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| Sicelo | hi. it could just be i'm bad at searching, but could someone please ponit me to the location api for Maemo 5 | 01:20 |
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| Sicelo | *point | 01:20 |
| r00t|home | google: maemo location api , first two results? | 01:21 |
| Sicelo | i seem to not be getting there | 01:21 |
| * Sicelo retries | 01:22 | |
| r00t|home | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API | 01:22 |
| r00t|home | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/ | 01:22 |
| Sicelo | hmm. weird. thanks | 01:22 |
| r00t|home | enjoy | 01:23 |
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| Sicelo | the reason i was looking for this is that Nokia Maps seems to not open the right location when i tap on an address specified for a contact | 01:50 |
| Sicelo | any ideas wy this would be the case? | 01:50 |
| Sicelo | address is entered properly | 01:50 |
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| r00t|home | no idea | 01:59 |
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| Sicelo | kewl | 02:01 |
| Sicelo | by the way, lol, recently, Nokia Maps also has a tendency to give a winding course, when a more straigh/simpler course exists. | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | addr based location and routing is off-board | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only lon-lat is directly usable by liblocation afaik | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: ^^^ | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually liblocation doesn't do any of that, liblocation only is a glorified gypsy GPS interface | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW location != maps | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, I can reproduce that | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my location is about 1km off | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -- though only tested with one source addr, so I can't claim any relation between source and what's shown | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw does any of you still remember that "click addr to open in maps" only came with PR1.3? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or was it PR1.2? | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, reproducable | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tested with a second origin addr and again the shown addr is maybe a 1km off | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this feels like a damn deja-vu, like if I dreamed some fool specified decimal lon-lat and another fool delivers ° and ' " | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or vice versa | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, searching for 11° 00'E, 49° 02' 13,7"N Am Rohrberg, Gänswirtshaus, Weißenburg i. Bay., Landkreis Weißenburg-Gunzenhausen, Mittelfranken, Bayern, 91798, Deutschland, Europäische Union | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it gives me: 10° 59' 13,6"E, 49° 01' 58,4"N 5, Gerhart-Hauptmann-Straße, Wülzburger Hang, Weißenburg i. Bay., Landkreis Weißenburg-Gunzenhausen, Mittelfranken, Bayern, 91781, Deutschland, Europäische Union | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but only when address entered to contacts and clicked. When I search for the addr directly in ovi maps, it is precise to the point | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | roundabout one kilometer off in direction east-north-east: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/05/plasma-desktopto3389.png | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's absolutely strange | 04:11 |
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| Sicelo | vwin 23 | 06:45 |
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| Apic | Can the N900 record from the analog Video Input, too, or just Playback? | 12:25 |
| hxka | You can capture it on camera ^_^ | 12:29 |
| hxka | IIRC Neo900 will have that feature | 12:29 |
| Apic | ic | 12:29 |
| hxka | No, it won't | 12:30 |
| Apic | Ok | 12:30 |
| Apic | Then i'll unbury my DBOX2 | 12:30 |
| hxka | I confuesd it with stereo line-in | 12:31 |
| Apic | ic | 12:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we'd love to get that, but too much BOM | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need to use a USB video digitizer dongle ;-) | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless somebody comes with a pretty cool and cheap one-chip solution | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | matching wequirements of embedded | 13:34 |
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| Sicelo | N900 has analog video input? | 17:34 |
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| hxka | No, it doesn't | 17:40 |
| r00t|home | Sicelo: output | 17:40 |
| r00t|home | what would a phone have video input for | 17:41 |
| r00t|home | use usb-host to attach an external video grabber? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 17:42 |
| Sicelo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-03-05.log.html#t2014-03-05T12:25:56 | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: exatly, read again | 17:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waits for $some-user pointing to https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2014-03-05.log.html#t2014-03-05T17:34:31 and asking "how do I make video input of N900 work?" | 17:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I wonder why http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog instantly forwards my browser to https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 17:46 |
| Sicelo | mine has out, and of course, always knew that :D | 17:46 |
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| ChiaSmurf | is maemo/n900 affected by the gnutls bug? | 18:02 |
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| hxka | N0, Maemo uses OpenSSL :) | 18:12 |
| ChiaSmurf | ok ty | 18:12 |
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| Gear_ | I'm having real trouble keeping the n900 as my main phone :( | 18:17 |
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| raininja | WA_Maemo5StackedWindow | 18:18 |
| raininja | is it gone from Qt? | 18:18 |
| Gear_ | in thailand the GPS took like 15 minutes to get a lock, I was using a thai sim card and that worked for calls | 18:18 |
| Gear_ | back in australia it took another 15 minutes to get a lock | 18:18 |
| Gear_ | there's no Agps I don't think | 18:18 |
| Gear_ | so I had no friggen gps in thailand which ended up costing me more than just buying a phone while over there | 18:19 |
| Gear_ | half the apps don't work anymore. none of the weather apps do. is maemo being maintained with this functionality in mind? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set your supl-server to google | 18:20 |
