IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-09-01

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XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: don't see anything unusual	00:14
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DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	00:20
XATRIX	i mean, i can't find anything related to CSSU Package	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	when you get the message "please use Nokia PC suite" then you must have a tab labeled "problems" or sth like that	00:20
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DocScrutinizer05	and you got a menu entry in HAM that's called "logs" or similar	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	you even can save logs to a file, to pastebin them	00:21
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XATRIX	sure, i can	00:23
XATRIX	but there's nothing in about CSSU update	00:23
XATRIX	no mention	00:23
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dos1	if there's some problem with some library needing specific version of some other library which cannot be installed due to conflict with another library, why would there be CSSU mentioned?	00:24
XATRIX	alright, give me a sec	00:25
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XATRIX	http://fpaste.org/36292/84336137/	00:25
XATRIX	that's the last one lines	00:25
XATRIX	from the end of the list	00:25
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xes	?? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370984#post1370984	01:23
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xes	?? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370993#post1370993	01:24
lexik	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370986#post1370986	01:24
lexik	WTF?!	01:24
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lexik	TMO under spam attack?!	01:25
entitled	!!! RED ALERT !!!	01:25
RiD	holy crap :P	01:25
lexik	and more.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1370995#post1370995	01:26
lexik	and more and more and more...	01:26
RiD	it's just 2 users	01:26
lexik	2 spammers vs. ? admins	01:26
RiD	well, bots	01:26
lexik	now..	01:27
RiD	just enjoy their football	01:27
RiD	ok	01:27
RiD	3 users	01:27
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DocScrutinizer51	what's tmo attack status?	02:42
DocScrutinizer51	~botsnack	02:42
infobot	:), DocScrutinizer51	02:42
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RiD	DocScrutinizer05 these little bastards keep making accounts	02:49
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lexik	wtf? what is it now? apkenv? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1371026#post1371026	03:08
lexik	captcha is not enough? or what is the problem?	03:09
ecc3g	captcha is never enough	03:10
lexik	this bot seems stupid.. it is posting football sh*t stuff on maemo-linux related forum...	03:12
ecc3g	seems like the fallacy of captcha is that one thinks it can remain static... no, it needs to be dynamic...	03:13
ecc3g	nah, dont think the bot really cares... It may not even be a bot, possibly - they do have people breaking captchas for profit	03:13
lexik	bot really dont cares :D	03:15
ecc3g	exactly.	03:16
ecc3g	it may even be a person too, for all we know	03:16
ecc3g	and that person still doesn't care	03:16
lexik	person who hates TMO :P	03:16
ecc3g	not necessarily, person who hates to pay money to advertise more likely?	03:17
lexik	.. the blog it is pointing on, is about nothing - as the spam on forum	03:18
ecc3g	there are people out there that would do anything to advertise... I had a website that prints out browser agents on a webpage. I have subsequently stopped doing it - even after "santizing" it - because bots started getting smart and putting links in it for google to index	03:20
lexik	and especially this post is really weird: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91241 ; it looks like it is trying to grab email adresses	03:20
ecc3g	(actually I stopped publishing that website because my uplink bandwidth started increasing because the number of unique agents kept on increasing)	03:22
