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| louisdk | This is funny. I've owned an N900 for years but didn't knew that you could swipe from the right to see your lastest visited websites in the browser. | 01:08 |
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| infobot | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.1/alphabet.ps | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, not this one | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo gestures is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures | 01:15 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 01:15 |
| RiD | louisdk there is also some key combo (ctrl shift i? i don't remember) that enabled/disabled text "reflow" | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo shortcuts is <reply> see #maemo gestures | 01:15 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:15 |
| RiD | Ctrl + Shift + I Reset zoom to normal or Turn on page reflow for any zoom level | i was right :v | 01:16 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hmm .. turns out dmix seems to use a significant amount of CPU :( | 14:56 |
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| * Maxdamantus wonders how pulseaudio uses less CPU. | 15:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: never heard of that | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually it's PA that hogs CPU | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: make sure your ALSA is correctly configured | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for dmix the IPC is very important | 16:13 |
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| jaska | on a desktop where cmus is playing mp3s pa usually takes more cpu than cmus | 16:14 |
| Maxdamantus | Was trying mplayer and mpd. | 16:15 |
| Maxdamantus | mpd was at around 90% | 16:15 |
| Maxdamantus | mplayer about 30% | 16:15 |
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| Maxdamantus | what do you have to do WRT IPC? | 16:25 |
| Maxdamantus | type dmix | 16:26 |
| Maxdamantus | ipc_key 1532 | 16:26 |
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| Maxdamantus | you can just try it in normal Freemantle with mplayer: echo 'pcm.meh { type dmix; ipc_key 1532; pcm.slave "hw:0,0"; }' >>/etc/asound.conf | 16:28 |
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| Maxdamantus | mplayer foo.mp3 -ao alsa:device=meh | 16:28 |
| Maxdamantus | uses 30% of CPU for me, and audio is choppy. | 16:29 |
| Maxdamantus | with the default alsa pulse plug thing, about 9% of CPU in pulseaudio and 5% in mplayer. | 16:30 |
| Maxdamantus | (the 30% in the first one is in mplayer) | 16:30 |
| Maxdamantus | I think the 5% remaining in mplayer is basically just decoding this flac. | 16:31 |
| bencoh | flac ? foo.mp3 ? | 16:35 |
| Maxdamantus | was an example. | 16:36 |
| * Maxdamantus doesn't actually have a file called foo.mp3 | 16:36 | |
| bencoh | :) | 16:36 |
| Maxdamantus | Well, there's probably a foo.mp3 in /tmp on my main computer, because I don't clear /tmp | 16:36 |
| Maxdamantus | or not. | 16:36 |
| Maxdamantus | foo.aux foo.c foo.cpp foo.git foo.gitearly foo.hs foo.java foo.log foo.o foo.ogg foo.pdf foo.py foo.tar.gz foo.tex foo.w | 16:37 |
| Maxdamantus | ooh, foo.ogg | 16:37 |
| bencoh | :)) | 16:37 |
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| Maxdamantus | $ cat foo.w | sed 's/^ */ /' | tr -d \\n; echo foo ::= a @ v:a -| ( b:(a, a) ::= (v, v); return b ); return foo <- 4 | 16:39 |
| Maxdamantus | er .. foo ::= a @ v:a -| ( b:(a, a) ::= (v, v); return b ); return foo <- 4 | 16:39 |
| bencoh | obviously. | 16:39 |
| Maxdamantus | some language I made a few years ago. | 16:39 |
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| Maxdamantus | Hm. Significantly better using aplay/dmix rather than mplayer/dmix | 16:53 |
| Maxdamantus | Maybe it has to do with buffer sizes used or something. | 16:53 |
| Maxdamantus | ah, aplay's not causing it to be resampled. | 16:54 |
| Maxdamantus | still far better than mplayer .. even better than pulseaudio. | 16:55 |
| Maxdamantus | 7% | 16:55 |
| Maxdamantus | aplay doesn't work with pulse. Maybe aplay takes shortcuts that mplayer doesn't. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: hmm, no rate conversion | 16:58 |
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| Maxdamantus | I hadn't specified a pcm.meh.pcm.rate | 16:59 |
| Maxdamantus | I get buffer underflows with aplay/dmix though. | 17:00 |
| Maxdamantus | underrun* | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your pcm.meh doesn't look correct | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it kinda looks syntactically correct, but it lacks a rate inside dmix, and a rate conversion aka pcm type "plug" before the dmix | 17:03 |
| Maxdamantus | I added a rate next to the slave afterwards. | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I think the hw pcm needs some buffersize etc as well | 17:04 |
| Maxdamantus | was under the impression dmix already did resampling. | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, it doesn't | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's even worse since it can only have hw slave | 17:05 |
| Maxdamantus | It doesn't pick a sensible buffer_size etc by default? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and only works with sample rate of that slave | 17:05 |
| Maxdamantus | So who's resampling? aplay? | 17:05 |
| Maxdamantus | since my wave file is 44.1 kHz | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not necessarily, the application can define a range of preferred buffer sizes etc, and it will pick one from that | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno. aplay source is pretty short, and educational | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check aplay -vv parameter | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it helps a lot for analyzing what's going on in alsa stack | 17:07 |
| Maxdamantus | buffer_size : 1536; period_size : 512; period_time : 11609 | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also see sample rates | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of each pcm, in and out | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas not for pukeaudio | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 17:09 |
| Maxdamantus | Direct Stream Mixing PCM: exact rate : 44100 (44100/1) | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't N900 audiocard fixed to 48k sampelrate? | 17:10 |
| Maxdamantus | afaik, which is why I've been presuming dmix has been resampling. | 17:10 |
| Maxdamantus | or something under the dmix device. | 17:10 |
| Maxdamantus | rather than the application. | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously nothing does | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which might explain why you get lots of buffer underruns | 17:11 |
| Maxdamantus | Doesn't seem to underrun with period and buffer size 1024 and 8192 | 17:11 |
| Maxdamantus | They weren't constant before, but it happened every 10s or so. | 17:12 |
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| Maxdamantus | ah, setting the rate in also actually halved the CPU usage in mplayer. | 17:14 |
| Maxdamantus | so it looks like mplayer was spending lots of time doing its own resampling (it listed the alsa output as 48 kHz, but played normally) | 17:15 |
| Maxdamantus | wait, that's with 44100 in asound.conf | 17:18 |
| Maxdamantus | not 48000 | 17:18 |
| Maxdamantus | maybe the hardware does do 44100 | 17:18 |
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| Maxdamantus | so mpd is also around 15% like that, which seems acceptable. | 17:20 |
| * Maxdamantus thinks he might have a few songs in 48 kHz | 17:21 | |
| Maxdamantus | oops, was using hw:0,0 in mpd. | 17:29 |
| Maxdamantus | mk, so still at 15% with mpd/dmix, but it can't play 48 kHz songs. | 17:29 |
| Maxdamantus | only have one in my library, actually. | 17:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Radiohead, Supercollider | 17:30 |
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| Maxdamantus | mplayer can almost downsample it without breaks. | 17:38 |
| Maxdamantus | AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s32le, 1424.2 kbit/46.36% (ratio: 178022->384000) | 17:38 |
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| Maxdamantus | Mm, mpd has a cheaper "internal" resampler than the default libsample one. | 17:46 |
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| Zmr56 | What the hell is this? | 23:58 |
| Zmr56 | Who are you chuckle brothers? | 23:58 |
| Zmr56 | And why are there so many people here? | 23:59 |
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