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| bindi | is the n900 back cover leaning latch mechanism easily dismantleable, in a way so I can attach it back? | 02:47 |
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| bindi | apparently | 02:53 |
| bindi | got it dismantled now :P | 02:53 |
| bindi | gonna be a hell to put it back though | 02:55 |
| bindi | crap from 5 years ago | 02:56 |
| bindi | dust and all that | 02:56 |
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| bindi | http://sdrv.ms/1b94Uyj yay | 03:43 |
| bindi | had to remove the other screw to twist it and align it | 03:43 |
| mashina | pop quiz: how many of you scratch your ear with the stylus? | 03:44 |
| bindi | is there any http webgui webcam thingy with focus control for maemo? (related to above link :P) | 03:45 |
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| bindi | DocScrutinizer05: how can I detect a knock now that my n900 is mounted to my door? :P | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, either with the accelerometer, which actually has a detector for knocks/taps, though this isn't supported by mce and sys/* nodes, so you need to stop all that and talk directly to the lis302 via I2C | 04:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or you poll constantly and detect in software, which is not THAT bad when using the device stationary. Same applies for microphone | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bindi: ^^^ | 04:52 |
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| bindi | DocScrutinizer05: can i hook to those with python easily? python is my preferred language for fiddling with this | 05:31 |
| bindi | i dont actually have any experience doing something as fancy as this | 05:31 |
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| bindi | preferrably looking for "hold my hand" type of help :D | 05:33 |
| bindi | good start would be something that gives me a numeric value for vibration/sensor data so i can start doing some knocking and see what kind of values it gets | 05:34 |
| bindi | ahha | 05:34 |
| bindi | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord | 05:35 |
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| bef0rd | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_accelerometer | 05:36 |
| bindi | yeah | 05:36 |
| bindi | lol | 05:40 |
| bindi | interesting | 05:40 |
| bindi | its perfectly still yet the values change | 05:40 |
| bindi | this seems hard :p | 05:42 |
| bindi | http://bindibox.net/log this is output of the sensor stuff every 30 msec | 05:45 |
| bindi | me doing some random knocking on the door | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, this is kinda sub-optimal. The chip has built-in highpass filters that emphasize changes and filter out the constant component of the signal | 05:46 |
| bindi | so, what then? :P | 05:46 |
| bindi | microphone? thats like way more advanced | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as I said, it's not exactly easy to configure and interface the lis302 accelerometer in a senisble way | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo drivers don't support it | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for microphone you probably do a constant sampling and some pattern matching | 05:48 |
| bindi | doable in python? :d | 05:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I don't know. Isn't gnuradio also python? If that's the case, then I'd think it's feasible for sure since gnuradio is way more complex than your intended program | 06:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway python is capable of recording stuff from audio, and once it got recorded (1s sample?) you can analyze it, that's simple number crunching | 08:08 |
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| Macer | well. if there is one thing you miss right away about an n900 it is that awesome hw keyboard heh | 08:22 |
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| l4m3rx | Good morning :) | 09:49 |
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| deepy | kerio: how do I power on my N900? no button is werking | 14:25 |
| deepy | nevermind, got it | 14:26 |
| deepy | darnit, forgot my lock code | 14:29 |
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| deepy | kerio: how do I reset the lock code D:? | 14:33 |
| l4m3rx | reflash | 14:33 |
| l4m3rx | ^ if u don't have access to the terminal. if you do http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1333047&postcount=2 | 14:36 |
| deepy | I have Robbieäs BackupMenu | 14:37 |
| l4m3rx | echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): > somefile | 14:39 |
| l4m3rx | will store DES hash of ur pass in 'somefile' | 14:39 |
| l4m3rx | you can run it on ur pc it will take only few minutes. (with john or whatever software u like) | 14:40 |
| l4m3rx | its 100% 5 symbols long and only digits, so this makes it quite easy to bf | 14:41 |
| deepy | I lack a USB cable | 14:41 |
| l4m3rx | go old school | 14:43 |
| l4m3rx | grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1 | 14:43 |
| l4m3rx | on the n900 | 14:43 |
| deepy | How/where do I run that? | 14:44 |
| l4m3rx | and write it on ur pc :] | 14:44 |
| l4m3rx | bootmenu allowed some shell access if i'm not wrong | 14:44 |
| deepy | oh, found it | 14:45 |
| l4m3rx | s/bootmenu/backupmenu | 14:45 |