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ecc3g	I also had a forum running. Bots cracked the default captcha. I changed the captcha slightly - and was unharmed by bots for almost a year... then they came back	03:23
ecc3g	it's frustrating.	03:23
ecc3g	hmm... I just thought of a new captcha to do...too bad the forum has no use really...	03:24
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RiD	make it a puzzle	03:25
ecc3g	all it needs to be is unique	03:25
ecc3g	the more popular the website, the more often it needs to be changed.	03:25
RiD	hm	03:25
ecc3g	if you have a less popular site, you can get away with changing the captcha less frequently...	03:26
ecc3g	just too bad that most people dont program, they just grab the software, be it vbulletin or phpbb or simplemachines, and implement it...	03:27
RiD	simplemachines, ugh	03:27
ecc3g	I'm not even sure which ones are OSS except for phpbb.	03:28
ecc3g	phpbb is nice because of that...	03:28
RiD	i like phpbb	03:28
lexik	ive tried to install newer cmake in scratchbox, and i have stucked on:	03:29
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lexik	E: The package emacsen-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.	03:29
ecc3g	kind of funny, centurylink (a US telco) had a phpbb3 forum for customers. they shut it down because they couldn't stop the spam	03:29
lexik	when i was trying to install dependencies	03:29
lexik	i cant do anything apt-get	03:30
lexik	grr	03:30
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DocScrutinizer51	still new spam accounts?	03:43
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lexik	now everything looks ok.. now..	03:43
RiD	i like to think of them as angry iphone users :D	03:44
lexik	Elop gets angry when he saw our Neo900 project	03:44
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lexik	DocScrutinizer51: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1371052#post1371052 :-/	03:50
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RiD	lexik elop trying to flop	03:51
DocScrutinizer51	another spam?	03:51
RiD	affirmative, capn'	03:52
lexik	yes	03:52
DocScrutinizer51	when account created?	03:52
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RiD	today.	03:53
DocScrutinizer51	sure	03:53
DocScrutinizer51	but 1 or 20h ago?	03:53
RiD	" Today 08:46 PM"	03:54
RiD	i guess Lisbon time	03:54
DocScrutinizer51	afaik account creaion on tmo should be blocked	03:54
lexik	it is his first post..	03:54
RiD	temporary or permanently? lol	03:55
lexik	TMO is full, go away :D	03:55
DocScrutinizer51	I cant do much except take down tmo completely	03:55
DocScrutinizer51	chemist doesnt like me around as admin on tmo	03:56
RiD	go ahead	03:57
RiD	take down tmo	03:57
DocScrutinizer51	REALLY?	03:57
lexik	...	03:57
lexik	wait.	03:57
RiD	ask infobot	03:57
RiD	what does she think about this situation	03:58
DocScrutinizer51	dafaq	03:58
DocScrutinizer51	I gomm	03:58
DocScrutinizer51	gonna ban you	03:58
RiD	hey hey, why	03:58
DocScrutinizer51	for ruining my sexual life	03:58
lexik	infobot is "she" ? interesting	03:59
RiD	WHAT	03:59
DocScrutinizer51	I honestly got netter things to do at saturday night	03:59
RiD	i see... was it supposed to be a strictly professional relationship	04:00
lexik	infobot ^^.. hi, today you are looking awesome! as always!	04:00
infobot	lexik: what are you talking about?	04:00
RiD	but it ended up being...more	04:00
DocScrutinizer51	afk, dont dare to highlight me	04:01
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RiD	DecScrotinozor15	04:03
lexik	it looks like emacsen-common in extras-devel is broken.. i will test it on real device..	04:04
lexik	cmake depends on cmake-data which depends on emacsen-common... i hate that :D	04:08
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DocScrutinizer05	(<RiD> make it a puzzle) actualy a nice idea	04:16
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RiD	use the maemo logo :p	04:16
RiD	i've seen a few forums use puzzles	04:17
lexik	YEAAAH! cmake --version	04:17
lexik	cmake version 2.8.9	04:17
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lexik	ok, now the FANNy part	04:18
DocScrutinizer05	what now? take tmo down or not?	04:20
DocScrutinizer05	to me it seems tmo admins do a pretty good job	04:21
lexik	...but.. will it help?	04:21
