| jdoles | If you get a subscription for some fast Internet (14.4Mb/s), can you also use it with the N900 in a slower mode? (I don't think the N900 does 14.4Mb/s, because it lacks a modern chip) | 00:02 |
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| jdoles | That is, do the networks fall back to whatever the phone does support or can you basically throw away your N900 is you still want to use some mobile internet? | 00:03 |
| jdoles | s/is/if | 00:03 |
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| wotan147 | Folks is it possible to package a maemo app form ubuntu without scratchbox? just with dpkg-buildpackages? | 00:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | jdoles, the provider probably will support fallback/slower speeds. As long as they are using the same frequencies as N900 then it should be possible. | 00:14 |
| psycho_oreos | wotan147, doubt it. scratchbox is mainly needed also for cross compiling. Plus it has all the necessary maemo deps. | 00:15 |
| psycho_oreos | You might be able to forgo scratchbox setup, but you may end up with a messy build environment that is mixed with maemo stuff. In the very least scratchbox is provided so that the mess is somewhat more contained. | 00:16 |
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| wotan147 | psycho_oreos hm :( okay thanks ;) | 00:25 |
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| samuel1 | holaaa | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jdoles: fallback | 00:35 |
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| jdoles | Regarding speed, I am seeing that lots of networks still support on 2Mb/s vs 14.4Mb/s and that lots of people have reported 9Mb/s to work on the N900. Is it really annoying to use the 2Mb/s variant? | 00:52 |
| jdoles | Most bandwidth limits are really low, so the only benefit would be reduced latency when browsing, but even via wifi that's not really that fast on an N900 (it seems CPU limited). | 00:53 |
| jdoles | I am even considering to just keep the N900 as a toy and get another phone for more serious things. | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900 is no phone and no toy, but a tool | 00:56 |
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| jdoles | A tool for doing what exactly? | 01:04 |
| jdoles | A laptop can do the same things, except for calling, which even a Nokia 3210 can do (with much better battery life). | 01:04 |
| jdoles | Don't get me wrong, it's great that a phone exists on which one can run Debian, if one is so inclined. | 01:05 |
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| int_ua | what's the right word(s) to call dpkg dependencies separated by | (vertical bar, meaning either one is good) | 01:23 |
| int_ua | ? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alternatives? | 01:25 |
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| int_ua | DocScrutinizer51, thanks :) | 01:27 |
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| int_ua | Doesn't HAM understands them really? Can't find any info | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | int_ua: seems HAM is't prepared to send the right commands to apt and generally handle a few such thigs | 01:46 |
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| RiD | jdoles i still use it as my primary phone | 02:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | jdoles, N900 was one of the most powerful device capable of running linux and bearing phone functionality that existed on the market three years ago. Even though N900 has proprietary bits and is now considered a dated technology against modern rivals, linux users can happily admit that N900 will continue to show what embedded technology running linux can do. You can think of it as a similar case such as Trolltech Qt phone, Openmoko phones/devices, | 06:58 |
| psycho_oreos | etc. | 06:58 |
| psycho_oreos | An Apple fan for instance will happily retain iPhones thinking that it was the best innovation Apple did along with bringing out phone functionality. That very similar case can be applied here. | 07:00 |
| psycho_oreos | If you're going to view N900 as some poor device that is either slow, battery hogging, poorly designed, outdated, etc. You're not going to have any better perception. | 07:02 |
| wmarone | the problem is that all of that is true to a degree | 07:04 |
| wmarone | doesn't negate that it was a great device | 07:04 |
| psycho_oreos | I too can happily admit along with RiD that N900 is still my primary phone/device. Once I get my N900 fixed, I will continue to use N900 until a suitable replacement candidate (such as Neo900) comes along. | 07:05 |
| wmarone | I retired mine because it kept missing calls and failing at any actual connectivity (not retrieving mail, etc.) | 07:05 |
| psycho_oreos | To me in all honesty, it depends on how one perceives a glass cup with half the amount of water. Skeptics will think that the glass is already half empty, optimists will think the opposite. | 07:06 |
| wmarone | it's consumer electronics, not a lifestyle | 07:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I have had similar issues with mine until I started using CSSU-Thumb. Although it still wasn't a complete fix, I am still happy to see the capabilities that it bore three years ago. | 07:08 |
| psycho_oreos | I was crudely putting N900 in a manner of which how one were to objectively view things. | 07:08 |
