| Pali | this is reason why I do not trust virtualbox --> it is oracle product | 00:00 |
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| kerio | it's opensource | 00:01 |
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| Pali | kerio: but controlled by oracle | 00:03 |
| Pali | like openoffice, mysql, java, ksplice... | 00:03 |
| Pali | look what happened with all these products... | 00:04 |
| kerio | well they just bought ksplice, didn't they | 00:04 |
| kerio | it used to be a startup | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what happened to all those products: all the FOSS devels got pissed, while oracle hoped to improve their image by supporting the project? | 00:05 |
| Pali | yes, they bought all those projects | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe it was just that oracle needed some decent working software and didn't want to foss-share the improvements they implement for their cistomers | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the foss community got pissed and abandoned the project, and oracle been left behind with their codedrop | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remind me, how started starwriter? (pre-staroffice? pre-pre-openoffice?) | 00:08 |
| Pali | staroffice? | 00:08 |
| Pali | I really do not remember | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall some geek stashing packages with floppies on his stairs in his house | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Marco Börries | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Star Division | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarWriter_(word_processor) | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "The German company StarDivision in Lüneburg (founded by 16-year-old Marco Börries in 1984)..." | 00:12 |
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| lardman | evening all :) | 00:15 |
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| lardman | thp: ping | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I used starwriter on CPC6128 back in the early 80s | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mid 80s, ok | 00:17 |
| lardman | hi Doc | 00:17 |
| lardman | thp: I'll ask in #pyside | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi lardman, long time no see :-9 | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | got to leave, some new N900 owner and future Neo900 owner asked for a personal interview ;-) | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the pub next door | 00:26 |
| lardman | hey DocScrutinizer05, yeah sorry has been busy, will have to catch up | 00:27 |
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| lardman | enjoy the pub! :) | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will do | 00:29 |
| * lardman will try to make sure he's back online next week | 00:30 | |
| thp | lardman: pong | 00:33 |
| lardman | hey thp | 00:35 |
| lardman | I wanted to ask about pyside under Android | 00:35 |
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| lardman | not sure whether this is now in the past for you - I see your recommendation to look at M4rtinK's page (who just quit, who'd have thought ;)) | 00:37 |
| lardman | I'm interested in a python 3.x (3) version, and was wondering if there's a reason no-one's produced one yet | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe lack of intwerest? | 00:39 |
| lardman | hey, you should be concentrating on the bar! | 00:39 |
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| lardman | but yeah, perhaps, I just wanted to see whether I'd be wasting my time/work out what I'm getting into | 00:39 |
| lardman | I've decided to move from MATLAB to Python at work, and it would be good to be able to run the same(ish) code on my desktop and Android tablet | 00:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It seems Doc has left his ~2 of workstation... | 00:41 |
| lardman | he's probably trying to decide which local ale to buy :) | 00:43 |
| kerio | lardman: compile python, run python | 00:43 |
| kerio | i guess | 00:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, I fancy a beer but must resist until tomorrow | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sixwheeledbeast: indeed | 00:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | No need to wonder any more ;) | 00:47 |
| lardman | kerio: yeah, but you have to cross-compile for Android anyway, and not sure re pyside | 00:49 |
| lardman | I'm hopeful that's the case though, in which case I'll crack on | 00:49 |
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| HtheB | ~seen robbiethe1st | 01:10 |
| infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@50-52-17-221.cral.id.frontiernet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 6m 45s ago, saying: 'I haven't used it myself, but I know a number of people who use cssu with backupmenu; backupmenu works at a very low level'. | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hah, beer and internet, nice | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sid wants to help with FPTF | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | after 4 years of maemo abstinence, he got fed up with anything less | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 01:35 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:35 |
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| HtheB_ | hey aap | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | great, they're killing us here, with dioxin and vinyl cloride | 02:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 searches for his gas mask | 02:18 | |
| HtheB_ | DocScrutinizer05: just admit it, you just farted | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://leitstelle-nuernberg.de/einsaetze-stadt-nuernberg/2488-großbrand-in-nürnberger-industriegebiet.html | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's annoying that 6h after the fire started, you still think you may suffocate when you open the window | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lots of plastic and other shit burning, furniture warehouse | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not even filtering the air through cigarettes helps | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they informed the residents VIA RADIO BROADCAST not to leave their homes and keep windows closed. *great* | 02:31 |
