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| merlin1991 | jdoles: well in that case | 01:25 |
| merlin1991 | please fix the wiki | 01:25 |
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| SAiF | is there any ftp or http daemons for n900? | 04:13 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'm not sure. I /know/ you can install a debian chroot with all your standard packages | 04:14 |
| robbiethe1st | So things like apache are indeed possible, though there's extra file overhead from the duplicated packages | 04:14 |
| robbiethe1st | You'd just have to search the repos for native ports | 04:15 |
| SAiF | hmm..thanks | 04:27 |
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| SAiF | got lighttpd and proftpd, I dont whether whether it works.. I will try sometime. :) | 04:36 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: you did that for 4 hours? | 08:35 |
| freemangordon | name all the functions, etc ? | 08:36 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: what?!? arm hexrays has finally leaked O.o | 08:39 |
| peterbjornx | nope, just ida | 08:41 |
| peterbjornx | and, yeah i've been nam | 08:41 |
| peterbjornx | *naming some functions for a while | 08:42 |
| peterbjornx | lots of them appear to be modified linux code | 08:42 |
| freemangordon | yeah, big parts of nolo come from the kernel afaik | 08:43 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: are you interested in neo900 project? | 08:43 |
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| Mentha | hello there! | 16:50 |
| Mentha | quick question, iam a biker and i want to build in a bt-headset into my helmet, so that i can get calls while driving. | 16:51 |
| Mentha | so far so easy, but now the more specialized thing, as a matter of fact, i tend to listen to the fm-radio while driving and with a wired headset thats no matter whatsoever, but what if i would like to do it wireless over the build-in (into the helmet) bt-headset and plug in a short cable into the 3,5mm-jack, would i still be able to pair it and hear sound on the bluetooth headset? | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good question, I'm sure technically it works. But you need to convince alsaped and friends to route to BT while a HS-jack is plugged in | 17:07 |
| Mentha | yea, i guess nobody yet has had that setup, or atleast it isnt very common :D | 17:07 |
| warfare | Mentha: Why not using a headset that also supports A2DP? | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is that FM-radio refuses to work when it thinks there's no atenna (HS) plugged in | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: hmm? | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is in audio routing in N900 | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you plug in a wired headset, that overrides the BT headset afaik | 17:09 |
| warfare | Ah, Headphones have priority over BT. | 17:09 |
| warfare | http://senabluetooth.com/product/intercoms/sph10h-fm/ would be a solution. | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I managed to confuse the logic so it routed to BT even with HS-jack plugged in. Try different sequences of enabling BT and plugging/unpluggin/replugging HS-jack | 17:10 |
| Mentha | yep, also my thought :) | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another problem is: it seems ringtones are never played back via headset, no matter which one | 17:11 |
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| Mentha | warfare: yep, already thought about a headset with builtin fm-radio, but this would then habe to be controlled complettly over the controlls of the bt-unit, not sure if it would be doable with gloves on :) | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I don't know if switching between BT HSP(?) for monaural bidir voice call and A2DP while listening music works at all | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Mentha: there are BT headsets that can pair to more than one peer device concurrently | 17:14 |
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| Mentha | DocScrutinizer05: ringtones work here btw. with the default-n900 headset while listening to the fm-radio, its stop for a sequend starts playing the ringtone and you can take the call by pushing the button, afterwards it reverts to the fm-radio (using qradio) | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and maybe even worse (though i need to check the schematics for details): the FM-radio is built in to same chip like BT, and I guess they share a single PCM interface for audio | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if that's correct then listening to FM and using BT audio would be mutually exclusive | 17:17 |
| Mentha | DocScrutinizer05: yep, its the same chip :D | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but I dunno about the FM audio interface | 17:19 |
| Mentha | _that_ should kill the attempt i guess :) | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, FM-audio is analog | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BT is I2S/PCM | 17:21 |
| Mentha | i mean qradio has the possibilty to switch to the internal speakers, while the headset is plugged in, but i guess its a complettly other thing to output audio over the chip that is been used already to make fm-radio work from the beginnin :) | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so this is no issue | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I recall javispedro pondering an audio routing that allows FM-radio with CPU suspended, thanks to the audio from BT chip being analog and thus no conversion D/A needed | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in your case CPU/audio-codec needs to convert A/D | 17:24 |
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| Mentha | yep, guess it will be a major pita to accomplish it :) | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *should* be no major problem (except maybe for power consumption, which shouldn't be higher than with MP3 listening nevertheless) | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I never managed to grok how audio routing *really* is done in fremantle | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just know that alsaped is involved somehow | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course PA | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that whole domain would be properly analyzed and reverse-engineered already, we had less headache from Neo900 audio hardware and how to implement it so it's 100% compatible to fremantle and N900 | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | alas Nokia considered audio mission-critical for a phone (ok) and thus not suitable for user to mess with it (NOT ok), and thus we have a big blackbox for all that | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when you can find javispedro, you might ask him for advice. I think he's the one I know of who knows best about that audio stuff | 17:33 |
| Mentha | is he still on the maemo forum? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err yep | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen a post of him a few weeks ago | 17:35 |
| Mentha | ok thanks mate, lets see if it works out well, would be great.. w'll see :) | 17:38 |
| Mentha | have a nice day o/ | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please let us know if it worked | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 17:38 |