| wmarone | Changing the processor instruction set being used won't fix fundamental software bugs. | 07:09 |
| psycho_oreos | Not that I wasn't aware of that, but my concerns were squarely pointed at how I set mine up and how the device continues to run over time without shutting down. | 07:10 |
| wmarone | without shutting down? | 07:11 |
| psycho_oreos | In terms of *nix side of things, think of it as like uptime that is on mission critical servers. | 07:11 |
| wmarone | ah | 07:12 |
| wmarone | well yes, it would never crash | 07:12 |
| wmarone | but the N900 does have software bugs that would require reboots to get around, particularly in the network connectivity bits | 07:12 |
| psycho_oreos | Not only that, but it has to still behave like as if the way the machine started for the very first time. It has to retain that same performance (to a degree), if the machine were to get very sluggish over time. That would decrease one's desires in achieving maximum productivity. | 07:13 |
| wmarone | wrath of tracker and the browser | 07:14 |
| wmarone | and lack of RAm | 07:14 |
| wmarone | heh | 07:14 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah or things like maybe software rot. It's inevitable as it is also inherently blaming on proprietary/closed bits and/or lacking popularity to get issues resolved quicker. | 07:15 |
| wmarone | and being abandoned | 07:15 |
| psycho_oreos | Again N900 is dated in today's standards, but three years ago. Nobody would be able to find a device bearing similar capabilities and yet being sold as a consumer device. To me, apart from linux on phone (so to speak) with 32GB eMMC and bearing microSD expansion upgrade-ability was really superior. | 07:17 |
| wmarone | well, yes | 07:18 |
| wmarone | that's why I bought one | 07:18 |
| psycho_oreos | Inevitably. Technologies don't evolve themselves, but N900 I'd say would go down in the history of linux making its footprint in the real world as a beast of it's time. | 07:19 |
| wmarone | amongst its fans | 07:19 |
| psycho_oreos | Yup, regardless of what sort of fan are you. Apple fans have their iPhones. Other linux fans would see Android as their star, etc. | 07:20 |
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| oooaaaooo | hi guys am having trouble sshing into n900 via usb | 08:48 |
| oooaaaooo | connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: No route to host | 08:49 |
| oooaaaooo | is what it says on my computer | 08:50 |
| oooaaaooo | usually it works fine | 08:50 |
| oooaaaooo | dmesg on my computer gives me this | 08:50 |
| oooaaaooo | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready | 08:50 |
| oooaaaooo | nevermind | 08:52 |
| oooaaaooo | figured it out | 08:52 |
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| SAiF | settings for yahoo IM? there are defaults for gmail and facebook, but not for yahoo? | 10:56 |
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| oooaaaooo | hi guys when i ssh into n900 and run ls i get "ls: unrecognized option `--color=auto' | 11:27 |
| oooaaaooo | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso31+0cssu0) multi-call binary | 11:27 |
| oooaaaooo | Usage: ls [-1AacCdeilnLRrSsTtuvwxXhk] [filenames...] | 11:27 |
| oooaaaooo | " | 11:27 |
| oooaaaooo | why is it doing that | 11:27 |
| oooaaaooo | it runs fine on the n900 itself | 11:27 |
| oooaaaooo | is this a ssh option | 11:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | Sounds like alias in probably ~/.bashrc or something like that. | 11:29 |
| zammy | when I run my ssh on n900 using root... or without root I can't | 11:30 |
| zammy | if I try ls it runs good | 11:30 |
| kerio | oooaaaooo: wrong TERM maybe | 11:30 |
| kerio | no wait | 11:30 |
| kerio | it's a weird alias | 11:30 |
| oooaaaooo | yup | 11:31 |
| oooaaaooo | zammy: yup | 11:31 |
| oooaaaooo | zammy: thanx that worked | 11:31 |
| oooaaaooo | thats weird; you have to gainroot before ls works... | 11:32 |
| zammy | anyway I never been able to ssh my n900 without root... | 11:32 |
| oooaaaooo | probably because its a different session with different settings...? | 11:32 |
| psycho_oreos | You two don't know much about linux CLI do you? It was already pointed out earlier that it was 'alias'. | 11:33 |
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| oooaaaooo | psycho_oreos: what was aliased | 11:33 |
| zammy | who knows which is the password for user@myn900 | 11:34 |
| zammy | idk | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | oooaaaooo, 'ls' command. Have a look clearly when you type 'alias' look at the line that contains ls="ls --color=auto" or something like that and see where the busybox provided ls would provide that option. | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | There's no password set default for user. You can set one up yourself. | 11:35 |
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| oooaaaooo | psycho_oreos: there is none on the n900 but it does exist on my host machine | 11:36 |
| oooaaaooo | ls='ls $LS_OPTIONS' | 11:37 |
| oooaaaooo | l='ls $LS_OPTIONS -lA' | 11:37 |
| oooaaaooo | ll='ls $LS_OPTIONS -l' | 11:37 |
| oooaaaooo | is on my n900 | 11:37 |
| oooaaaooo | alias grep='grep --colour=auto' | 11:37 |
| oooaaaooo | alias ls='ls --color=auto | 11:37 |
| oooaaaooo | on my local | 11:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | and what does 'echo $LS_OPTIONS' show when you type that in on your N900? | 11:37 |
