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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1387162#post1387162 | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: YW | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 00:57 |
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| jpinx | some time ago (years) I tried to install the wifi hotspot on my n900, but it needed a different kernel and that broke the camera. Have things improved now and can I get a wifi hotspot to work without causing other issues ? | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | camera never broke, it just needed the cam drivers matching the kernel. That's still the same, and according drivers are available like they been back when | 05:04 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: btw, reflashed, seems to work | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, your corrupted fs? | 05:04 |
| * Wizzup also just 3d printed a n900 stylus | 05:04 | |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 05:05 |
| Wizzup | it is actually very decent | 05:05 |
| Wizzup | and nice red | 05:05 |
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| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ok - thanks - I'll come back to it when I can get it on wifi connection. Updated just does not work on gprs ;) | 06:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually think the cam question is #1 FAQ with powerkernel | 06:30 |
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| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: is there a remedy for updating on a slow connection ? ;) | 06:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, probably nothing that would change things fundamentally | 07:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even with a fast connection HAM is slow, particularly when you got extras-devel enabled. And when you also got extras-testing enabled then you are in for a penalty of additional 5 min for the useless setting | 07:21 |
| robbiethe1st | Use apt-get. | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you should never do a full update-all with extras-devel enabled | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to do what? | 07:23 |
| robbiethe1st | for updating, certainly. | 07:23 |
| robbiethe1st | for installing, well, depends on how well you know what you're doing. | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get update might indeed be fast, compared to HAM, but I dunno if it really helps HAM to speed up | 07:24 |
| jpinx | robbiethe1st: apparently I need a "power kernel" and some cam driver and then the wifihotspot pkg | 07:24 |
| robbiethe1st | kernel-power, right | 07:24 |
| jpinx | I run debian on my laptop, so apt-get is not unfamiliar to me | 07:25 |
| robbiethe1st | Just so you know: "apt-get update" to update; "apt-cache search *nAME*" | 07:25 |
| robbiethe1st | In that case, it's the same. Most packages are fairly similar to Debian | 07:25 |
| * jpinx ssh's into the n900 | 07:25 | |
| robbiethe1st | Seriously, it's why I love my own N900. I run Debian as well, and it's just... the same. | 07:26 |
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| * jpinx forgot the IP numbers :( -- hang on | 07:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: apt-get doesn't work like expected on maemo | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo packaging is not exactly debian standard | 07:27 |
| robbiethe1st | It certainly *seems* to | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's the problem | 07:28 |
| robbiethe1st | The only issue is that some packages are uninstallable; ones which came with the base install. | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get dist-upgrade however kills your system | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and apt-get upgrade is also strongly deprecated | 07:29 |
| robbiethe1st | ...It can kill your system on Debian, too, if you aren't careful about what packages will be uninstalled. | 07:29 |
| jpinx | actually apt-get is back in favour for dist-upgrade in debian | 07:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Personally, I've had no issues. But then again, I'm familiar with dependency conflicts, checking what would get removed/installed before going onward | 07:30 |
| robbiethe1st | Anyway, off to bed. | 07:30 |
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| jpinx | he abandoned me :( | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the idea behind maemo packaging is that you update only ONE package: mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything in your system basically is in this metapackage, and so all the other packages have no proper dependencies | 07:34 |
| jpinx | sheeeesh -- this really is a pita -- now I'm barred from pasting because my IP is listed in honeypt.org :( | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an apt-get upgrade would likely install new versions of libs that are not compatible with the rest of the system | 07:35 |
| jpinx | I only wanted to do an update -- but it failed | 07:35 |
| jpinx | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/downloads.maemo.nokia.com_fremantle_ssu_apps_._Packages | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 07:36 |
| jpinx | what's that all about ? | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | downloads.maemo.nokia.com is pretty fux0red | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I wouldn't feel surprised when Nokia simply shut it down | 07:37 |