RiD	did you seriously consider taking it down? lol	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	links to threads on tmo you posted here 45min ago are not valid anymore	04:22
DocScrutinizer05	RiD: taking down tmo costs me 8seconds	04:22
RiD	and turning it back again?	04:22
lexik	but there are new one's.. such as: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1371052#post1371052	04:22
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lexik	when do you plan you will turn it up?	04:23
RiD	mental, gabdul3	04:23
lexik	after 1h? after 1 day? until you will fix captcha?	04:23
DocScrutinizer05	here you are, tmo paused	04:24
Wulfe	...	04:25
lexik	:/..okey	04:25
Wulfe	hey, i was reading that	04:25
DocScrutinizer05	new, do you wanna continue joking, or are we going to discuss threat defense?	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	now*	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	you already ruined my date for today	04:26
Wulfe	dont put us in the middle of your war. i was trying to find some answers......	04:27
DocScrutinizer05	Wulfe: you seem a sane person. Should I unpause tmo?	04:27
lexik	"your war"? its our war	04:27
Wulfe	please do =p	04:27
DocScrutinizer05	Wulfe: or is there severe thread that needs taking down of tmo?	04:28
DocScrutinizer05	threat even	04:28
Wulfe	i would like to continue my hunt for some resolution to youtube-dl-x	04:28
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RiD	there's no explicit stuff that i know. just football/golf	04:28
Wulfe	i have seen nothing on tmo that warrents removal	04:28
lexik	Wulfe: ?!	04:29
Wulfe	everythign looks to me to be in the correct threads.	04:29
lexik	Spam about football in "general"?	04:29
lexik	for example?	04:29
Wulfe	oh i didnt see that	04:29
DocScrutinizer05	well, I think I will unpause it. obviously there are tmo moderators active handling the issue. as long as they don't ping me complaining about something, why should I be worried?	04:29
Wulfe	but tbh i chill in the diablo 4 and n810 threads	04:29
RiD	Wulfe old school!	04:30
DocScrutinizer05	tmo running	04:30
Wulfe	indeed i am ;)	04:31
Wulfe	i love my 810 wimax <3	04:31
Wulfe	although i wish it would run debian lxde better	04:31
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lexik	and by today i love scratchbox!	04:31
DocScrutinizer05	it seems "old school" is a compliment in old school circles, and an insult in hipster/youngster ones	04:31
Wulfe	lol	04:32
lexik	FANN library seems to be installed	04:32
Wulfe	well i am 36 so i am fine with it however they meant it	04:32
RiD	lol	04:32
RiD	no offense intended :p	04:32
DocScrutinizer05	Wulfe: yeah, you're in between. I'm clearly way beyoind your little world	04:33
Wulfe	lol	04:33
DocScrutinizer05	my beard turns gray	04:33
DocScrutinizer05	thedead1440: PING	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: PING	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	pretty please could anybody check if it's still even possible to create new accounts on tmo?	04:36
DocScrutinizer05	if you got no other pr0n to watch, look at http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?r=hour&cs=&ce=&m=load_one&s=by+name&c=maemo&h=&host_regex=&max_graphs=0&tab=m&vn=&sh=2&z=small&hc=4	04:39
DocScrutinizer05	wtf?! a gap in scatchbox VM?	04:40
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DocScrutinizer05	indeed http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=scratchbox&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2	04:41
DocScrutinizer05	please don't thing sysops do same things like normal users.	04:42
DocScrutinizer05	think*	04:42
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DocScrutinizer05	I'm depending on reports from you	04:43
DocScrutinizer05	so.. please tell me... do we see new spam still?	04:43
Win7Mac	last one 5mins ago	04:44
Win7Mac	can't you see that?	04:44
DocScrutinizer05	thanks!!!!	04:44
Win7Mac	sure	04:44
DocScrutinizer05	I don't even try to see that, my setup doesn't allow me to "see that"	04:44
DocScrutinizer05	link?	04:45
Win7Mac	ah, no	04:45
lexik	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1371061#post1371061	04:45
lexik	7 minutes old one	04:45
Win7Mac	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91259	04:45
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DocScrutinizer05	FFS	04:46