| deepy | just getting a black screen | 14:46 |
| l4m3rx | donno. | 14:47 |
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| deepy | woo, restored backup | 14:52 |
| deepy | can I turn off the backlight no the keys? | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually echo root:$(busybox grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1): > somefile | 15:02 |
| deepy | can't remembe my password for root | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too bad. uninstall and reinstall ssh | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply try command "root" | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on device | 15:04 |
| deepy | that worked better | 15:04 |
| deepy | doesn't the application manager work anymore? | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it should | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 15:05 |
| deepy | it's just laoding and loading for me | 15:05 |
| deepy | nothing happens | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | takes ~7 minutes | 15:05 |
| deepy | geez | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on the repos aka catalogs you enabled | 15:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~ham | 15:06 |
| infobot | somebody said ham was Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with nothing but the basic repos it takes lile 10s. with extras catalog enabled it takes 3..5min. With extras, extras-testing, AND extras-devel all enabled, it takes >10min | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/lile/like/ | 15:07 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: with nothing but the basic repos it takes like 10s. with extras catalog enabled it takes 3..5min. With extras, extras-testing, AND extras-devel all enabled, it takes >10min | 15:07 |
| deepy | hmm, it doens't have mosh for me | 15:07 |
| deepy | darn | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mosh? meh! | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is nonsense in my book | 15:08 |
| deepy | what do you mean meh? | 15:08 |
| deepy | mosh is brilliant | 15:08 |
| * RST38h yawns | 15:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is a battery killer. Dunno who stole the brain of the devels | 15:09 |
| deepy | how is it a battery killer? | 15:09 |
| RST38h | I did. Have it in a jar, pickled. | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is brilliant for anything EXCEPT mobile use | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yummy | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: it sens a ping every other second | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sends* | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Anything wrong with screen? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is pretty much a sure recipe to make modem cut thru your battery in 2..3h | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen is all fine | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mosh is BS | 15:11 |
| deepy | even when it's not in use? | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:11 |
| deepy | implementation detail! | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you mean "not started" | 15:11 |
| deepy | android version does not | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pfff | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | android is not a OS | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | android is a disease | 15:12 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: A pre-order page from Dell for the Xbox One "accidentally" (and, it appears, officially) revealed that Windows 8.1 apps will run on the Xbox. | 15:12 |
| deepy | But they still have an usable mosh client and the N900 does not ;-) | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course mosh doesn't send pings when in background on android, since NOTHING does ANYTHING in this situation | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | deepy: stop spreading nonsense! | 15:13 |
| deepy | it did in the version before | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fact that android stops all background processes is neither a desirable feature nor does it fix the fundamentally broken mosh | 15:14 |
| deepy | it's perfectly possible to make an app that runs in the background on Android | 15:15 |
| deepy | and ssh is impossible to use here when 'm walking around | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's perfectly possible to live without taking notice of android | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | period | 15:15 |
| deepy | Sure it is, but I like being able to use irssi | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 15:16 |
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| deepy | works great when ssh drops every minute | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | roundabout 60% of the users in here use irssi | 15:16 |
| l4m3rx | It's not normal in 2013 to need to do extra stuff just so one app can run in bground...don't u think? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some even use screen with irssi | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | man screen | 15:17 |
| deepy | I use screen with irssi, but you're missing the point | 15:17 |
