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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: a-mail | 01:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | surely pe-mail? | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | b-mail, for "biological"? | 01:18 |
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| ori553 | I have a question, I was looking at a page explaining how easy is to make a program for the n900 using qt creator, i was thinking, Is it possible to compile for different platforms aswell? like android or iphone | 01:49 |
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| honestly | can I make the usb networking device have a fixed MAC? | 04:08 |
| honestly | I guess I can. | 04:09 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | moin | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL at self-made psychologists that tell me what I think/thought so I finally get to know about the weird evil mess in my own brain | 15:58 |
| RST38h | mourning, Doc | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi RST38h | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Just start every conversation with "What are you wearing today?" | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just dunno what to answer to bullshit like >>Community Council so you cover yourself linking to fmg saying it (hey I didn't say it, just linking *wink wink*)?<< | 16:02 |
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| solofight | earlier i installed the usb host mode on my n900 and then i was not able to use my camera... when ever i opened camera it said operation failed or device not available...... so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted | 17:15 |
| solofight | now my deivce keeps rebooting and i see the nokia logo again ang again and again | 17:15 |
| solofight | what do i do now ? how do i recover ? | 17:16 |
| solofight | kindly help .. | 17:16 |
| solofight | tomorrow is a big day for me and i need my mobile | 17:16 |
| solofight | guys ! ? | 17:20 |
| solofight | somebody please help me | 17:23 |
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| solofight | is reflashing the device only way to us emy device again ? | 17:23 |
| NIN101 | could this be bootloop? | 17:29 |
| NIN101 | ~bootloop | 17:29 |
| infobot | bootloop is probably when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 17:29 |
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| solofight | NIN101: so reflashing is th eonly option ? cant we reconstruct the filesystem ? | 17:36 |
| solofight | will i loose all data inside my mobile ? | 17:36 |
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| solofight | NIN101: thanks for answering first of all | 17:36 |
| solofight | i read this manual http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Help-for-N900-that-randomly-reboot-and-that-have-stopped-booting/m-p/593949 | 17:37 |
| solofight | and the download flasher link it says gives me a 404 | 17:38 |
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| NIN101 | ~flashing | 17:39 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:39 |
| NIN101 | assuming the fs is broken etc., reconstructing it would be quite difficult I assume. I would simply reflash. I am not sure whether you lose your phonebook, sms database etc., but MyDocs remains untouched. | 17:41 |
| solofight | NIN101: is this the correct video to follow for flashing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zvRjL-2cM | 17:43 |
| solofight | ? | 17:43 |
| NIN101 | I don't know, I would read this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware from start to end. | 17:43 |
| solofight | got two video links from that page and didnt know which one to follow | 17:44 |
| solofight | similarly thre are two options under n900 in that pag....one is FIASCo which flashes and loads the rootfs alone and another says it flashes all 32 GB | 17:45 |
| solofight | so i need to follow the FIASCO - is my understanding right ? | 17:45 |
| solofight | just want to be sure before doing something wrong - sorry of the question is too noobish | 17:45 |
| solofight | NIN101: ^ | 17:45 |
| NIN101 | yes, I would give rootfs/FIASCO a try. | 17:46 |
| solofight | NIN101: in the link you gave the download link for flasher gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 17:51 |
| solofight | NIN101: you mean, i need to go for FIASCO because i need to retain the myDocs - right ? | 17:51 |
| NIN101 | I said it would be very wise to read the wiki article from start to end, because I am not too familiar with this topic. There is also a link to a mirror mentioned in the article: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ :-). FIASCO because we are assuming a problem with your rootfs, and so there is no point in flashing EMMC or something. | 17:54 |
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| solofight | NIN101: oh ok | 17:58 |
| solofight | thank you | 17:58 |
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| SAiF | muhahahaha | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you uninstalled powerkernel | 19:26 |
| kerio | aka no modules | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I'm really surprised that nobody gave proper advice to just reflash powerkernel | 19:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't help | 19:27 |
| kerio | power kerner is still flashed | 19:28 |
| kerio | what's he missing are the modules | 19:28 |
| kerio | he could try to flash omap | 19:28 |
| kerio | if the omap modules are still there | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the less I understand why NIN101 didn't suggest ~rescueos | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or flash the default kernel, yes | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or jusr use rescueos to see what modules are actually there, maybe install some sane modules, and then flash the matching kernel | 19:29 |
| kerio | using rescueos isn't exactly easy though | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 19:29 |
| kerio | i mean, if you don't have a firm-ish grasp on what's going on | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first and foremost I wonder why camera failed after flashing powerkernel | 19:30 |
| NIN101 | rescueOS is suggested by the ~bootloop fuctinfo already. I also didn't know that powerkernel got uninstalled. | 19:30 |
| NIN101 | s/fuctinfo/factinfo | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't the proper camera drivers get insatlled with powerkernel? | 19:31 |
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| kerio | it should | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, there been this nasty dependency hell that requires either brute force, or uninstalling and reinstalling all camera apps that have a dependency to the drivers | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I really wonder if for this case the brute force (aka `mv`) variant wouldn't yield better UX | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, poor solofight | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he just installed hostmode and got thoroughly screwed | 19:34 |