| oooaaaooo | --color=auto | 11:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | Exactly. | 11:38 |
| oooaaaooo | so basically by default it already includes the options? | 11:39 |
| oooaaaooo | when i call ls | 11:39 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm unsure if its by default but you're welcome to either: install and use GNU ls and/or redefine $LS_OPTIONS variable/environment variable. | 11:40 |
| oooaaaooo | hmm i thought i had gnu ls installed | 11:42 |
| oooaaaooo | was that a part of coreutils? | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Whenever you call ls, because ls is aliased to do whatever is stated in $LS_OPTIONS it will make ls run whatever $LS_OPTIONS states. That's the basics of alias, seriously.. learn BASH. | 11:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | Even if you have GNU ls installed, it would not be in the same $PATH as busybox provided ls. It would probably be in /usr/bin/gnu/ls or something like that. | 11:43 |
| oooaaaooo | so basically redefine alias ls to point to gnu ls | 11:43 |
| oooaaaooo | ok | 11:44 |
| psycho_oreos | or un-alias ls so that you won't need to bother with ls --color=auto whenever it tries to call /bin/ls. | 11:44 |
| oooaaaooo | Due to conflicts with busybox and SDK, all binaries are stored in /usr/bin/gnu, | 11:50 |
| oooaaaooo | which could be added to $PATH, or can be called with a 'g' prefix, e.g., 'gcat' | 11:50 |
| oooaaaooo | for cat. | 11:50 |
| oooaaaooo | solved | 11:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | zammy: what is your issue with ssh? | 13:31 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | user password is not set by the sounds of it | 13:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "passwd user" to set in terminal | 13:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | openssh only sets root password on installation | 13:41 |
| wnd | Now that we're at it, I can't log in with pubkey authentication (using openssh) on my n900. I used to be able to, and I remember I had to some some extra manual work in order to make it happen. Then I had to do a full reflash, and now I can't remember how to do it again. This is kind of embarassing. | 13:44 |
| Wizzup | yes | 13:45 |
| Wizzup | google on how to do pubkey auth | 13:45 |
| Wizzup | its really simple | 13:45 |
| wnd | Before I do, I'd like to say that I do use pubkey for other computers, including using single-purpose keys to run unattended, pre-determined commands/scripts in cronjobs and such. | 13:47 |
| wnd | but for whatever reason I no longer can make that work with n900 | 13:47 |
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| wnd | actually, asking on irc (and not getting an answer) solved the problem again | 13:48 |
| wnd | this is scary how othen it works | 13:48 |
| wnd | after asking the question I realised permissions for $HOME/.ssh were too liberal | 13:49 |
| wnd | again, this is embarassing :-) | 13:49 |
| robotanarchy | can anyone recommend a good monospace font for the terminal? | 13:51 |
| wnd | I use 7x13 (and truetype for whatever glyphcs that are missing) | 13:53 |
| robotanarchy | ah thanks | 13:56 |
| robotanarchy | and one thing that has always bugged me: is it possible to enable / disable repos from SSH? | 13:56 |
| robotanarchy | or add new ones | 13:57 |
| wnd | well, there is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 13:57 |
| wnd | not sure if touching it will upset ham, though | 13:57 |
| robotanarchy | doesn't that get rewritten by hildon every now and then? | 13:57 |
| Wizzup | changing it wfm | 13:57 |
| robotanarchy | wfm? | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | works for me | 13:58 |
| Wizzup | afk | 13:58 |
| robotanarchy | ok thx | 13:58 |
| wnd | what does ham actually do when you disable a repository? I mean, iirc it still remember that repo, so it must keep a record somewhere. | 13:59 |
| robotanarchy | also the repo names are not in that file | 14:00 |
| wnd | ah, that too | 14:00 |
| wnd | /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues | 14:01 |
| wnd | that's probably the one | 14:01 |
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| wotan147 | guys I try to follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging, but after I sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL and relaunch, I don't see no armel package | 16:29 |
| wotan147 | any ideas? | 16:29 |
| RST38h | You are not supposed to see anything | 16:30 |
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| RST38h | It sets scratchbox to compile for armel | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robotanarchy: it *will* get rewritten every now and then. Actually changing repos form cmdline is *not* recommended, you better use HAM for that, even when you usually use apt only and never use HAM to install/uninstall packages | 16:31 |
| RST38h | now, you are supposed to build your package | 16:31 |
| robotanarchy | DocScrutinizer05: ok thanks :) | 16:31 |
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| wotan147 | yes but then I relaunch with dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot -k<my email address> and there is no .deb | 16:32 |
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| wotan147 | any idea RST38h? | 16:33 |
