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| wotan147 | people I try to compile a QT application in command line for maemo5 from ubuntu | 00:17 |
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| wotan147 | it says Could not find mkspecs for your QMAKESPEC(linux-g++-maemo5) after trying: | 00:17 |
| wotan147 | /usr/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs | 00:18 |
| wotan147 | the thing is that the Nokia SDK is not installed int this place but I don't know how to change this settings | 00:18 |
| wotan147 | anyone an idea? | 00:18 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: from translated comment about Neo900 on some russian site: | 01:31 |
| dos1 | "I want, I want, where to write so I got? the link to the maemo.org registration is closed: ( " | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he couldn't do much with his tmo registration either | 01:33 |
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| dos1 | http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=37838 | 01:34 |
| dos1 | 114 comments | 01:35 |
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| dos1 | of course most of them flaming about "why not SGS/Android" or N900/Linux phones in general | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as usual | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you give them a pimped up VW beetle, they ask "why not a rolls royce" | 01:38 |
| dos1 | I wonder about all those negative opinions about N900s stability as a daily phone | 01:38 |
| dos1 | they make me want to shout "try using Freerunner instead!" :D | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, those are idiots who want a phone where you can mess with everything but nothing has any consequence | 01:39 |
| dos1 | right | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using N900 as a daily phone since, err 4 years now? And I never faced any reliability problems | 01:41 |
| dos1 | recently I noticed that almost all of most annoying sw bugs on my gta02 were in fact introduced by myself when I last played with the OS few months ago... | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usual | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and common | 01:42 |
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| dos1 | it smelled fishy that it lost date on every restart... I knew that RTC battery is borked, so I automaticaly attributed it to that | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and almost a familiar effect, though I don't want to start rants now | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, only when you remove the main battery | 01:44 |
| dos1 | yeah... now I realise that... after enabling hwclock.sh initscript :D | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the PCF50533 should power the cmos clock from main as long as available | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 01:45 |
| dos1 | I wonder why the hell I have disabled that at the first place | 01:45 |
| dos1 | I recall playing with bootchart and trying to speed up booting a bit... it might be that ;) | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | For me, "every restart" is once or twice a month | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: just make sure that a) it doesn't use adjfile and b) you don't call it on system shutdown | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: same here | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032# uptime | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 00:47 16 Tage 7:41 an, 0 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 0,11, 0,06, 0,01 | 01:47 |
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| dos1 | with lots of small annoying bugs like that, sometimes it was faster to just reboot when I actually wanted to use a phone :P | 01:49 |
| dos1 | most of them were either created by me, or already fixed for a long time, but for some reason I had versions without fixes | 01:50 |
| dos1 | for last few days, since I finally took care of it, it's been pretty stable | 01:51 |
| ShadowJK | If you want slow, I just obtained a firefoxos phone ;-) | 01:52 |
| dos1 | I have a Freerunner | 01:52 |
| dos1 | I don't think you can beat that :) | 01:52 |
| dos1 | well, maybe if you put firefox os ON freerunner... | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask microsoft, they offer a OS for every usecase that's always just enough to make the system slow | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | Actually, some websites are faster on the firefox phone, but for my usual morning breakfast routing "Read the news sites", it's way slower | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you get faster hardware, just ask them for an update | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | routine* | 01:54 |
| dos1 | but well... gta02 performance issues made openmoko distros to be amazingly fast on anything more modern | 01:55 |
| dos1 | on n900 SHR was booting in few seconds when I played with it :D | 01:55 |
| dos1 | and boot time dramatically improved even on gta02 since that... I wonder how (and if) it works now on N900 | 01:56 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | "Time to load news.bbc.co.uk" used to be a measure of performance I personally used | 01:57 |
| dos1 | does using links on gta02 count? :) | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | no :) | 01:59 |
| dos1 | i dunno if i have any other browser there right now :D | 01:59 |
| dos1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI | 02:01 |
| dos1 | good old times... | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually SHR is awesome, in a certain way | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now teach it to zeroclock and it might become usable ;-) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that suspend-to-ram nonsense been evil dark legacy from S3C2442 times | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even S3C2410 | 02:11 |
| dos1 | what would be needed to teach it that? just making sure that nothing is hogging cpu when idle? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err yup, basically. Plus a few kernel patches iirc | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOTICK one of them | 02:12 |
| dos1 | disabling suspend is just a one change in one config file | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you need to have a look at freq-governor | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and get the TI OMAP kernel patches | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though iirc larsc(?) said you're already using PM kernel | 02:14 |