| SAiF | and I wonder who maintains host mode | 19:35 |
| kerio | it's a kernel thing | 19:35 |
| kerio | so pali/fmg? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's the question | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *my* hostmode seems been stable since years | 19:36 |
| kerio | my hostmode works | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | what hostmode? | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "my" as in "H-E-N" | 19:36 |
| kerio | "my" as in "Pali's" | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | yep, but what hostmode did he installed? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who knows | 19:37 |
| kerio | it's something he installed, so i assume it's H-E-N | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | *install | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | afaik h-e-n is maintained by mag | 19:37 |
| kerio | solofight: are you still around? | 19:37 |
| SAiF | lol | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | and is pretty much obsoleted by pali's HM | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | afaik | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: basically yes, if h-e-n would need maintenance then that's mag | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't agree on the "obsolete" | 19:38 |
| kerio | also, was he talking about camera-ui or about fcam? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pali's hm is based on pali's bme | 19:38 |
| kerio | well, not really | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | i suspect it is fcam | 19:39 |
| kerio | if it's fcam you need to reinstall fcamera-drivers | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | also: " so i uninstalled the usb host mode and restarted" | 19:39 |
| kerio | or whatever the package is called | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | that shouldn't happen | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless pali's hostmode | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | is HAM doing autoremove? | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which probably uninstalls the whole kernel ;-P | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | yep, but why? | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | hmm, it could be that KP was puled as a dependency | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | *pulled | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 19:40 |
| kerio | that's why you don't put kernel dependencies in dpkg | 19:40 |
| kerio | especially when dpkg can't exactly affect the kernel itself | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | kerio: there is kernel-feature... dependency only, afaik | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why H-E-N afaik doesn't have such dependency and rather does check for a kernel property and even a runtime flag | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel feature that is | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I guess KP can check in pre-remove script and fail to uninstall if it is the currently flashed kernel | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I bet o´pali's hostmode is depending on pali's bme for boost | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | iirc that is not the case | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | I have it installed, but no BME replacement on my "production" device | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so how does it work at all? | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | no idea :D | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 19:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: not quite BME replacement | 19:44 |
| kerio | just the bq24k module iirc | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | I trust Pali. Most of the time :D | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq24k replacement IS bme | 19:44 |
| kerio | nope | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yes | 19:44 |
| kerio | bme replacement is the HAL module and the temp thing | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't run bme with a bq24150 module loaded | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no, it is ^^^ AND kernel modules | 19:45 |
| kerio | well yeah, but they're preinstalled with kernel-power | 19:45 |
| kerio | just not loaded | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's fubar | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter if loaded by default or not | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you can't modprobe bq modules | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | they are disabled | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then why the heck they are there? | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | you can insmod them ;) | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and how the heck is pali's hostmode using them nevertheless? | 19:49 |
| kerio | stop bme && insmod | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | toldya NFC | 19:49 |
| kerio | if needed | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure (by causing bme to segfault and cause reboot) when loaded | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | I wouldn't say a reboot is "catastrophic system failure" | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it definitely is | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | then we should remove "reboot" command either | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BS | 19:50 |
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| freemangordon | when you insmod a module as root, it is your responcibility to RTFM | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 19:51 |
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| kerio | KP shouldn't bring modules into system that cause catastrophic system failure like kexec | 19:52 |
| kerio | that stuff stops the whole kernel! | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | :D | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | and actually doesn;t work | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | afaik | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go find some other fool to troll | 19:52 |
| kerio | you're trolling us doc | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FU! | 19:52 |
| kerio | you're actually claiming that it's better for some modules that *are part of the kernel tree* to be shipped separately | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | how nice :( | 19:53 |
| kerio | with all the issues that come from having to keep the versions in check | 19:53 |