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| wotan147 | when packaging for N900, in the debian/rule, should I point toward qmake-qt4 or /opt/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/targets/fremantle-pr13/bin/qmake-qt4 ? | 16:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: sample rules file http://pastebin.com/d3jczixj | 17:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | this is from a Qt package BTW | 17:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | are you at the correct dir when running dpkg-build? error message? | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I never heard anybody asking which build tool to reference in rules file .oO(???) | 18:15 |
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| Suny | Hi | 18:24 |
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| Suny | Docscrutinizer ping | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pong, timeout 60s | 18:27 |
| Suny | Doc can we manually edit /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/backlight file | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry have to run, decide between plague and cholera, aka "vote". BBL | 18:28 |
| robotanarchy | go go go 30 minutes! | 18:28 |
| Suny | no problem | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not easily, but you probably can bindmount a new file over it | 18:28 |
| Suny | well how to do so I have this installed talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1198881&postcount=183 | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount -o bind ~/my-editable-file /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/backlight | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | won't change the file handles of processes that already opened /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/backlight | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so you probably will want to restart mce after that bindmount | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe hal too | 18:33 |
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| Suny | or restarting device | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, or are you asking about a simple "echo $foobar >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/backlight" ? | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to actually change backlight brightness. That's possible any time | 18:34 |
| Suny | yes | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty standard | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the sysnode is meant to get used that way | 18:35 |
| Suny | but which file to edit | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas mce will overwrite whatever you put there | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl, sorry | 18:36 |
| Suny | I editted brightness file but whenever I change brightness level it revert back to its original value | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas mce will overwrite whatever you put there | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop mce | 18:37 |
| Suny | killall mce | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop mce | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | literal | 18:38 |
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| Suny | will it revert back on restarting device | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and on | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start mce | 18:41 |
| wotan147 | sixwheeledbeast but still it is only building a i386 package | 18:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | er? are you FREMANTLE_ARMEL: | 18:42 |
| Suny | is there anyway to use our own assign values ? | 18:42 |
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| wotan147 | 1 st time I run http://pastebin.com/E65W0gAi | 18:44 |
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| wotan147 | then I sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL as said in http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Packaging_a_.deb | 18:45 |
| wotan147 | and than relaunch with dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot -kmyname@myemail | 18:46 |
| wotan147 | and then It says that http://pastebin.com/cT2MCMzd | 18:47 |
| Suny | oh using hex editor editing binary file | 18:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, I haven't forgotten about the announcement. Real estate things have been occupying my attention. | 18:55 |
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| Wizzup | so, the n900 portrait mode | 18:56 |
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| Wizzup | is it also possible to have it do portait mode when holding the n900 upside down | 18:57 |
| Wizzup | Like, flipped portait mode? | 18:57 |
| Wizzup | (I have this phone holder for my bike, and the place where the jack goes is covered in ``normal'' portrait orientation | 18:57 |
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| wotan147 | sixwheeledbeast do you know if there is another thing to do to specify to build for armel? | 18:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: you are using <> around your email? | 19:04 |
| Wizzup | Is this a weird question? | 19:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Wizzup yes it's weird :P no i don't believe you can | 19:04 |
| Wizzup | It seems like something so trivial. | 19:06 |
| Wizzup | As in, flip the final image to the screen and the input | 19:06 |