| deepy | my connection drops about once every minute | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 15:17 |
| l4m3rx | fix ur connection :) | 15:17 |
| deepy | then I have to reconnect | 15:17 |
| l4m3rx | if u ask me, this is the way to go ;] | 15:17 |
| deepy | l4m3rx: sure, come and fix Dublin's 3G network | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tzz | 15:18 |
| l4m3rx | :S | 15:18 |
| deepy | I think my favorite one is when ssh just stops, like, it's disconnected but it doesn't notice | 15:19 |
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| deepy | and then after like 2 minutes it times out | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, when you network forces your device to get another DHCP lease every 60s, you're seriously out of luck | 15:19 |
| deepy | except it works with mosh, I don't really see the problem there | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the nice thing with ssh: my (W)LAN ssh session to N900 resumes even after 90min out to the pub | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since IP doesn't change | 15:20 |
| deepy | That's WLAN, I'm using mobile internet | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's absolutely no difference | 15:20 |
| deepy | Well, I don't know what I'm doing wrong then, but the connection dies and refuses to restart | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 15:21 |
| l4m3rx | deepy go 2g? | 15:21 |
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| deepy | same issue | 15:22 |
| l4m3rx | change providers? | 15:22 |
| deepy | it's Dublin, they're all bad in one way or another | 15:22 |
| l4m3rx | :/ | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's ridiculous | 15:23 |
| deepy | of course it is | 15:24 |
| deepy | and so is the fact that the best internet I can get here is 8/0.5 | 15:24 |
| l4m3rx | speed and stability of the connection are quite different things | 15:24 |
| deepy | I stopped caring about stability when I moved here | 15:25 |
| l4m3rx | :X | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and 8/0.5 (I assume Mbit DSL) doesn't sound too bad to me | 15:25 |
| deepy | home nework dies for ~3 minutes roughly 10 times per day | 15:25 |
| l4m3rx | y, but if u keep in mind that the avreage session is 2-3min.. | 15:25 |
| deepy | that's between 5PM and 3AM | 15:26 |
| deepy | don't know about the rest | 15:26 |
| l4m3rx | can I ask, how much do u pay for that? | 15:27 |
| deepy | ~47EUR | 15:27 |
| l4m3rx | (bow) | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can I ask how many of your neighbours are reporting similar issues? | 15:27 |
| deepy | We don't know any of our neighbours | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 15:28 |
| l4m3rx | ur hardcode dude .... i would have killed most of the ISP/gsm guys by now | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you wouldn't have accepted it as your fate | 15:28 |
| deepy | l4m3rx: if you call the ISP they just say "everything is fine from here, call eircom" | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | worldwide standard reply | 15:29 |
| l4m3rx | and ericom is ur phone provider,right? ( i mean the phone cable network ) ? | 15:29 |
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| deepy | our ISP pretty much uses eircoms infrastructure | 15:29 |
| deepy | they have their own DNS servers but that's about it | 15:29 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/22/nokia_world_new_kit/ | 15:30 |
| l4m3rx | every ISP should have their own network (my oppinion) | 15:30 |
| l4m3rx | this way , the users have real alternatives. | 15:30 |
| deepy | DocScrutinizer05: though theother guys had the exact same issue when they lived 3km away from here | 15:30 |
| l4m3rx | don't the ISPs offer FO to home? | 15:31 |
| deepy | You can get that in some areas | 15:32 |
| deepy | well, cable modem | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, you need to kick your provider's ass | 15:32 |
| l4m3rx | ^^ that's what I said. | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they charge you for a service they don't deliver | 15:33 |
| l4m3rx | tell them "fix it, or give me FO!" | 15:33 |
| deepy | What they are doing is not illegal, that's the problem | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both on DSL and on GSM/UMTS | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is illegal | 15:33 |
| deepy | but anyways, how do I turn off the backlight on m keyboard? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's way beyond any sane and accepted QoS | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 15:34 |
| deepy | maybe it's my eyes fooling me | 15:34 |
| deepy | could've sworn it was backlit | 15:35 |
| deepy | wasn't there a tab key on the keyboard too? | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | backlight on kbd only shines in the dark, when it's bright enough in your location it doesn't waste energy | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, there never been a tab key, the kbd is no morph | 15:38 |
| deepy | I can't turn it of completely? | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for f in /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb?/; do echo 0 >${f}/led_current; done | 15:38 |
| deepy | cheers | 15:38 |
| deepy | oh well, off to town to get a SIM card | 15:38 |