| Gear_ | it is. | 18:20 |
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| Gear_ | but the weather apps don't show the correct day anymore | 18:21 |
| Gear_ | none of the weather apps actually work anymore | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then fix your date and time on device. Will also *massively* improve GPS | 18:21 |
| Gear_ | it's the correct time and date zone | 18:21 |
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| Gear_ | the maps are working again in australia, but so far only modRana | 18:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 checks ForeCa and looks forward to a 15°C on Sa and Sun | 18:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ovi maps have a defect right now, when calling an addr lookup from contacts. The position of addr is ~1km off in maps app | 18:25 |
| Gear_ | just asking whether maemo is being maintained for the functionality it used to have or just so the phone can keep doing it's linux geek stuff | 18:25 |
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| Gear_ | the weather app doesn't work here | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are like 5 weather apps | 18:25 |
| Gear_ | ok I forget the name, it had a widget where it showed today and the next few days if you wanted it to | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and well, "maintenance" is a pretty fuzzy term | 18:26 |
| Gear_ | well one day the weather just stopped showing the correct "today" and the maps are a bit f'd up, there's only one that shows me where I actually am | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody is (or ever was) maintaining whole maemo | 18:27 |
| Gear_ | I'm just asking why these bugs showed up and whether anyone really cares | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maps apps use a multitude of different web based data sources | 18:27 |
| Gear_ | I'm trying to use this as my only and main phone but these things are pretty important, I'd hate to have to give up on the n900 | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, those bugs are unrelated | 18:28 |
| Gear_ | maps and weather are some of the most important features of having a phone | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for each single one you need to find the answer to your above question separately | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly web based online apps like maps or weather forecast are dependant on the web site they use to get their data | 18:29 |
| Gear_ | ok but these things just happened one day and I can't seem to find out how to fix them | 18:29 |
| Gear_ | yeah google weather? | 18:29 |
| Gear_ | why would it show the wrong day one day out of the blue, it shows the day after today | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure foreca uses foreca.com or sth like that | 18:30 |
| raininja | #include <QtMaemo5> | 18:30 |
| Gear_ | which is not useful | 18:30 |
| raininja | -_- | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ??? | 18:30 |
| Gear_ | also what's the next best OS for this phone? | 18:31 |
| Gear_ | is there one that has everything working? | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: as long as not even *you* know *which* weather forcast app you're using, nobody can tell you why it stopped working | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: and no, there basically is no "other OS" for N900 | 18:32 |
| * sixwheeledbeast checks OMWeather and looks forward to "showers" | 18:32 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | on sat-sun | 18:32 |
| ChiaSmurf | om weather had an update ready | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: considered reflashing? | 18:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ChiaSmurf: yes but NFC what it does. | 18:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | changelog = "Debugging" IIRC | 18:34 |
| Gear_ | phone is fine | 18:34 |
| Gear_ | well it's not, but reflashing it won't change anything that I know of | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know of ? | 18:35 |
| Gear_ | unless some app changed something which isn't really possible | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 18:35 |
| Gear_ | I stayed away from dodgy crap | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to me it seems your idea of maemo OS is kinda ... too holistic | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway when nothing in your device can get fixed by a reflash then odds are you will need a new phone | 18:37 |
| Gear_ | I have 3 here | 18:37 |
| Gear_ | I think it was OMweather that was the one that didnt' work anywhere in australia | 18:37 |
| Gear_ | showed the wrong day | 18:37 |
| Gear_ | maybe it was foreca | 18:38 |
| Gear_ | the one with the little animated sun and the details showed humidity and sunset and all kinds of extra stuff | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it shown the day of the location you had set it to | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which might easily be a day off from day of week in Australia | 18:38 |
| Gear_ | why would I set my phone to anywhere else but australia | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think in australia already 2014-03-06 | 18:39 |
| Gear_ | this phone is totally useless for travelling now I know that much | 18:39 |
| Gear_ | but IN australia the weather app doesn't show the right day | 18:40 |
| Gear_ | I explained it and I think you know which one I mean | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, thanks for sharing this insight, even while it's not in line with what other here think. Now can we please stop that useless bashing | 18:40 |
| Gear_ | I'm telling you what my phone is doing | 18:40 |
| Gear_ | do you have other australian users here? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you're telling what you think is going on, and you don't even consider that others here might have advice for you | 18:41 |
| Gear_ | are there ANY australian n900 users | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YES | 18:42 |
| Gear_ | who report things | 18:42 |
| Gear_ | do they use things like weather and maps | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 18:42 |
| ChiaSmurf | probaly not | 18:43 |
| Gear_ | because day to day all the linux stuff is totally secondary to knowing what to wear, and where the hell to go. | 18:43 |
| ChiaSmurf | they do have websites that show the weather you know | 18:43 |
| ChiaSmurf | even if a widget doesnt work right | 18:43 |
| Gear_ | the n900 is a very very old phone now | 18:44 |
| ChiaSmurf | i just bought mine | 18:44 |