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| wotan147 | sixwheeledbeast no, should I? | 19:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | AFAIK yes | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: no worries, I've been busy this week as well | 19:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: TBH looking at my files I don't use -k option at all, I some how remember making scratchbox learn my e-mail and do it automatically | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: afaik it should already do this "upside-down portrait" | 19:10 |
| wotan147 | okay | 19:11 |
| wotan147 | but why would he build the x86 package then ? | 19:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | upside down portrait really?! | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never use portrait, so U don't know for sure, but I seem to remember it should do all 4 orientations, and everything else would be pretty buggy design anyway | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/U /I / | 19:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I never use portrait, so I don't know for sure, but I seem to remember it should do all 4 orientations, and everything else would be pretty buggy design anyway | 19:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: I am not sure TBH I am pretty fresh to that | 19:12 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I see, it doesn't switch to it anyway | 19:13 |
| Wizzup | at least, seems to | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then open a ticket against CSSU | 19:13 |
| Wizzup | okay, sounds nice | 19:13 |
| Wizzup | I just might | 19:13 |
| Wizzup | have to go home first though | 19:13 |
| Wizzup | ¯\o/¯ | 19:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: I set scratchbox up as the wiki's and run "dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot" as FREMANTLE_ARMEL: | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my specs on how to implement lockswitch, white/blacklist et al, already considered all 4 orientations maybe 2 years ago | 19:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: maybe you have incorrect targets? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, those specs also already considered a special X-MAEMO-ORIENTATION tag in .desktop files, and I still don't see that | 19:15 |
| * sixwheeledbeast goes in search of some mystery ui_rotate gconf key for that... | 19:16 | |
| wotan147 | sixwheeledbeast where are the target set? | 19:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wotan147: in "sb-menu" look at show | 19:27 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I see | 19:28 |
| Wizzup | I may work on it, in the future | 19:28 |
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| Guest_____ | I just discovered the Neo900 a few minutes ago. Does anyone have an idea about when it might become available for purchase? 6 months? 1 year? 3 years? I'm also wondering if the touch screen will support pinch-to-zoom (multi-touch) | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 6 months | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather 9 | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no mt on touchpanel, it's same panel as on N900 | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and fremantle doesn't support "pinch to zoom" anyway. In fremantle you have a different gesture to zoom | 19:30 |
| Guest_____ | Awesome, I signed up for the OpenPhoenux mailing list and will pre-order once that becomes available. I'll be using Replicant OS (Android) once it runs on the GT04. They say they are working on it now | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, replicat already half finished afaik | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on GTA04 | 19:31 |
| Guest_____ | I read that the case parts are overstock N900 parts. What happens when those run out, will someone be able to manufacturer more parts? | 19:32 |
| wotan147 | sixwheeldbeast when I look there, I habe a FREMANTLE_ARMEL define for arm | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt the case parts will be our first problem we run into | 19:32 |
| Guest_____ | hahaha | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if we actually sell so many devices that those become unavailable due to sell out, we will be able to afford building new ones | 19:33 |
| Guest_____ | I've held off buying a GTA04 based phone for years because I wanted somethign like the N900.. larger screen, slide out qwerty keyboard, nice form factor, etc. Maybe once the Neo900 becomes available, more people like me will overwhelm the supplier with orders. | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't look like, see | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~50 "preorders/votes" for >=700EUR, and we for sure won't be able to hit the "mass market" with a sales price tag of <450 | 19:35 |
| Guest_____ | are you talking about the poll results? Those don't count people like me who haven't been keeping tabs on GTA04 like myself | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I'm aware of all that | 19:36 |
| Guest_____ | Count me in as someone willing to pay >=700EUR for one | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now we are happy when we can reach our 200 units threshold, or rather even the amount of people doing early ventuare preorder to finance the prototyping | 19:37 |