| deepy | oh btw, before that, is thre anything cool I should install? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might get tricky to permanently disable kbd backlight, you might need a patched mce for doing that | 15:39 |
| deepy | and is there any good mud client? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just an idea: are you sure you got the right dataplan for your SIM? maybe it's some special dataplan for iPhone only - or whatever. As soon as they detect e.g. VoIP or skype or email or whatever from your device, they kick you? | 15:42 |
| deepy | nope, it's the generic data plan | 15:43 |
| deepy | it drops when I'm on the bus and move | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it shouldn't disconnect every other minute | 15:43 |
| deepy | it does when I'm on the bus :) | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems you got pretty poor coverage then | 15:44 |
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| mashina | in a metal cage that moves alot surronded by other cell users | 15:45 |
| deepy | welcome to Ireland | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and still it should not get new DHCP lease aka IP addr when connectivity re-established | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | other cell users largely irrelevant | 15:45 |
| mashina | welcome to canda, 100 MB for 10.75! | 15:46 |
| mashina | no too sure how many ⏠it is | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, here it's 50..500 for that price, so your 100 is pretty fine | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5GB for 30EUR | 15:47 |
| mashina | its when you get of prepaid it gets insane | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't parse | 15:48 |
| mashina | like 80 for tiny plans on contract | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems I'm not able to read that canadian slang | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 15:49 |
| mashina | eh? | 15:49 |
| mashina | european hosers man | 15:50 |
| mashina | they aren't good at hocket | 15:50 |
| mashina | aboot time finland started not to suck | 15:50 |
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| mashina | android fans have a curious idea of what open source is | 15:51 |
| mashina | they even support sealing off the platform | 15:51 |
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| Deepa- | hey! I do not have ssh! | 16:09 |
| Deepa- | how do I install it? | 16:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | openssh | 16:11 |
| Deepa- | cheers | 16:11 |
| deepy | hmm, bit too much lag and a bit too large font | 16:13 |
| deepy | also white backgroumd :/ | 16:14 |
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| l4m3rx | font color & size and bground color can be change from the terminal settings menu | 16:39 |
| l4m3rx | you can use the volume+ volume- buttons from font size change too | 16:40 |
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| nty | can i use *.bdf font in xterm? how to install it ? | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf MheiGB18030-Medium Light ? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly the worst name for a font I ever seen | 18:03 |
| nty | its font for jpanese text sir | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes sense | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:03 |
| nty | gb is codepage prolly | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 18:04 |
| deepy | Medium light? | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what's written there | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 18:05 |
| deepy | Is there a heavy light? | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, but medium italic and medium bold | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 18:06 |
| nty | also why some font isnt available in xtern font chooser? | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly no idea about that | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X11 and fonts.... :-S | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find out how to do it on your desktop linux, and odds are it works similar on maemo | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I never looked into this since the days when staroffice came with a windows ttf importer tool | 18:09 |
| nty | same problem like Konsole in kde, for no reason they refuse to show some font altho its installed... | 18:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~flatbatrecover | 21:10 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs is OK (no ~bootloop)!. | 21:10 |
| japa-fi | sixwheeledbeast, is that for recovering totally empty battery or some other situation? | 21:16 |
| japa-fi | And is nokia wallcharger mandatory, why not PC USB? | 21:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | japa-fi: yep and yep | 21:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Normally the first thing to do with a not booting device. | 21:18 |
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| sono | hmm, i wonder | 21:36 |
| sono | ~bootloop | 21:36 |
| infobot | somebody said bootloop was when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. | 21:36 |
| sono | so one can reflash | 21:36 |
| sono | good | 21:36 |
| sono | what if i somehow manage to mess up the installed kernel, and let's say i don't have uboot on it | 21:37 |