| kerio | rather than keep them disabled | 19:53 |
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| kerio | for... what? | 19:54 |
| kerio | preventing people from making bme crash by doing "insmod bq24k.ko" as root? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go fix that hostmode shit! | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or I kick it form repo | 19:55 |
| kerio | if it's pali's hostmode, it's not in the repos | 19:55 |
| kerio | if it's pali's bme, it's not in the repos | 19:55 |
| kerio | actually no, i think pali's usbmode is in the repos | 19:56 |
| kerio | eyup, extras-devel | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you *CANNOT* kick packages from repos by your liking | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | esp when it comes to extras-devel | 19:56 |
| kerio | the same place that holds speedpatch | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a package that kills system on uninstall qualifies for kick even from extras-devel | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | no | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | that is not correct | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | extras-devel is the place that holds all kind of packages | 19:58 |
| cehteh | i'd suggest some 'archived' or 'obsolete' repo to quarantine packages which seen to be not needed anymore | 19:58 |
| kerio | cehteh: how do you figure out what's old, tho? | 19:58 |
| cehteh | just ask the Doc :) | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | so, we move those from extras-devel straight to the trash can? | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gonna +q * when you try to continue trolling this chan and me further | 19:59 |
| cehteh | well for example, all XBMC remotes packages dont work with current XBMC iirc, some other packages never got fully functional or are replaced by better stuff *AND* are abadoned | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, maemo is not your dandbox to ruin user experience | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sandbox even | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: dammit, the exact purpose of extras-devel it to hold "dangerous" packages, and it's been like that for ages. | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | or at least since I have n900 | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dammit, do you think solofight gives a flying F? | 20:01 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: the problem is that there are both cases that may ruin user experience .. presence of a ugly package is as bad as removing a package just a few people find useful | 20:01 |
| cehteh | and abadoned packages w/o a maintainer get bitrot too | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: smile, we have a new -testing :) | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a clear rule that dangerous packages get removed from extras repos when they do instant damage | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from ALL repos | 20:02 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: 'not working' anymore isnt dangerous, but still ruins the user experience | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rendering system broken fubar on uninstall qualifies for this classification | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am not arguing there is not problem with Pali's hostmode package | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | *no | 20:04 |
| cehteh | anyway .. my n900 is still broken, i dont have the patience to try another delicate repair attempt yet .. | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: I'm not talking about "ugly package", I'm talking about a package that nukes your device to the point where reflash needed, when uninstalling the package | 20:05 |
| kerio | you mean like kernel-power? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's about as evil as a package that nukes your system on install | 20:05 |
| SAiF | so you guess its palis hostmode, since palis not around.. | 20:05 |
| SAiF | dont shoot. | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | SAiF: no | 20:05 |
| SAiF | just kidding | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: stop trolling! last warning | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | KP has a clear instruction that you CANNOT uninstall kernels | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | we guess it is as it pulls KP as a dependency | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | SAiF: ^^^ | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I WILL shoot on next kidding, I'm pissed | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | kerio: actually this IS a problem in KP | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poor fella solofight has a broken system, needs his device tomorrow and you are joking | 20:07 |
| kerio | solofight left, wtf are we supposed to do | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | kerio: it shouldn't allow to be uninstalled | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he left? | 20:07 |
| SAiF | no. away | 20:08 |
| kerio | he's afk, i assume | 20:08 |
| solofight | kerio: DocScrutinizer05 : yes am here | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you are assuming, OH GREAT | 20:08 |
| kerio | yay | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: comeon | 20:08 |
| kerio | solofight: what hostmode did you install? | 20:08 |
| thedead1440 | there is nothing better to watch on #maemo than an angry doc in full flow :D | 20:08 |
| solofight | so you guys suggest i install some modules "power kernel" and try rebooting again ? | 20:08 |
| SAiF | the epic question | 20:08 |
| solofight | or is flashing the only way ? | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | solofight: you may try to flash the omap kernel | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | only the kernel | 20:09 |
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| freemangordon | solofight: do you have flasher and FIASKO downloaded? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: please first answer a few questions so we can suggest the right means to help you out | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what exactly did you install? | 20:10 |
| solofight | kerio: i installed both "h-e-n" and "host mode gui" if i remember right | 20:11 |
| solofight | first hen thinking that it will give me GUI to switch, understood its console based and then installed the host mode gui | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | H-E-N is safe | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's not console based | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hostmode gui though seems to be buggy | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly that's pali's hostmode | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it somehow ruined your system | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | solofight: do you have extras-devel repo enabled? | 20:13 |
