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| SpeedEvil | It's just a USB charger | 00:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | USB battery | 00:07 |
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| FIQ | hm | 01:20 |
| FIQ | ok, so I noticed that inserting this mobile battery inside my N900 lead to visible sparks at the top side right above insertion (behind the N900 cover text, kinda) | 01:21 |
| FIQ | is this a bad thing? | 01:21 |
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| FIQ | the phone also refuses to boot, but that happens sometimes in general too (in which the solution is to just reove and reinsert the battery) | 01:22 |
| FIQ | should I ignore it and just boot it or stop using this battery? | 01:22 |
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| FIQ | strangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself | 01:25 |
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| FIQ | took out and reinserted the battery, no sparks, and it seems to work properly now, but uh.. should I use the battery, and is there no problem and just something temporary? everything I can find googling is that estel had noticed such issue in one case of some kind of special bttery | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? SPARKS?? | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I *strongly* recommend not using this battery any more. I actually recommend storing it outside your house in a steel containment | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | where exactly where the sparks? I seem to not get your description | 01:39 |
| FIQ | you know the small metal things that hold the battery in place on the phone? | 01:39 |
| FIQ | there | 01:39 |
| FIQ | i.e. the 2... things I can't describe properly | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also this sentence doesn't make sense to me: >>strangely it's not the side which is (dis)charged, but the other side.. on the N900 itself<< | 01:39 |
| FIQ | i.e. not the 3-connector-side, but the other side of the battery | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the spring latches at bottom of battery | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | made of steel | 01:40 |
| FIQ | the side with the logo | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | logo? you mean the hologram? | 01:41 |
| FIQ | yeah | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the sparks are inside that battery, right? | 01:42 |
| FIQ | they appear between the battery and the phone's latches | 01:42 |
| FIQ | during insertion | 01:42 |
| FIQ | well, appeared | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a pretty scary thing to happen | 01:43 |
| FIQ | well, it seems to work just fine now (didn't turn it on, but holding power button makes led appear happily like usual) | 01:43 |
| FIQ | what do you suggest me doing? | 01:43 |
| xes | FIQ: What are you waiting for? The phone or the battery explosion? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as I said above: discard the battery safely | 01:44 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: hmmmmmmm ok | 01:44 |
| xes | hi DocScrutinizer05! | 01:45 |
| FIQ | this kinda cripples me, but safety over convenience definitely | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi xes | 01:45 |
| FIQ | let's try to figure out what to do for now | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: if you feel venturous, you can disassemble the battery by peeling off the plastic sticky tape jacket - on a fireproof bench under open sky | 01:46 |
| FIQ | I don't understand what you mean | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean you either store the battery in a tin box or tin can in the open outside your home (on lacony or your garden) until you move to a disposal site where you can get rid of it, or you disassemble the battery to see what was wrong with it if you're curious enough | 01:48 |
| xes | the first trick to identify a damaged battery is to put it on the table and check if it's a little inflated instead to be perfectly flat... | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not do the dis-assembly in a closed room | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: this one *sparks* | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so not the usual swelling | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might have an internal short or sth | 01:50 |
| FIQ | just to make eventual translations clear of any mis-understanding: with sparking, I mean that white light appeared during insertion between the batttery and phone as explained above | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shorting LiIon cell is usually a poor idea | 01:50 |
| FIQ | if this is not mis-understood, I'll make sure to get rid of that battery ASAP tomorrow (it's 00:51 atm, I don't have much better choice) | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: yes, this can only be the battery inside, I think | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | place it outside your room, best place it outside any room | 01:52 |
| FIQ | should I remove the battery from N900 or keep it inside atm? | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure place it away from any flammable materials | 01:52 |
| xes | FIQ: a new HQ battery costs 13 euro. Would you live with the risk of an exploding phone in your pouch? | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remove!! | 01:53 |
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| FIQ | xes: definitely not | 01:53 |