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| ShadowJK | the s3c64xx datasheet atleast makes it look like a chip not very suitable for cellphones | 02:16 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: current meta-smartphone has this one: https://github.com/shr-distribution/linux/tree/nokia900/2.6.37/57.1 | 02:17 |
| dos1 | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y | 02:18 |
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| dos1 | same for gta04 (om-gta04/3.4/master branch) | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uname? PM? | 02:21 |
| dos1 | dunno how to check that without the devices | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | grep your #om-devel chanlog | 02:23 |
| dos1 | "see PM", "check PM", "you should PM me" :) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can you search regex? then maybe something like linux.*PM could help | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or GNU/Linux | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | armv7l | 02:28 |
| dos1 | Linux om-gta04 3.4.9 #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 13 00:07:03 CET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux | 02:28 |
| dos1 | Linux nokia900 2.6.37 #1 PREEMPT Tue Apr 3 10:48:32 CEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm absolutely sure somebody mentioned PM kernel, since I wondered if he meant MP | 02:29 |
| dos1 | I dunno, I don't know much about what was happening recently (something like past year), especially about n900 or gta04 | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just ask your kernel dudes | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope we'll reach the 300 votes this weekend | 02:34 |
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| dos1 | fix registration and you'll get some russian votes :D | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1372405&postcount=107 ? | 02:36 |
| dos1 | I've seen it, but people coming via links straight into neo900 thread probably haven't and won't | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 02:37 |
| dos1 | maybe put static page with link to it in place of register.php? :D | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I might fix the register.php to include a link to that post | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 02:38 |
| dos1 | ok, going to sleep, i'll try to research that kernel pm thingy tomorrow | 02:40 |
| dos1 | gn | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | done | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gn dos1 | 02:44 |
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| jon_y | hi, is there a way to not charge if connected by USB? | 04:03 |
| jon_y | my USB port doesn't have enough power | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop bme | 04:57 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: how? | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly... your usb port hasn't enough power? | 04:57 |
| jon_y | yeah, weird | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop bme; ;-) | 04:57 |
| jon_y | just type "stop bme"? | 04:57 |
| jon_y | I really have no idea where bme comes in | 04:57 |
| jon_y | ~bme | 04:57 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME | 04:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and don't forget to press <enter> ;-D | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, you probably should type "root" first | 04:58 |
| jon_y | ok :) | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start bem; #to revert | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err bme* | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/a8560d8961 | 04:59 |
| jon_y | cool it connected | 05:01 |
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| ShadowJK | jon_y, everything working out for you? | 05:16 |
| jon_y | ShadowJK: yes | 05:17 |
| jon_y | windows decided the primary route was the n900 usb-net and kicked me off the internet :( | 05:17 |
| ShadowJK | lol :) | 05:18 |
| jon_y | great, n900 thinks localtime is GMT-4 | 05:19 |
| jon_y | how do I change that? | 05:19 |
| jon_y | ShadowJK: any ideas? | 05:23 |
| ShadowJK | settings - date and time ? | 05:23 |
| jon_y | cannot set the timezone there | 05:24 |
| jon_y | the timezone option seem blacked out | 05:25 |
| ShadowJK | wtf | 05:26 |
| jon_y | ShadowJK: seems settable if I unselect "Update automatically" | 05:27 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 05:27 |
| jon_y | I wonder why you can't set the timezone if it is automatic? | 05:28 |
| * jon_y off for awhile | 05:29 | |
| ShadowJK | Presumably the timezone plus time gets set by oeprator in "automatic" mode | 05:29 |
| ShadowJK | I remember this happening when I went to sweden, the clock automagically switched timezones as I crossed the border | 05:29 |
| jon_y | I don't have a sim attached | 05:29 |
| jon_y | I guess that's why | 05:29 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, welll "update automatically" is totally useless for you then | 05:29 |
| jon_y | cool, nice to know it actually reads the sim operator data | 05:30 |
| jon_y | or whatever provider is in the area | 05:30 |
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| Macer | hello | 05:39 |
| Macer | looks like fb xmpp is totally borked heh | 05:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not as you crossed the boarder but the moment you roamed to a local GSM network | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GSM networks indeed usually send time and some extremely weird representation of timezone | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some do non-standard | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some do not send at all | 06:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how "update automatically" can even be set when no SIM present | 06:09 | |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, "cross border" is kinda fuzzy | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but actually "update automaticaly" is enabled even when no SIM | 06:10 |
| ShadowJK | Most of Haparanda (Sweden), including Ikea has excellent .fi cellphone operator signals :) | 06:10 |