| jpinx | Hmmm -- what's the alternative for me ? | 07:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but more likely it's just a temporary outage | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, no new packages there anyway, since >12 months | 07:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 07:39 |
| jpinx | I'll try later ;) | 07:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what are you trying to do? | 07:40 |
| jpinx | update and install kernel power, cam driver to fix it and wifi hotspot | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all in extras-devel | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, wait | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think one tool is actually in base repo and kernel depends on it during installation | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe Pali fixed that already | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~kp | 07:42 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665 | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc to fix camera you need to uninstall *all* camera apps and then install them again | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since they might have a dependency to the obsolete kernel cam drivers | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so first you need to remove all apps that "fix" the old driver in system. With last app to uninstall the old driver vanishes and on installing apps the new driver gets installed | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably dpkg -i is a better or at least faster method, since it doesn't care about dependencies | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you simply brute-force-update the driver and done | 07:48 |
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| jpinx | but with no apt-get update available -- how to proceed ? | 08:04 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: How should I install Pali’s test kernel build from http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/kp52+git/ ? | 09:49 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Pali is not here so I cannot ask him (her?). | 09:58 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Never mind, I found the answer in one of my previous conversations with Pali on http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-23.log.html . ☺ | 10:57 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: I just now finally installed your test/prerelease kernel build from http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/kp52+git/ . | 11:00 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: Now I need to test the updated asix.ko + dm9601.ko device drivers. | 11:01 |
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| Gatta_Negra | hello all :D | 11:32 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: I have success with asix.ko + my D-Link DUB-E100 hardware version C1 and dm9601.ko + the Ethernet port of the opaque white plastic “1 Port USB Network with 3 Port USB HUB” I bought from eBay. I do not have success with dm9601.ko + the translucent blue plastic JP108-A I likely bought from eBay because no eth?/ethn network interface is created. | 11:39 |
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| brolin_empey | Pali: Hmm, now I /do/ have success with dm9601.ko + the translucent blue plastic JP108-A I likely bought from eBay. | 11:51 |
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| android_808 | merlin1991: did you receive my request via pkg interface for maintainer on mussorgsky, rtmpdump and get_iplayer? | 13:34 |
| merlin1991 | nope, the system does not notify me, I have to check the queue by hand :D | 13:35 |
| merlin1991 | android_808: did you try contacting the original maintainers? | 13:40 |
| android_808 | I tried contacting ifade for mussorgsky last sunday/monday, no reply. | 13:42 |
| android_808 | Checked activity on TMO for others. RIP's Last Activity on TMO: 09-08-11 03:40 PM, arajantie 01-16-13 10:34 AM but package never been updated | 13:43 |
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| merlin1991 | give it a few more days, if you've got no reply by sunday I'll happily make you maintainer | 13:44 |
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| android_808 | thanks. Just didn't want mussorgsky getting lost in TMO as it's had quite a few posts about extras version no working anymore. | 13:48 |
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| android_808 | freemangordon: if I ctrl+c during a pkg build, will it later resume where it left off with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -nc. Gecko taking forever on js/src/jit/* | 14:31 |
| freemangordon | yep | 14:32 |
| freemangordon | android_808: you need good HW (at least 4 cores and 4GB of ram) to build gecko in sane time | 14:33 |
| merlin1991 | and no dpkg-buildpackage alwayse starts with make disclean so nope it does not resume | 14:33 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: -nc comes from "do Not Clean", so yes, it continues from where it was interrupted | 14:34 |
| merlin1991 | heh | 14:35 |
| * merlin1991 remembered something differently | 14:35 | |
| freemangordon | this is what I use when I test some small changes in gecko | 14:35 |
| merlin1991 | ah crap I mixed it up with -uc | 14:35 |
