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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, but he hoped to see you in that channel I created on your request | 00:08 |
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| Pali | I do not have here on n900 data and irc client from desktop version... | 00:10 |
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| Macer | how odd | 00:37 |
| Macer | i don't know what it is that windows uses to figure out if something should connect via a direct connection or as an adhoc connection | 00:37 |
| Macer | i have to keep re-adding the n900 to get pan to work properly | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | heh. | 00:42 |
| Macer | at least it works | 00:42 |
| Macer | half assly but still works nonetheless | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | I was creating bt dun between rPi and N900, and walked out of range. Hasnt worked since | 00:43 |
| Macer | lol | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | I guess both needs powercycle now | 00:43 |
| Macer | i wish rt supported dun | 00:43 |
| Macer | so much easier | 00:43 |
| Macer | :-/ | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | surface rt? | 00:43 |
| Macer | at least from the n900 side | 00:43 |
| Macer | yeah | 00:43 |
| Macer | android, ipad, and surface rt use pan | 00:43 |
| Macer | none directly support dun | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | Android does, but only stock stock stock fw? | 00:44 |
| Macer | nope. it doesn't | 00:44 |
| Macer | heh | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 00:44 |
| Macer | not unless they added it later | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | ive seen it on cheap china tablets | 00:44 |
| Macer | but my 4.2.2 only supports pan | 00:44 |
| Macer | not dun | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | so I assumed they didnt bother to kill it | 00:45 |
| Macer | they did | 00:45 |
| Macer | it worked in 3.x | 00:45 |
| Macer | removed in 4.x | 00:45 |
| Macer | heh | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | suck | 00:45 |
| Macer | figure that one out | 00:45 |
| Macer | pan only | 00:45 |
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| ShadowJK | My firefox phone doesn't do any interwebs over bt | 00:45 |
| Macer | wouldnt be that big of a deal if the n900 wasn't such a bitch to configure pan on | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | but it does wifi | 00:45 |
| Macer | i wish mobilehotspot had pan heh | 00:45 |
| Macer | surface rt doesn't do adhoc either | 00:46 |
| Macer | windows rt should i say | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | Well, anything linuy is a bitch to configure anything bluetooth on | 00:46 |
| Macer | but again... nor does android heh | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | because it's essentially undocumented, and it changes every year | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | yah | 00:46 |
| Macer | yah | 00:46 |
| Macer | i found that out with pan :-P | 00:46 |
| Macer | i came across an ancient maemo wiki | 00:47 |
| Macer | that sort of explained it | 00:47 |
| Macer | after that i just got lucky | 00:47 |
| ShadowJK | it's probably from N8x0 days, I remember there was lots of PAN headache when some blackberry came that only did PAN | 00:47 |
| Macer | yeah but you would think that someone would have integrated it into maemo | 00:48 |
| Macer | or made an app that runs scripts or auto loads the pan network on bnep0 detection heh | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | it went the other way | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | dun client support was ttotally killed | 00:48 |
| Macer | yeah haha | 00:49 |
| Macer | well. all the mobile oses use pan | 00:49 |
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| Macer | none seem to use adhoc or dun | 00:49 |
| Macer | which is odd since dun is so easy heh | 00:49 |
| Macer | i just wish i could figure out what is causing windows rt to change from "direct connection" to "adhoc connection" | 00:50 |
| Macer | or if it matters | 00:50 |
| Macer | i haven't done much testing other than to know it works | 00:50 |
| Macer | but it still requires that i run a script manually on the n900 after the connection | 00:50 |
| Macer | then flush the tables afterwards | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | DUN is "hard" for the server | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | Also, you, of all people, RT? :) | 00:51 |
| Macer | of all people? windows is fine heh | 00:52 |
| Macer | other than this niche pan issue it has been spectacular | 00:52 |
| Macer | anybody who says otherwise hasn't used a surface | 00:52 |
| Macer | plus they priced it right | 00:52 |
| Macer | $500+ was too expensive for an rt | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | agreed on the price | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | I've used a pro | 00:53 |
| Macer | i didn't want the pro because it is retarded with its sleep mode | 00:54 |
| Macer | it's like putting a pc to sleep | 00:54 |
| Macer | no notifications | 00:54 |
| Macer | no always on like the arm | 00:54 |
| Macer | and the battery on the arm is a beasw | 00:54 |
| Macer | beast | 00:54 |
| Macer | surface has a micro sd slot too heh | 00:55 |
| Macer | sdxc at that | 00:55 |
| Macer | so it would be a miracle if they sold anything other than the 32GB model lol | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | and I have a win8 on a laptop | 00:55 |
| Macer | win8 sucks on legacy stuff | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | On tablet, I get pissed off when it switches to classic | 00:55 |
| Macer | the interface is awful for a mouse/kb | 00:56 |
| Macer | yeah lol | 00:56 |
| Macer | i hate that too | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | on laptop, I get pissed off when it switches to metro | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | heh... | 00:56 |
| Macer | yup lol | 00:56 |
| Macer | same here | 00:56 |
| Macer | might as well dual boot a pc | 00:56 |
| Macer | they should have made a way for legacy apps to run in a metro "window" | 00:56 |
| Macer | on the laptop i installed it on | 00:57 |
| Macer | i just installed some app that brings a "start" menu back and disables metro | 00:57 |
| Macer | then realized.. i should have just stuck with win7 on the laptop | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | Yes I use classic shell on laptop | 00:57 |
| Macer | you have to jailbreak winrt | 00:58 |
| Macer | to install 3rd party arm apps | 00:58 |
| Macer | like putty | 00:58 |
