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| Apic | Good Night (UGT) to You all. | 00:43 |
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| FIQ | just curious, but why is there 2 instances of hildon-status-menu running according to ps aux? | 04:32 |
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| FIQ | seems to be the case for all hildon-* processes | 04:33 |
| FIQ | besides input-method and notification-daemon | 04:33 |
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| Sysaxed | hello. I bought new headhones(with a mic) and by default inserting it into my n900 results with a buzz sound. Someone on maemo forums suggested to hold the mic button while plugging in and it worked! No buzz sound, speaker works. But what about mic? Is there any way to get it to work? I've found some CTIA to OMTP and back converters, is that it? | 04:55 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm guessing it's got a TRRS connectir> | 04:59 |
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| Sysaxed | robink: so is there any way to convert it? | 05:02 |
| robbiethe1st | also, mic button? | 05:02 |
| Sysaxed | yeah, that small button that is usually used for answering the call | 05:03 |
| Sysaxed | why did I call it mic button :D | 05:04 |
| robbiethe1st | wait... what button? | 05:07 |
| robbiethe1st | Where is it? | 05:08 |
| Sysaxed | on the cord of the headphones | 05:10 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh | 05:17 |
| robbiethe1st | um... I got one of those a while back. Never could get it to work | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: probably the maemo-launcher | 05:20 |
| Sysaxed | robbiethe1st: yep, it does not work with n900 | 05:23 |
| Sysaxed | robbiethe1st: I remember somebody was trying to make it work... not sure if he succeeded | 05:23 |
| robbiethe1st | If you're handy with a soldering iron, you could probably bypass all the electronics | 05:23 |
| Sysaxed | robbiethe1st: but I don't care about it, I want my mic to work | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: where do you see 2 processes? are you sure that's not 2 threads? | 05:24 |
| FIQ | unless I'm mistaken (I've never done any multithreaded developing), seperate threads don't get their own PID | 05:27 |
| FIQ | but I might just be wrong | 05:27 |
| FIQ | robbiethe1st: | 05:28 |
| robbiethe1st | ? | 05:28 |
| FIQ | top right of backupmenu's UI has a "-" rather than a "|" | 05:29 |
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| FIQ | kinda nitpicking but still :p | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I lookd for the wrong thing | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're right | 05:29 |
| robbiethe1st | Huh | 05:29 |
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| robbiethe1st | Never noticed it | 05:29 |
| FIQ | I can't take my eyes from that "error" when I have it running D: | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you're right it's 2 hildon-home processes for example. Threads indeed get their own PID | 05:30 |
| robbiethe1st | So edit the shell-script file? | 05:30 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: mkay.. so why does it do that? | 05:30 |
| robbiethe1st | It's not like it's encrypted or compiled or anything | 05:30 |
| FIQ | robbiethe1st: where is it located? | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as I guessed: maemo-launcher? | 05:30 |
| FIQ | nvm I guess I can just check with dpkg | 05:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Um, /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item | 05:30 |
| FIQ | ty | 05:31 |
| robbiethe1st | you want the non-launcher one | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err invoker | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll `which hildon-home` | 05:31 |
| robbiethe1st | should be just a string, which is passed to text2screen/t2s | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2012-07-18 23:07 /usr/bin/hildon-home -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 05:31 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: ah ok | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-invoker impersonates a lot of stuff, and calls hildon-home-real or whatever the name | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so in the end you will have one process maemo-invoker and one processs hildon-home-real and both did a self-rename to hildon-home | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's my wild guessing | 05:33 |
| FIQ | hm this is kinda weird | 05:34 |
| FIQ | this script seem to have got it right | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2012-12-26 15:55 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2012-03-26 01:16 /usr/bin/hildon-status-menu -> /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 05:35 |
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| FIQ | oh I see the issue | 05:36 |
| FIQ | one string is noticeable bigger than the other | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 486276 2012-12-23 17:04 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch | 05:37 |
| FIQ | but the typo makes sense | 05:37 |
| FIQ | oh well, let's see if this fix works | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually think it's maemo-launcher, while maemo-invoker only sends a dbus ,sg to launcher | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | msg | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: btw that's why it's sometimes not exactly simple to strace something like hildon-status-menu | 05:44 |
| FIQ | there we go | 05:45 |
| FIQ | just had to remove an extra dash at the top | 05:45 |
| FIQ | nice | 05:45 |
| FIQ | ty for the hint, robbiethe1st | 05:45 |