| freemangordon | unsigned changes :P | 14:35 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: while you are here - what about a new -T update? | 14:36 |
| android_808 | 4 cores - check. Sane ammount of RAM - nope. Host is in need of replacement (2GB), VM running with ...384mb | 14:36 |
| freemangordon | android_808: oh, forget about that, I guess it swaps like mad | 14:36 |
| android_808 | ooohh yeah. :D | 14:37 |
| freemangordon | android_808: unless you want buildtimes in range of 6-10 hours :P | 14:37 |
| android_808 | luckily its not using hosts system disk. | 14:37 |
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| freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: hi, how's backcover sensor resoldering going on? | 14:40 |
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| android_808 | freemangordon: kinda got used to doing long builds. Once built several Gentoo and LFS images and a LFS/Debian patched to be all i686 compiled using 1.1ghz Duron with 384mb PC133 SDRAM with colinux. 12 hour glibc. | 14:43 |
| freemangordon | oh man, what a patience :D | 14:44 |
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| Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, no one tried yet | 15:24 |
| Gatta_Negra | i hope if I succeed in installing Android i will not have the sensor issue | 15:25 |
| Gatta_Negra | i believe it is maemo only issue | 15:25 |
| Gatta_Negra | if i can install linux or android without the scard i mean | 15:25 |
| Gatta_Negra | or if s.one patches that kernel *wink* | 15:25 |
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| freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: I doubt android will help you much | 16:22 |
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| Gatta_Negra | freemangordon_, I think if it is a kernel thing in maemo and android does not support or care about that ... | 16:26 |
| Gatta_Negra | aaand . | 16:26 |
| Gatta_Negra | if it can not be soldered back | 16:26 |
| Gatta_Negra | is there a way to short them? | 16:26 |
| Gatta_Negra | at least this I can do : D | 16:27 |
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| chem|st | tmo might be slow atm as I am updating some tables... | 17:30 |
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| freemangordon_ | Gatta_Negra: this code (checking for the sensor status) is upstreamed, I really doubt it is missing from the android kernel | 18:33 |
| Gatta_Negra | isn't that stg. that one could disabl compiling their own kernel like the debian kernel? | 18:37 |
| freemangordon_ | Gatta_Negra: not sure I parse correctly, but you can compile you rown kernel ofc | 18:38 |
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| Gatta_Negra | hm hm | 18:38 |
| Gatta_Negra | it will by my last try | 18:39 |
| Gatta_Negra | i think the little black thing is damaged | 18:39 |
| Gatta_Negra | a friend of mine looked at it and he said it is missing his legs | 18:39 |
| Gatta_Negra | its* | 18:39 |
| freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: there are no legs on that package | 18:40 |
| Gatta_Negra | i mean there are dots , metal dots where the umm.. connectors shouldbe, but no visible legs to solder | 18:40 |
| Gatta_Negra | mhm , | 18:40 |
| Gatta_Negra | than kyou | 18:40 |
| Gatta_Negra | so i will turn to a more experienced person :D | 18:40 |
| freemangordon | it'd be wise :) | 18:40 |
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| freemangordon | Gatta_Negra: remember, this is BGA package http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_grid_array | 18:42 |
| Gatta_Negra | aww! thank you :D I will read that! | 18:44 |
| Gatta_Negra | i added that in my ZIM wiki, will read it at home | 18:45 |
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| dack | I'm trying to copy files off of the micro sdcard on my N900 by using an sdcard adapter. Ubuntu doesn't recognize the format and I can't read it. What format is the card usually in? | 20:31 |
| dack | I usually take stuff off via the data cable, but I no longer have it. | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | N900 doesn't change the format, so it's whatever it was before you bought it | 20:34 |
| dack | @ShadowJK any idea why I can't read it via the adapter? | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | not really | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | dmesg? | 20:36 |
| dack | "sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled sense code" | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | get a new card reader | 20:37 |
| dack | "Sense Key : Hardware Error [current]" | 20:37 |
| dack | :) | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | pastebin all of it | 20:37 |
| dack | it's a repeating message... he's a snippet: http://pastebin.com/w5RC3haG | 20:39 |
| dack | it's possible the adapter doesn't work... I have 2 and I think I've only used one before | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | also if it's a laptop builtin reader you might have trouble | 20:40 |
| dack | oh? I've used the laptop reader before with a similar adapter with no issues | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 20:40 |
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| dack | k.. don't worry about it. I just wanted to know if there was some strange formatting in place that I was unaware of. There must be some issue with my laptop or the adapter | 20:42 |