| solofight | DocScrutinizer05: oh ! after installing hen i saw a nokia power kernel icon on the menu -- which when clicked gives me some warning even before the app starts so i always quit without touching anything | 20:13 |
| solofight | freemangordon: i think so | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: seems h-e-n pulls KP too | 20:13 |
| solofight | freemangordon: this gives me 404 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 20:14 |
| solofight | so going for the mirror now | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: H-E-N depends on a hostmode enabled kernel, but it doesn't autoinstall such kernel but simply tells you to do that under your control | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 20:14 |
| solofight | oh | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | solofight: use the alternative site | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | ~flashing | 20:15 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:15 |
| solofight | holey moly - there are so many versions ! http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ which one should i download ? back of the display it says Made in finland and the phone is purchased in Australia i think | 20:15 |
| solofight | i am the second owner | 20:16 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hostmode gui is not pali's hostmode | 20:16 |
| SAiF | Which os you use on PC | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: get global | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | global, not emmc, newest date | 20:16 |
| kerio | hostmode-gui is H-E-N | 20:16 |
| solofight | SAiF: win7 | 20:16 |
| SAiF | nm | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | oh | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | solofight: 64 bit? | 20:17 |
| solofight | yes | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | solofight: GLOBAL release should always work | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: win7 64bit, does flasher work? | 20:18 |
| merlin1991 | yes if you follow the hacks on the wiki | 20:18 |
| SAiF | you hve to use workaround | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:18 |
| merlin1991 | i.e the libusb in the directory works great | 20:18 |
| solofight | So il download the one with the notes "Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900" - is that correct ? | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:18 |
| solofight | OMG its 191 MB | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or get pr131 right away | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 | 20:19 |
| infobot | from memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 20:19 |
| kerio | fwiw downloading 191MB to flash just the kernel is silly | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rrrright | 20:19 |
| kerio | he could find a place to download just that first | 20:19 |
| kerio | maybe that'll work | 20:19 |
| solofight | ETA is 7 hours with my shitty internet con :( | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but he will prolly flash anyway | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the end | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | kerio: and how's he supposed to unpack a deb on win7? | 20:20 |
| SAiF | huh? | 20:20 |
| SAiF | the flasher | 20:20 |
| solofight | its downloading a .bin file | 20:20 |
| Sicelo | 7-zip on win unpacks debs | 20:20 |
| solofight | is that ok ? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:20 |
| solofight | DocScrutinizer05: yes for me ? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:21 |
| kerio | freemangordon: peazip? | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: I know, but the point is that solofight doesn;t seem experienced enough with debs and such to torture him :) | 20:21 |
| SAiF | why do you want to unpack it/ | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | SAiF: do get the kernel to be flashed | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to flash --kernel-only | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 20:22 |
| SAiF | o.O | 20:22 |
| kerio | http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 btw | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | kerio: good boy :) | 20:22 |
| SAiF | gonna be a long night then. | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 20:22 |
| kerio | alternatively i can grab the fiasco image | 20:23 |
| SAiF | Good luck solofight | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | solofight: download what kerio posted | 20:23 |
| kerio | don't | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | kerio: hmm? | 20:23 |
| kerio | download http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | kerio: anyway | 20:23 |
| kerio | and just flash dat shit | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you made a kernel-only fiasco? | 20:24 |
| kerio | it's the one in the `kernel` package | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:24 |
| kerio | on-device kernel updates are shipped via fiasco and flashed via flasher/softupd | 20:24 |
| kerio | the non-fiasco images are just for uboot, pretty much | 20:25 |
| solofight | SAiF: downloading both firmware and what kiero posted | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | kerio: actually you can flash zimage | 20:25 |
| kerio | yeah | 20:25 |
| kerio | but flashing a fiasco is similar to flashing the whole firmware | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | solofight: download what kerio posted (the second one), | 20:25 |
| solofight | kerio: should i download the first link you agve or the latest ? | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | kerio: :nod: | 20:25 |
| solofight | ok | 20:25 |
| kerio | solofight: it's irrelevant, the first you flash with -k, the second you flash with -F | 20:26 |
| solofight | oh ok | 20:26 |
| solofight | which one should i download in this http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ | 20:26 |
| solofight | ? | 20:26 |
| kerio | to be completely fair you shouldn't download either, you can't know that i didn't put a rootkit or something in there ;) | 20:27 |
| solofight | WinFlasher_3.12.1.exe ?? | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | sono: no | 20:27 |
| solofight | that one ? | 20:27 |
| kerio | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 20:27 |
| solofight | kerio: root kits work on windows 7 ?? | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe | 20:27 |
| kerio | solofight: no, for your n900 | 20:27 |
| SAiF | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2 | 20:27 |
| kerio | ...also, sure, why not? | 20:27 |