| Gear_ | ok | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I start to recall why there been a +q | 18:44 |
| Gear_ | the widget was useful, the website is irritating and slow | 18:45 |
| ChiaSmurf | well im sure theres more than one | 18:45 |
| ChiaSmurf | i use cell.weather.gov, its almost instant, dont know what the australian equivalent would be | 18:46 |
| Gear_ | any website. the mozilla browser doesn't work with much anymore | 18:46 |
| Gear_ | only opera seems to actually work, and it's that terrible mobile view | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: stop ranting please! we're not interested in your opinions about age of phone, or general critics at browsers unless you suggest alternatives. We all know how old and how slow (or fast) the N900 is | 18:47 |
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| Gear_ | uh ok, are there any alternatives to these things | 18:48 |
| Gear_ | I do not know of any. I thought maybe a channel full of n900 users might | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're all customers who paid money for their devices just like you did, and nobody of us is responsible for your bad user experience with that device, since we are not doing "maemo maintenance" at large, nor do we customer service here | 18:49 |
| ChiaSmurf | you could go to #n900 and wait for an answer | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Gear_: I told you foreca works for me. and * sixwheeledbeast checks OMWeather and looks forward to "showers" | 18:51 |
| ChiaSmurf | my omweather works as well | 18:52 |
| Gear_ | and I told you it doesn't work in australia | 18:54 |
| Gear_ | then I asked if anyone else even used it in australia that you know of | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, there are already TWO weather forecast apps supposed to work. When they don't for you, don't you think the problem could be at your end? | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | firefox on N900 has been unusable for a long time. Opera or MicroB. | 18:55 |
| Gear_ | yeah microB doesn't work with any of the things I'd want to use it for | 18:56 |
| Gear_ | and opera is opera | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also it may depend which version you are using | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Fell free to contribute to embedlite | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/Fell/Feel/ | 18:56 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: Feel free to contribute to embedlite | 18:56 |
| Gear_ | should I not be using the latest version of everything? | 18:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | that also depends on what you are calling "latest" | 18:57 |
| Gear_ | the last one to come out in the repositories | 18:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and which repos/catalogues you have enabled | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opera? repository? | 18:57 |
| Gear_ | apps extras extras devel | 18:58 |
| Gear_ | mostly extras devel is never used | 18:58 |
| Gear_ | because most of those things don't work | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | extras-devel is supposed to not stay enabled at all | 18:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | opera 11 seems to be the most stable IMO. As for OMWeather I am using the latest extras-devel versions including the DB files. | 18:59 |
| Gear_ | I use things out of extras | 18:59 |
| Gear_ | then there's all the wifi hacking stuff but that gets boring quickly | 19:00 |
| Gear_ | since anything past WEP takes longer than the battery | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't, but nevertheless I'm afk now | 19:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 think in 1st-level-helpdesk domain they must have a name for such days | 19:01 | |
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| Gear_ | sixwheeledbeast I'll have to try the extras devel OMweather | 19:02 |
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| Gear_ | opera is 12.something here, I don't know how to roll back to 11 | 19:03 |
| Gear_ | opera isn't really the problem | 19:03 |
| Gear_ | everything else going past microB is, I have to use bare html for some sites | 19:04 |
| Gear_ | no flash support but there never really was any | 19:04 |
| Gear_ | cutetube seems to never load the video, I'm not sure why | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please stop unqualified rant! | 19:05 |
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| Gear_ | cutetube never loads any video ever. it has the loading screen then just goes back to the search function | 19:06 |
| Gear_ | does meego work on this phone? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already told you there's no other OS for N900 | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why change OS? why not change device? | 19:07 |
| Gear_ | backlit keyboard. | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a nice android device! cheaper, more modern, faster | 19:08 |
| Gear_ | and linux | 19:08 |
| Gear_ | you said you were AFK | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | android is linux too, they say | 19:08 |
| Gear_ | I hate android | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hate rant that doesn't point towards any direction for the better | 19:08 |
| Gear_ | you asked why not get a modern device, that is my answer | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that wasn't a question, that been a suggestion | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since all your rant here won't change your user experience with N900 | 19:10 |
| Gear_ | go AFK | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah that been the reason | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: you just missed a really great experience | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [Wed 05 March 2014] [18:12:04] <Gear_> you're the one trying to steal money for that n900 motherboard that still doesn't exist | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly never knew that there could be anything less than absolute vacuum anywhere | 19:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | again cutetube is about which version, youtube keep changing things so marxian has to fix it, no issues here. | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you can stop, I +q'ed him again | 19:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I know but FTR, there are answers to all of them rant topics. | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's the point. Or rather that he's absolutely not interested in learning about them | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | instead continues to rant and insult people | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he had a +q for exactly that, asked me to remove it, and a mere 30min later been at same point again | 19:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If you really want to get the best out of your N900 you have to commit effort to the community. Especially now post-Nokia. | 19:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | As you say ranting helps noone | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and just for the record: a) for now I don't even have access to a single cent of the donations to Neo900. b) the donations are for *DEVELOPMENT* of a new N900 mainboard. So how could any such mainboard already exist? | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't go on at c) d) e) f)... since it's to plain obviously silly an accusation | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too* | 19:29 |