| FIQ | xes: just trying to figure out what to do *right now* at 1am when everyone sleeps | 01:53 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: ok | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would you want to risk your house burning down? | 01:53 |
| FIQ | so let's see, atm I'm considering placing it either outside (where I'll have trouble finding it tomorrow) or inside in a closed room far from everyone else (including me) | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on your window board maybe? | 01:56 |
| FIQ | the former will most likely kill the battery off for good (and possibly even making it more likely to do silly stuff), the latter is more unsafe in case it *does* do silly stuff | 01:56 |
| FIQ | hm perhaps | 01:56 |
| xes | window----------wire--------------battery :) | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not a big fire or explosion that could happen, just a smal one like lighting a complete box of lighters maybe | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the fumes are toxic | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/lighters/matches/ | 01:58 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not of the same idea, if charged can create a nice fire cloud of ~30 - 40 cm diameter | 01:58 |
| FIQ | it is fully charged, unless the charging stopped working mid-charge | 01:59 |
| FIQ | (as I was charging it before noticing this) | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: well yes, like a matchbox full of matches lighting up | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a bit worse | 02:00 |
| FIQ | hm | 02:01 |
| FIQ | ok I'll leave it outside in the balcony, currently it's -5C outside so it should have a hard time doing anything nasty | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0#t=122 maybe a *tad* worse | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0#t=115 | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, 7s too late | 02:04 |
| xes | ..a matchbox full of matches eh? | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0#t=152 | 02:06 |
| xes | btw 18650 are the most dangerous cells.. | 02:07 |
| FIQ | 2m from house should be safe in case of explosion, right? | 02:10 |
| FIQ | (balcony was locked eh, had to resort to literally placing it outside of the house in the open) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 18650 literally nuked off some dude's balcony | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: 2m should be fine | 02:11 |
| FIQ | ok then | 02:12 |
| xes | :) it's "funny" when you start thinking that your laptop usually contains at least 8 x 18650... | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, I seem to have no bookmark on this event. The dude inserted two 18650 into a 50W torch and switched it on to full power. It heated up and when he dropped it an explosion happened that blasted away the 1m^2 of balcony balustrade and created a 2cm wide crater in the concrete or stone floor | 02:20 |
| FIQ | so... once people wake up in a few hours, what should I do with the battery? | 02:20 |
| FIQ | i.e. where to get rid of it | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good question. I don't know about regulations at your place, here we got special dumps for toxic and problematic waste, which are managed by a few "experts" | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't feel too scared, the LiIon cell will "warn" you well ahead of time (at least some 10 seconds), by getting hot and swelling | 02:23 |
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| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC that was on the "powerful LED flashlights" forum | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:27 |
| Hurrian | funny thing too actually, I've got a few boxes of 18650 downstairs for an EV project when summer/xmas break rolls around | 02:28 |
| mashina | chug the clubmate friends | 02:29 |
| mashina | it's german hacker christmastime, aka CCC | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the problem with the power torch been the aluminum case made of massive and airtight seals | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: HUH? | 02:29 |
| Hurrian | do the batteries vent that much gas? | 02:29 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: can I just throw it at an usual "dispose your used batteries here" place? because I have no idea what to do otherwise :p | 02:30 |
| FIQ | tried to google it a bit, foudn nothing | 02:30 |
| FIQ | *found | 02:30 |
| mashina | i thought you were a german hacker, and thus went to ccc and drank clubmate | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: I don't know | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: that's in one month | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mashina: we still have November | 02:31 |
| mashina | ahright | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you're on a different calendar, dunno | 02:31 |
| mashina | but you know, christmas season starts in november | 02:31 |
| mashina | that's how retailers and venezuela do it | 02:31 |
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| FIQ | backup battery charged, just tried to insert it in phone and carefully see what it did | 02:40 |
| FIQ | if it would *also* spark, then I would stop using both N900 and my charger and resort to my old phone | 02:41 |
| FIQ | allthough there was no signs of any issues | 02:41 |
| FIQ | so it's all good I guess (*that* battery that is | 02:41 |
| FIQ | tried 3 times in a row to make sure | 02:41 |
| FIQ | ) | 02:41 |
| FIQ | allthough it might be worth pointing out that I've ocasionally seen my phone shut off and refuse to boot again without taking out and reinserting the battery, I assumed this was due to my springs being loose, I never took this into consideration | 02:45 |