| Guest_____ | I haven't read much of the forum yet.. is there a pre-order page now? Do I have to pay now or can I pay when you are ready to manufacturer? | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet | 19:37 |
| Guest_____ | ok | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a time table I posted in one of the Neo900-thread posts | 19:38 |
| Guest_____ | Ok I'll look for it. Once I have one, if I really like it, I would be interested in discussing becoming a Canadian reseller | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we'll come up with *something* you can throw money at, in 3..5 weeks maybe | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reseller? hey, nice :-) | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | welcome | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have _no_clue_ about the business part in this adventure, and I doubt Nikolaus thought about resellers yet. But hey, he could do now ;-) | 19:40 |
| Guest_____ | I'm nobody right now but I think these don't sell because people don't know about them, or why they should care about open platforms. I'd market the product and try to sell as many as I can | 19:41 |
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| Guest_____ | You've answered my immediate questions, so I'll keep an eye on the mailing list and check back every few weeks. Thanks | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, right now we are about to validate design and investigate design options, like 1GB RAM | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we will not ask for, or accept any money before we are sure we can actually come up with something feasible that we _can_ do | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're not going "thanks for all the donations, but sorry guys and gals, we realized we don't have the expertise to pull this off" or "... realized we can't source the DM3730 anymore" or "... relized the modem module doesn't fit nto N900 case" etc | 19:47 |
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| Guest_____ | That's good, I'm not in a position to buy a batch of them right now anyway, plus I want to test one out for myself first. I've never used an N900 or Maemo before, so for me getting Replicant OS working on it satisfactorily will be most important. I hope Jitsi can get their Android port released next year too, because it supports ZRTP encryption on voice & video chats as well as OTR on text chats. | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we will offer methods to transfer money as soon as we have no doubt this can actually work if only sufficient preorders come in | 19:48 |
| Guest_____ | Is community@openphoenux.org a good mailing list to be on for updates? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now most info happening on | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this may change a bit, soon | 19:50 |
| Guest_____ | ok, thanks | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe nikolaus will set up a dedicated neo900 ML, or will start chatting about neo900 on community@openphoenux.org | 19:51 |
| SAiF | most people still havent seen an n900, I think strong publicity should be needed for Neo900. | 19:52 |
| Guest_____ | I'm currently subscribed to community. I probably will not remember to check the forum very often, but new messages appearing on community will show up in my inbox | 19:52 |
| dos1 | Guest_____: bigger updates should still be mentioned in community ml | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Guest_____: register on tmo, subscribe to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 thread, receive emails for each new post | 19:53 |
| dos1 | if they won't, I'll write them by myself ;) | 19:53 |
| Guest_____ | @Doc: will do | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Guest_____: this way you as well can vote on the poll, which helps a lot for us estimating if this thing will fly or not | 19:54 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: angela :c | 20:00 |
| SAiF | ?? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: somebody shot her? | 20:01 |
| Guest_____ | Something is wrong with the website. I registered, clicked the email activation link and then logged in to confirm. To vote on the forum I have to login again, but it says my username/password is invalid. I then tried to go to the main maemo.org homepage and login, same problem. Then I tried from a different browser, same problem. | 20:01 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm sad | 20:02 |
| kerio | so, no | 20:02 |
| SAiF | I could login | 20:03 |
| Guest_____ | Oh I see a note that says new users might need to wait a few minutes | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Guest_____: wait for a while, make sure you correctly registered and confirmed. Aloow for processing of data and don't trigger spambot-countermeasures by too frequently hitting the register.php URL | 20:03 |
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| Guest_____ | When I try to activate again, it says that I'm already activated. I'll wait a while... it says I've used 4 out of 5 login attempts so I'll give it some time | 20:05 |
| SAiF | I really would like to know where from we get the cases, is there enough around? I couldnt even see new ones on online listings. | 20:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 hands kerio a glas of Fernet Branca | 20:07 | |