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| ShadowJK | That place just weirds me out. It's like the exact reverse of where I live. | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: it doesn't need to read anything from SIM to set the time | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it reads the timestamp message from network | 06:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if timestamp is in BCC and unencrypted so every mobile could receive it, no matter which or if any SIM | 06:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: ever pondered using a 13 element yagi for GSM antenna? ;-P | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can do amazing things with it. Up to 32km distance from BTS | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can receive even more distant BTS, but "no signal" despite excellent signal level | 06:15 |
| ShadowJK | I ahvent considered such things :) | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Time Advance out of range | 06:15 |
| ShadowJK | In real life Ive had N900 do gprs at 20km range though | 06:16 |
| ShadowJK | My usual IRC idling used enormous amounts of energy :) | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* be lucky finding a BTS that has TA offset. So that TA=0 means you are N km away from BTS and that's the *minimum* distance you need to have to make a successful connection to such umbrella BTS | 06:17 |
| ShadowJK | It was out at sea | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, using a decent antenna can dramatically improve that | 06:17 |
| ShadowJK | The last inhabited islands before open sea :) | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yeah, offshore covering BTS sometimes might use TA offset | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on one channel, while another channel fills in the segment between BTS and start of outer zone | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB I have no insider knowledge about that stuff | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just concluding from reports about specification limits and exceptions | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know if you get TA=0 or TA=1 when you are 10m away from BTS | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I know one TA click are 550m | 06:21 |
| ShadowJK | That place was bloody amazing. My sister's parents' in law own the island.. There are thousands of tiny rocks all over the place when heading out towards the sea, closer to shore it's interlaced with small islands with people and houses on it waving and greeting you, but as you go further there's less and less inhabitation. Then out of the thousands of rocks sticking out of the sea,our pilot decides to break hard right and steer right between them, then slows | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | down, and navigates a narrow passage between cliffs | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | Snaking between rocks and underwater rocks, we arrive "inside" the island at a pier barely long enough for the speedboat :) | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | And I still have enough signal on N900 to IRC, win | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | It's a kind of cultural thing with finns, I guess. Either you own a summer house in middle of nowhere in the forrest, with hardly any road access, or you own a summer house in the middle of the sea where nobody can see that you're actually there | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cool | 06:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels some jealousy | 06:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though, it's probably pretty hard to get home from the pub at night ;-P | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | Yes | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | In the winter, the last 20km is by ski | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | king size quadrocopter! | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should be able to control such thing in a way so you enter, close the "door" and press the button for the desired desination, like in an elevator | 06:33 |
| robbiethe1st | Why not voice activation? | 06:34 |
| robbiethe1st | "Take me home, jeeves" | 06:34 |
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| ShadowJK | There's a lake, with an island obstruction in the middle, it might be long enough for a STOL airplane in winter, at close to 0 temperatures. | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the are certain circumstances where a button is more reliable | 06:34 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine at the usual -10 .. - 35C, the friction to snow would be too high for anything reasonable to take off :) | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, make that octocopter | 06:36 |
| robbiethe1st | If you can't handle taking off, you don't have a big enough rocket. | 06:36 |
| robbiethe1st | Moar power! | 06:36 |
| ShadowJK | I love that place :) | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8* 50HP should suffice | 06:37 |
| ShadowJK | my grandpa built the first building by dragging logs manually through the forrest, across a swamp, then one by one in a small boat to reach the shore on the other side | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and sufficiently redundant | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those were real men | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | Nearest electricity line runs 30km away even today :) | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | piped water is even further | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | It's a "back to basics" place, and "apocalypse survival site" in one | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | And for some reason, us finns love to spend summer holidays at such locations. | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEMu5XY31DY | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard there's bazillions of mosquitoes in summer | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | Yes. | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i'd prefer the island | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | offshore | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | The islands do not escape :) | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no mosqui | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | They've got their local mosquito populations | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DUH! | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huge island, eh? | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | Seems related to mainland mosquito population though, because I didnt react too badly to them | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kill'em with lazors | 06:44 |