| FIQ | but now I'm pretty sure that this was the same battery and that it has acted like this for a bit too long to really call it safe | 02:45 |
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| winocm | IRQ | 02:57 |
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| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: how does issues like these originate in first place though? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I never heard of any such incidence | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be a cable came loose or an isolator broken | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or some conductive debris got in during fabrication | 03:07 |
| FIQ | I've used this battery for 4 years | 03:08 |
| FIQ | almost | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dilusion? | 03:08 |
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| FIQ | there was no issue originally, but I've had issues like described above (@random shutdowns with impossibility to turn on) since a few months back | 03:09 |
| FIQ | dilusion? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | delusion | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but when you had other related issues too, then hardly | 03:09 |
| FIQ | yeah, I just never realized that they could stem from a bad battery | 03:10 |
| FIQ | and thus never did anything about it | 03:10 |
| FIQ | (given that I had another, unrelated, problem wih my springs) | 03:10 |
| FIQ | [02:09:29] <DocScrutinizer05> delusion | 03:11 |
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| FIQ | well, apart from a few (rare) drops of the phone from time to time, I haven't really handled it badly | 03:12 |
| FIQ | so yeah | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody from USA or Canada awake? | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have a question regarding your phone carriers | 07:40 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/28/exnokia_team_unveil_jolla_smartphone_with_added_sailfish_os/ | 08:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 09:30 |
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| vi__ | 18650 are not dangerous. | 10:34 |
| vi__ | wtf | 10:34 |
| vi__ | does that mean 36650 are 2*dangerous? | 10:35 |
| vi__ | any lithium battery will nuke if it is overcharged/reverse polarity. | 10:35 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: good lord. some of the questions in here in the past 20hours. Batteries sparking? Hand wound Chinese dynamo? | 10:42 |
| vi__ | What do you wan to know about US carriers? | 10:43 |
| Hurrian | vi__: there are so many badly made 18650 though. | 10:43 |
| vi__ | That is true. | 10:44 |
| Hurrian | given their energy density, Really Bad Things(tm) can happen, compared to other plain ol' dinky batteries | 10:44 |
| vi__ | However it would have to be the worst 18650 ever to explode without promting. | 10:44 |
| vi__ | ^prompting. | 10:44 |
| vi__ | Pretty much all of the tales of exploding li-ions on the net are due to not charging them properly. | 10:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: thanks, got all answers | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1389579#post1389579 refresh! | 10:46 |
| vi__ | with lte maybe I can finally have sip over mobile phone data. | 10:47 |
| vi__ | Li-ions require special treatment. They are usually fine when they are hidden from the user in sealed pack with a charge controller. | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when UMTS doesn't suffice then odds are you're SOL | 10:47 |
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| vi__ | When there is no charge controller the user is required to obey the rules of li-ion. | 10:48 |
| vi__ | If not, that is when they explode. | 10:48 |
| Hurrian | vi__: IIRC the guy who used the 18650s in his super duper LED flashlight just supplied rated voltage to it. | 10:49 |
| Hurrian | isn't there supposed to be a curve? | 10:49 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: I seem to get around 300ms ping over 3g. | 10:49 |
| vi__ | This makes SIP SUCK. | 10:49 |
| vi__ | Hurrian: I do not know specifically which case you are referring too. The most famous case I read where the guy almost blew his hand off was very much his own fault. | 10:50 |
| vi__ | Also he nearly burned his house down. | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, this actually almost doesn't matter | 10:50 |
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| vi__ | He was using knockoff cells in a knockoff charger in a knockoff light. | 10:50 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: you are saying 300ms ping is ok? | 10:51 |
| Hurrian | Li-ion bomb! | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, for VoIP | 10:51 |
| vi__ | huh. | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what would be the negative effect? | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you hearing far end 150ms later? | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how terrible! ;-P | 10:54 |
| vi__ | mmm | 10:56 |
| vi__ | then why does the n900 sound like shit over a 3g connection? | 10:57 |
| vi__ | which codec is best for a high latency line? | 10:57 |
| vi__ | ilbc? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 10:59 |
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| jaska | need lithium6-deuteride batteries. | 11:40 |
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| kerio | my Conversations stopped working, lol | 14:27 |
| auenfx4 | blank? | 14:35 |
