | i found out how to stop dmesg flooding wlan messages | 21:51 |
| wizbit | if i login via ssh i need to do this: ssh -o ServerAliveInterval=4 | 21:51 |
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| freemangordon | wizbit: check what is the random access speed of the card you've just ordered, if it is <2MB/s think again | 21:52 |
| hxka__ | No, Maemo doesn't mount ext3, I've seen a bug about that | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/usr/sbin# df -h | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Dateisystem Size Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [... shortened] | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2,0G 877M 1,1G 46% /home | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | hxka: cssu does it | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk0p1 28G 21G 6,5G 77% /home/user/MyDocs | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk1p1 14G 11G 3,8G 74% /media/mmc1 | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mmcblk1p2 845M 782M 20M 98% /media/mmc1p2 | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/usr/sbin# | 21:53 |
| wizbit | freemangordon: ive already ordered it | 21:53 |
| hxka | freemangordon: yeah, and Doc mentioned that | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: so? can't you cancel the order it it doesn't fit your needs? | 21:53 |
| wizbit | SanDisk SDSDQU-032G-U46A MicroSDHC Ultra 32 GB Class 10 UHS-I 30 MB/s with SD Adapter | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: up to you :) | 21:53 |
| wizbit | is the above specs not good | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | those specs mean basically nothing but the capacity | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's prolly ok | 21:54 |
| wizbit | 30 MB/s | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SanDisk is a good brand | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: no, this is sequental access | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should actually work | 21:55 |
| wizbit | let me check | 21:55 |
| wizbit | Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 3.902 MB/s | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | wizbit: where did you find that? | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | and what about writes? | 21:56 |
| wizbit | Writing speed: 7.72 MByte/s | 21:57 |
| wizbit | Reading speed: 18.9 MByte/s | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | this is sequental | 21:57 |
| wizbit | i cant find data on that | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1324483&d=1347568510 | 21:58 |
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| freemangordon | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31521430&postcount=564 | 21:59 |
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| freemangordon | not that good | 21:59 |
| wizbit | will that be too slow for swap | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | could be better | 21:59 |
| wizbit | i dont care about if its slow for other stuff | 21:59 |
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| wizbit | will it be faster than what the n900 uses for swap at the moment | 22:00 |
| wizbit | using whats built in | 22:00 |
| RiD | freemangordon so i heard you removed 500kg heavy load out of HAM.... thumbs up! | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: don't bother with swap on uSD, it's a geek thing and effect is questionable | 22:03 |
| wizbit | will running thumb (in a month or so) speed everything up even more? | 22:03 |
| wizbit | CSSU-thumb | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:03 |
| wizbit | ace :D | 22:04 |
| kerio | do bother with swap on uSD | 22:04 |
| kerio | cuz it's totally awesome | 22:04 |
| wizbit | i need to peel off the plastic on the front of the n900 as it has bubbles | 22:04 |
| wizbit | i bought some new screen protectors | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | be careful! | 22:04 |
| wizbit | i think the glass will scratch otherwise? | 22:05 |
| kerio | enter your bathroom | 22:05 |
| kerio | run some hot water | 22:05 |
| RiD | wizbit plastic | 22:05 |
| wizbit | yep | 22:05 |
| wizbit | or they designed so you can peel them off and replace them | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never used protectors, but then I also don't carry the N900 in my pocket together with keys or gardening tools | 22:05 |
| wizbit | ok | 22:05 |
| RiD | well mine has scratches because of my nails | 22:05 |
| RiD | i scroll with my nails | 22:06 |
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| wizbit | this n900 came with a protector already on it | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: I actually made a mini-scratch with may nails - or rather with some microscopic dust that sticked there | 22:06 |
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| wizbit | maybe those protectors make the touch screen less responsive | 22:07 |
| kerio | nah | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possible | 22:07 |
| RiD | wizbit it does... a little bit | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but usually they don't | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not much at least | 22:07 |
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| RiD | yeah, it's just that i you're used to using it without | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recently got me matte ones which actually feel and look cool | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't use them yet though | 22:08 |
| RiD | i like how with the screen protector the fingers slides better when the screen isn't 100% clean | 22:08 |
| RiD | slide* | 22:09 |
| bencoh | keeping it with keys isnt a good idea ... mine suffered from it until I bought a protector | 22:09 |
| wizbit | im using opera as my browser, awesome | 22:09 |
| wizbit | was thinking about trying firefox n900 version | 22:09 |