| Macer | but i don't do much on the desktop side. i just shelled out the money for an ssh app | 00:58 |
| Macer | most of the stock metro stuff does whatever i need | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | Win8 is a nightmare for the non-techie user | 00:59 |
| Macer | yeh lol | 00:59 |
| Macer | the segregation of metro/classic is lame | 01:00 |
| Macer | that is where people get confused | 01:00 |
| Macer | they'd have been better off making "Windows Tablet" and "Windows Desktop" | 01:00 |
| Macer | and keeping desktop for the legacy gear | 01:00 |
| Macer | and tablet with metro based stuff on tablets | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | the accounts.live.com stuff is the biggest confusor for normal users | 01:00 |
| Macer | well. i think they want people to use outlook.com | 01:01 |
| Macer | which is actually... absolutely awesome | 01:01 |
| Macer | compared to... say.... google | 01:01 |
| Macer | and MS seems big on FB integration | 01:01 |
| Macer | google is following a path of destruction | 01:01 |
| Macer | they're closing themselves up | 01:01 |
| Macer | bait and switch | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | No I mean | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | User starts computer. It asks for email and pass | 01:02 |
| Macer | oh. yeah heh | 01:02 |
| Macer | they don't have to enter a live user/pw tho i thought | 01:03 |
| Macer | i just happened to have one heh. i think it's illegal for ms to do that because of some anti-trust settlement from the 90s | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | They don't, but it's nonobvious that it's voluntary | 01:03 |
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| Macer | yeah well... google does it :) but i guess they have a giant "skip" button heh | 01:03 |
| Macer | maybe | 01:03 |
| Macer | it has been a while | 01:04 |
| Macer | i'm just glad i can keep my n900 | 01:04 |
| Macer | for pan.. i was about to get some cheap nokia 520 | 01:04 |
| Macer | no 1020 for tmobile users unless you find an unlocked att model that supports their bands :( | 01:04 |
| Macer | i'd have loved to get a 1020 | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | I earned 50 bucks the other day, new win8 user called and said he can't "open" his computer | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | Turned out, he entered his email account when it asked for LiveID | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | and after rebooting, it was refusing logon | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | because his user@gmail@live.com account password wasnt same as user@gmail pass | 01:06 |
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| nox- | so you need to be online now to login to a local windows? | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | Amusing thing is, he entered pass wrong so many times, even if he had the right pass, it refused | 01:07 |
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| ShadowJK | nox-; ya | 01:07 |
| nox- | ugh | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | And it locked not only his PC, but every other win8 pc he has. | 01:08 |
| nox- | ew | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | Helpfully, the login screen adviced to visit accounts.live.com | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | which yo onviously cant do if pc is locked | 01:08 |
| nox- | haha | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | (and all your other win8 PCs are also locked) | 01:09 |
| nox- | reasons i dont like windows++ | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah so I show up, put accounts.live.com into my N900 and reset his password | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | earn 50 bucks, leave | 01:10 |
| nox- | yeah good for support ppl to earn money i suppose :) | 01:10 |
| kerio | hold on, how do you login if you're offline? | 01:15 |
| nox- | i guess then the nsa cannot watch you so you dont :P | 01:16 |
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| jonwil | Pali: ping | 02:20 |
| jonwil | ~seen Pali | 02:23 |
| infobot | pali is currently on #maemo (2h 31m 2s) #maemo-ssu (2h 31m 2s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2h 12m 29s, last said: 'I do not have here on n900 data and irc client from desktop version...'. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-09-29 01:28:15] [Whois] Pali is logged in as Pali. | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NS dead? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oohdamn, only lagging | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: it seems you have all the "data" you need | 02:30 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: funny thing about that | 03:04 |
| Macer | google closed their syncing with win8 | 03:04 |
| Macer | :) | 03:04 |
| Macer | they turned their gmail connector off for exchange. so a win8 user can no long sync his google stuff to win8 | 03:05 |
| Macer | like people etc | 03:05 |
| Macer | what a bunch of douchebags | 03:05 |
| Macer | a surefire way that you can tell google is nevous about ms growth in the mobile area | 03:06 |
| Macer | without android google is another yahoo | 03:06 |
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| jonwil | Android is a far better phone platform than Windows Phone will ever be | 03:12 |
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| jonwil | even (gasp) iOS is a better platform than Windows Phone | 03:30 |
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| jonwil | of course Maemo beats all of em :) | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | Amusingly, if you take the biggest criticisms Maemo ever got | 03:53 |
| ShadowJK | And make those points work absolutely perfectly | 03:53 |
| ShadowJK | and ignore everything else | 03:53 |
| ShadowJK | you more or less end up with winpho | 03:54 |
| ShadowJK | (of course, everything *good* about maemo is also gone) | 03:54 |
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| wmarone | biggest criticisms? | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 04:31 |
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| ShadowJK | smoothness, vsync, phone functionality | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's wrong with phone? | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe except that US t-mpbile 3G band issue | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still think it's one of the best sounding phones I ever had | 04:35 |