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| raininja | i do not want to rely on old code dammit | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | copy it! ;-P | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | `touch /path/to/old/code.c` | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a rather strange notion that code gets "old" like vegetables | 20:13 |
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| raininja | DocScrutinizer05: well in this case, it is even more of a pita | 21:57 |
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| raininja | I am just trying to get this code up to modern, then to qt5 for sailfish | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I dunno what you're talking about | 22:31 |
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| raininja | fk it, building my own qt for maemo5 | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | gps pretty much needs coldstart after moving large distances, in my experience :) | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | foreca works for me, on N810 :) | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: on hindisght it seems pretty unclear to me if that guy moved at all | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, GPS is known to work much better with carrier side assistence | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | Seems impossible to get rid of "mobile view" on any "modern" browser these days :( | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agrps | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps | 22:55 |
| infobot | rrlp is probably the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RRLP, right, that's been the name | 22:55 |
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| ShadowJK | That thing isn't used afaik :) | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | It's all cellid, and hoping google/nokia knows where that cellid is located | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | most likely not | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | As my non-gps location and reported accuracy changes consistent with the local celltowers when I switch 2g to 3g :) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I definitely seen a go/nogo in a A/B comparison between a N900 with and one without SIM, both locale DE_de and with a previous fix and with no network connectivity on either WLAN or WWAN | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I *bet* BB5 firmware *is* using that | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the go/nogo swapped with SIM from one N900 to other one | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | If I change supl provider to the broken one, best I get without gps is middle of country with estimatedaccuracy of 600km | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but "without GPS", what are we talking about? | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | Only network location | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | AGPS is not about complementary means to GPS to determine location, it's about helping GPS to get a faster/better fix | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you got NO gps and NO cellid, it's pretty obvious your device has a hard time to determine your location | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but it helps if it knows where you're roughly, when it starts looking for sats? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | +- 500km or somesuch | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: maybe you can help us out here? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what *really* helps is right time | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, yes, it helps. In practice, there seem to be bugs that can be confused by mis-set time, and possibly also mis-set location, and never come up with a position | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and, sorry, I just notice that I might have missed to set right time on my A/B comparison when swapping SIM. Dunno if my bupbats were still OK back when | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | reset AGPS, put it outside in view of the sky for 15 min or so. | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | With a correctly set time. | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If it doesn't get a locttion then, it's pretty much never going to. | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | yeah I've had to use the reset app a couple times | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, actually a broken/confused (by wrong time e.g.) A-GPS is worse than a GPS without A, I'd say | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better search for all possible SV than only for those that are in an outdated almanach | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Sigh. So much pointless crap. Got to fix the kitchen window now. :/ Zero time for fun stuff. | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: hoe did you survive the terrible weather at your side? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard about floods and storms and dunno what | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hope everything OK | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | No flooding here - it's been a moderately OK winter - it's just not enough energy to get the basics done. :/ | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no flooding, good! :-) | 23:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | And screw it - I'm going to sleep. Night. | 23:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 tries to leave flat for dinner. About time to do this once more | 23:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | night SpeedEvil, have a relaxing rest! | 23:18 |
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