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| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: I am guessing it is failing to remove the build-stamp found in the clean section of debian/rules | 01:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | you should copy the foopackage dir into scratchbox enviro and run "dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot" in scratchbox as ARMEL on that folder. If the all the contains debian folder is ok it should build. | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yep that sounds correct | 01:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It appears you are offline but hopefully someone will point you to the logs on your next appearance.... | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;-) | 01:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Even if it doesn't build you will get some sane error in scratchbox that you can work from, most probably debian/rules or debian/control file issues. | 01:22 |
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| M4rtinK | any commands for checking if the N900 is connected to the Internet ? | 02:22 |
| M4rtinK | I've checked phone control - http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking | 02:23 |
| M4rtinK | but it has only enable, disable & state change callback | 02:23 |
| M4rtinK | not checking of current state | 02:23 |
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| r00t|home | $ awk 'BEGIN{f=1} ($2=="00000000" && $8 == "00000000"){f=0} END{exit f}' /proc/net/route && echo online | 02:31 |
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| M4rtinK | r00t|home: well, that's indeed a possibility :) | 02:34 |
| M4rtinK | I expected something icd/icd2 related, but this looks like it would do too :) | 02:34 |
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| r00t|home | it's also more portable ;) | 02:35 |
| M4rtinK | r00t|home: BTW, is awk on the N900 by default ? | 02:35 |
| r00t|home | no idea about the icd stuff | 02:35 |
| r00t|home | awk is in better busyboxes | 02:35 |
| M4rtinK | r00t|home: OK, I think I'll go with this one :) | 02:36 |
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| r00t|home | Nokia-N900:~# dpkg -S $(which awk) | 02:36 |
| r00t|home | busybox: /usr/bin/awk | 02:36 |
| r00t|home | note lack of -power | 02:36 |
| M4rtinK | nice, that indeed looks like built-in | 02:37 |
| M4rtinK | also good point about portability | 02:37 |
| M4rtinK | well, awk should be probably available almost anywhere | 02:37 |
| r00t|home | ofcourse it won't work if the device _believes_ is is online, but the connection is not actually working ;) | 02:38 |
| M4rtinK | r00t|home: hh :) | 02:38 |
| r00t|home | also doesn't work in dial-on-demand setups | 02:38 |
| M4rtinK | sure, that might be an issue | 02:38 |
| r00t|home | but i guess n900 handles that through some api calls, and not on routing level | 02:39 |
| r00t|home | also, depending on use case it might be better parse the file in shell directly | 02:40 |
| r00t|home | Nokia-N900:~# o= ; while read if dest gw f x x x mask x x x ;do [ "$dest" = 00000000 ] && [ $mask = 00000000 ] && o=1 ; done </proc/net/route ; [ "$o" ] && echo online | 02:43 |
| M4rtinK | well, I need to run the check from Python | 02:43 |
| r00t|home | THEN WRITE IT IN PYTHON DAMIT | 02:43 |
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| M4rtinK | sure, good point :) | 02:44 |
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| M4rtinK | r00t|home: seems to be working :) | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrrr | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 03:28 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck libusb0.1.4 | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least the wiki instructions work | 03:32 |
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| M4rtinK | r00t|home: so thanks a lot ! :) | 03:34 |
| M4rtinK | r00t|home: BTW, this is how it looks like in the end: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/device_modules/base_device_module.py#L229 | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: wtf, what a cmdline?! | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [ "$o" ] && really? | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I just realized what friggin PITA it must be for linux-inept users to reflash their device | 04:18 |
| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: that tests if $o is empty... | 04:19 |
| r00t|home | or rather, not empty | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher-3.5 refused to work on my system due to 64bit libusb, then I had to blacklist phonet, then it refused to flash and I had to ^C and restart flasher to make it finally go thru ... after it failed halfway first tinme for unknown reasons | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: I know shellscript a bit, but that's really obfuscated stuff | 04:21 |
| r00t|home | $ help test | 04:21 |
| r00t|home | -n STRING | 04:21 |
| r00t|home | STRING True if string is not empty. | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you didn't test for -n | 04:21 |
| r00t|home | see the second line | 04:21 |
| r00t|home | you can omit the -n | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, like I said, maximum obfuscated ;-D | 04:22 |