| nox- | :( | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like "duck and cover", and "watch the public blackboard at your local market place!" | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.nordbayern.de/nuernberger-nachrichten | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "30,000 telephones burning" EH? | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not furniture, forwarding agency | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the phones are for landline ;-P | 02:42 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 thinks sufficient amonts of orange juice deluted with vodka might help to remedy the toxic fumes | 02:43 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo hot is <reply> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373878#post1373878 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1373762#post1373762 | 02:47 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no more ice cubes :-S | 03:15 |
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| Macer | hm | 07:15 |
| Macer | why does the scrolling on the n900 seem so flakey? | 07:15 |
| Macer | like sometimes it will go the wrong way | 07:15 |
| Macer | or sometimes it will fly upward off a simple swipe | 07:15 |
| Macer | is there a way to adjust that sensitivity? | 07:15 |
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| Macer | the strangest is the slight delay from drag to move | 07:17 |
| Macer | it almost takes 2s for the n900 to realize it has been asked to scroll by dragging the screen | 07:17 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not entirely sure how the vodka is supposed to help | 09:59 |
| kerio | but whatever works for you | 09:59 |
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| sledges | happy programmers' day everybuddy! | 12:09 |
| Macer | programmers day? | 12:29 |
| sledges | Macer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmers'_Day | 12:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Macer; I don't see that | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | Although my firefox phone does that | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the vodka been untouched since no ice cubes | 13:28 |
| kerio | you should've made ice cubes out of vodka | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to, it doesn't work | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my vodka is a decent one that simply doesn't freeze in standard freezers | 14:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waves a last farewell to voyager1 | 14:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I actually froze vodka with less RPM in my freezer, but not this 100proof stuff | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even with standard 86proof (43%) vodka you don't get solid ice cubes but only something like frappe´ | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shake bottle to turn it into sth of ketchup viscosity | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 50% only gets oily | 14:28 |
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| oooaaaooo | hi guys | 14:30 |
| oooaaaooo | i am a new n900 user | 14:30 |
| oooaaaooo | how do i change the update check frequency in HAM? | 14:30 |
| oooaaaooo | everytime i open HAM it checks for an update which is VERY annoying | 14:31 |
| oooaaaooo | in fact i think everytime i navigate between menus in HAM it checks | 14:31 |
| joga | HAM is pretty annoying... there was some file where you can specify the update interval but I forget where, used it once to disable it altogether | 14:32 |
| joga | though it's the background check for updates, doesn't affect behavior of HAM and the updating between transitions I think | 14:33 |
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| wnd | It would help with apt if repository/Packages* would not list gazillion versions for each package. For example, kernel-power has three versions in extras/fremantle-1.3/free alone, and on my installation apt-cache policy lists five versions. | 15:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | joga: right | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wnd: check the package file for mp-fremantle* | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll have a lot of LULZ | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's ~100k | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | listing all packages of all versions since PR1.0 | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same for CSSU | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you maybe should start a move for getting your "light" repo into official extras-* | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | would safe our environment and all our healtcare systems all over the world | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | save* | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991 prepared a repo with a packages.gz that lists *only* the latest package releases | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's ~10% of the original one | 15:14 |
| brolin_empey | Do I have any chance of ever obtaining a Nokia N950 ? | 15:15 |
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| brolin_empey | How many Nokia N950s exist? | 15:18 |
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| wnd | I too once played with the idea of creating a shadow respository that only hosts metadata and issues redirects for actual packages | 15:21 |
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| wnd | Back then I gave up the idea when I realised I'd have to resolve version dependencies to avoid breaking stuff. It should not have been be a big thing, but I was hopelessly busy with other things. | 15:26 |
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| wnd | and I'm sure there would've been other stuff to deal with, such as apt not following redirects... | 15:27 |
| wnd | I've never tried that, really | 15:27 |
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| Pali | brolin_empey: about 5000 on the whole world | 15:39 |
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| kerio | wnd: like debian.net does? | 15:58 |
| kerio | er, http.debian.net | 15:58 |
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| Sysaxed | uhh, I have aircrack-ng but no airmon-ng, why? I'm on thumb | 16:04 |
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| Sysaxed | anybody? | 16:19 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: no idea what it is | 16:23 |
| Macer | the scrolling (dragging screens) just seems off | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ETAB? | 16:23 |
| Macer | like i said. sometimes trying to move something down will make it go up lol | 16:23 |
| Sysaxed | 'apt-cache policy aircrack-ng' says that I have 1.1-maemo12 version installed, that's good. But where is my airmon-ng?? | 16:24 |
| oooaaaooo1 | i am a new n900 owner and am trying to install x11vnc | 16:24 |
| oooaaaooo1 | i have the extra repos enabled | 16:24 |
| oooaaaooo1 | but cant find it in HAM under all | 16:24 |
| oooaaaooo1 | can someone help me | 16:24 |
| Macer | oooaaaooo1: i'm pretty sure vncviewer is in extras | 16:25 |
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| Sysaxed | oooaaaooo1: x11vnc package exists for me, are you sure that all of the repos are enabled? | 16:25 |