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| Apic | A wonderful splendid good Pungenday Morning (UGT), the 8th Day of Chaos in the YOLD 3180 to You all. | 10:58 |
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| dhbiker | hi tehre | 11:50 |
| dhbiker | there* | 11:50 |
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| dhbiker | why am i getting maemo update to stable #6.1 | 11:50 |
| dhbiker | and then it says i need to use pc suite | 11:50 |
| dhbiker | to backup | 11:51 |
| dhbiker | ?!?! | 11:51 |
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| int_ua | Am I the only one who gets XML parsing error in MicroB in 100% of cases after searching "arch abrt"? | 13:31 |
| int_ua | http://www.google.com/search?hl=uk&ie=UTF-8&q=arch+abrt | 13:32 |
| hardy_magnus | hey friends i recently installed 9.1 update on my n900. what is new in that update? | 13:35 |
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| anYc | there's a changelog in the wiki | 13:48 |
| anYc | afair, qt libs and fmtx downgrade | 13:48 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | MrPingu: thanks for looking at the DARP wiki page I have updated it too. Feel free to test as many packages as you can ;) | 14:47 |
| MrPingu | sixwheeledbeast: Good work ;) Actually with exams coming up I won't be that busy with that but I'll keep it in mind ;) | 14:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | MrPingu: no problems | 14:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I suppose I "could" plug my packages in testing like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92014 :D | 14:53 |
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| MrPingu | sixwheeledbeast, I'm not sure about flopswap? It requires additional setup | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you'll need a preinstall script in your .deb that checks if the system is correctly tweaked/configured and if not then the script shalll either spit out a help text explaining what user is supposed to do, or rather even open microB on a help wbepage that serves same purpose | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (re flopswap) | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you quit install with a failure so dpkg/apt database doesn't count the package as installed when actually it's not | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thw helptext/webpage ideally goes "Dear user! this package is doing $lengthy-description. For this you need to prepare your system manually: do a)... b)... c)... **THEN TRY AGAIN TO INSTALL THIS PACKAGE!" | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind you will want to also have a proper working way to UNinstall! | 15:18 |
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| Apic | I lost the Game yet _again_. B-( | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 17:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hello, just got back reading backscroll | 17:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | MrPingu: FlopSwap is still a work in progress TBH. It requires two swap partitions on the uSD card and that in thoery should be it. | 17:53 |
| Apic | ♫▶ Josh Wink - Lil Louis - French Kiss - Original Version | 17:53 |
| Apic | ww | 17:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Apic: oops? | 17:53 |
| Apic | sry | 17:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | other than the two linux-swap partitions on the uSD card FlopSwap takes care of everything else with postinst postrm scripts. FlopSwap will not cause system issues if any swaps are missing. This information is currently contained in the package description. | 17:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | MrPingu: I guess from "additional setup" you mean the two linux-swap partitions? | 18:00 |
| MrPingu | sixwheeledbeast: yes | 18:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Without them flopswap would be pointless | 18:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I am open to any ideas to improve it. | 18:03 |
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| MrPingu | exactly, that's my concern why it maybe shouldn't go in extras. | 18:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Oh...well TBH it's not ready for extras yet. | 18:15 |
| FIQ | huh | 18:15 |
| FIQ | er wrong channel sorry | 18:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The version in testing is from a good while ago. | 18:17 |
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| SAiF | what is the encryption used in /etc/passwd for storing passwd? just to know. | 20:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | i'd guess MD5 | 21:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd_%28file%29#Password_file | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: you can tell from header of each hash | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passwd_(file)#Shadow_file $id | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (On GNU/Linux, "$1$" stands for MD5, "$2a$" is Blowfish, "$2y$" is Blowfish (correct handling of 8-bit chars), "$5$" is SHA-256 and "$6$" is SHA-512, | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HMMMPFFF sorry, messy maemo messybox decides to not adhere, as usual | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway see https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=etc%2Fshadow, we had that topic several times before, should show up in on of those hits | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "simply" check messybox sources | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and suuuure, maemo doesn't have encrypt(1) | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and passwd is fubar | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you need to check sources of passwd and/or sudo | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems | 22:27 |
