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| * freemangordon finally migrated his desktop to linux | 18:24 | |
| Ashley` | yay | 18:24 |
| Ashley` | C: | 18:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well no looking back now. | 18:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | stupid thing. | 18:39 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I was postponing that for much too long | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | but when I got 3 reboots per hour OOB... | 18:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Have you used any new HW apart from the PSU? | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | yep | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | everything is new but the case and (most of) the disks | 18:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anything interesting? | 18:43 |
| freemangordon | it took me a while to setup nvidia binary driver to start 2 screens :D | 18:44 |
| freemangordon | otherwise pretty good setup IMO -4 i5 cores, 16G RAM, ~3.5 TB disk space | 18:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well that should do for a while. | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | oh, a really strange thing - | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | I setup VM to use my old XP installation as a phisical disk, (to ease my migration). What makes me nuts is mozilla and thundrbird - both hag in some 10-20 seconds | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | *physical | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | or rather - does not repaint the contents, I need to switch the focus to have the page rendered | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | this is really weird | 18:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | can't say I have come across that. I use a VM on Ubuntu for my Maemo SDK. I you talking about firefox/tbird in the VM? | 18:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/I you/Are you/ | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | yes | 18:54 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: can't say I have come across that. I use a VM on Ubuntu for my Maemo SDK. Are you talking about firefox/tbird in the VM? | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | but it is something broken in my old XP installation, as I did a clean XP install on another partition and FF doesn't have that problem there | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | but anyway I CBA to fix that | 18:54 |
| freemangordon | though everything else works, so it is deffinitely a bug in gecko | 18:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well not worth spending effort to fix, if you migrate everything. | 18:56 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 18:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I use Iceweasel in the VM to lighten the load, do most of my browsing in Ubuntu with FF. | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DNS not reachable, or a 404 on some hidden "service" often can cause such annoying stalls in browsers | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g when you primary DNS server IP doesn't respond and eventually resolver/whatever has to fall back to 2nd/3rd DNS IP | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wireshark told me there is no activity | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | and once stalled only restart fixes it | 19:05 |
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| amospalla | I managed to install cssu9 over cssu-thumb8 | 19:52 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | eh? T9.1+thumb0 is available now AFAIK. | 19:53 |
| amospalla | right, and I saw it as upgrade, and I thought I was updating to thumb, but dunno how I got non-thumb installed. | 19:53 |
| amospalla | applications manager does not recognize thumb as an update, is it safe to manually installing it with apt-get? | 19:54 |
| amospalla | I've always read, important updates should always be done through applications manger. | 19:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ALL package management should be done through HAM | 20:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | check catalogues to make sure thumb is there | 20:02 |
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| amospalla | these are set | 20:12 |
| amospalla | maybe on next thumb version, I can go back to it :/ | 20:13 |
| amospalla | it appeared now :) | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | basically CSSU-T and CSSU-thumb are cross-compatible, as long as you got the thumbified kernel | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing wrong in installing a non-thumb package version over an older thumbified version of same package. It's a simple normal update | 20:26 |
| amospalla | DocScrutinizer05: thank you for that info, is good to know. | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just your newer version, when not thumbified will be a tad larger and possibly slower, but then it's also newer and possibly some bugs fixed | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when same version rolls out of cssu-thumb hangar's door, you will easily update to thumb version again | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | per definition equivalent versions between cssu-thumb and cssu-testing are supposed to be 100% compatible | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for disk space needed for installation | 20:29 |
| amospalla | nice, so I don't need to wait to thumb version of a package, if there is an update, and I would like to test it. | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not really | 20:30 |
| amospalla | :) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually suggest you better install any cssu-test update particularly when it's a critical or security related update | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like cssu-T update should or would roll back *all* of your cssu-thumb binaries to a non-thumb version. It's usually only 1 or maybe a very low 1digit number of packages that got upgraded in a new CSSU-T release | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui only those will override any CSSU-Thumb packages of same name on your system - if any such packages actually exist | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in short, CSSU-T and CSSU-Thumb are not mutually exclusive but rather complementary | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ideally cssu-thumb repo has a slightly higher priority than cssu-t repo, so packages with identical version-number should update from thumb | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on behaviour of apt and HAM I guess automatic update from cssu-t to *-thumb might fail when version-number in cssu-thumb isn't higher than the identical version in *-t | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in that case I guess reverting to apt-get and force-installing/reinstalling the metapackage from cssu-thumb will do | 20:37 |
| amospalla | mhh.. it seems to have installed correctly | 20:37 |
| amospalla | well, n900 rebooted, and told me it had upgrade the system, nothing related to errors. | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly hope freemangordon is tagging all thumb binaries in a unique way | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so users have a way to tell them apart from their non-thumbified twins | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you do? | 20:40 |
| SAiF | I dont even look what gets installed. what evere comes up as an update, I just give it a go.. | 20:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 thinks of a small string addition to --help or --version output, or for binaries that don't have this, just include a ascii string const that doesn't get optimized out by compiler/linker | 20:41 | |
| SAiF | and hope it wont cause any harm. | 20:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if just *maybe* every thumb binary could link against a lib that checks for presence of a unique property of /sys or /proc or whatever that signals that kernel is supporting thumb, and simply quits with throwing error when not | 20:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this way you could make sure any problems from tumb running on a non-thumb system can get caught in very early stage, not at random occasion much later via segfault | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you could easily tell apart thumb binaries from armel binaries | 20:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | thumb versions have there own +thumbX package name | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does the binary know about own package name? | 20:46 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Not sure fmg will know. | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? fmg doesn't know abiut own package name? ;-) | 20:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | he's obviously busy tweaking his new buntu machine | 20:48 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: no, thumb binaries don't know they are thumb | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ++ #include fmglib | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ++ assert(fmgSysIsThumb; "Sorry, your system doesn't support thumb binaries") | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #endif | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | well, IMO LD_PRELOAD is a better way | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | errwut? | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | hooking to malloc() for example | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and how do you ldpreload for every damn thumb binary on your system? | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | SIGILL could happen before that assert() is called | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and NOT for the non-thumb binaries? | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | in /etc/profile | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely fine with SIGILL happening before assert reached. I'm not fine with it happening any random time later on | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the whole purpose of this assert is to make sure the binary dies whatever cruel death the very second it got started | 21:46 |
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