| ShadowJK | When I was up north in lapland, the mosquitos there seemed very annoying to me, some bites even swelled | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnSKrzmpKGw | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | The mosquitos where I live, there's slight pinch when they depart, and that's about all | 06:45 |
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| ShadowJK | No swelling or other reactions | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | Not even an itch | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dnag, the bots go kookoo | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | But that because I've lived here all my life, more or less | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I react to mosqui bites like somebody poisoned me. Sometimes 2 weeks of injury | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | The protein mosquitos use when they penetrate the skin varies, here they've managed to develop one that goes unnoticed :) | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with stains on the skin that never ever go away | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK | To me it's like someone gently touched me with a jumper wire | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | when I'm in lapland, it feels like a superheated poker, but it goes away after killing the critter | 06:49 |
| ShadowJK | The most awesome thing is when there is non-native around.. One mosquito, and non-native is waving arms around in panic, which increases his metabolism rate, which emits more CO2, which means all the mosquitos in the region will converge on him :)) | 06:50 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: ok, got it | 07:17 |
| jon_y | no sim == no timestampt from gsm operator | 07:18 |
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| Mike11 | hello everybody :) | 11:56 |
| Mike11 | I have this new n9 , and I am installing wazapp , unfortunately it is crashing on startup, I found a post that is suggesting I edit the file ui.py located in /opt/waxmppplugin/bin/wazapp/ | 11:56 |
| Mike11 | what is the best way to do that?? | 11:56 |
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| freemangordon | ~ping | 13:16 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: she is sleeping, wake her up please ^^^ | 13:17 |
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| exo`` | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 14:42 |
| * exo`` yawns in peace | 14:42 | |
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| khertan | Hi | 14:49 |
| Apic | Hi. | 14:50 |
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| jonwil | hi | 14:50 |
| khertan | So if i understand there isn't any twitter client that works currently on n900 ? | 14:50 |
| khertan | jonwil: | 14:51 |
| khertan | jonwil: hi | 14:51 |
| khertan | :) | 14:51 |
| jonwil | :) | 14:51 |
| khertan | whaou ... my n900 didn't have fremantle on it ... hihi | 14:51 |
| jonwil | just reading the interesting looking tmo thread about Neo900 and think its a good idea :) | 14:51 |
| khertan | jonwil: could be indeed | 14:52 |
| khertan | but i believe more in nemo mobile than using a plateform with closed parts | 14:52 |
| jonwil | I think something that would be worth doing is to figure out the software (i.e. there is talk of reusing Nokia blobs, work is needed to figure out which blobs to re-use and which blobs to clone or rewrite) | 14:53 |
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| khertan | lol ... khweeteur works also on desktop | 14:57 |
| khertan | .... | 14:57 |
| khertan | i forgot :) | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 14:58 |
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| qwerty123 | hey , i have a doubt , not really related to maemo, can anyone help?? | 15:22 |
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| qwerty123 | SpeedEvil: you there now? | 15:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | err - with? | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm sort of slightly awake | 15:25 |
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| qwerty123 | with c.. it may sound stupid, but my doubt is can we just write protect just one or an array of memory locations of a pen drive?? | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | At least not for any meanings of that sentance i can think of | 15:26 |
| qwerty123 | answer was really short.. :P | 15:26 |
| qwerty123 | actually, is there any way to make my pc access just the pendrives i want?? | 15:27 |
| qwerty123 | thats why i was thinking of reserving some memorylocatiosn of pendrive with some "key" that would be read everytime, and if it doesnot match, then it should simply unmunt it, | 15:28 |
| qwerty123 | SpeedEvil: | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | What is your PC running. | 15:29 |
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| qwerty123 | both windows n ubuntu. | 15:30 |
| qwerty123 | currently on win7. | 15:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Readonly is pretty irrelevant | 15:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | you for example could make a second partition with a key on the pendrive, and only mount if that exists. | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Avoiding that key being tribvially copyable if anyone gets a hold of your device isn't simple | 15:31 |
| qwerty123 | yeah that should work , thanks.. will try that. but again, i wont be able to put any data in that partition.. | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't care - you put the data in the main partition | 15:32 |
| qwerty123 | the key is supposed to be linked with those memorylocations only. | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | that doesn't really make any sense. | 15:32 |
| qwerty123 | that wud have atleast decreased the risk of a copied key,.. key may be copied but mem locattions if different, then reject ! | 15:33 |
| qwerty123 | yep.. :) thanks .. i believe yu were sleeping. good night. :) | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | You want a read protect - not a write protect | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | And - how can you read from a protected sector | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | the 'right' way to do this involves assymetric keys. | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | but you cannot do this with a dumb device. There are some encrypted pendrives out there - I am unsure if any would support what you want to do. | 15:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | khertan: Hi, thanks for responding to my PM re council meeting yesterday :) | 16:18 |