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| ecc2g | I have this one SDHC 4GB card that works only on laptop built-in readers, the USB readers I have don't work (but work fine with my 8 and 16G SDHC cards)... so much for conformity | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | My sheevaplug which runs OS from a usb stick didn't boot again after power outage. Unplugged and replugged usb stick and usb hub. Booted up fine.. | 20:47 |
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| Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, is there some guide how to compile maemo kernel? | 20:53 |
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| Gatta_Negra | freemangordon, DocScrutinizer05 we installed power kernel 49 and the kernel module for it and now the sdcard is available :D : :D | 21:25 |
| Gatta_Negra | i thank you for all the help! | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow! | 21:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what magic this obsolete KP49 has built in | 21:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably a bug that's a feature: do *not* care about status of backcover sensor during boot | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: Pali: ^^^ while this is a nice "feature" it still feels like a bug relevant for QA in KP | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course unless it's clearly documented and evaluated and intentional | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, s/bug/regression/ | 21:35 |
| Gatta_Negra | uh uh | 21:36 |
| Gatta_Negra | DocScrutinizer05, on a second hand phone .. do I prefer well documented or somehow working? | 21:36 |
| Gatta_Negra | kernel power 49 is available in the maemo reps | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty old | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc 52 is recent | 21:37 |
| Gatta_Negra | i believe if we can find the source and have time to see the configs we will succeed in path | 21:37 |
| Gatta_Negra | ching the latest one | 21:37 |
| Gatta_Negra | but you know, i wanted it now :D | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali is master of KP | 21:38 |
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| Gatta_Negra | i believe if one should be sure kernel is ok they need to patch it / compile themselves .i am using stock kernel on my laptop now as i do not have time to compile one | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and pointing out an unexpected effect that's happening in KP is always an issue that needs looking into it, since it might introduce other more severe negative effects as well, and we want to ensure KP working absolutely 100% reliable for all maemo users | 21:39 |
| Gatta_Negra | well then. DocScrutinizer05 , what should i do ? revert back? (no sdcard) or wait for a patch? | 21:41 |
| * RST38h moos | 21:41 | |
| Gatta_Negra | will it work with pk52? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in software development (well actually in all enineering) you don't accept unsolicited positive effects as "hmm fine, then I don't need to care". Rather you start frowning why that positive effect happens without you taking care to make it happen | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: for you everything fine right now | 21:42 |
| RST38h | BTW, are KotCzarny and Gatta_Negra the same cat or two? | 21:42 |
| Gatta_Negra | i am alone her | 21:42 |
| Gatta_Negra | here :D | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((will it work with pk52?)) that's the point - nobody knows since nobody knows why it works in KP49 | 21:42 |
| Gatta_Negra | this is another feline | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: I suggest you wait for proper patch and then update to KP52 | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gatta_Negra: ...and find somebody who knows what's BGA and knows how to solder such parts with hot air reflow station | 21:45 |
| Gatta_Negra | my ex BF :((( | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :eeek: | 21:45 |
| Gatta_Negra | this is so i will keep looking :D | 21:45 |
| Gatta_Negra | i prefer my current BF to patch me a kernel than to go and bother people from the past | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 21:46 |
| Gatta_Negra | and I am not giving my new toy to a repair shop so soon after I got it | 21:46 |
| Gatta_Negra | soo easy it could be if i were a boy :D | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just keep in mind you might destroy uSD card when inserting or removing it while slot is powered | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no sexism in this channel please ;-D | 21:48 |
| Gatta_Negra | sorry i was joking | 21:50 |
| Gatta_Negra | i am sorry | 21:50 |
| Gatta_Negra | well yes, If using phone with this kernel i will power it off | 21:51 |
| Gatta_Negra | ok, what is the dev environment | 21:58 |
| Gatta_Negra | i mean we decided to try to hack it | 21:58 |
| Gatta_Negra | i reverted back to 52 (as you discouraged me of using a module from a man with 2 posts only (like taking candies from a stranger, right?)) | 21:59 |
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| Gatta_Negra | the main question is am i copiling the kernel on the nokia or virtualize the process it on my pc? | 22:10 |
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| Gatta_Negra | ok i got this one | 22:13 |