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| merlin1991 | anobody got any idea how this can happen http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3071e97b/ (compare line 7 and line 19) | 17:41 |
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| FIQ | [16:11:49] <DocScrutinizer05> another problem is: it seems ringtones are never played back via headset, no matter which one | 17:46 |
| FIQ | ringtones play just fine here | 17:46 |
| FIQ | with hs | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yesm that's what I posted | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I know for sure that, when I listen to mp3 via my home stereo (linked to N900 with AV-cable) and a call comes in, the ringtone does NOT get played back via my home stereo | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it just mutes the music on "headset" and plays back the ringtone via device speakers, like specified in wiki about multimedia framework | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and audio | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe headset and headPHONES are different in that regard for audio-routing | 17:50 |
| FIQ | that sounds silly | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 17:51 |
| FIQ | is there a good reason for that? | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha! | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pulseaudio: Ringtone is heard from the loudspeaker if BT connected. | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ringtone played both to headset (BT or wired) and to internal HF speakers. | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1 | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain enjoy! :-S | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good reason? well, I feel quite ok with the N900 *not* playing ringtones via my home stereo amp | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also feel ok with device audibly playing ringtones even when headset still plugged in since I forgot to unplug when I put it down somewhere | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but actually that SHALL be a user config setting | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 18:06 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is >>Fast SMS rejection of incoming call.<< ? | 18:14 |
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| peterbjornx | wil lthat even work considering bt and fm are in one chip | 18:23 |
| peterbjornx | freemangordon: yeah, im interested in neo900 but dont really know that much about it | 18:24 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: ~neo900 | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | oop | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | ~neo900 | 18:25 |
| infobot | rumour has it, neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: it shouldn;t be much different compared to n900 | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: if you are interested in joining the fptf, please join #maemo-ssu | 18:26 |
| freemangordon | we need at leas on guys with IDA/kernel skills :D | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | *least | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | ~fptf | 18:27 |
| infobot | [fptf] the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 18:27 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, I scared him :) | 18:30 |
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| peterbjornx | my client fucked up, did i miss anything important | 19:50 |
| peterbjornx | ? | 19:50 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | freemangordonpeterbjornx: it shouldn;t be much different compared to n90018:25 | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | freemangordonpeterbjornx: if you are interested in joining the fptf, please join #maemo-ssu18:26 | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | freemangordonwe need at leas on guys with IDA/kernel skills :D18:27 | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | freemangordon*least | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | ~fptf | 20:16 |
| infobot | i guess fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: well, we need at least *one more* :) | 20:17 |
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| peterbjornx | im not that experienced with kernel dev, i do know quite a bit of c but mostly the tech stuff. not the cs theory part | 20:19 |
| freemangordon | cs? | 20:19 |
| peterbjornx | computer science | 20:19 |
| peterbjornx | the math side of things | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: neither am I (experienced with kernel dev), but still ... | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | oh, that shouldn't be a problem | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | there is no much math in the UI, for example | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | and being a C developer should mean that you know "how it works" :) | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: honestly, I need someone to help me with the RE part, now the jonwil gave up | 20:22 |
| peterbjornx | true, although my knowledge about many of the high level libs is pretty limited, i've only really played with c on low level (micros) | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | and we'll need some RE done, for neo900, esp GPS/modem part | 20:22 |
| peterbjornx | ok | 20:22 |
| peterbjornx | what do i need to look at | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: join #maemo-ssu as a start :) | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | as we're a bit OT here | 20:23 |
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| Ashley` | hi? | 21:54 |
| Ashley` | how to troubleshoot not working mobile internet connection? (3g) | 21:55 |
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| Ashley` | It's disconnects when some app wants to connect to the internet | 21:55 |
| Ashley` | *It | 21:55 |
| Ashley` | in dmesg I can see only: | 21:56 |
| Ashley` | gprs0: attached | 21:56 |
| Ashley` | gprs0: detached | 21:56 |
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| DrGrov | Hello hello | 22:02 |
| DrGrov | Just wondering, I know this is not a Maemo type of question but still I thought I would ask it. | 22:02 |
| DrGrov | Can I sync Google contacts to a Nokia 208? Just bought it and according to some resources online it should be possible to achieve that fairly easy. | 22:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Ashley`: fMMS issue, maybe? | 22:15 |
| Ashley` | I don't have it on my phone | 22:17 |
| Ashley` | I've fastsms... but I had it before and everything worked | 22:18 |
| Ashley` | (Ugh, my english... My messages... look awful, right? :f) | 22:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok just a thought, in "havoc" mode IIRC it bumps the 3G connection off while it does it's thing. | 22:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | what is happening exactly? | 22:19 |
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| Ashley` | <sixwheeledbeast> ok just a thought, in "havoc" mode IIRC it bumps the 3G connection off while it does it's thing. | 22:32 |
| Ashley` | oh, sorry, I was afk | 22:33 |
| Ashley` | 1. what is havoc mode? | 22:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | fMMS | 22:33 |