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| t3st3r | Interesting question: my N900 started to think it's USA and so applies USA regulatory rules to wi-fi. Except all things around it means inability to connect to some access points as in Russia channelsd 12/13 are allowed. | 23:13 |
| freemangordon | CAL broken? | 23:14 |
| t3st3r | where the heck N900 gets idea about US and how do I make it to reconsider it back to RU? | 23:14 |
| t3st3r | [01:14:25] <freemangordon> CAL broken? <- hmm, not sure. How to check? | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | syslog | 23:14 |
| t3st3r | at least MACs/IMEI/.... looks sane. | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | look for libcal errors | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | in syslog that is | 23:15 |
| t3st3r | one moment... | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | or something in dmesg, dunno, never heard of such aproblem before | 23:15 |
| t3st3r | what more interesing, trying iw reg set causes some OOPS in kernel oO | 23:16 |
| t3st3r | I'm using stable community SSU, if this matters | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | should not | 23:17 |
| t3st3r | dmesg seems to be clear, though some part has been lost due to small buffer... | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | boot part is in syslog | 23:19 |
| t3st3r | and where does N900 getting regulatory domain from? I guess it should change rules if I go to other country? | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | hmm, no idea TBH | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | or rather - I think it is from CAL | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | but what happens if you go abroad... | 23:21 |
| t3st3r | well, from logical standpoint if I go from RU to US, I should have option to comply with local regulations, shutting down use of channels 12/13. But when I go back I should be able to use 12/13 again. | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: did that happens to all routers you connect to? | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | *do | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | shit, does :D | 23:23 |
| * freemangordon needs some rest | 23:23 | |
| t3st3r | freemangordon> hmm, well, I had some dumb issue with router reflashed to openwrt which was not willing to use chan 12/13 as well. | 23:23 |
| t3st3r | this has been upcoming to strange interpretation of "world" configuration being "US". I've fixed that and now device can use chan 12/13 again. | 23:24 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: hmm, I am afraid I can't be of much help, seems you know how the stuff works more than I do | 23:25 |
| t3st3r | Ironically, this caused extra testing of high channels and I detected regulatory plague affected N900 at that point, as it utterly fails to see all channel 12/13 APs. | 23:25 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: hmm, thinking of that... | 23:25 |
| t3st3r | at boot it just sets up US regdomain. No idea why it sticks to it and where it getting such idea Oo | 23:26 |
| freemangordon | "Jan 8 13:14:59 Nokia-N900 kernel: [48243.015899] cfg80211: Regulatory domain: US" | 23:26 |
| freemangordon | yep, you guess it right - I am not in US | 23:27 |
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| t3st3r | So you have it too? oO | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | it's always been like that | 23:27 |
| t3st3r | what iw list tells you? Can you use chan 12/13? (if your regulatory allows that of course) | 23:28 |
| Ashley` | how to check regulatory domain? | 23:28 |
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| freemangordon | t3st3r: * 2467 MHz [12] | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | * 2472 MHz [13] | 23:29 |
| Ashley` | [ 1309.645477] cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: EU | 23:29 |
| t3st3r | iw list from root... | 23:29 |
| t3st3r | it then lists chan 12/13 as "disabled". | 23:29 |
| t3st3r | [01:29:52] <Ashley`> [ 1309.645477] cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: EU <- I lack that part :( | 23:30 |
| Ashley` | (it's from dmesg) | 23:30 |
| t3st3r | ashley> I know. For me it tells it changed to US and no more records about that. | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: I bet your CAL data is broken. or something else | 23:30 |
| Ashley` | cssu testing here | 23:30 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: I have that "changed to EU" too | 23:31 |
| t3st3r | freemangordon> haven't found any records about CAL issues. | 23:31 |
| Ashley` | (not the newest one though...) | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: and it is right after icd2 started | 23:31 |
| t3st3r | not sure if RU variant of N900 is EU but overall wi-fi settings should be rather similar. | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: could be either CAL or something in sysconf config(or whatever that lib was called) | 23:32 |
| t3st3r | interesing... iw reg set to EU seems to work... checking... | 23:33 |
| t3st3r | it also re-enabled channels. | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: maybe you should strace icd2 | 23:33 |
| t3st3r | But why the heck I miss this part automatically? | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: what is ther result of "osso-product-info -q OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL" | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | here is fcc/us | 23:35 |
| * freemangordon is not sure which exactly setting is icd2 uses | 23:35 | |
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| t3st3r | hmm, it tells fcc/us oO | 23:36 |