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| Mike11 | hello my n9 is stuck in a reboot loop , please help me :-( | 19:48 |
| Mike11 | is there anyway to backup my contacts now before flashing?? | 19:49 |
| Mike11 | any help is really appreciated | 19:49 |
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| entitled | mike11, I can't help you, but did you ask at #meego ? | 19:59 |
| Mike11 | i asked at #harmattan , i will ask now at #meego thanks entitled | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think #meego is the ideal place to ask. if #harmattan doesn't know... | 21:36 |
| Sosica | will there be an extra irc node for stuff regarding the Neo900, or is it still happening here, since it'll use the same SW? | 21:37 |
| cybertheque | trying to modprobe ubifs in the sdk ubuntu vm: UBIFS error (pid 17519): compr_init: cannot initialize compressor zlib, error -2 | 21:38 |
| cybertheque | FATAL: Error inserting ubifs (/lib/modules/2.6.32-24-generic/kernel/fs/ubifs/ubifs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) | 21:39 |
| cybertheque | didn't expect symbol or lib mismatches in the sdk | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sosica: here | 21:40 |
| Sosica | thx | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cybertheque: indeed a bit strange | 21:41 |
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| cybertheque | need to mount rootfs.jfss2 from n900 | 21:41 |
| cybertheque | is really ubi i am told | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it is | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cannot initialize compressor zlib | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is the key I guess | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check for your zlib | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall several related bug reports lately | 21:50 |
| cybertheque | kk - will do and report back later | 21:52 |
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| infobot | It's great to be back! | 21:54 |
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| cybrNaut | Wammu/Gammu question-- do any maemo devices have SMS? The n900 (reportedly) only has the "info" feature, not SMS | 21:55 |
| dos1 | huh? | 21:55 |
| dos1 | och, nvm | 21:56 |
| cybrNaut | most devices only have partial gammu support.. the n900 is one of them | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf gammu? | 21:57 |
| cybrNaut | DocScrutinizer05: see http://wammu.eu/phones/nokia/?page=8 | 21:58 |
| cybrNaut | my interest is in an SMS server.. gammu does that | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now that tells me zlch | 21:58 |
| cybrNaut | in the end, I need a maemo device that can send SMS messages to a gammu instance (a server that collects SMS messages) | 21:59 |
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| cybrNaut | apparently maemo is the only phone OS that has SDR capability, which is another (unrelated) need that I have | 22:00 |
| cybrNaut | DocScrutinizer05: if you look at the n900 on that page, you'll see that SMS is not supported, unlike other devices | 22:01 |
| nox- | is the little arm cpu even fast enough for sdr? | 22:01 |
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| cybrNaut | nox-: that's a good question.. I only heard that someone pulled it off recently | 22:02 |
| cybrNaut | but i don't know if they actually accomplished anything more than working drivers | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask xes :-D | 22:03 |
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| cybrNaut | (btw, all qualcomm chipsets seem to be SDR, but I don't count them because they're proprietary, undocumented, and unfreed) | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply test it! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91182 | 22:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 still wondering what's that gwammu stuff | 22:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and how N900 SMS could not be supported | 22:05 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: app used to control phone- and messagebooks on feature phones | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, THAT nonsense | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that relates to my allude to "control SMS" in fremantle-neo | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even genuine fremantle doesn't support all of these control cruft SMS, thanks Goddess | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | No thanks, I don't want a SMS reconfigure my system, bottom up. Without me even letting know | 22:08 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: well, on N900 you can do anything you want without wammu. You have access to OS on the phone, so just write a script that reacts to SMS and do whatever you want on that | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 22:08 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: wammu does not support it because it uses some basic AT interface over USB which does not expose such information on N900 | 22:09 |
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| dos1 | but you can expose it by youself via ssh or anything else | 22:09 |
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| cybrNaut | hmm, yeah, maybe i can do without gammu. I like the idea of connecting multiple phones to an sms server.. but I guess I could make special accommodations for the n900 | 22:11 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: you could manually expose some interface that gammu can support ;) | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cybrNaut: N900 is no phone. It's a full featured linux desktop computer in your pocket, that happens to have some GSM functions built in | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probbaly you can use the N900 to control your phones | 22:13 |
| cybrNaut | DocScrutinizer05: i have an n800, so i have an idea about it. | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 5400 thanks, 40 votes >=700, I guess we alse will reach the 300 votes this weekend. \o/ | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and kicked off FPTF | 22:18 |
| cybrNaut | i've been out of it for a few years.. my n800 screen died. the n900 was the only GSM-capable maemo device at that time.. is that still the case? any successors? | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 22:18 |