| Sysaxed | and that update has finished successfully? | 16:25 |
| Macer | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ | 16:25 |
| oooaaaooo1 | Sysaxed: well it finished yesterday | 16:26 |
| oooaaaooo1 | Sysaxed: its annoying now so i stop it | 16:26 |
| oooaaaooo1 | Sysaxed: do you mean i have to pull in metadata everytime? | 16:26 |
| Sysaxed | oooaaaooo1: not every time, but do it again | 16:27 |
| Sysaxed | if your repos are set up correctly then it is the only reason | 16:27 |
| oooaaaooo1 | Sysaxed: its soooooo annoying | 16:28 |
| Sysaxed | oooaaaooo1: but how could it know that package 'x11vnc' exists? | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 16:28 |
| infobot | i guess pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 16:28 |
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| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: that page wont help apt-get to see if the package really exists :D | 16:29 |
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| oooaaaooo | Sysaxed: yesterday? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pff | 16:29 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, could you be so kind to help me? | 16:29 |
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| Sysaxed | I have aircrack-ng installed but there is no airmon-ng on my system | 16:29 |
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| Sysaxed | no airodump as well | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think airmon exists on N900 | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | airodump though should | 16:30 |
| Sysaxed | oooaaaooo: maybe it didn't make it till the end? | 16:30 |
| oooaaaooo | Sysaxed: alright how do i know its made it? | 16:30 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: there are lots of videos with people using airmon | 16:30 |
| Sysaxed | also this page http://maemo.org/packages/view/aircrack-ng/ says that it contains everything | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it will do this | 16:31 |
| Sysaxed | oooaaaooo: you can try 'apt-get update' manually | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tabtab http://privatepaste.com/5573e09443 | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | need policy? | 16:33 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: "aircrack-ng airdecap-ng airdecloak-ng airolib-ng" for me | 16:33 |
| Sysaxed | apt-cache policy aircrack-ng says "Installed: 1.1-maemo12" | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 1.1-maemo12 | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *** 1.1-maemo12 0 | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 16:35 |
| Sysaxed | any suggestions? apt-get install --reinstall aircrack-ng ? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not | 16:35 |
| oooaaaooo | DocScrutinizer05: is apt-get update safe ? | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | update? SURE | 16:35 |
| kerio | Sysaxed: maybe there's just no airmon-ng in that package | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | upGRade is NOT | 16:35 |
| kerio | dpkg -L aircrack-ng | 16:35 |
| kerio | it'll list every file in the package | 16:36 |
| oooaaaooo | DocScrutinizer05: gitcha | 16:36 |
| oooaaaooo | gotcha | 16:36 |
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| Sysaxed | kerio: /opt/maemo/usr/sbin/airmon-ng | 16:36 |
| kerio | and that's it? | 16:36 |
| Sysaxed | kerio: which means that it simply didn't get to PATH yet? | 16:36 |
| Sysaxed | reboot? | 16:36 |
| kerio | oh | 16:37 |
| kerio | mh | 16:37 |
| kerio | just restart the shell maybe? | 16:37 |
| kerio | i assume there's symlinks in /usr/sbin | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/8073ac396e | 16:37 |
| kerio | ...also, are you running it as root? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | auto-optify | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reboot | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ! | 16:37 |
| Sysaxed | kerio: no, not as root | 16:37 |
| Sysaxed | OH... root... | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 16:38 |
| kerio | sbin isn't in user's default path | 16:38 |
| Sysaxed | whoops... | 16:38 |
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| Sysaxed | yeah, root... | 16:39 |
| Sysaxed | that was noobish :D | 16:39 |
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| Sysaxed | thanks | 16:39 |
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| kerio | o/ | 16:40 |
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| oooaaaooo | just out of curiosity how often are the repos updated? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every time some new package gets promoted to one of them | 16:46 |
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| oooaaaooo | DocScrutinizer05: and if nothing new is added does that mean apt-get still pulls in and overrides the existing metadata? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually not, since the datestamp in Packages.gz is unchanged then | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so it just pulls the Packages.gz metadata from server and finds that datestamp didn't change | 16:48 |
| oooaaaooo | DocScrutinizer05: so its date stamp and not a checksum or anything | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not a checksum done on N900 | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know exactly what is used, seems to be a standard http thing | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your browser does all same | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and uses cache when content supposedly not changed | 16:50 |
| oooaaaooo | im just thinking if it was a checksum then it could be calculated at each update and everytime update is run it would only have to compare checksum which is time independant | 16:50 |
| oooaaaooo | obviously would fail if repos are frequenctly updated | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what it does, basically | 16:51 |
| oooaaaooo | o ok | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a bug in HAM maybe, around that feature. I investigated some years ago and found they do some "magic" there to avoid updating each time you installed a package or whatever, comparing age of local cache to some 2h(?) threshold | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc there *might* be some issue with the local cached version written to /x/y/A/pkg.gz but checked for age of /x/y/a/pkg.gz, or sth like that | 16:55 |
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| oooaaaooo | i seeeeee | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, most of the time HAM is burning is not for download of packages.gz but for building the internal data structures (trees? lists?) and loading all the icons for the loooong list of all available packages | 16:57 |