| r00t|home | it's all rather natural to me... but then i've been doing bash for half a decade | 04:22 |
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| r00t|home | most people write utter nonsense like [ x$o = x ] | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has some rationale | 04:22 |
| r00t|home | (you need to quote the variable, because during parsing the empty string is just skipped over otherwise, and you end up with [ ] which is a syntax error | 04:23 |
| r00t|home | people who don't know quoting use the x=x variant | 04:23 |
| r00t|home | (it still breaks if the variable contains spaces) | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I sometimes use x$A == xBLABLA | 04:24 |
| r00t|home | use quotes instead and omit the x :P | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err s/==/=/ | 04:24 |
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| r00t|home | you can also use [[ instead of [ , which behaves much nicer, but it's only available in bash, not plain sh like busybox | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think under certain circumstances even quoting with " fails | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. when your $var is '"' | 04:26 |
| r00t|home | quoting with " "fails" on exclamation points in interactive mode, because history exapnsion is for silly reasons allowed inside quotes | 04:26 |
| r00t|home | else it always works | 04:26 |
| r00t|home | some characters are still special inside ", like \ or $ | 04:26 |
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| r00t|home | but special chars in variable contents are no problem when the expansion is quoted | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I'm doing shellscripts since ~15 years now, though only occasionally | 04:27 |
| r00t|home | i do way too much shell for unknown reasons... | 04:27 |
| r00t|home | i guess the reason is it's always right at my fingertips when i have a shell open | 04:27 |
| r00t|home | i liked that with basic back on my '64 | 04:28 |
| r00t|home | you just start coding _right_there_, then copy it into a program/script file later | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny enough, a colleague said "wowo, I never knew what you can do in shellscript" when reading http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 04:29 |
| r00t|home | bit operations? | 04:34 |
| r00t|home | i didn't know bash can do binary... only hex and octal :D | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 04:35 |
| r00t|home | one thing bash can NOT do is store arbitary binary data in variables... at least 0-bytes break it... | 04:36 |
| dos1 | shouldn't quoting with ' fix all problems with special chars inside " ? | 04:37 |
| r00t|home | dos1: sure, but it does not allow for variable expansion | 04:37 |
| r00t|home | dos1: if you do it the "right" way, you're constantly switching quoting mode inside strings, which isn't beautiful either | 04:37 |
| r00t|home | echo 'hello '"$world"'!' | 04:38 |
| dos1 | oh, i see | 04:38 |
| dos1 | in [ x$o = x ] context ' sure won't work | 04:38 |
| r00t|home | but " works fine there | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: I'm about to clean the device for Nikolaus | 04:40 |
| r00t|home | or you use [[, which does not need quotes at all, because it's a shell syntax construct and not a command, so normal quoting rules do not apply | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add a FPC of the 3 pcs I received today, some GTA bare bones housing and GPS active antennae | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: nikolaus maybe found a matching 1GB-RAM PoP, alas without NAND | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | r00t|home: pun question: what type of command is ']' | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/var/log # which ] | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which: no ] in (/usr/lib64/mpi/gcc/openmpi/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/opt/kde3/bin) | 04:45 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: nice! | 04:45 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: what are the adventages of running os from separate nand insead of emmc? bandwidth? | 04:48 |
| ShadowJK | ubifs on nand should be faster than ext3-on-emmc for small writes (common to OS use) | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | With a modern kernel we could run f2fs instead, which performs about twice as fast as ext4 on emmc-type. | 04:51 |
| ShadowJK | Regardless, the more devices to spread IO traffic around to, the better | 04:54 |
| dos1 | :nod: | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: no advantages | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we need NAND for e.g CAL | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 04:57 |
| dos1 | oh | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless we build some massive cheat into kernel | 04:59 |
| ShadowJK | Considering the emmc doed about 1-4 WIOPS, if there's a write in-flight, the page-in of executable code from /opt can have to wait up to a second in worst case.. so I'd say it does have an impact | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not about those 256MB NAND and the 4 or 5 partitions on it, it's about kernel and userland using those | 05:00 |