| RiD | i find the stock browser still the best in most cases | 22:09 |
| kerio | microb best b | 22:09 |
| RiD | adblock addon is kinda cool... but it hogs the poor thing | 22:10 |
| kerio | i use a css thing | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | steer clear of adblock! | 22:10 |
| wizbit | firefox feennec | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scanning the 10MB of blacklist takes longer than downloading and rendering the worst ads | 22:10 |
| bencoh | :] | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it eats RAM like mad | 22:11 |
| RiD | is there some sort of alternative? | 22:11 |
| RiD | other than not visit pages full of ads lol | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, you could use some etc/hosts entries for the worst crap | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or use a proxy that does the filtering for you offline | 22:12 |
| RiD | hard to figure out what is the worst crap | 22:12 |
| RiD | but maybe i could block the most common ones | 22:12 |
| wizbit | the 2 most common tools i will use is: browser, media player | 22:13 |
| wizbit | do you all use the built in media player? or are there better alternatives | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many prefer OM | 22:13 |
| RiD | i only use rockbox | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMP even | 22:13 |
| RiD | well for music lol | 22:13 |
| wizbit | right ok | 22:14 |
| wizbit | http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_Media_Player | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the built-in player has an abysmal GUI in my book, nevertheless I use it for everything | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OMP pretty much copies the GUI of built-in | 22:15 |
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| wizbit | nice ill install that and maybe test out firefox fennec | 22:15 |
| wizbit | after that clean it up then backup | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch! | 22:15 |
| kerio | ? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not doing a backup *before* you start such experiments? | 22:16 |
| kerio | or maybe before AND after | 22:16 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: i know, i gone past that mistake! | 22:16 |
| RiD | #yolo | 22:16 |
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| wizbit | next time when if i re-flash i will :D | 22:16 |
| kerio | sudo apt-get -y upgrade #yolo | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 22:17 |
| RiD | you only live once | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | guess how often I reflashed my current daily device | 22:17 |
| wizbit | ? | 22:17 |
| RiD | 2x per day | 22:17 |
| kerio | 7 times | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly once, when I got it | 22:18 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: i should be ok then | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that been like 3 years ago | 22:18 |
| kerio | ooh look at me i'm DocScrutinizer and i'm boring | 22:18 |
| RiD | ^ | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no need to reflash since then, I got BM backups | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually, lemme rethink. Make that "ZERO", since I cloned my old N900 to the new one, with BM | 22:19 |
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| RiD | technically you reflashed | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | technically yes | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except kernel | 22:21 |
| wizbit | should i use the Community SSU devel repro or Maemo Extras-Devel repro for OMP? | 22:21 |
| kerio | backupmenu doesn't flash anything | 22:21 |
| kerio | it deletes and writes files | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wizbit: you SHOULD NOT use Community SSU devel repro for +anything* | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 22:21 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 22:21 |
| wizbit | DocScrutinizer05: ok i havent :D | 22:22 |
| wizbit | i will install OMP from Maemo Extras-Devel | 22:22 |
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| wizbit | when i activate Maemo Extras-Devel it asks to update: bash4, opera mobile and conky (what i have already installed) should i ignore those | 22:24 |
| bencoh | I'd say so | 22:26 |
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| wizbit | ok | 22:27 |
| wizbit | so the Maemo Extras-Devel is pretty stable | 22:27 |
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| wizbit | open media player looks the same as the built in one | 22:29 |
| bencoh | at least it should | 22:29 |
| bencoh | it is meant as a clone/remplacement | 22:29 |
| wizbit | oh ok | 22:30 |
| wizbit | should i bother testing firefox fennec.. | 22:31 |
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| wizbit | actually i wont bother with firefox | 22:35 |
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| nox- | as someone here once said, fennec is "eating ram like candy" | 22:36 |
| wizbit | eeek | 22:36 |
| wizbit | opera is nice and slick | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard genuine FF works better than fennec on maemo | 22:37 |
| nox- | oh | 22:37 |
| wizbit | one last question before i backup | 22:37 |
| wizbit | is there a way to delete the existing radio stations in OMP | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | click&hold? | 22:38 |
| wizbit | ACE :D | 22:38 |
| wizbit | you star :D | 22:38 |
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| wizbit | time to fry some burgers :D | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | could you bring some for me too please? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 10 min to Thing | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | þing | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | #maemo-meeting | 22:52 |
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