| oooaaaooo | no its always saying checking for updates, when i navigate between menus | 16:57 |
| oooaaaooo | in ham | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the progress bar? | 16:58 |
| oooaaaooo | yeah | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's bad | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody should investigate and fix that | 16:59 |
| kerio | problem #1: it's ham | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/it's ham/I don't like HAM" | 17:00 |
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| oooaaaooo | this isnt really a maemo question but im used to searching with aptitude and since my n900 doesnt have aptitude can i search packages using apt-get? | 17:01 |
| kerio | no, but you can search packages with apt-cache | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search | 17:02 |
| oooaaaooo | would it be alright to apt-get install? | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually yes, but duck and cover when not | 17:02 |
| oooaaaooo | what should i watch out for | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not easy to answer | 17:03 |
| oooaaaooo | ok | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally if the package is specific for maemo | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | debian packages that just got ported usually are safe | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except some of them lack optification | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some specific maemo stuff though is depending/relying on HAM properties that are not available via apt | 17:04 |
| oooaaaooo | apt-cache search shows x11vnc | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like pop-up of hildon desktop based requesters etc | 17:05 |
| oooaaaooo | ok so debian/general bash stuff should be ok | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g sshd pops up a requester for root password when installed via HAM. Dunno what it does when you install via apt-get | 17:06 |
| kerio | it pops up a requester for root password :) | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some other packages might even change runlevel to suspend whole system, before they install | 17:07 |
| oooaaaooo | doh... failed to apt-get update because i had HAM running :s | 17:07 |
| oooaaaooo | start over padawan | 17:07 |
| oooaaaooo | :s | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, takes an additional 60s after closing HAM, until lockfile gets removed | 17:08 |
| kerio | not with cssu's ham | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 17:08 |
| oooaaaooo | so cssu uses another ham? | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has some bugfixes, yeah | 17:09 |
| oooaaaooo | nice | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and eventually might even come with specific CSSU related extensions | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IF SOMEBODY WOULD BOTHER to finaly implement that silly simple sh*t | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | instead of all the time bitching about nonsensical assumed "new repos" for handling optional stuff | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IF we'd go for new repos, we wouldn't even need any patches to HAM to handle optional | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the design/concept however been to use another group besides of "user" that you "hide" optional packages in | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thus optional packages just go to group "optional" instead of group "user" | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and HAM had to learn do handle CONFLICTS | 17:14 |
| * zammy is away: I'm busy | 17:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: please fix your auto-away. It's strongly deprecated! | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | goldenbot??? | 17:16 |
| oooaaaooo | nice vnc works | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: if you're a regular human user, answer immediately. Otherwise you will get banned as unsolicited bot | 17:16 |
| jaska | its some xchat fork (hexchat) | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ahh, ok | 17:17 |
| jaska | atleast ctcp version reply looks like it.. probably just a coincidence | 17:18 |
| jaska | about the email address | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe | 17:18 |
| zammy | hey | 17:19 |
| * zammy is away: I'm busy | 17:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | registered 22 weeks ago | 17:19 |
| * zammy is back (gone 00:00:03) | 17:19 | |
| zammy | what? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIx DAT! | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | switch off your auto-away notice! | 17:19 |
| zammy | because...? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because it's deprecated! and nobody gives a F* anyway | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If I want to know about you being busy, I check that on your nick in user list | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no need to spam the channel with [2013-09-13 16:19:16] * zammy is back (gone 00:00:03) | 17:21 |
| dos1 | IRC has better means for signaling being away, just use it instead of sending messages to the room | 17:22 |
| zammy | but I never tested this f* feature | 17:23 |
| zammy | are you able to forgive my little and singular test? | 17:23 |
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| zammy | can you? DocScrutinizer05 | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are freenode spamcheck bot bans you from network (k-line) when you send this post to more than one channel | 17:23 |
| zammy | do you think I can continue to join maemo channel? | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not angry at you, just please don't use "send auto-away notice" | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's really "dangerous" for you | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and annoying for everybody else | 17:25 |
| zammy | alright... if the freenode server bots kickban me, I will accept that and after recognizing the error I will fix BY MY SELF | 17:25 |
| zammy | thanks for any interest | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when freenode bot k-lines you, you need to send an email to freenode to get unbanned | 17:25 |
| zammy | I know | 17:25 |
| zammy | and never happened, some reason I suppose there is... | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also the user name goldenbot90@gmail.com is not the best start to make friends on IRC. Just saying | 17:27 |
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| divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: auto-away notice is deprecated? Was it ever "supported"? | 17:28 |