| mashina | have you tried turning it off and on again? | 14:36 |
| kerio | auenfx4: eyup | 14:41 |
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| auenfx4 | err, n9 or n900? | 14:41 |
| kerio | n900 | 14:42 |
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| auenfx4 | dont recall seeing blank with n900 | 14:47 |
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| vi__ | perhaps your database has become corrupted? | 15:02 |
| vi__ | try renaming it see if it works. | 15:03 |
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| kerio | i deleted draft.db already | 15:04 |
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| vi__ | I meant the txt message db. | 15:09 |
| kolp | kerio: It's ~/rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db | 15:09 |
| vi__ | kolp: ty | 15:09 |
| kolp | s/rtcom/.rtcom/ | 15:09 |
| infobot | kolp meant: kerio: It's ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db | 15:09 |
| kerio | oic | 15:10 |
| vi__ | DONT DELETE IT! | 15:10 |
| vi__ | rename it! | 15:10 |
| kerio | why | 15:12 |
| kerio | hey vi__ | 15:14 |
| kerio | u mad | 15:14 |
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| vi__ | No, I am utterly ambivalent to the notion that you may lose your entire history of txt messages. | 15:20 |
| vi__ | wtf is this: | 15:21 |
| vi__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_fingerprinting | 15:21 |
| vi__ | It smells like bs to me. | 15:21 |
| fizzie | There seems to be a number of more or less sensible-looking academic papers on the concept, for different kinds of radio transmitters, but not really much about it being applied in practice to modern cell phones, except vague allusions to some commercial product from around 1998-2000 -- "PhonePrint", by "Corsair Communications" -- and there doesn't seem to be much of anything newer written ... | 15:37 |
| fizzie | ... about the product or even the company itself. | 15:37 |
| fizzie | (Some of the "PhonePrint" press releases do bear quite a resemblance to parts of that Wikipedia article.) | 15:37 |
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| LjL | shame on me, i haven't turned on my N900 in months now | 16:23 |
| LjL | and i just found out i probably should, since Android is going all proprietary ;( | 16:23 |
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| vi__ | android is going proprietary? | 16:33 |
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| SAiF | ?? | 16:39 |
| LjL | vi__: well, they're moving more and more components that used to be part of it into Google apps, and deprecating/abandoning the open solutions... i think the icing on the cake so far is the location API | 16:41 |
| LjL | good article about it http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/ | 16:42 |
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| vi__ | fucking proprietary software. | 16:45 |
| vi__ | I appreciate you have to make some bucks, but when the hardware is utterly obsolete, let people use it. | 16:46 |
| vi__ | so are there any platforms that do not suck all the asses? | 16:47 |
| * LjL is wondering too, but thinks not | 16:50 | |
| LjL | i hope my N900's battery isn't all kinds of dead from the neglect | 16:52 |
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| vi__ | LjL: batteries are cheap as f* | 16:55 |
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| LjL | vi__: but it's often kind of hard to determine whether they're actually original, when buying them from ebay or amazon | 16:59 |
| LjL | and when buying them elsewhere (if they're available at all), they're usually not all that cheap at all | 16:59 |
| vi__ | hey intel gma500 drivers source code is available. | 16:59 |
| vi__ | it is linked to on the openpandora boards | 17:00 |
| vi__ | intel gma500 is a rebranded powervr535 | 17:00 |
| vi__ | n900 has a shitty powervr530 | 17:02 |
| vi__ | by some magic can I get vsync now? | 17:02 |
| SAiF | atleast it have one | 17:02 |
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| kerio | vi__: that 1600mAh battery is still going strong, btw | 17:03 |
| kerio | not sure about yours | 17:03 |
| vi__ | eh? | 17:03 |
| vi__ | I do not even know where mine is. | 17:03 |
| kerio | D: | 17:03 |
| vi__ | I pulled the label off to look inside, | 17:03 |
| vi__ | Then I lost it somewhere. | 17:04 |
| kerio | why did you do that | 17:04 |
| kerio | you let the magic leak out | 17:04 |
| vi__ | I wanted to see if the true capacity was stamped on thte side of the cell. | 17:04 |
| vi__ | I told you it was 1600mAh. | 17:04 |
| kerio | i know! | 17:04 |
| vi__ | I am using an old 1530 scud at the moment. | 17:04 |
| kerio | it's still like 1580mAh or something | 17:05 |
| vi__ | It is probably down to ~12-1300 mAh. | 17:05 |
| vi__ | nice. | 17:05 |
| vi__ | Can you still buy them? | 17:05 |
| kerio | it's a surprisingly good battery | 17:05 |
| kerio | i couldn't find it anymore on aliexpress | 17:05 |
| vi__ | Obviously it was too good. The government must have pulled the plug. | 17:06 |
| kerio | haha | 17:06 |
| vi__ | I would like a raw li-ion cell with no protection that will fit in the battery bay. | 17:06 |
| vi__ | It would be at least 1700mAh. | 17:06 |
| kerio | i wonder if i should just wait for a neo900 at this point | 17:06 |
| kerio | my n900 has a broken wifi :( | 17:07 |
| vi__ | aw man. | 17:07 |
| vi__ | that sucks asses | 17:07 |
| kerio | i should still try to reflash it | 17:07 |
| kerio | and yeah, it's kind of awful | 17:07 |
| vi__ | what is worse, broken wifi or broken CMT? | 17:07 |
| kerio | to be fair, i have working usb networking and, in some way, working bluetooth PAN | 17:08 |