| kerio | load a malicious driver, it's pretty much the same thing as loading a rootkit on linux | 20:28 |
| solofight | oh | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I don't think solofight has a sense for this sort of jokes | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you download http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-20103103%2b0m5.fiasco or http://acehack.de/~kerio/zImage-2.6.28-omap1 whatever you already started. Same time you continue downloading that 191MB fiasco file | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and flasher-3.5 for your flavor of PC OS | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the acehack.de stuff shall be in the 191MB fiasco as well, but we want to take a shortcut that doesn't take 7h for you to continue | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | later on when the 191MB fiasco DL finsihes, you can compare if it has same kernel as the acehack.de stuff | 20:32 |
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| solofight | have downloaded zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great | 20:32 |
| solofight | downloading the maemo-flasher and the 191 mb file | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 20:32 |
| kerio | flasher-3.5.exe -F that/zImage.fiasco -f -R | 20:32 |
| solofight | kerio: where should i type that ? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first check the USB stuff | 20:33 |
| SAiF | and this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 | 20:33 |
| kerio | oh right, windows x64 | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see what SAiF provided | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds sane to a windows noob like me | 20:36 |
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| solofight | so i need to first do this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: so you also need to download that http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/ stuff as of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 | 20:37 |
| solofight | then do this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows | 20:37 |
| solofight | is it right > | 20:37 |
| solofight | ? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's needed to make flasher-3.5 work on 64bit win | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:37 |
| solofight | but the libusb is avail only for 32 bit ? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, after you got http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 done, wait for instructions from kerio or freemangordon | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: no, that is a 32bit lib for 64bit win | 20:38 |
| SAiF | solofight, its the name | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compatibility | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I can't help much with win7, I refuse to touch that sh*t :D | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | despite I am on still XP | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the flasher works the same though, afaik | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: have a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: sounds sane | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC about "cmd, run as admin" shit | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | right-click, "run as" I guess | 20:41 |
| SAiF | yes | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | though I am not sure there is "administrator" account in win7 | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UAE? | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | so I have NFC what "admin" user is supposed to mean | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | ~uae | 20:42 |
| infobot | Software emulation of the hardware of theCommodore Amiga 500/1000/2000. URL: http://www.freiburg.linux.de/~uae/ | 20:42 |
| freemangordon | hmm? | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, dunno | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with win7 M$ invented that "everybody is admin, everybody needs to answer yes" requester stuff | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | UAC | 20:42 |
| solofight | kerio: is it possible for you to list the instructions that i need to follow in order please ? the 191 mb file is giving me several hours to download... | 20:43 |
| kerio | flasher-3.5.exe -F zImage.fiasco -f -R | 20:43 |
| kerio | plug the turned-off n900 in | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's not "in order" | 20:43 |
| kerio | while holding "u" on the keyboard | 20:43 |
| kerio | why not? | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: he first needs to open a dosbox | 20:43 |
| kerio | oh god D: | 20:44 |
| kerio | win+r `cmd` | 20:44 |
| SAiF | open the door, | 20:44 |
| kerio | then... | 20:44 |
| kerio | idk, is flasher in the path? | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yep, and fiasko image name you gave is wrong. We talk windoze user here ;) | 20:44 |
| SAiF | get in the car.. | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: lease stop it | 20:44 |
| SAiF | ok | 20:44 |
| kerio | so | 20:44 |
| kerio | where's flasher-3.5.exe usually installed? | 20:44 |
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| SAiF | it will be asked while nstalling | 20:45 |
| freemangordon | under XP it is in Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.5 | 20:45 |
| solofight | freemangordon: yeah, you were saying a name wirh ARM in it | 20:45 |
| SAiF | mostly in program files64 i guess | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PLEASE!!! don't tell solofight to start flasher-3.5 from menu! | 20:45 |
| freemangordon | it MUST start it from there | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | *he | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | as it sets up the environment for the flasher | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | and opens a cmd promt in the correct directory | 20:46 |
| kerio | really? :O | 20:46 |
| freemangordon | really | 20:46 |
| * Sicelo is also surprised.. | 20:47 | |
| SAiF | yes. thats correct. | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik it also closes that cmd promt immediately after flasher quits | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | you don;t have %path% to the flasher executable | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | no, it opens cmd.exe | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | you have to type flasher3.5 by hand :) | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 20:47 |
| * solofight is dozing off... | 20:47 | |
| Sicelo | i don't recall ever seeing Maemo on XP start menu.. then again, ran flasher on windows only once | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so... solofight still waiting what to do | 20:48 |
| solofight | will set an alarm after the download gets over, will come here to read the instructions and perform the same | 20:48 |