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| sono | probably could just read wiki, ... | 21:38 |
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| fk_lx | hi | 21:49 |
| fk_lx | question | 21:49 |
| fk_lx | what you liked and what you disliked in Maemo community | 21:49 |
| fk_lx | ? | 21:49 |
| Defiant | I dislike nokia | 21:49 |
| fk_lx | Defiant: from beginning? | 21:49 |
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| fk_lx | could anyone mention biggest mistakes that Nokia did in relations with Maemo community? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Hired Elop? | 21:54 |
| fk_lx | RST38h: :-) | 21:54 |
| fk_lx | but before that | 21:54 |
| fk_lx | we talking about period from beginning of Maemo to moment where Meego was started | 21:55 |
| fk_lx | (later I will ask about Meego) | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Didn't hand every blogger like you a free N900? | 21:55 |
| fk_lx | RST38h: I'm not blogger ;-) | 21:56 |
| RST38h | ok, scrap "like you" part | 21:56 |
| fk_lx | RST38h: what do you think about giving devices for free? do you think they were always given to the right person? do you think there could be a better way of deciding who should receive developer devices? | 21:58 |
| RST38h | I think "How do I know?" | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Then, I think "Why would I care?" | 21:59 |
| RST38h | Finally, I think "Why is he asking, anyway?" | 21:59 |
| fk_lx | RST38h: doing some analysis for university course about open source | 22:00 |
| fk_lx | RST38h: and at the momment focusing on community relations part | 22:00 |
| fk_lx | relations between companies and communities | 22:00 |
| RST38h | Oh, ok | 22:01 |
| fk_lx | so that's why I'm asking about mistakes of Nokia | 22:01 |
| fk_lx | I don't have time to read the whole TMO :-) | 22:01 |
| RST38h | And you are asking it on an IRC channel, right? | 22:02 |
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| fk_lx | but I can read those parts connected with certain issues, if someone can name them | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Ok, so you want us to do this research for you, so that you can read relevant parts and choose which ones you are gonna use? | 22:03 |
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| l4m3rx`home | RST38h, why don't u read the maemo meetings logs ? they should be usefull for u | 22:03 |
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| fk_lx | RST38h: hehe, I don't expect anyone do sth for me | 22:04 |
| fk_lx | RST38h: besides I want to hear different opinions | 22:04 |
| l4m3rx`home | opz sorry RST38h i ment fk_lx :] | 22:05 |
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| fk_lx | l4m3rx`home: thanks for tip | 22:06 |
| fk_lx | l4m3rx`home: are you able to name three biggest mistakes (of course in your opinion) of Nokia in relations with Maemo community | 22:07 |
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| l4m3rx`home | mm.. nope.. .pretty much everything they did after they released the N9 ...or a bit after that. | 22:13 |
| Sicelo | so people now say Nokia released their first tablet today :P | 22:14 |
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| fk_lx | Sicelo: yeah, that is not true -> 770 as first Nokia Internet Tablet ;-) | 22:15 |
| fk_lx | not Lumia one | 22:15 |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 22:15 |
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| Sicelo | anyway, one thing for sure.. Nokia is a great device manufacturer, hands down. too bad they made the wrong decisions at the wrong time | 22:17 |
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| fk_lx | Sicelo: yeah | 22:19 |
| fk_lx | but I'm interested in community relations stuff, and times before Meego | 22:19 |
| Sicelo | lol. what's that going to do? | 22:20 |
| Sicelo | looking at your question before.. i guess Nokia never felt that it owed the community anything. that's why many bugs were WONTFIX. otoh, i would give them credit for what they did. i don't see any other handset manufacturer giving as much support as Maemo appears to have once received | 22:23 |
| fk_lx | mhm | 22:23 |
| fk_lx | Sicelo: so support was the good part? | 22:24 |
| fk_lx | Sicelo: and what was the most important in that for you? | 22:24 |
| Sicelo | ? | 22:24 |
| fk_lx | I mean what kind of support would you expect from example from nowadays companies like Google for example or Canonical? | 22:25 |
| Sicelo | fk_lx: i only became a Maemo user in 2011, after support had ended :P | 22:26 |
| Sicelo | what's your `purpose` btw, if you don't mind? | 22:27 |
| fk_lx | Sicelo: mentioned -> university course | 22:29 |
| fk_lx | besides I'm active in some communities - we now build Python association in our country and will be looking for ways of cooperating with companies | 22:31 |
| Sicelo | i'm a bad subject, haha. i hope someone 'useful' comes around soon | 22:31 |
| fk_lx | so this kind of knowledge will be useful for more purposes | 22:31 |
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| fk_lx | well for know I have a feeling like I've went in some unknown territory | 22:32 |
| Sicelo | meaning? | 22:32 |
| fk_lx | and on that unknonw territory no one is willing to help | 22:33 |
| fk_lx | or almost no one ;-) | 22:33 |