| divVerent | RFC 1459 already had AWAY | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, what is "supported"? | 17:28 |
| divVerent | I don't think something can be deprecated if it never was standard to begin with :) | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sending automated posts to IRC channels always been kind of deprecated | 17:29 |
| divVerent | to me deprecated means it's an old legacy and once made sense. These messages never did. | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict deprecate | 17:29 |
| zammy | and anyway it is not an auto-away notice | 17:29 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'deprecate' (1 of 4): express strong disapproval of; deplore. | 17:29 |
| zammy | just saying | 17:29 |
| divVerent | yes, it's a spam ;) | 17:29 |
| RST38h | ha | 17:29 |
| RST38h | ~dict defenestrate | 17:30 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'defenestrate' (2): \de*fen"es*trate\ (d[-e]*f[e^]n"[e^]s*tr[=a]t), v. t. to throw (something or someone) out of a window. [PJC] ;; throw through or out of the window; "The rebels stormed the palace and defenestrated the President". | 17:30 |
| divVerent | hehe, by that definition, you can introduce an API and deprecate it at the same time :) | 17:30 |
| dos1 | fun, I'd agree with meaning from divVerent | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Here is a more appropriate word | 17:30 |
| zammy | spam is a repetition of the same action I think, don't you | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~autoaway | 17:30 |
| infobot | somebody said autoaway was We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. So please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. In BX, /set auto_away off. /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying. | 17:30 |
| divVerent | zammy: yes | 17:30 |
| divVerent | once to every channel | 17:30 |
| dos1 | zammy: actually, no | 17:30 |
| divVerent | from server's view that is a repetition, thus spam | 17:31 |
| dos1 | reperition is "flood" | 17:31 |
| Veggen | divverent: of course you can. But any standard that are too much of a moving target will not be widely implemented. | 17:31 |
| divVerent | but yes | 17:31 |
| divVerent | spam by its own definition is an unsolicited message | 17:31 |
| oooaaaooo | what does optified mean./ | 17:31 |
| divVerent | moved to /opt (partially or whole) | 17:31 |
| divVerent | to save space on / | 17:31 |
| * RST38h wonders what made respectable public discuss such an arcane linguistic issue | 17:31 | |
| dos1 | :) | 17:31 |
| RST38h | Who the fuck cares if repeating the same message "spam" or "flood"? | 17:32 |
| oooaaaooo | divVerent: so / is on system & /opt is on sd? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 17:32 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: trolls | 17:32 |
| zammy | unsolicited means also automatation stuff | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 17:32 |
| divVerent | oooaaaooo: on emmc | 17:32 |
| zammy | well someone presumed that was an automation stuff | 17:32 |
| divVerent | BTW, the worst thing ever you can do on IRC is doing automated replies to NOTICE | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: take it to #linguistics | 17:33 |
| zammy | that's the fault | 17:33 |
| oooaaaooo | divVerent: so /opt is on mmc | 17:33 |
| divVerent | and I know most nickserv scripts do that | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooaaaooo: yep | 17:33 |
| Veggen | In the old days, one should always reply with a NOTICE if one had an automated reply, too. | 17:33 |
| Veggen | I think that one is widely ignored nowadays. | 17:34 |
| divVerent | sort of, yes | 17:34 |
| divVerent | unless your response is supposed to trigger a reply | 17:34 |
| zammy | you are involving me into lazy and dirty, more drunky rather than the rest SPEECHES | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Veggen: for some reason, since [notice] gets ignored by other bots | 17:34 |
| divVerent | so technically some nickserv related messages should be PRIVMSG, not NOTICE :P | 17:34 |
| divVerent | NO bot is ever supposed to reply to NOTICE :P | 17:34 |
| divVerent | it's a MUST in the RFC | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 17:35 |
| divVerent | wait, THIS I didn't know | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* know that | 17:35 |
| divVerent | not even the IRC server may respond to a NOTICE | 17:35 |
| divVerent | ah, it indeed does that right :P | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bots are supposed to send NOTICE only, so no endless loops may happen | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bots in this context is slightly different definition to what e.g. infobot does | 17:36 |
| divVerent | that was never explicitly written down... for a good reason | 17:36 |
| divVerent | as there can be more interactive bots | 17:36 |
| divVerent | e.g. the typical nickserv dialogue | 17:37 |
| divVerent | which however ended up being done the wrong way round :( | 17:37 |
| oooaaaooo | how do i display all my desktops at once? you know like a birds eye view? | 17:37 |
| oooaaaooo | on n900 | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not at all | 17:37 |
| oooaaaooo | like gnome i believe its ctrl + down | 17:37 |
| zammy | well I continue to watch porn on my n900 | 17:37 |
| divVerent | hehe, infobot... SHOULDN't this one technically send all replies by NOTICE? | 17:37 |
| divVerent | (as notice to the channel, then) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zammy: seems you're in a trolly mood, eh? | 17:38 |
| divVerent | if only clients handled this the right way :P | 17:38 |
| zammy | oh really? | 17:38 |
| zammy | don't you? | 17:38 |
| Veggen | There was another unwritten rule that bots should never speak in public. | 17:38 |
| Veggen | in the old days. | 17:38 |
| zammy | ancient eras? | 17:38 |
| divVerent | Veggen: yes. | 17:38 |
| divVerent | Veggen: but bots today do that. | 17:39 |
| Veggen | I see the advantage of having it do so, but if you wanted it, you could just as well cut&paste the answer yourself. | 17:39 |
| divVerent | BTW, if you are in a warez xdcc channel... should all the bots really use PRIVMSG to spam the channel every few sec? | 17:39 |
| Veggen | divvergent: I know. | 17:39 |
| divVerent | I also wrote a kind of IRC bot that REALLY has to use PRIVMSG for what it does :P | 17:39 |
| divVerent | it is a two-way relay bot between a game server and IRC | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Veggen: hehe I like that nick typo ;-P | 17:40 |
| divVerent | where is convVergent? | 17:40 |
| divVerent | and detTergent? | 17:40 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: what irc client do you use? | 17:40 |
| divVerent | anyway, the N900 doesn't support porn. I checked the data sheet by Nokia, porn isn't mentioned anywhere. | 17:41 |