| solofight | is that ok ? | 20:48 |
| kerio | solofight: wait, have you downloaded the first file? | 20:48 |
| kerio | we can save your n900 right now | 20:48 |
| kerio | i mean, try | 20:48 |
| solofight | kerio: currently the 191mb file is going on, remaining two is over | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | soltys: pause that big one | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | oops | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why pause it? | 20:49 |
| kerio | nah, keep it going if this fails | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | I got it wrong :) | 20:49 |
| kerio | *in case this fails | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | solofight: did you do the instructions here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 ? | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please explain solofight what to do next | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | solofight: did you install the flasher? | 20:50 |
| solofight | freemangordon: on it now | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | flasher? | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he's about to do the http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | ok | 20:51 |
| solofight | and by the way looks like i already have downloaded this libusb-win32-src-0.1.12.1.tar.gz | 20:51 |
| solofight | is this something of interest to us ? | 20:51 |
| SAiF | .tar.gz? | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you need that for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=849980#post849980 | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops | 20:52 |
| solofight | ok | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno about tar.gz | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | hmm, it says "zip" in the post | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:52 |
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| SAiF | its a zip | 20:52 |
| Sicelo | i think he downloaded source files.. :-/ | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | yeah :( | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | solofight: get this http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb-win32/files/latest/download | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what freemangordon said | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | solofight: and extract it somewhere on your PC | 20:54 |
| solofight | when i do the 3rd step, i see the nokia logo with the backlight and the usb icon on the top right - is it correct ? | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:55 |
| solofight | and nothing happens - i am waiting | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | get the ^^^ zip and extract it somewhere | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has the inf-wizard.exe | 20:56 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:56 |
| solofight | am downloading the libusb .zip package now | 20:57 |
| solofight | and by the way its very bad that the device will not charge in this stage ! | 20:57 |
| solofight | i dont have anybody else here who owns a n900 | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in bin\inf-wizard.exe | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: then don't operate it too long in that state | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the battery is compatible with a number of other phones, e.g. nokia 5800 IIRC | 20:59 |
| Sicelo | solofight: N900 uses same battery as a couple of other Nokia | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 20:59 |
| SAiF | by the way, One question solofight: have you installed Nokia PC suite o this machne? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | faster ;-) | 20:59 |
| Sicelo | :p | 20:59 |
| solofight | it gave me installation successfull as per this link http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 | 21:00 |
| solofight | now what ? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great! | 21:00 |
| solofight | SAiF: yes | 21:00 |
| freemangordon | solofight: what is that, inf-wizard.exe? | 21:00 |
| SAiF | oops | 21:00 |
| solofight | freemangordon: yes | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | solofight: follow the next steps then | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: :nod: | 21:01 |
| SAiF | wait | 21:01 |
| solofight | next step is this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows ??? | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | "Check Windows Device Manager for "libusb-win32 devices", expand and verify "Nokia N900 (Update Mode)" can be found." | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | is it there? | 21:01 |
| solofight | yes | 21:02 |
| solofight | yes | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | now go to: | 21:02 |
| SAiF | IIRC you have to stop one service 'which I dont remember' for the flashing to be succesful. | 21:02 |
| SAiF | I may be wrong | 21:02 |
| SAiF | you may continue freemangordon | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | solofight: "Start Menu->Programs->Maemo->Maemo Flasher 3.5" | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, some stuff of nokia suite is conflicting | 21:02 |
| solofight | freemangordon: yes | 21:02 |
| solofight | done | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | and start "Maemo Flasher 3.5" | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | you should have a command prompt after that | 21:03 |
| solofight | freemangordon: i have a dos window like screen infront of me now | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | great! | 21:03 |
| solofight | it is inside the flasher-3.5 directory | 21:03 |
| solofight | can i pull the battery from the phone to save power now or should it stay on ? | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | solofight: no, from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | don;t | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | no, | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | we are 1 step away from flashing | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, then not | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | solofight: from windows explorer, copy the .fiasco file to that directory | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | and run: | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | "flasher-3.5.exe -f -F zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5.fiasco -R" | 21:04 |
| freemangordon | without quotes | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: he can remove battery during doing that | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | instead of watzching phone bootloop | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | it is in update mode | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (during copying that is) | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | it is not bootlooping | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I's first test if flasher works at all | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | stop it, please | 21:06 |