| kerio | there's no good bluetooth PAN UI tho | 17:08 |
| vi__ | no | 17:08 |
| vi__ | what about a smashed n900 on ebay? | 17:08 |
| vi__ | Get the mobo out of it. | 17:08 |
| kerio | i have a n900 with a working wifi | 17:08 |
| vi__ | oh. | 17:08 |
| kerio | and broken musb | 17:08 |
| vi__ | rofl. | 17:09 |
| kerio | lolololo | 17:09 |
| vi__ | broken n900 have hit ~40 euro on fleabay. | 17:11 |
| deepy | Maybe I should sell my working one and pay my rent with it | 17:11 |
| vi__ | is your rent 70 euro? | 17:11 |
| kerio | don't be silly | 17:11 |
| deepy | becuase the browser IS TOO SLOW FOR ME D: | 17:11 |
| vi__ | deepy: uninstall adblock. | 17:12 |
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| deepy | I don't have adblock | 17:12 |
| vi__ | install some flash blocker. | 17:12 |
| deepy | I'm looking at pure HTML pages | 17:12 |
| vi__ | overclock the shit out of it. | 17:12 |
| kerio | and THEN sell it! | 17:12 |
| vi__ | crank that mutha to 1.15GHz. | 17:12 |
| vi__ | No mercy. | 17:12 |
| deepy | I don't trust overclocking | 17:12 |
| vi__ | ... | 17:13 |
| vi__ | why? | 17:13 |
| kerio | maybe the cpu will calculate some bits wrong | 17:13 |
| deepy | Because it traditionally meant voiding warranty, sacrificing stability and increasing heat | 17:13 |
| vi__ | rofl. | 17:13 |
| kerio | >warranty | 17:13 |
| deepy | >traditionally | 17:14 |
| kerio | besides, winter is coming | 17:14 |
| deepy | I'm Swedish, there's no such thing as winter | 17:14 |
| vi__ | so why don't you trust overclocking now? | 17:14 |
| kerio | if you're swedish, why the hell do you care about extra heat | 17:14 |
| deepy | Because I live in Dublin, we have eternal autumn | 17:14 |
| kerio | oic | 17:14 |
| vi__ | also undervolting somewhat mitigates heat thing. | 17:14 |
| kerio | not really | 17:15 |
| vi__ | yeah really. | 17:15 |
| kerio | besides, the heat is really not the issue here | 17:15 |
| vi__ | then what is the issue? | 17:15 |
| vi__ | I dont get it. | 17:15 |
| kerio | it eventually poops out | 17:15 |
| kerio | a lot sooner than the usual | 17:15 |
| vi__ | O dear lord. I have reduced the lifespan of my processor from 10000000 hours to 1000000 hours. | 17:16 |
| vi__ | again, undervolting mitigates this. | 17:17 |
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| vi__ | deepy: install power kernel. | 17:18 |
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| vi__ | It comes with smartreflex activated. | 17:18 |
| vi__ | it will overclock your device by around %30 and you will have a longer battery life as well. | 17:19 |
| kerio | u wot m8 | 17:19 |
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| vi__ | I assume powerkernel comes with the powerkernel settings script and the default profiles is as I have just said. | 17:20 |
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| kerio | there's no overclock by default | 17:20 |
| kerio | and even smartreflex isn't enabled until you decide | 17:20 |
| vi__ | Oh. Ok. | 17:20 |
| vi__ | I stand corrected. | 17:21 |
| vi__ | deepy: to make it go faster, install powerkernel. enable SR and overclock 250-805MHz. | 17:22 |
| vi__ | wham bam, thank you FMG. | 17:23 |
| kerio | install cssu-thumb first! | 17:23 |
| kerio | maybe it'll be fast enough | 17:23 |
| vi__ | yeah that too. | 17:23 |
| kerio | without overclocking | 17:23 |
| vi__ | Dont be such a puff. | 17:23 |
| vi__ | OC it. | 17:23 |
| vi__ | 1.15GHz. | 17:23 |
| vi__ | No mercy. | 17:23 |
| vi__ | Go hard or go home. | 17:23 |
| SAiF | I couldnt get it past 950.. | 17:24 |
| vi__ | ~3! | 17:24 |
| infobot | hmm... 3! is 6 | 17:24 |
| vi__ | ~!999999999 | 17:24 |
| vi__ | ~99999! | 17:24 |
| vi__ | ~9999! | 17:24 |
| SAiF | even in 950 when I run heavy, It collapse | 17:25 |
| vi__ | ~999! | 17:25 |
| infobot | ~999 | 17:25 |
| vi__ | infobot that is bullshit. | 17:25 |
| infobot | vi__: I think you lost me on that one | 17:25 |
| vi__ | SAiF: SR does not work above 805. | 17:25 |
| vi__ | IIRC. | 17:25 |
| SAiF | oops thats it | 17:26 |
| kerio | vi__: 4e2564 | 17:26 |
| SAiF | so how should I be OC ing | 17:27 |
| vi__ | kerio: sorry, i only count up to base12. | 17:27 |
| vi__ | SAiF: start off by reading the wiki section on overclocking. | 17:27 |
| SAiF | okay.. | 17:28 |
| kerio | SAiF: 3ghz or you're a pussy | 17:28 |
| vi__ | in short...install powerkernel, install powerkernel settings, kernel-config limits 250 805 | 17:29 |
| vi__ | kerio: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4494088129_9b62ba7b1f.jpg | 17:29 |
| SAiF | its even above microwave frequency, | 17:29 |
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| android_808 | freemangordon: ping | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~omap-oc | 18:20 |
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| infobot | rumour has it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~overclocking | 18:20 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sr | 18:20 |
| infobot | [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<< | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also SR is massively overrated | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might crate a maybe 10% runtime improvement on particular special use cases, like mp3 playback | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | create* | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | usually you'll not notice a difference at all. Why? Because CPU usually is doing "rush to idle" means it's running on max CPU clock to go to idle/zeroclock the faster, thus no SR will have any effect since it only is relevant for clock scaling to fractions of max CPU clock | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so in my book SR definitely is not worth the risk. Particularly since you never know what memory corruption will cause as fallout. Odds are all sorts of terrible things happen that you never would associate to SR | 18:28 |