| Veggen | ;) | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Konversation on PC, xchat on maemo | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, we evidently got Friday convo in here ;-P | 17:41 |
| Sysaxed | Friday convo? | 17:41 |
| jaska | it does sound fridayish | 17:41 |
| divVerent | if you can view porn on the N900, that is an accidental fearture and not supported by Nokia. Maybe gets fixed in next release. | 17:42 |
| divVerent | Friday Friday, gotta get down on Friday-ish? | 17:42 |
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| divVerent | THAT silenced the channel. | 17:44 |
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| Sysaxed | who the hell invented WPS? Such an asshole. | 17:45 |
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| Sysaxed | From wikipedia: Wi-Fi Protected Setup (WPS; originally Wi-Fi Simple Config) is a computing standard that attempts to allow easy establishment of a secure wireless home network. | 17:45 |
| divVerent | the NSA, why? | 17:46 |
| Sysaxed | yeah, even if you don't have the password | 17:46 |
| Sysaxed | easy as pie | 17:46 |
| divVerent | it means that the attacker only has to wait for someone to press the button | 17:46 |
| dos1 | nope | 17:46 |
| Sysaxed | nope, attacker has to wait for 5 hours | 17:46 |
| Sysaxed | and that's all | 17:46 |
| dos1 | there's a flaw in password handling | 17:47 |
| divVerent | rumor has it, the NSA orders small children to press these WPS buttons randomly for them. | 17:47 |
| divVerent | dos1: depends on the kind of WPS :) | 17:47 |
| dos1 | you can bruteforce it in few hours | 17:47 |
| divVerent | the one I know from the routers common here only have WPS active when the button was recently pressed | 17:47 |
| Sysaxed | why would NSA need access to wireless routers? What for? | 17:47 |
| divVerent | Sysaxed: you know, access to the ISPs costs money :P | 17:47 |
| dos1 | divVerent: and on some routers that's true even if you have password disabled and rely only on button :P | 17:47 |
| divVerent | dos1: haha, didn't know that | 17:47 |
| divVerent | but well | 17:47 |
| divVerent | I always turn WPS off anyway | 17:47 |
| divVerent | I am too stupid to use it anyway | 17:48 |
| Sysaxed | divVerent: forcing hardware manufactures to include shitty WPS should cost something as well | 17:48 |
| Sysaxed | divVerent: did you know that turning it off usually doesn't help? | 17:48 |
| divVerent | I find it a lot easier to just set up a WPA supplicant config file than trying to figure out how to do WPS with that | 17:48 |
| divVerent | :) | 17:48 |
| divVerent | Sysaxed: that's the trick, it's not forced | 17:48 |
| divVerent | Sysaxed: it should | 17:48 |
| divVerent | my Android phone shows WPS enabled networks twice in the list' | 17:49 |
| divVerent | when I turn off WPS, it only shows up once | 17:49 |
| divVerent | so if the router isn't totally stupid, it should honor that too | 17:49 |
| Sysaxed | divVerent: sometimes it doesn't. Shows as "wps is locked" but router still replies to bruteforcing | 17:49 |
| divVerent | (when receiving, that is) | 17:49 |
| divVerent | well, yes, there ARE totally stupid routers, too | 17:49 |
| dos1 | yeah, there are some routers that just lock wps instead of turning it off | 17:49 |
| dos1 | but that's not that common | 17:49 |
| divVerent | but anyway, if anyone wants to get into my WLAN, go ahead | 17:50 |
| divVerent | but I won't delete my .ssh/known_hosts for you | 17:50 |
| divVerent | if I get this SSH warning, I take it serious :) | 17:50 |
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| Sysaxed | divVerent: how would that save you from arp injection? | 17:50 |
| divVerent | and anything else is unencrypted anyway | 17:50 |
| divVerent | Sysaxed: it would not | 17:50 |
| divVerent | but internet traffic is public ANYWAY | 17:51 |
| Sysaxed | what about your passwords? :) | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my WLAN is *open* | 17:51 |
| divVerent | depends on which | 17:51 |
| divVerent | I use different everywhere | 17:51 |
| divVerent | if I use SSL, I know anyone with enough resources (i.e. money) can intercept that | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i'm not silly enough to use WLAN when I can use proper cat5 | 17:51 |
| divVerent | all it takes is paying someone to get a root certificate | 17:52 |
| Sysaxed | does anybody know if AP isolation solves the problem with arp injection? | 17:52 |
| divVerent | why does it even matter | 17:52 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: that doesn't save you from arp injection as well | 17:52 |
| divVerent | DocScrutinizer05: in my case, it's WLAN only so there's one less wire for my baby son to pull | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 17:52 |
| divVerent | but anyway | 17:53 |
| divVerent | arp injection is not a problem to begin with | 17:53 |
| divVerent | the reason why my WLAN is password protected is merely so it's less likely I get nasty lawyer letters | 17:53 |
| Sysaxed | tell that to my neighbors | 17:53 |
| divVerent | I know if anyone really wants to get in, they can | 17:54 |
| divVerent | but Joe P2P will just pick someone else's open WLAN then | 17:54 |
| divVerent | there is one in my neighborhood | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | divVerent: I log each MAC that logs in. No more I can do | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if they track some P2P down to my IP, I hand them the list of MAC that used my WLAN, and they are free to hunt those users | 17:55 |
| LinuxCode | they tried all the legal threats here | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm allowed to share my WLAN, and there's no obligation to block certain usage | 17:56 |
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| LinuxCode | now the guy is no longr a lawyer | 17:56 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 17:56 |
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| LinuxCode | the guy who sent letters | 17:56 |
| Sysaxed | DocScrutinizer05: how could they know that it is not your mac? | 17:56 |
| Sysaxed | but ok, you're right | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I simply don't care if they know or not | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | THEY have to prove ME that *I* did sharing or other "crime" | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | filesharing that is, NOT wlan sharing | 17:57 |
| LinuxCode | why tehy said in the UK, dont respond to such letters | 17:58 |
| LinuxCode | then that idiot decided to take somebody to court, and the whole house of cards collapsed | 17:58 |
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| LinuxCode | then he got struck off as a lawyer | 17:58 |