| SAiF | And as you said above if you make then will it be of enough quality? | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: for now cases are abundance | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for ~17EUR | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in black, gray, silver, white, and even gold | 20:08 |
| SAiF | ew.. to anything other than black | 20:09 |
| dos1 | pink maybe? ;) | 20:09 |
| SAiF | originals?? or third party? | 20:09 |
| SAiF | dos1, ^^ lol. I doubt whether girls still use it. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/housing-for-nokia-n900.html | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Complete housing for nokia N900 | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Min. Order: 20 Pieces | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Supply Ability: 50000 Piece/Pieces per Week | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enough? ;-P | 20:11 |
| SAiF | I hope they are true.. | 20:11 |
| SAiF | Alibaba is a name of a thief right? | 20:11 |
| SAiF | or am I mistaken.. I heard a story like that | 20:12 |
| SAiF | dont remember now. | 20:12 |
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| SAiF | alibaba and 40 thiefs.. | 20:12 |
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| dos1 | that first one with 20/50000 doesn't look like n900 one :P | 20:12 |
| Guest_____ | Off topic: When I click the vote button in the forum it takes me to a login page that doesn't use HTTPS, but it MD5 hashes the password before submitting. I would feel much safer if it used HTTPS, preferrably with a Perfect Forward Secrecy (PFS) algorithm. I just tested https://garage.maemo.org/ using Qualys SSL Labs and it scored an F | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokia n900: 164 Products found from 17 Suppliers + Manufacturers | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1126604396/Parts_Full_Housing_for_Nokia_N900.html | 20:14 |
| Guest_____ | Interesting, that one doesn't have a slide out keyboard | 20:15 |
| SAiF | so you are plaaning to get some colors to neo? | 20:16 |
| dos1 | I can't decide which color I'd want | 20:17 |
| Guest_____ | N900 keyboard is a selling point for me | 20:17 |
| dos1 | so I want the rainbow one :D | 20:17 |
| entitled | found out something weird, after since I opened my N900, the headphone jack doesen't always align perfectly. I get this buzzing sound that changes depending what gets displayed on the screen (interference). like playing a video has different sound than being on the "desktop". | 20:18 |
| SAiF | I think original ones have a nokia nseries logo on back. and this one does have, its plain | 20:18 |
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| entitled | Now, I found out that when the display is turned off and I adjust volume, the noise gets increased for few seconds, exacly the time that it takes for the yellow volume bar to appear. | 20:18 |
| entitled | so even if display is blank, the N900 still kind of renders all the UI. | 20:19 |
| dos1 | SAiF: actually, that's good | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Guest_____: will won't ship Neo900 without kbd :-D | 20:19 |
| SAiF | I was thinking, may be if they are manufacturing them, we would request for a neo 900 logo | 20:19 |
| Guest_____ | "will won't" which one is it? haha | 20:20 |
| entitled | Isn't that bad design? It must have an effect on the battery life, does that mean widgets or other crap get rendered even if display is off? | 20:20 |
| SAiF | will is the shipping manager | 20:20 |
| SAiF | lol | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 20:22 |
| Guest_____ | Still havn't been able to get logged into maemo.org after creating an account. I'm heading out now but will check back on it later, and then place my vote for one. Thanks for answering my questions. | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Guest_____: make sure to clear your browser cache and cookies | 20:22 |
| entitled | Any input? | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then, if still problems, send a mail to chem|st, or ping him here | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | entitled: no flaws in design known - your conclusions might be incorrect | 20:24 |
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| entitled | well I can try to make video+sound, that proves that yes, the volume bar gets rendered (same kind of noise for same time) regardless the state of display being on or off. | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first of all your "sound" is a bug and clearly not defined what exactly it tells us, except that your device is broken | 20:28 |
| entitled | and smarter people can then try to figure out if any other UI related action is happening/active even if it shouldn't. | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and AV out is supposed to work even when screen blanked, so in the end all this is telling us nothing at all | 20:30 |
| entitled | ah | 20:30 |
| entitled | well it could be due to video out signal getting fed into the plug. | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 20:31 |
| entitled | Well just thought it was worth mentioning and I forgot the whole video out as I never use that. | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np, thanks for bringing it to public attention | 20:32 |
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