| vi__ | I have been running my device with SR enabled sine it was 'fixed'. | 18:29 |
| vi__ | That is what, 1.5 years now? | 18:29 |
| vi__ | on is it only 1? I forget. | 18:30 |
| vi__ | No corruption here. | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how do you even know? | 18:30 |
| vi__ | I think 1 year is a looooong test case. especially for a 'heavy' user. | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there been no "fix2 for SR | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just an enabling of stuff Nokia intentionally disabled to protect users | 18:31 |
| vi__ | I think FMG did a little more than uncomment some code. | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem is we have no understanding of why SR was disabled. Was it 'we can't prove 100% that it's reliable on all devices' or 'stuff catches fire' | 18:33 |
| vi__ | Who knows. | 18:33 |
| vi__ | The anecdotal evidence, which there is a lot of suggests it is now working OK. | 18:34 |
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| Pali | speex arm neon optimalization (which is closed in n900/maemo5) was opened, look: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2011-September/008242.html | 18:42 |
| vi__ | cool | 18:43 |
| Pali | I do not understand why nobody informed maemo devs about it 2 years ago when it happened | 18:44 |
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| Pali | jpeg neon oplimazations was opened too and patches are already in jpeg-turbo project | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: nonsense | 18:44 |
| vi__ | ~vi__ | 18:45 |
| infobot | somebody said vi__ was 13:21 < DocScrutinizer05> vi__: you're absolutely right | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't make me redefine the factoid! :-P | 18:45 |
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| Pali | and here is git repo with that neon speex patches created/maintained by author of patches: https://gitorious.org/oku-speex/speex | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to state you are willing to gamble on not having one of the maybe 10% lemons that don't work, or that you don't care MTBF going down form maybe 5000h to 500 or 10 or whatever, or that you don't need the level of reliablity or safety that Nokia thought is mandatory for commercial products. But don't claim Nokia and TI were simply too dull or evel minded to put their own technology to proper work, that's extreme hybris and silly | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: maybe Neon is considered a bummer? | 18:49 |
| solofight | people, i am trying to install the usb host mode gui application on my nokia n900 running maemo but i get this error - http://pastebin.com/ULgCDLyg | 18:49 |
| vi__ | I never said such a thing. | 18:49 |
| solofight | even if i try to force the installation with -f it aint installing the app | 18:49 |
| solofight | how to proceed ? | 18:49 |
| solofight | kindly help | 18:50 |
| vi__ | I said 'I do not know why nokia/ti could not make it work' or something like that. | 18:50 |
| vi__ | what kernel are you running? | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: install i2ctools manually | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you also need to install a recent powerkernel | 18:51 |
| solofight | DocScrutinizer05: i2ctools manually ? you mean download the file and compile it in the system ? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: don't you think nokia and TI also didn't know, and felt pretty pissed about it? | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 18:52 |
| solofight | recent powerkernel ? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: download the .deb and and install with dpkg -i | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 18:52 |
| infobot | rumour has it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: sorry for the inconveniences but recently it seems our repos bitrot a lot | 18:53 |
| Pali | ~kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 18:54 |
| infobot | Pali: i already had it that way | 18:54 |
| Pali | ~kp | 18:54 |
| infobot | from memory, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: again, see | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +sr | 18:54 |
| Pali | wtf? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sr | 18:54 |
| infobot | [SmartReflex] >>Again, TI and we [Nokia] couldn't fix SmartReflex - we say memory corruption in front of our own eyes with that enabled, so we had to ship that disabled.<< | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (verbatim quote FatPhil ) | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (who been kernel maintainer at Nokia) | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so unless you can come up with a proper stresstest on a number of devices like >NN, to spot *every* memory corruption caused by SR, you can't even claim it's supposed to have seen any fixes at all | 18:57 |
| vi__ | Well in my opinion it is fine. | 18:59 |
| vi__ | Use it at your own risk. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opinions are like a..... | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody got one | 18:59 |
| vi__ | give me a break. | 18:59 |