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| ShadowJK | People were upset about features | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, it has "issues" with decoding/recognizing inbound numbers, when they are too weird | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | Like no contact groups thingy | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's contacts though, not exactly phone | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | The lumias I've seen are splendid at those things | 04:38 |
| ShadowJK | And the users are generally like "yeah, the os and phone itself is awesome, I guess.. But I can't actually *do* anything with it" | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what *really* sucks is no qualified fulltext search in any of the Nokia apps | 04:38 |
| ShadowJK | (and then they generally throw it against a wall) | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything incl groups could get implemented by that | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | Oh I recently got pissed off that typing stuff in "app menu" searches contacts instead of apps | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another sucker is the missing customization of contact screens | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like: I need to manually add "address" field every single time I create a new contact | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, another idiocy, but luckily applauncher is FOSS, no? | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | (in firefoxos, searches search everything, and the results with highest comission are topmost, like amazon) | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | ;-) | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recall palmpilot and sigh | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I think the contacts app should be easy to rewrite as FOSS | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with full integration | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, the db format is known, and all the d-bus calls for invoking calls or sipcalls or even address in map or any chats or SMS are all known, no? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be a nice beginner's project to rewrite it, now that we know how stuff works | 04:46 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ping: M4rtink | 16:34 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: pong | 16:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hi :) IIRC you asked about how to monitor internet connection on n900 a few days ago? | 16:37 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yes | 16:42 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: I know I can register a callback and get notified about connectivity changes | 16:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: have you seen connectionmanager.py? | 16:42 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: but the issue was how to check if the device is online at a given time | 16:43 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: no, where does it live ? :) | 16:43 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | It seems to be included in sereisfinale to make the update button appear. also in resistance and last.fm etc etc | 16:43 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: thanks, I'll check it out :) | 16:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: http://pastebin.com/PNpUpsYk I thought it maybe worth mentioning, I guess you could just import it in to your code. | 16:46 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: for now, I'm using this: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/device_modules/base_device_module.py#L230 | 16:46 |
| M4rtinK | based on example code from r00t|home | 16:46 |
| M4rtinK | seems to work quite fine both on the N900 and PC at least :) | 16:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: it's in that pastebin if needed, seems a standard file that's imported into lots of maemo apps. :) | 16:48 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, there are some other like this :) | 16:50 |
| int_ua | M4rtinK, BTW, is it true that if I zoom somewhere without a connection to see the "Downloading..." tiles and connect after that the tiles won't download? | 16:50 |
| M4rtinK | for example the automatic rotation code from GPodder | 16:50 |
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| int_ua | M4rtinK, the question is about ModRana | 16:50 |
| M4rtinK | int_ua: could be | 16:50 |
| M4rtinK | but if you zoom in and out again a bit | 16:51 |
| M4rtinK | the stale download requests should get replaced by new ones and it should start downloading tiles normally | 16:51 |
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| M4rtinK | int_ua: but a good point, there might be room for improvement | 16:52 |
| M4rtinK | int_ua: I can check if the device is online or not and display an appropriate error/info tile | 16:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: AFAIK this uses the connection to see if it's available. It your code if gateway was missing or firewall issues it may not work. | 16:53 |
| M4rtinK | int_ua: and start downloading once Internet is available | 16:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/It/It uses | 16:53 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: well, it tries to guess in Internet is available | 16:54 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: so missing gateway should not be an issue, as long as it reports "not online" | 16:55 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: sure, I could ping some IP address or website, but that could have user privacy implications | 16:56 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: BTW, regarding connectionmanager.py | 16:57 |
| M4rtinK | If I understand it correctly, I already have this | 16:57 |
| ashley | so far I've had very little luck in finding a FOSS Game Boy Color emulator for the N900 -- I have gbSP installed, but it doesn't seem to be able to open/play Game Boy Color ROMs (which is somewhat ironic, because the real Game Boy Advance *does* run GBC games ;-); the relevant wiki page (http://wiki.maemo.org/Games) lists only Marat Fayzullin's _non-free_ VGB emulator...am I just failing at using maemo.org's search/Google properly or is it so that t | 16:57 |
| ashley | he only emulator capable of handling .gbc files is a closed-source one? :-/ | 16:57 |
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| M4rtinK | I register a callback and tel icd to get me a connection using saved settings | 16:57 |
| paroneayea | neo900 eh? :o | 16:57 |
| paroneayea | it sounds too good to be true | 16:58 |
| paroneayea | but, it sounds so good if true :) | 16:58 |
