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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: xes: (reboot) I just remembered when and why it reboots: GSM TX | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | removing SIM might be worth the hassle ;-) | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...for testing something that's not telling you much in the end ;-) | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | high ESR of battery makes Vbat drop below minimum as soon as TX draws 2A burst | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the timing seems to match the problem description | 00:14 |
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| Wizzup | n900 keeps telling me it cannot store or recieve messages because the device is full... df -h shows nothing filled above 60% | 02:56 |
| Wizzup | seems its ro | 02:57 |
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| Wizzup | hm... could do with a fsck... | 03:05 |
| Wizzup | ouch, i/o errors on .modest | 03:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: serious advice? | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | restore | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | profit | 04:44 |
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| sono | profit? yay! | 08:11 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: ouch @ reflash.... ok | 10:58 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I also got an io error in .modest -- doesn't that indicate it's more than broken? | 10:58 |
| Wizzup | like, more than on fs level | 10:59 |
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| anYc | then do a fsck | 11:22 |
| Wizzup | anYc: I tried several ways (all that involve power-kernel, which I have): /etc/kernel-power/force_fsck , /etc/defaults/kernel etc | 11:22 |
| Wizzup | none seems to actually do a fsck | 11:22 |
| anYc | hm ok, I used nemo from sdcard for that | 11:23 |
| Wizzup | that's a possibility | 11:23 |
| Wizzup | I wanted to give nemo another try anyway ;-) | 11:23 |
| Wizzup | meanwhile. modest keeps crashing every 10 seconds and my phone is pretty unusable | 11:23 |
| anYc | but it was too late then, the partition with /home/user/ and /opt was half gone | 11:23 |
| Wizzup | I dropped my n900 two days ago and the battery fell out, that's the only reason I can think of | 11:24 |
| anYc | in my case modest was starting but it didn't fetch new mails anymore | 11:24 |
| Wizzup | that of the mmc is dying? | 11:24 |
| Wizzup | s/of/or/ | 11:24 |
| infobot | Wizzup meant: that or the mmc is dying? | 11:24 |
| Wizzup | which would be worse, I guess | 11:24 |
| anYc | both possible I would say. My device works again, only several configs were missing. | 11:25 |
| anYc | I remember, I wanted to check if maemo isn't doing fs check at boot | 11:25 |
| Wizzup | it can be enforced apparently, with kernel-power | 11:26 |
| Wizzup | but it doesn't work, for me at least | 11:26 |
| Wizzup | maybe I can just temporarily remove the whole .modest folder | 11:27 |
| Wizzup | (since I don't really use email on it anyway) | 11:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash! | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I/O errors are no fs corruption usually. MAYBE you can fix them with a low level format (==reflash) | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are the drop destroyed the eMMC (soldering) | 12:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: ^^^ | 12:09 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 12:11 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I also have a spare n900 lying around, but yeah | 12:11 |
| Wizzup | I'll start making backups again ;-) | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB *full* reflash needed | 12:11 |
| Wizzup | yes | 12:11 |
| Wizzup | I understood | 12:11 |
| Wizzup | How does that solve i/o errors? | 12:12 |
| Wizzup | will force the mmc to place stuff elsewhere? | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when eMMC simply has bad blocks, then a reflash may create a new internal bad block table AIUI | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, basically all blocks move each time you write them | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wear leveling | 12:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eMMC does this internally and *should* tag bad erase pages | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I heard similar problems oftem, usually related to briute force shutdown which can cause MMC aborted flash that even can destroy flash storage completely | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and usually fsck is at best a time consuming and cumbersome process, oftem it even makes things worse | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a reflash is a walk in the park compared to fsck | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even *with* backup and restore of all your data and re-installation of your apps | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: flash storage working like: read erase page to internal buffer RAM; modify the block of data the CPU wants to write; meanwhile erase (an) erase page; modify the internal management data which lives in reserved block of every erase page; write back the data from internal RAM to the erase page. | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now figure what happens when you remove power during that process | 12:30 |
| Wizzup | well I didn't drop it on purpose ;-) | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | I'll reflash it in a bit | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | I managed to make a backup | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | and the phone is quite new and unused | 12:31 |
| Wizzup | so I hope the emmc is not dead yet | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are only a page erase failed, or the write didn't complete, thus leaving garbled management data. This should be a problem the card controller can eventually fix during a complete format which happens on a full reflash | 12:33 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: Will try. ty. | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: ask ShadowJK, he's the flash storage wiz here | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my understanding of how flash storage works is just rudimentary compared to his expertise | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | however empirically a reflash is the more convenient way to fix the problems you described | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [NOTICE] COUNCIL ELECTIONS pending, candidates wanted *urgently* | 16:02 |
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| FatPhil | Anyone stripped down an n900, and dealt with the stylus clip? | 21:22 |
| FatPhil | I'm doing more 2 broken -> 1 working hacks, and a (broken) stylus clip has just catapaulted itself across the room | 21:23 |
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| FatPhil | fark! yeah, the broken clip had migrated a long way from where it should be. No exploding springs from the non-broken one | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: hmm? | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on n900 the stylus clip is a simple halfmoon steel stripe with a plastic notch on top, no? | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, there's a 2nd one at the resection at stylus tip | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the one I meant is close to the hole where you shove in the stylus, and it's known to occasionally bend terribly | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (bend) maybe when the plastic tip comes off and the steel cuts into stylus so it can't get pulled out without bending the spring to death | 23:16 |
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| dack | DocScrutinizer05: my N900 came with an all plastic stylus | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all are all plastic | 23:18 |
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| dack | DocScrutinizer05: sorry, I thought you were talking about the stylus, not the clip holding the stylus.. misread that. ;) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 23:19 |
| mashina_ | the n800 had a nice stylus | 23:25 |
| mashina_ | triangle, for nicer holding | 23:25 |
| mashina_ | partially metal | 23:25 |
| mashina_ | mine looked kinda out of shape though | 23:26 |
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