| vi__ | I am not some 2 bit shit shoveling 'rom cooker' from xda developer. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just don't claim "SR is ficed"! it isn't! | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fixed* | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all that got accomplished is parts of community deliberately ignoring a bugreport from inside Nokia | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and working around the safeguards Nokia implemented in kernel after they found out | 19:01 |
| vi__ | It works for me. | 19:01 |
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| vi__ | I enjoy my extra 10% battery life while cpu is at work. | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WFM is the worst of all statements when it comes to heissenbugs | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and your 10% extra only happen when your CPU runs at 250MHz | 19:02 |
| vi__ | wot | 19:02 |
| vi__ | The cpu is running on a reduced voltage on every frequency step. | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha!!! | 19:03 |
| vi__ | Not just 250. | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so WTF would Nokia decide to overvolt the CPU? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and why would SR be needed to fix that? | 19:03 |
| vi__ | Who claims they overvolted the CPU? | 19:04 |
| solofight | DocScrutinizer05: so i need to manuall download the .deb package of i2ctools and then do a apt-get install kernel-power-flasher | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and how *could* it fix that? | 19:04 |
| solofight | correct ? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: YOU | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-28 18:03:23] <vi__> The cpu is running on a reduced voltage on every frequency step. | 19:04 |
| vi__ | Nokia set the CPU voltage within a nice safe margin, guaranteed to work on all devices. | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | solofight: kernel-power-flasher *modules and kernel-power | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 19:05 |
| infobot | kp is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though I heard right now a working KP should be in extras-devel again | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | asl Pali | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask* | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when post #1 in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 doesn't have the info it should have | 19:06 |
| Pali | ~kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 19:06 |
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| infobot | i already had it that way, Pali | 19:06 |
| Pali | ~kp | 19:06 |
| infobot | methinks kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 19:06 |
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| Pali | kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 19:06 |
| Pali | ~kp | 19:06 |
| infobot | it has been said that kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 19:06 |
| Pali | bad link again | 19:07 |
| Pali | infobot is not working... | 19:07 |
| Pali | kp52 is in extras | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you're not working | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 19:07 |
| zammy | infobot has to get graduated | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal kp | 19:07 |
| infobot | "#maemo kp" is "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665" | 19:07 |
| zammy | XD | 19:07 |
| Pali | [18:06:30] <infobot> i already had it that way, Pali | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal kp | 19:08 |
| infobot | "#maemo kp" is "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665" | 19:08 |
| zammy | which way | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget _default kp | 19:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i didn't have anything called '_default kp' to forget | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget kp | 19:08 |
| infobot | i forgot kp, DocScrutinizer05 | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal kp | 19:08 |
| infobot | "#maemo kp" is "http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665" | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 19:08 |
| infobot | hmm... kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 19:09 |
| infobot | ...but #maemo kp is already something else... | 19:09 |
| zammy | forget boobs | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 19:09 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 19:09 |
| zammy | ok...? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 19:09 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: better? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: please make sure you are editing the correct factoid! | 19:09 |
| Pali | ah, this aliasing is bad | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is no aliasing | 19:10 |
| Pali | there is factoid aliasing | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is channel specific factoid search | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chanset #maemo | 19:10 |
| infobot | chan: #maemo (see _default also) | 19:10 |
| infobot | OnJoin => 1, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default | 19:10 |
| Pali | by default ~kp modifing something else as showing | 19:10 |
| Pali | so when infobot told me that "i already had it that way, Pali" I did not know why it still shown me old link | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: infobot is in ~120 channels | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you mustn't fight with 119 other channels about pretty commonplace factoid keys like "kp" | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~chaninfo | 19:12 |