| ShadowJK | (especially if sqlite-using things like.. well, conversations, browser, tracker is running) | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the new eMMC seem faster | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but still... missing on NAND is a pain | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure we can boot from eMMC | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe we even can cheat CAL and mtdoops | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I don't like that solution | 05:04 |
| ShadowJK | If it has a log-structured SLC cache, it will be able to do short bursts at 100-400 WIOPS.. if it just has faster raw nand inside though, it wont be a noticeable speed boost for multitasking os use | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I raher go for 512MB RAM and 512 NAND | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dman those 1GB RAM requests | 05:06 |
| ShadowJK | I'd rather take 1G/0G.. and put /home on uSD | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody offers 1GB RAM + NAND PoP MCP, except Nokia in N9 | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: no way | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that means you can't swap uSD anymore | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aside from that, why put /home on uSD? | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just fine on eMMC | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that friggin DM3730 only had RAM bus on bottom chips | 05:08 |
| ShadowJK | I mean as a personal setup, to separate write intensive data from read intensive data | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's your private non fremantle comaptibel setup | 05:10 |
| ShadowJK | so the write doesn't hold up reads | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not viable for Neo900 | 05:10 |
| ShadowJK | oh yes | 05:10 |
| ShadowJK | I already use swap on uSD for the same reason :P | 05:11 |
| ShadowJK | (and some other stuff, like moving gpodder's data files to uSD makes downloaading podcasts 5 times fasrer) | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what do we need? 2 eMMC? | 05:11 |
| ShadowJK | How many mmc interfaces does omap have? :D | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped for RAM in MCP eMMC chip, but it seems it has its own RAM bus, just simply sharing same chip package with eMMC | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (how many) to be evaluated if more than one can share same bus | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DM3730 has 2 separate IF iirc | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | Bus sharing isn't very useful | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | this would be awesome :D http://www.anandtech.com/show/7347/sandisk-announces-optimized-inand-extreme-emmc-for-bay-trail | 05:22 |
| ShadowJK | 400 WIOPS sustained | 05:23 |
| ShadowJK | best of best I've seen so far has been 100-400 peak/burst | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i guess we can use iNand eMMC | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya there are faster eMMC nowadays | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I jst wish there was a flash (eMMC) with a smart controller and 1 or 2 GB of RAM "buffer" | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought those 32+1 combi eMMC would be this, but it seems they are not | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin usual mess of big business not even providing datasheets | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only pamphlets with marketing blabla | 05:48 |
| jonwil | what part are you trying to find datasheet for? | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mompls | 05:51 |
| * jonwil reads backtrace | 05:52 | |
| jonwil | chanlog | 05:52 |
| ShadowJK | 32+1? | 05:53 |
| jonwil | you are talking about memory parts? | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372500#post1372500 | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KMK2U000VM | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> Instead of interconnecting and using these memory chips separately within the device, MCP introduces the concept of unifying all the memory chips onto a single substrate. The chips are then connected on the substrate using one of several techniques, such as die-to-die bonding or die-to-frame bonding. Along with a substantial reduction in the board space used by the memory subsection, this technique significantly improves the | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | performance of memory devices due to the tight coupling and shortest possible interconnections between the memory chips.<< | 05:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what been the PoP on N900? KAT0F00D? | 06:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Samsung Semiconductor KAT00F00DD-AE77 MCP - 2Gb OneNAND Flash, 2Gb Mobile DDR, PoP | 06:08 |
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| jonwil | anyone know where I can find a tool that can strip comments from a source file? (I cant seem to find anything with Google) | 08:03 |
| bef0rd | cloc | 08:04 |
| bef0rd | o, not really strip, just count them | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there must be an abundance of c prettyprinters | 08:05 |