| Gatta_Negra | wish me luck :D | 22:13 |
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| ludens | uhh entire /home/user/MyDocs partition supercorrupted by the camera :O | 22:43 |
| ludens | fsck: "Logical sector size is zero." | 22:44 |
| ludens | nice :/ | 22:44 |
| ludens | now analysing with testdisk... | 22:45 |
| Wizzup | Is it possible to register `hotkeys' on the maemo main desktop, or globally? | 22:51 |
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| freemangordon | GattaNegra: wait, what?!? KP49 allows uSD to work without backcover? O.o | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ any idea? | 23:06 |
| Pali | maybe you touched cover sensor? | 23:07 |
| Pali | or was in old kp some patch which allowed it? | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | Pali: the lady has her hall sensor detached from the board (fallen off) | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | I don;t see which patch could allow that | 23:08 |
| Pali | do not know | 23:08 |
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| kerio | why is GattaNegra compiling the kernel? | 23:28 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: maybe she is curious ;) | 23:28 |
| kerio | you don't take down your house to build a new one because you're curious | 23:29 |
| kerio | :s | 23:29 |
| kerio | no, wait, bad allegory | 23:29 |
| kerio | you don't... mh | 23:29 |
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| kerio | perform brain surgery? | 23:29 |
| kerio | that's too excessive | 23:29 |
| Wizzup | I found http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83643 | 23:31 |
| Wizzup | so I guess I can just do it by talking to X | 23:31 |
| Wizzup | ;-) | 23:31 |
| Pali | patching kernel to disable back cover detection? | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | yep | 23:32 |
| Pali | it is possible and I read that some people already did it | 23:32 |
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| freemangordon | makes some sense, though not through boot parameters | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | I'd bet on an sysfs | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | s/an// | 23:32 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: I'd bet on sysfs | 23:32 |
| Pali | if I remember only commenting gpio is needed in mmc structure... | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | should be enough, yes | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | but that will constantly disable detection, and this is not waht we want I guess | 23:33 |
| freemangordon | a better solution would be to ignore it in isr if sysfs says "ignore it" | 23:34 |
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| * kerio would like to permanently ignore it very much | 23:36 | |
| freemangordon | kerio: what about the others and "the freedom of choice"? | 23:38 |
| kerio | i dunno lol \_o_/ | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | :D | 23:39 |
| kerio | fwiw i think defaulting to ignore would be better | 23:39 |
| kerio | so you can, say, boot with the cover open if you have swap on uSD | 23:39 |
| kerio | although, to be fair, you can just put the sysfs configuration before mounting the swap | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | it shouldn;t matter if you put it before or after, if it is realtime changeable | 23:40 |
| kerio | ...you kinda have to do that before | 23:40 |
| kerio | to be able to *use* the swap | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | hmm, correct | 23:41 |
| kerio | also | 23:41 |
| kerio | what happens if you disable detection and then remove the uSD? | 23:41 |
| kerio | does it get detected then? | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | no | 23:41 |
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| kerio | so just I/O error? | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | I guess it results in broken uSD/fs | 23:41 |
| kerio | apart from that | 23:42 |
| kerio | it's obviously a forcibly detached storage device | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | if you have swap on it, you are screwed | 23:42 |
| kerio | I KNOW | 23:42 |
| kerio | on the linux side | 23:42 |
| kerio | does it figure out that the uSD changed? | 23:42 |
| kerio | because aiui right now there's nothing to do a clean unmount of the uSD when you remove the backcover anyway | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | kerio: afaik that keeps uSD from being phisycally damaged | 23:43 |
| kerio | ...u wot m8 | 23:44 |
| kerio | what prevents the uSD from being physically damaged on my cheapo slide-in card reader? | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | uSD got fcked up if you remove the power while doing IO | 23:44 |
| kerio | damn, i really didn't know that | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | kerio: n900 is not your cheapu uSD reader, neither is Nokia a Chinese manifacturer | 23:45 |
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| kerio | is that why it's almost always a slide-in thing? | 23:45 |
| kerio | so you can cut off the data connection before the power | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | maybe, but iirc I've seen report of damaged SD card because of power loss | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | *reports | 23:48 |
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