| solofight | freemangordon: it says flashing done | 21:06 |
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| SAiF | o.O | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow! :-) | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | he has nokia n900 update mode in device manager | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | missed that | 21:06 |
| kerio | solofight: it should be booting right now | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | solofight: did it reboot? | 21:06 |
| solofight | yes and now i see the charging led glowing | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | the device that is | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:06 |
| kerio | glowing or pulsating? | 21:06 |
| solofight | should is try and start the device nwo ? | 21:07 |
| solofight | now* | 21:07 |
| solofight | pulsating | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | it should be booting right noe | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | *now | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let it sit like this | 21:07 |
| kerio | ok, it's saved | 21:07 |
| solofight | yellow - which means its charging right ? | 21:07 |
| kerio | ish | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:07 |
| kerio | let it wait a bit | 21:07 |
| kerio | then turn it on | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait til LED green | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | may take an hour | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | from NOLO? | 21:07 |
| kerio | freemangordon: he said pulsating | 21:07 |
| kerio | so bme | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | device already in act_dead | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | solofight: oh, wait, connect it to wall charger | 21:08 |
| solofight | ok i pressed the power button and its booting now.... i see the nokia hands logo and sound | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or that | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | solofight: you're saved :) | 21:08 |
| kerio | "let it sit" = "ok i pressed the power button" | 21:08 |
| solofight | now i see the datee and time setting screen | 21:08 |
| SAiF | great | 21:08 |
| kerio | oh you | 21:08 |
| solofight | kerio: i pressed it before i read your message - sorry | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | kerio: come on, windows user, what do you expect :P | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: no problem | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | same like me | 21:09 |
| solofight | god damn it - the device is on :D | 21:09 |
| Sicelo | why should god damn it? :p | 21:09 |
| solofight | now its asking me pc suite or mass storage - if i give pc suite, then i can sync all my data back to the device right ? | 21:09 |
| solofight | or its already there ? | 21:09 |
| SAiF | well truly that was quicker than i thought. | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine. Seems I can go for dinner now | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | it is there | 21:10 |
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| freemangordon | solofight: nothing is lost on your device | 21:10 |
| Sicelo | nothing was lost solofight :) | 21:10 |
| solofight | wow, even the camera works now | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | solofight: even the camera should beworking | 21:10 |
| solofight | you guys are awesome..... | 21:10 |
| solofight | thank you all so very much | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | solofight: no, go to HAM... | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: you could install powerkernel and get the cameradrivers working as well | 21:11 |
| solofight | kerio: freemangordon DocScrutinizer05 SAiF: you guys made my day | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 21:11 |
| solofight | you guys rock | 21:11 |
| SAiF | :) | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | *AND DISABLE* extras-testing and extras-devel repos | 21:11 |
| kerio | you still have no hostmode tho | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | kerio: and it is better that way | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly extras-testing! | 21:12 |
| solofight | what is that fiasco file anyways ? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever wants extras-testing repo, unless s/he's a teter | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tester even | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | solofight: kernel fiasco image | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | ~fiasco | 21:12 |
| infobot | L4-compatible real-time microkernel capable of running Linux in usermode. URL: http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: that is for complete reflash | 21:12 |
| solofight | what we just did is punch in the main kernel alone and it picked up ? | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | WTF | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | solofight: yep | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | something like that | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I suggest you complete that download anyway | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of the 191MB fiasco | 21:13 |
| solofight | DocScrutinizer05: yes, just resumed | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually you might need it | 21:13 |
| solofight | so is it now safe to install and uninstall the hen without problem to my camera and phone ? | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: first install recent powerkernel | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pk | 21:14 |
| infobot | An Open-Source POSIX Threads embedded real-time kernel. URL: http://www.cornfed.com/pk/ | 21:14 |
| SAiF | goodnite all | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 21:14 |
| infobot | kp is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installing powerkernel is the relevant part to enable hostmode, and it's this kernel change that causes temporary problems with camera | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | problems with camera can get solved | 21:15 |
| kerio | also, which camera stopped working? | 21:15 |
| kerio | the standard one, or fcam? | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uninstalling powerkernel is strictly NOGO. You install stock kernel to get rid of powerkernel | 21:16 |
| solofight | standard one | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: aiui KP cam module kills all cam apps | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather, the lack of this module | 21:17 |