| t3st3r | which is not a case obvuiusly... | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: ok, but I don't know where icd2 gets it from | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | could be CAL, gconf, sysconf, what else? | 23:37 |
| t3st3r | the most strange thing is that I haven't changed any settings at all. | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: fs corruption? | 23:37 |
| t3st3r | theoretically it could happen, sure, but I don't see other issues. | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: maybe a reflash will be the easier way to solve that. who knows | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | easiest* | 23:38 |
| * freemangordon deffinitely needs sleep | 23:38 | |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: maybe wait for DocScrutinizer05 and/or Pali to appear, they know a bit how icd2 works iirc | 23:39 |
| t3st3r | well, now I can see my test channel13 AP... but setting it manually is no fun and error prone if I go to other country... | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: so you are sure that regulatory domain should automatically change? | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | going to as google | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | ask even | 23:41 |
| t3st3r | freemangordon> well, not sure but it would be logical, based on timezone or GPS. | 23:42 |
| t3st3r | or else there is risk to violate regulations my going to other country with mobile device with wrong settings. | 23:42 |
| t3st3r | and at least "out of the box" it can see channel 12/13 APs. | 23:43 |
| t3st3r | so I really wonder what has changed/borked oO | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | well, if your hypthezis that RD should autochange, then it could be your router that told n900 wrong RD | 23:44 |
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| freemangordon | somehow | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | I am not really in wifi stuff | 23:45 |
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| freemangordon | ooh | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | bug 5699 | 23:46 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5699 WLAN regulatory domain changes to US when no position data available | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | "If we cannot determine the location we must default to US since all devices | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | must conform to FCC requirements. | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | t3st3r: ^^^ | 23:46 |
| t3st3r | freemangordon> and how do they detect location? | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | read the bug report | 23:47 |
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| t3st3r | url? | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | ^^^ | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | bug 5699 | 23:47 |
| t3st3r | ah, bot :) | 23:47 |
| Apic | B-) | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RD gets set by AP | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:51 |
| t3st3r | thanks, I think this stuff explains a lot. But I done GPS fix recently in hope it would get idea. | 23:51 |
| t3st3r | [01:51:23] <DocScrutinizer05> RD gets set by AP <- ??? | 23:51 |
| t3st3r | AP can set RD flags? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik yes | 23:52 |
| t3st3r | Interesting. What next? AP can reflash boot loader? oO | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's something in RFCs to tell clients which RD they are in | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least iirc | 23:52 |
| t3st3r | DocScrutinizer05> some APs can sent "country" information element. | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sth like that | 23:53 |
| t3st3r | to give hint about location | 23:53 |
| t3st3r | and some APs around are sending it... and its correct - RU. | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it seems maemo is setting RD according to CAL and maybe LOCALE | 23:54 |
| t3st3r | scanning with iw (not on n900!) would show a lot of info about APs around, incl all (?) IEs. | 23:54 |
| t3st3r | strange, I've attempted to change locale and so on and it had zero effect. | 23:55 |
| t3st3r | I attempted to change timezones, set up russian settings (even if I prefer English UI) and so on. | 23:55 |
| t3st3r | still it has been sticking to US :) | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: look at bug 5699 | 23:56 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5699 WLAN regulatory domain changes to US when no position data available | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | it gets it from the MNO | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is MNO? | 23:57 |
| Ashley` | how can I install the new apt-worker? | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | Mobile Network Operator | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | Ashley`: what is that new apt-worker? you mean hildon-application-manager? | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | (apt-worker is part of HAM package) | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I suspect it falls back to CAL when no positioning available | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:59 |
| t3st3r | Hmm, well, I haven't used cell net for some time but I did GPS fix and some APs are surely emitting RU in their beacon IEs. | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | because there is OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us' | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | on my devide | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | *device | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GPS is mostly ignored in maemo | 23:59 |
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