| bef0rd | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2394017/remove-comments-from-c-c-code | 08:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_(Unix) | 08:10 |
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| Macer | hm | 15:16 |
| Macer | how odd | 15:17 |
| Macer | pan seems to work but i have to keep re-adding the device for windows to direct connect to the n900 | 15:17 |
| Macer | it is the strangest thing | 15:17 |
| Macer | right now it still allows for a direct connection but later it will only give an adhoc option | 15:18 |
| Macer | odd | 15:18 |
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| jonwil | anyone know what actingdead is? | 16:29 |
| cehteh | after the warranty is over, the device enters that mode :) | 16:35 |
| cehteh | srly ... charging is managed by a userspace daemon, when the device is turned but plugged into charger/usb it boots into acting-dead where only charging running but nothing else is booted up | 16:37 |
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| inz | also on alarm-from-poweroff | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good point | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically act_dead is a runlevel different to the "normal" one | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK | In Diablo, switching from act_dead to normal is very fast :) | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they changed the way this switching works, in fremantle. And again in HARM | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | In HARM even a ssh session survives switching to act_dead | 17:07 |
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| jonwil | ok, now I see what osso-systemui-actingdead is for, its to display the UI (including audio) so that when you go into actdead mode you get indications of whats going on | 17:29 |
| jonwil | i.e. when the battery is really drained and you power up the phone with the charger plugged in, it can play the audio to say "yes I am charging" | 17:30 |
| jonwil | Having studied it (and osso-systemui-modechange) I can say that they can go off the "needs changes for Neo900" list as nothing they do is tied to the hardware as such | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 17:48 |
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| kerio | so... we're going to keep the godawful act_dead mode? :c | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't know anybody was about to _not_ keep _anything_ | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW wtf are you talking about? You sound like somebody announced development of HARM++ | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to remove act_dead mode form your system, should be rather simple to establish | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this however would imply that your system boots up on plugging in the charger (or on RTC alarm) and will NOT power down when you unplug it (or cancel the alarm) - or alternatively you can set up your config so system *always* powers down on unplugging charger, if you prefer that | 18:18 |
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| Sicelo | please help with my battery drainage issue. | 18:57 |
| Sicelo | powertop output: http://pastebin.com/wu65QRLi | 18:57 |
| Sicelo | nothing 'unusual' running. just two xmpp accounts in Conversations, and 2 other accounts in pidgin. no widgets at all. using wifi | 18:58 |
| Sicelo | i'm onk CSSU-S+KP52. | 19:00 |
| Sicelo | htop doesn't show any process to be holding up CPU | 19:02 |
| Sc0rpius | close pidgin and test again | 19:05 |
| Sc0rpius | and I'm assuming Wifi, right? | 19:05 |
| Sc0rpius | WiFi in power save mode? | 19:05 |
| Sicelo | yes, PSM on. however, this was the case even with GPRS (not 3_) | 19:09 |
| Sicelo | yes, PSM on. however, this was the case even with GPRS (not 3G) | 19:09 |
| Sicelo | surely that should not cause CPU to not get to C4, should it? | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | display seems to be on 100% | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | and something is keeping some hw active, could be accelerometer | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | not that it would be main power use, but insdicates device isn't reaching idle | 19:11 |
| Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91371 | 19:15 |
| Sicelo | weird stuff. (i posted there,as qhubekela) | 19:15 |
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| wotan147 | Folks on this page http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application they say I have to put a unix{ enty in the .pro files, but shouldnt' I rather replace it by a maemo{ entry? | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: pretty much sounds like a bug in KP | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: accelerometer should show in IRQ of I2C, don't ask me which one | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course it could be the age old heissenbug in I2C | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: check spirit level or accelerometer test app, whatever, to make sure communication to LIS302 is working | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and also that the values delivered make any sense | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl o/ | 23:45 |
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