| LinuxCode | and his practice went bust lol | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if they want to, I rent them a room in my house where two dudes with trenchcoat and huge hat can wait all day and all night monitoring my WLAN for P2P guests logging in | 17:59 |
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| LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, haha | 17:59 |
| LinuxCode | at excessive rates, no doubt | 17:59 |
| LinuxCode | like some guy here did with nuisance phone calls | 17:59 |
| LinuxCode | got himself a 08xx number, and got paid by marketing companies | 18:00 |
| LinuxCode | who kept ringing up | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 09xxx | 18:00 |
| LinuxCode | made £300 in the first 6 months | 18:00 |
| LinuxCode | he just kept talking to them | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 08 is supposed to be free of charge | 18:00 |
| LinuxCode | not 087x | 18:00 |
| Sysaxed | are they stupid enough to call on that number? | 18:01 |
| LinuxCode | Sysaxed, absolutely | 18:01 |
| Sysaxed | you can identify it just by looking on it | 18:01 |
| LinuxCode | all automated | 18:01 |
| LinuxCode | they buy the numbers in the phone book and dial | 18:01 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 18:01 |
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| LinuxCode | sometimes illegally , if you are registered with the TPS | 18:02 |
| LinuxCode | in the UK, anyway | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for that I'd even go publish my number in phonebook ;-P | 18:02 |
| * LinuxCode is registered, and still gets 10 calls a week | 18:02 | |
| LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, innit | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no unsolicited phonecalls at all here | 18:02 |
| LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, you based in the UK ? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, D | 18:02 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 18:02 |
| Sysaxed | what if I am in another country? Would they pay for that huge bill? | 18:03 |
| LinuxCode | fortunately for you, Indians dont speak german | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang 17:03 | 18:03 |
| LinuxCode | Sysaxed, if you could get BT or another compnay to list your number | 18:03 |
| LinuxCode | I am sure they would | 18:03 |
| LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, indeed | 18:03 |
| LinuxCode | time flying by quickly today | 18:04 |
| Sysaxed | not just today... | 18:04 |
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| Sysaxed | yesterday I was like "wtf? Friday tomorrow? But friday was yesterday" | 18:04 |
| LinuxCode | getting darker again | 18:05 |
| LinuxCode | probably why | 18:05 |
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| oooaaaooo | how do i connect to a static(not dhcp) connection in n900? | 18:05 |
| Sysaxed | oooaaaooo: ifconfig? | 18:05 |
| Sysaxed | I cannot believe that. After bruteforcing 7000 wps pins that router has finally freaked out. | 18:07 |
| LinuxCode | oooaaaooo, Settings> Internet Connections>New | 18:07 |
| Sysaxed | and now, when I'm just 700 away from cracking it, it simply doesn't respond anymore | 18:07 |
| LinuxCode | Sysaxed, lol | 18:07 |
| LinuxCode | fail2ban for wlan ? | 18:07 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 18:07 |
| Sysaxed | I have tried changing my mac, I've even switched to another device | 18:08 |
| Sysaxed | that's not fair. | 18:09 |
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| oooaaaooo | LinuxCode: i have done that but all i get is "finish" & not an actual connect option | 18:14 |
| LinuxCode | top task bar click on that | 18:14 |
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| LinuxCode | or tap rather | 18:15 |
| oooaaaooo | and | 18:17 |
| oooaaaooo | ? | 18:17 |
| oooaaaooo | it should show the one i just added? | 18:17 |
| oooaaaooo | im rebooting | 18:18 |
| oooaaaooo | it keeps asking for a pass and then failing | 18:18 |
| oooaaaooo | eventhough i already defined the pass in the settings menu | 18:18 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4210413&cid=44840495 | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: HAH! | 19:02 |
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| HtheB | guys i need help to make a choice | 19:12 |
| HtheB | i need to choose from N9 16GB or Lumia 920 | 19:14 |
| sledges | N9 | 19:14 |
| HtheB | but I already got a N950 | 19:14 |
| sledges | N9 | 19:14 |
| * sledges doesn't feel impartial | 19:14 | |
| HtheB | i wont use any of those... | 19:14 |
| HtheB | I want to sell it | 19:14 |
| oooaaaooo | l | 19:14 |
| HtheB | which one would sell for a higher price? | 19:14 |
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| sledges | ok, sell N9 to me then | 19:15 |
| sledges | :))) | 19:15 |
| HtheB | nokia promised me to send me a N9 64GB, but they told me now that they only have 16GB :/ | 19:15 |
| HtheB | sledges, how much u want to pay for it? | 19:16 |
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| HtheB | (i had some warranty issues with my N900, thats why they showed me those options) | 19:16 |
| HtheB | ? | 19:17 |
| sledges | ebay gives ~£120 | 19:18 |
| sledges | I'd give you £80 | 19:18 |
| HtheB | hmm.. lumia 920 still goes around for €250 - €300 | 19:19 |
| HtheB | guess it's better to pick the 920 then | 19:19 |
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| * sledges cheers! | 19:19 | |
| sledges | :D | 19:19 |
| dos1 | free 300 EUR | 19:20 |
| dos1 | that means Neo900 will only cost 400 EUR to you! :) | 19:20 |
| HtheB | i want a laptop | 19:21 |
| HtheB | with GTX780M | 19:21 |
| HtheB | 16GB Ram | 19:21 |
| HtheB | 1TB HDD 128GB SSD | 19:22 |
| bef0rd | and windows xp | 19:22 |
| HtheB | lol | 19:22 |
| HtheB | it is around €1700 | 19:23 |
| bef0rd | what CPU? | 19:23 |
| HtheB | intel i7 4700QM | 19:25 |
| bef0rd | nice specs but quite expensive | 19:26 |
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| ruskie | how much will just the board cost... | 19:29 |
| ruskie | for the neo900 | 19:29 |
| dos1 | probably something like 100-150 EUR less that complete device | 19:30 |
| dos1 | than* | 19:30 |
| ruskie | a tad to much | 19:30 |
| ruskie | though might be nice\ | 19:30 |
| HtheB | bef0rd, can find a cheaper one with those specs? | 19:31 |
| dos1 | yeah, it's going to be pricey and there's not so much we can do about it | 19:31 |
| HtheB | jolla ftw then | 19:32 |
| dos1 | but it doesn't mean it won't be worth it ;) | 19:32 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1374055&postcount=424 :) | 19:33 |
| ruskie | if they actually get a board out I might invest in getting one | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: :-) | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ruskie: the point is we will get out boards when enough customers preorder | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can't finance a 200 boards from our coffee kitty | 19:37 |