| infobot | 125/125 channels, 4741 users, 3560 unique: #debian/1365, #kde/403, #maemo/243, #gsoc/237, #asterisk/214, #cubieboard/152, #wowuidev/144, #oe/143, #harmattan/120, #wowace/107, #meego/99, #arm-netbook/88, #wowhead/77, #utah/73, #/71, #webos-internals/66, #maemo-ssu/66, #openmoko/57, #edev/57, #bzflag/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #openmoko-cdevel/52, #neo900/43, #curseforge/39, #sc2mapster/38, #slug/33, #gllug/30, #uphpu/30, #elinux/30, #htc-linux/29, ... | 19:12 |
| Pali | it is BAD idea that calling "~kp new_value" is changing other factoid as calling "~kp" | 19:12 |
| vi__ | ~curseforge | 19:12 |
| infobot | curseforge is, like, at http://curseforge.com/ but is still under development. | 19:12 |
| vi__ | ~gentoosmite DocScrutinizer05 | 19:13 |
| * infobot spends 5 days recompiling DocScrutinizer05, and when it's all done, DocScrutinizer05 runs 6% slower than previously | 19:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: take it to infobot | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I don't even have access to the server infobot is running on | 19:13 |
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| zammy | infobot, should learn how to program it self | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~owner | 19:14 |
| infobot | TimRiker is my owner | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: we need factoidSearch => $chan _default otherwise factoids like kp wouldn't be available at all or point to something completely unrelated | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi dos1 | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~multiboot | 19:16 |
| infobot | i guess multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~_default multiboot | 19:17 |
| infobot | hmm... multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/ | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, another factpoid some uneducated user ruined/hijacked | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget multiboot | 19:17 |
| infobot | i forgot multiboot, DocScrutinizer05 | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys multiboot | 19:17 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'multiboot' by key (3): #maemo multiboot ;; maemo-multiboot ;; multiboot #DEL#. | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~unforget multiboot | 19:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: Successfully recovered 'multiboot'. Have fun now. | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~_default multiboot | 19:18 |
| infobot | somebody said multiboot was http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/ | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget multiboot | 19:18 |
| infobot | i forgot multiboot, DocScrutinizer05 | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~multiboot is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiboot | 19:19 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~multiboot | 19:19 |
| infobot | rumour has it, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~_default multiboot | 19:19 |
| infobot | i heard multiboot is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiboot | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: please learn to use "~literal <factoid>" to check what you are planning to teach bot | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also "~factinfo <factoid>" | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | factoid database is not a toy to mess with lightheadedly | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the way bot works can get critizised but not ignored | 19:22 |
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| Tekk_ | is there a package to get the file manager to recognize nfs shares? | 20:45 |
| Tekk_ | it picks up on the various smb shares on my network, but not my nfs one | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, prolly sth in or next to gnome-vfs or whatsitcalled | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only wild guessing | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also, NFS seriously? | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a pita even on stable wired local ethernet | 22:14 |
| Defiant | works fine over wlan | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, until $something stalls | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then happy boot time | 22:15 |
| Defiant | unless you set soft,intr or do a lazy unmount | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | usually of ALL machines in the network entangled with NFS shares | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and don't get me started about user IDs | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | current ubuntu comes with a brilliant¡ hack to use target machine's etc/passwd to convert numerical user ID to file permissions | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | go figure! | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err /etc/groups | 22:20 |
| jaska | idmap? | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and source machines etc/groups iirc | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to ship around the NFS design limitation of max (iirc) 16 auxiliary groups a user can be in | 22:22 |
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| jaska | aah | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | been so stupid I already actively forgot about the details | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since I never touch ubuntu without massive pressure and violence threat | 22:24 |
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