| Ashley` | ah | 22:33 |
| Ashley` | ok | 22:33 |
| Ashley` | 2: I connect to internet by 3g (Connect to Internet (Połącz z Internetem) dialog...) | 22:34 |
| Ashley` | I launch... for example xchat | 22:34 |
| Ashley` | And when it tries to connect to server (first, resolve domain) | 22:35 |
| Ashley` | Connection icon disappears, and connection is lost | 22:35 |
| Ashley` | (dmesg says "gprs0: detached") | 22:35 |
| Ashley` | (i hope you can understand me ;_;) | 22:35 |
| Ashley` | Oh well... | 22:41 |
| Ashley` | again... | 22:41 |
| Ashley` | It magicaly started to work >.< | 22:41 |
| Ashley` | I just need to ask on IRC | 22:41 |
| Ashley` | and my n900 repairs itself magically | 22:41 |
| SAiF | lol | 22:42 |
| Ashley` | sorry... again.. | 22:42 |
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| Ashley` | that's second time -.- | 22:42 |
| SAiF | it happens.. | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | ashley: yeah, asking the correct questions usually helps to find the solution :) | 22:42 |
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| Ashley` | freemangordon, but I didn't find the solution | 22:42 |
| Ashley` | freemangordon, my n900 fixed itself somehow xD | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | wait, your problem is solved, ain't? | 22:43 |
| Ashley` | freemangordon, second time! | 22:43 |
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| Ashley` | yeah... but... hm. Maybe it's solution to my N900 problems. | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | see :P | 22:43 |
| Ashley` | Ask, *magic*, done. | 22:43 |
| Ashley` | Sorry for taking your time :f | 22:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's not a signal issue? which icon disappears? Network settings? | 22:45 |
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| DrGrov | Sorry for my off-topic in this channel. Apologies. | 22:48 |
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| Ashley` | sixwheeledbeast, I'd send you screenshot of that icon, but I need to do my awfully large homework... | 22:50 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: could you add a note on your "testing-squad" thread that cutetube needs one more vote to enter -extras? | 23:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: yep ok I have been, waiting for vagalume to get 2 more votes. | 23:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | What s the plan with tracker-cfg? | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: if I am not mistaken, last time I tried it, it was broken (vagalume) | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | hmm, what about tracker-cfg? | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | no active maintainer? | 23:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nope it was updated and has always worked for me, the issue is possibly the service. | 23:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you promoted tracker-cfg IIRC and it has passed QA but no maintainer to push to extras, do we just push it anyway? | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, I can't decide on my own. I guess that's council material | 23:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | cool I'll mention it next week then, unless you become a maintainer and promote it :) | 23:13 |
| freemangordon | I know nothing about python. maybe kerio :P | 23:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | worth a try :P | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] please don't adopt the habit to quote a complete post of the one talking just before you reply | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually this will not get tolerated anymore | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is no email with fullquote, and no forum | 23:15 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I have rights to promote it in extras and this will not be the first orphaned package in extras, but I can;t take the decision | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | so please, raise the issue on the next council meeting | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ashley`: either signal issue (poor RF GSM signal), or modem slow death ("No SIM detected") | 23:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: no I understand, it's no problem. I thought I'd ask because I thought you promoted it. I will mention it at the meeting | 23:19 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: yes, I promoted it to -testing, but -extras is not the same | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | aiui | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think gprs0 "NIC" vanishes as soon as modem can't connect to network and thus can't provide connectivity | 23:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yep that's fine | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | ok, enough for today, night guys | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ gn fmg | 23:25 |
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| Ashley` | hm... | 23:41 |
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| Ashley` | a way to change profile to 'silent' without typing device password would be cool | 23:42 |
| Ashley` | maybe i'll try to implement it | 23:43 |
| Ashley` | *try* | 23:43 |
| Ashley` | *maybe* | 23:43 |
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| Ashley` | I'm bad at understanding code written by someone else, so it won't be easy | 23:43 |
| Ashley` | :P | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess volume keys can get enabled to work even when devie is locked | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure they can | 23:44 |
| Ashley` | huh | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you get dbus-scripting | 23:44 |
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| Ashley` | i didn't think about that | 23:45 |
| Ashley` | heh | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check for a nice sequence on dbus and trigger your profile switching | 23:45 |
| Ashley` | It would be much easier | 23:45 |
| Ashley` | :P | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc you enable volume keys in rtc/mce/mce.ini | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | etc even | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something like a fast up-down-up should do | 23:47 |
| Ashley` | yeah | 23:47 |
| Ashley` | thanks | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as "key makro" | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | profile switching should be in | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 23:47 |
| infobot | rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-scripting is a package | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will be sth like 50 lines bash scrip max | 23:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ashley`: see ~beasttweaks, I have modded the camera key to skip track you could do the same for silent. | 23:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks | 23:50 |
| infobot | hmm... beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts | 23:50 |
| Ashley` | I like how it's named "beast tweaks". It looks like "best tweaks" :D | 23:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it wasn't intentional :whistle: | 23:53 |
| Ashley` | :D | 23:53 |
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