| solofight | if its that dangerous then powerkernel should not get uninstalled when i try to uninstall the hostmode right ? | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err driver | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it shouldn't try to uninstall kernels ever | 21:18 |
| solofight | DocScrutinizer05: this gives 404 http://www.cornfed.com/pk/ | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and afaik H-E-N never did and doesn't | 21:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, is that from the KP thread? | 21:18 |
| solofight | DocScrutinizer05: so i follow this to install a powerkernel http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 ??? | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | solofight: install it from the application manager | 21:19 |
| solofight | and whats the difference between a normal kernal and a power kernel by the way ? | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | solofight: lots of | 21:19 |
| freemangordon | differences that is | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: KP has stuff like hostmode support and whatnot else | 21:20 |
| solofight | freemangordon: the name of the package will be kernel-power-flasher right ? | 21:20 |
| solofight | or i can do a sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher | 21:20 |
| solofight | correct ? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NO! | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | solofight: use application manager | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | !!! | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel-power is one of the packages that NEED HAM | 21:21 |
| Sicelo | (i been installing it with apt-get since KP47. of course, i wouldnt suggest it at all for solofight) | 21:22 |
| solofight | freemangordon: whatst the package name in application manager ? | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: sudo gainroot and then do apt-get kernel-power-flasher is exactly what gives you a situation like we just saved you from | 21:22 |
| solofight | :P | 21:22 |
| solofight | ok | 21:22 |
| solofight | whats the package name that i need to look for in the application manager | 21:23 |
| solofight | ? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Kernel for powerusers | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something like that | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | search for "kernel" | 21:23 |
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| solofight | ok thank you | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know searching works via keyboard in HAM? | 21:24 |
| solofight | ok | 21:24 |
| solofight | will do once i get to a wifi zone | 21:24 |
| solofight | thank you all for the timely help | 21:24 |
| solofight | HAM ? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~HAM | 21:24 |
| infobot | [ham] Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does | 21:24 |
| solofight | AM = application manager | 21:24 |
| solofight | ? | 21:24 |
| solofight | got it | 21:25 |
| solofight | i usually use the "faster application manager" for installing and uninstalling | 21:25 |
| solofight | its not recommended ? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, another way to break your system when you dare to use fapman for KP install :-) | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fapman | 21:26 |
| infobot | fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. in short, it's deprecated | 21:26 |
| Sicelo | :P | 21:26 |
| solofight | i actually enabled testing and dev to fing the cateroise plus app... my menu is cluttered with so many icons now | 21:26 |
| Sicelo | hmm, looks like you install everything you meet :) | 21:26 |
| solofight | :P | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never enable extras-testing repo! | 21:26 |
| kerio | if it makes you feel any better, there's pretty much nothing you can do to truly break a n900 | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there#s nothing in extras-testing for you | 21:27 |
| kerio | (via software) | 21:27 |
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| kerio | except maybe overclocking | 21:27 |
| solofight | how do you guys manage your menu items ? cant we organize it in custom groups ? | 21:27 |
| solofight | like games, office_tools, social ...etc ? | 21:27 |
| * kerio uses terminal, web and xchat | 21:27 | |
| kerio | and also sometimes phone | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: I don't like catorize, I use apmefo which is kinda same | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but has pretty convenient custom groups, and you even can have same icon in several concurrent groups | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway both catorize and apmefo break when you drag&move the icons in appstarter directly | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so don't try this | 21:29 |
| solofight | oh | 21:29 |
| solofight | ok | 21:30 |
| solofight | thank you | 21:30 |
| solofight | will try | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in apmefo you can arrange icons in the apmefo config gui, by moving them up/down in the list | 21:30 |
| kerio | break as in? | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: HD nukes the custom dirs of apmefo | 21:30 |
| kerio | oh | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't know of submenus | 21:30 |
| kerio | so it's "broken" until you actually reapply the settings | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you can open apmefo settings and save | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and everything back to normal | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that sucks | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since you have a hard time finding the icon of apmefo to start it ;-) | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when the complete appstarter is messed up | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in MHD/CSSU you can lock/disable icon dragging in appstarter | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20131228-203356.png | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first row of 5 are submenus | 21:39 |
| Sicelo | what is bq27k monitor? | 21:43 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: ^^ | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq27200.sh in a xterm | 21:45 |
| Sicelo | ok. | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda like mc | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which also just opens a shell with mc | 21:46 |
| Sicelo | irssi, htop, etc ;) | 21:48 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ooh, FAM, that is why KP got uninstalled :( | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:53 |
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