| dos1 | some would say N9, but don't trust them :P | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I forgot ;-P | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no really, I did | 22:19 |
| dos1 | :D | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | by the letters it's not a maemo device anyway | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and calling HARM a maemo version is... a gross insult | 22:20 |
| nox- | and n9 has this aegis thing rtoo ight? | 22:20 |
| NIN101 | HARM is a maemo version. | 22:20 |
| dos1 | is it that bad? I don't know much about it | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N9 is aegis, yes | 22:21 |
| NIN101 | jk :-) | 22:21 |
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| nox- | aegis == you arent really root anymore | 22:21 |
| cybrNaut | ah, the open moko upgrade.. i didn't realize that had maemo | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and N9 is nuked community | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and scattered repos | 22:21 |
| dos1 | i know about aegis, and that's all | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis | 22:21 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 22:21 |
| nox- | btw what became of jolla, didnt they want to make a `successor' too? | 22:22 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: well, Neo900 is a project to create new board based on GTA04 that will fit into N900 case and will be able to run Fremantle | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they shipped my t-shirt recently | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should have taken XXXXXL, which maybe would have fit to my door | 22:23 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: err, for end user it's meant to be a complete device :) | 22:23 |
| dos1 | (some people are confused about that, so just clearing it out) | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better that! | 22:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 searches for the taser | 22:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: I minted the term GTA04-NeoN for the board | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while Neo900 is clearly a complete assembled device ready to unpack, insert battery, flash OS, enjoy | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GTA04-N900 felt like "ouch my fingers" | 22:27 |
| dos1 | yeah... but from "what has to be done"-pov we have to create board fitting into N900 case before we can sell complete devices | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather "who broke my tongue?" | 22:28 |
| dos1 | so it's easy to become confused while thinking about it | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not for end users | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only for us devs | 22:29 |
| dos1 | GTA04-NeoN looks nice | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tthought that, yeah :-D | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next board will be ArgoN | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CryptoN, XenoN | 22:29 |
| cybrNaut | dos1: i don't like hardware keyboards on phones. But if i can get a neo900 ready to go, I might overlook that. Is that possible? or do i have to buy a n900, and swap the boards, and do the effort? | 22:29 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: yes, you'll be able to buy complete Neo900 ready to go | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you better get a GTA04 then | 22:30 |
| dos1 | you'll probably just have to flash OS, but that'd be all | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no hw kbd ;-D | 22:31 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: but there will be an option for getting just a board too | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my post on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's all in there - meanwhile | 22:32 |
| dos1 | 299 :) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes old posts are worth rereading ;-) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 22:32 |
| dos1 | 13,3% voted for 700+ | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's getting better every day | 22:33 |
| dos1 | 20% for 600+ | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 40 votes | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not counting the 3 stealth ones | 22:33 |
| dos1 | right | 22:33 |
| dos1 | oh, I didn't even count myself :D | 22:33 |
| dos1 | so it's something like 14% ;) | 22:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 slpas himself Gibbs' style, and grabs the letter envelopes he just bought | 22:34 | |
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| dos1 | some votes for ~600 might be important too, as there should be some interest in bare boards, and those will be cheaper a bit | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not just a bit, ~100..150 | 22:36 |
| dos1 | I bet most of them just checked the highest price they can afford, without making difference to the board and full device | 22:37 |
| dos1 | (just like me :D) | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can factor out such statistical errors | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | considering that only tmo users can vote at all, I don't give too much about that poll, except for watching trends | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about time to send some hw to Nikolaus | 22:39 |
| dos1 | aaaaand | 22:40 |
| dos1 | it's 300 | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.mwkn.net/2013/34/front.html is missing on some news, don't you think? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 22:41 |
| dos1 | sadly last vote went to something lower than 600 :P | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't worry, we'll pick them all up when we have sth to show off | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're all terrible busy and/or lazy. | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi GA!!! | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I started worrying | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you can con some more people into aggregating stuff onto the Twitter I might find the energy to summarize stuff. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Selling a house. :/ | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeew | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | been there done that. No fun | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 10 min might cost you a few $$$$$ | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're saying the wrong thing | 22:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how long that parcel from the denerous donor will take to arrive. Or if it got sent at all | 22:45 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to have to sacrifice another one of my babies D-`,: | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | time to sign some contract with GolDeliCo | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UGH, wouldn't that diqualify me for council? \o/ | 22:48 |