| ruskie | yeah I understand that | 19:37 |
| bef0rd | HtheB: probably no :P | 19:38 |
| ruskie | but would like to see stuff running with a n900 being upgraded to this first before I would commit to anything like that | 19:38 |
| ruskie | and of course how difficult such an upgrade would be for a normal user | 19:38 |
| HtheB | :p | 19:38 |
| ruskie | not that I count myself as a normal user | 19:39 |
| bef0rd | HtheB: ssd is expensive, that alone is around 300/400 usd | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ruskie: you failed to read attentively, we will sell complete devices. You don't need to do any DIY | 19:40 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer05, but I want to do DIY | 19:40 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer05, I have a n900 I want to replace it's innards | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to do that :-) | 19:40 |
| HtheB | bef0rd, check this | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ruskie: we're going to offer that as an option | 19:41 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer05, but yeah I'd still like to see how involved it is and of course the cost of just the board | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ruskie: refer to GTA04 tutorials and videos and manuals about "how difficult the swap will be" | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bare board will be ~100EUR less than complete device | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +-50 | 19:43 |
| ruskie | and it will just slot into the existing screen and all? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:43 |
| ruskie | so the screen is that cheap then? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll have to do a *tiny* revork for new AB-USB receptacle | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screens are around 30EUR | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in single quantities | 19:44 |
| ruskie | ahh | 19:44 |
| ruskie | thought they were more | 19:44 |
| dos1 | bef0rd: 300/400 usd for 128GB ssd? | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we didn't do in-depth evaluation yet | 19:45 |
| bef0rd | dos1: 1TB ssd | 19:45 |
| bef0rd | ohh I read it wrong, its 1TB with 128gb ssd | 19:45 |
| dos1 | yup | 19:45 |
| ruskie | hmm I'll see once I have 700eur available | 19:45 |
| bef0rd | I'm guessing it's hybrid or two disks | 19:45 |
| dos1 | I got 128GB Vertex 4 for 400, but PLN, not USD :P | 19:46 |
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| HtheB | www.medion.com/nl/prod/MEDION+ERAZER+X7827+laptop/30015844A1 | 19:50 |
| ruskie | well voted on the pool | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 19:54 |
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| HtheB | bef0rd, check that link | 19:57 |
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| ruskie | with 600 as a target for me(same as the initial n900 cost really) | 19:57 |
| dos1 | 600 for a board, or a complete device? | 19:58 |
| ruskie | complete | 19:58 |
| bef0rd | HtheB: nice, also has bluray and usb3 | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, thanks anyway | 20:02 |
| ruskie | atleast it's interest | 20:02 |
| ruskie | I certainly see 300 and 400 eur as unreasonable for a full device | 20:02 |
| ruskie | 500 is what I'd want to pay and 700 is the upper limit | 20:03 |
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| ruskie | are there even 100k n900 in the wild? | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not anymore | 20:11 |
| ioq2 | so | 20:14 |
| ioq2 | where are we in terms of the pricing of neo900 | 20:14 |
| ioq2 | how much is a single unit expected to cost now? | 20:15 |
| ioq2 | is it still ~700 euros. | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we *hope* we can go down that much | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | realistically I had to say "800" right now, but we hope to get more economic offers for buying parts in 200 qty than they are offered at single qty | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e're still in the *very* early project setup phase right now | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we* | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this weekend a device will move to Nikolaus (GoDeliCo) to disassemble it and check basic feasibility regarding space we can juggle with etc | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only if we *know* what we're talking about regarding "we _can_ do that, and that's the way _how_..." we will start evaluation of BOM cost down to the penny, and start on designing prototypes and find funding for _building_ prototypes | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think that's the only honest and fair approach | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right now we're still in the product requirement specifying phase, checking what new stuff we need to get (compared to GTA04) and what we can keep like it been on GTA04 | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and your input at | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is incredibly valuable and important to us during that phase | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mind you, the whole project is a mere 3 weeks old now | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and we all have a RL and a real job besides this facy little project ;-) | 20:25 |
| dos1 | what I like in GTA04 and this project is that no one is hyping it out and promising pies in the sky | 20:27 |
| dos1 | instead we get realistic info from day one | 20:27 |
| dos1 | (which is probably not so good when it comes to marketing etc. ;]) | 20:28 |
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| ioq2 | hmmmm | 20:31 |
| ioq2 | for me its so expensive :( | 20:31 |
| ioq2 | n900 is working perfect, although i have to soemtimes give it a temporary bursts of overclocking to do things quick | 20:32 |
| ioq2 | and the swap is in the sdcard | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me too, but it's not us who ask for the money, to buy us a golden slip | 20:32 |
| ioq2 | i was thinking that | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas hw IS expensive when built in small batches | 20:33 |
| ioq2 | there are certain powerful boards out there with a9 chips and dual cores, around $200 or less i think | 20:33 |
| ioq2 | i am trying to find a guide to let me build a tablet, i cud buy a screen and install linux on it. | 20:34 |
| ioq2 | <33 | 20:34 |
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| Pali | not tested yet | 22:09 |
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