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| fk_lx | I have thought my question is quite simple :-) | 22:35 |
| Sicelo | i can only point you to reviews on the internet, which give the story behind symbian and maemo.. i don't know how accurate they are, but that's the best info i can give you | 22:36 |
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| fk_lx | Sicelo: well I've read some, but would appreciate if you would give those links you are thinking off, might be some new stuff to me | 22:37 |
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| Sicelo | same ones you find on google, lol. i don't have bookmarks to them on my N900 | 22:37 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 22:38 |
| fk_lx | hehe | 22:38 |
| Sicelo | also, include Windows Phone in your reading, as that twill give you an insight into some of the frustrations, both from Nokia management and community... which i guess is what you want | 22:38 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sono: rescueOS | 23:32 |
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| Tekk_ | Has anyone worked on an actually usable port of mumble? 1.2 has been out for years yet only 1.1 is in the repos | 23:43 |
| Tekk_ | and I've literally never seen a 1.1 server | 23:43 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: Any news regarding my 2 kernel-power patches? | 23:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 23:46 |
| infobot | i guess pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 23:46 |
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| sono | ~mumble | 23:48 |
| infobot | it has been said that mumble is in extras-devel and unstable | 23:48 |
| sono | ^ tried that recently | 23:48 |
| sono | not useable | 23:48 |
| sono | maybe you have better luck; make sure to report =) | 23:49 |
| sono | also, orphaned, apparently | 23:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | seems 1.2.3-1maemo5 is the latest for maemo | 23:50 |
| kerio | sono: the n900 is incredibly resilient to software fuckups, as long as your musb port is working | 23:51 |
| sono | 1.2.3-1maemo5, yes | 23:51 |
| sono | kerio: that is nifty | 23:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | maybe ping "aapo" on TMO and ask to build the latest version again from sourceforge | 23:51 |
| sono | it has two major issues (mumble) first is audio latency, second is crashes when you open config menu | 23:51 |
| kerio | probably both related to pulseaudio | 23:51 |
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| sono | in all likelyhood | 23:51 |
| sono | unfortunately, i have too much stuff on my hat as it is | 23:52 |
| Tekk_ | hmm, does it totally break if you remove pulse then? | 23:52 |
| kerio | sono: there's a thing stored in a ROM that allows you to load the bootloader via usb, which then allows you to flash the correct bootloader, which then allows you to flash everything else | 23:52 |
| Tekk_ | I'm not a big fan of it anyway | 23:52 |
| kerio | in case of extreme fuckup | 23:52 |
| sono | kerio: couldn't have been done better.. | 23:52 |
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| sono | also, now it refuses to terminate | 23:53 |
| sono | well | 23:53 |
| sono | that was that | 23:53 |
| kerio | if you fuck up the CAL partition at worst you get a nonworking bluetooth | 23:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | builder says libcelt0-0 is missing from depends | 23:53 |
| kerio | because it doesn't know its own mac address | 23:53 |
| kerio | but you can fix that later | 23:53 |
| kerio | bootloops are dangerous however | 23:53 |
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| kerio | because if the battery's too low you can't flash | 23:54 |
| kerio | but it won't be charged | 23:54 |
| kerio | so you need a different charger or a different battery | 23:54 |
| sono | presumably, i can rig something to charge the battery externally | 23:54 |
| sono | if i ever get into that situation | 23:54 |
| kerio | don't "rig" anything | 23:54 |
| sono | or just inject power | 23:54 |
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| kerio | don't fuck with lithium batteries | 23:54 |
| sono | nah, i have a good charger =) | 23:54 |
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| sono | as long as the battery doesn't pretend to be smarter than me, i'm good | 23:55 |
| kerio | BL-5Js have no "smart" chip | 23:56 |
| sono | either way, that is hopefully a long way off, if it ever happens to me | 23:56 |
| sono | =) | 23:56 |
| kerio | it's on the n900 board itself | 23:56 |
| kerio | ~bq27200 | 23:56 |
| infobot | hmm... bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 23:56 |
| sono | see, that's what i love most about this phone that i only call my own since 3 weeks | 23:56 |
| sono | it's well documented, and has a well-informed community | 23:56 |
| kerio | what i hate about this phone: it's got no fucking ram :c | 23:57 |
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| sono | well | 23:57 |
| sono | the design shows its age.. omap1 isn't exactly a teen either | 23:57 |
| kerio | isn't it omap3 | 23:58 |
| sono | i always thought it was | 23:58 |
| sono | but.. oh right | 23:58 |
| sono | i got confused today by the uname | 23:58 |
| sono | i suppose the kernel is just called omap1 | 23:58 |
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