| dos1 | you're getting a job? :D | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I#m pondering to ask Nikolaus to sign some sort of commercial agreement with me | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wasted some 30 days of work into that so far, so what? But sending out one of my very own N900 babies to let it slaughter by him, that's definitely *my* red line | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 22:51 |
| dos1 | i see ;) | 22:51 |
| dos1 | but why would that disqualify you for council? :o | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see rules | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | You have to declare any commercial relation to Nokia or other companies who are into selling maemo products. OWTTE | 22:52 |
| dos1 | is Neo900 an Maemo product? ;) | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though rles have another loophole there for late "employments", I think I could use it as an excuse ;-) | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and resigning from council would make my life a lot easier | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Package autobuildertest_0.1-4_armel.changes was installed to suite fremantle<< | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks autobuilder for letting me know | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Package mc_4.8.10-0maemo4_armel.changes was installed to suite fremantle<< | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 301 WTH?! :-) | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually think I did not the worst job to explain why we can't go cheaper than 700 | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and still offering an attractive set of features | 22:58 |
| dos1 | I think your FPTF post might attract some new people, who look at Fremantle subforum but not at N900 one | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, maybe this whole thing is just starting to move, eh? | 22:59 |
| dos1 | but vote no. 301 was for 300EUR :( | 22:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waits for /. and ct.de | 22:59 | |
| dos1 | :) | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about time to consider a kickstarter for funding the prototypes | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500EUR buys you your name etched to the PCB, if you buy a device | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 1000 gets you one of the prototypes | 23:00 |
| dos1 | pledge 50 EUR and your name will be included into About screen on the device | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no problem | 23:01 |
| dos1 | pledge 300 and your name will be displayed on first boot tutorial | 23:01 |
| dos1 | pledge 100000 and we'll rename the project after you | 23:01 |
| dos1 | ;) | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 23:02 |
| cybrNaut | is fremantle an OS? | 23:02 |
| dos1 | cybrNaut: yup. Maemo 5 | 23:02 |
| dos1 | aka the N900 version | 23:02 |
| cybrNaut | wikipedia has nothing on it... even the disambiguation page has nothing | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already forgot what been the N800 codename | 23:03 |
| dos1 | it's a codename for Maemo 5 | 23:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and an AFL team and a port/town and a Media company .... | 23:03 |
| dos1 | diablo? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, maybe | 23:04 |
| Sosica | cybrNaut: http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page <-- the real wiki | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 23:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | codenames are "winds" IIRC | 23:04 |
| dos1 | hmm, nope, Diablo was an upgrade for N810 | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Chinook, how could I forget | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RM-742 :-((( | 23:09 |
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| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: it's nice... but it would most likely still have the same harmattan as n9 :( | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, uaergh! | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with a a ae... AEGIS!! D-: | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a "use QtM or don't bother writing apps" policy | 23:13 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 doing another fancy: summing up "preorder" total | 23:21 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 137250 | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~137250/700 | 23:25 |
| infobot | 196.071428571429 | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~196/301 | 23:26 |
| infobot | 0.651162790698 | 23:26 |
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| dos1 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8497686/neo900chart.png | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I don't twitter (only the birds in my garden), but if you explain the procedure to dos1 I bet he's willing to help with a few short notices | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: nice. but based on number of users | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could argue amount of money is more relevant | 23:36 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: right... and this one looks even nicer: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8497686/neo900chart2.png :) | 23:40 |
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| dos1 | half of the money comes from 500+ alone | 23:43 |
| dos1 | and almost quarter from 700+ | 23:44 |
| dos1 | looks good to me | 23:44 |
| dos1 | GeneralAntilles: and I can confirm what Doc said :) | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | dos1, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any help aggregating stories would be greatly appreciated. | 23:50 |
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| Pali | ccxCZ: ping | 23:58 |
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