| M4rtinK | but if I understand it correctly, if the device ie already connected, the callback won't be called, as there will be no changes in connectivity | 16:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: Ok I am no expert, I noticed this in the source of seriesfinale and thought I'd mention it, save you time writing something :) | 16:59 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: still thanks, I think I might still find something useful in the code | 17:02 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: does seriesfinake show the update button even if launched with Internet connectivity already established ? | 17:03 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: np, it is used to add/remove a update button depending on connection state in seriesfinale | 17:03 |
| M4rtinK | I think one of the flags it is passing to conic might make it call the connectivity callback immediately once the callback is registered | 17:04 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: that's what I mean - if the callback was only called on changes in connectivity | 17:05 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: if seriesfinale was launched with connectivity enabled, it would not show the button | 17:05 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | let me check | 17:05 |
| M4rtinK | aa the callback would not be called until Internet connectivity was disabled and enabled | 17:05 |
| M4rtinK | *and | 17:07 |
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| M4rtinK | I guess there might be some magic involved with the conic.CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED flag | 17:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | mhm | 17:12 |
| M4rtinK | googling for it turns only the series finale code | 17:12 |
| M4rtinK | conic is closes, isn't it ? | 17:12 |
| jonwil | nope, conic is open | 17:13 |
| jonwil | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/libc/libconic/ | 17:13 |
| jonwil | I bet its mostly a wrapper around the icd dbus APIs | 17:14 |
| Pali | it really should be only wrapper around icd2 dbus api | 17:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | New modRana :) | 17:38 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, finally :) | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: I'm working on the release announcement | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK | is has fixes for A LOT of issues : | 17:42 |
| M4rtinK | :) | 17:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: I always keep one eye on the latest packages, fixes are the most important updates :) | 17:43 |
| M4rtinK | I'm thinking about pushing this version to testing if nothing serious shows up in the next few days | 17:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: that would be great. I am looking for packages worthy of extras for the "testing squad" ;) | 17:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's been a while since the extras version was updated. 36.6? | 17:50 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05, GeneralAntilles: any progress about /. annoucement? | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Negative | 17:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll try to do it tonight. | 17:58 |
| dos1 | k | 17:58 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: yep, there were quite a lot of invasive changes in between | 17:59 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: & also the Extras infra was also a bit in flux | 17:59 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: so that's why | 17:59 |
| M4rtinK | :) | 17:59 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: :nod: I understand. You also have to have a good balance of development and public releases, or you wouldn't get extra features | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | M4rtinK: sure | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | hmm | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: sure :) | 18:02 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: modRana is a bit extreme in this regard, as usually you release a version and then do builds that patch the base version and fix issues | 18:03 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: while development goes forward in a devel branch, which is then stabilised, released, etc. | 18:04 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: but all modRana releases are done from the master branch :) | 18:04 |
| M4rtinK | well I guess many smaller projects do it like this | 18:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's seems for most mid-large projects the way you suggest is the best | 18:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | many packages in maemo are not that complex. You have modRana working on many platforms and it has a fair bit of code in there. | 18:08 |
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| Sysaxed | Does anybody know if a license can be removed if the source code was modified way too much? For example if the code was changed so much that it doesn't even have any line that is the same as the original one | 18:15 |
| M4rtinK | OK then, there is the modRana V0.43.3 release announcement - enjoy ! :D http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1377581&postcount=1461 | 18:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sysaxed: then it's not the same code | 18:30 |
| Sysaxed | sixwheeledbeast: what do you mean? | 18:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well if none of the code is the same then you haven't use any code | 18:35 |
| Sysaxed | and what if some code persists? Just a little bit | 18:37 |
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| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: looks like directly requesting connection from conic does the trick | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: request_connection(conic.CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED) | 20:52 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: like this the connection state callback is called at once with current connection status | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: so if the device is online, the application will be notified once trying to enable connectivity | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: also looks like the callback is called once registered at startup | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: so like this, the whole application lifecycle should be covered | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | sixwheeledbeast: so thanks for pointing me to the connectionmanager.py script :) | 20:55 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | M4rtinK: np, anytime. Thanks for explaining. :) | 23:16 |
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