DocScrutinizer05	thedead1440: PINGPINGPINGPING!!!	04:46
Win7Mac	asleep	04:46
DocScrutinizer05	huh? gmt+8	04:46
Win7Mac	having his coffee...	04:47
RiD	sip	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	ok, since I have no means to find out if some moderator or admin is fighting shit over there, and span obviously doesn't stop, I have no alternatives. I pause tmo	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	s/span/spam/	04:48
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: ok, since I have no means to find out if some moderator or admin is fighting shit over there, and spam obviously doesn't stop, I have no alternatives. I pause tmo	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	tmo paused	04:48
Wulfe	i am good, i have found my answers	04:48
Wulfe	pause away	04:49
Wulfe	so tmo doesnt have a spam filter i take it?	04:49
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DocScrutinizer05	I dunno. chemist doesn't want me around on tmo as admin, so all I can do is handling the machine as a blackbox. Blackbox stopped	04:52
Wulfe	seems as good of a solution as any.	04:53
DocScrutinizer05	@tmo admins: ping me when you're ready to take care	04:53
Wulfe	atleast it will get the attention of an admin eventualy	04:53
Win7Mac	Doc, an interesting mail came in to board, just forwarded to you. Might come in handy...	04:54
DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: subject?	04:54
Win7Mac	Maemo	04:54
DocScrutinizer05	pfff	04:54
DocScrutinizer05	my life == maemo	04:55
Win7Mac	i don't know what to answer	04:55
DocScrutinizer05	maemo written on my toothpaste	04:55
Win7Mac	lol	04:55
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mashina	DocScrutinizer05: so nokia strangled you in the crib?	04:56
Win7Mac	by any chance, saw my mail? what do you think about 501(c)3 status?	04:56
mashina	and your younger brother aborted late term?	04:56
Win7Mac	given?	04:56
DocScrutinizer05	no new mail in my inbox	04:56
* mashina is bitter		04:56
DocScrutinizer05	mashina: get yourself a good longdring! at least that's what I'm going to do right away	04:57
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mashina	longdring?	04:57
DocScrutinizer05	oooh new mail	04:57
Win7Mac	Sent 31.08.2013 17:49, Topic: "Re: Fwd: Re: Sorting documents..."	04:57
mashina	is that a german word?	04:57
DocScrutinizer05	longdrink*	04:57
mashina	germans took over irc over night and i have no idea what these words mean	04:58
DocScrutinizer05	INTERSTING?????????	04:58
DocScrutinizer05	MAIL????????????	04:59
DocScrutinizer05	*COUGH*	04:59
Win7Mac	speak straight plz	04:59
DocScrutinizer05	Hello Hildon Foundation ,My name is Nathanial, and I am 14 years old. My website i sLimestorm.com. I saw that Maemo was discontinued in favor of othe rmobile Linux distributions, but I think it was a mistake.	04:59
mashina	he's some drunk as fuck, as we say in the maritimes	05:00
mashina	both doc and nathan there	05:00
mashina	and it was a mistake	05:00
mashina	taylor swift could write sad songs about the murder of maemo	05:00
mashina	i may get a windows phone one day	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	good night	05:01
mashina	but it won't be a nokia, grumblegrumble	05:01
mashina	guten nacht	05:01
mashina	im tired too	05:01
Win7Mac	i wouldn't refuse any help	05:01
* DocScrutinizer05 goes shooting own head with a marshmallow		05:01
Win7Mac	if he's got hours to spend...	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	dude, I got NO hours to spend	05:02
DocScrutinizer05	to educate youngsters#	05:02
Win7Mac	gee, what you expect me to do? thought i linked to the right one...	05:03
DocScrutinizer05	or 50 year old , makes no differenceasheads	05:03
mashina	have you considered reefer?	05:03
Win7Mac	otherwise not much will happen i assume	05:03
mashina	devil's lettuce? slacker parsley?	05:04
DocScrutinizer05	prolly this 14yo is the skiddie that rapes tmo	05:04
mashina	script kitties	05:04
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mashina	an n810!	05:05
mashina	i have an n800 and n900	05:05
mashina	i need n810 and 770 to completr my set	05:05
PocketNinja	<-- Wulfe	05:05
PocketNinja	i always am on my n810	05:05
PocketNinja	=k	05:06
mashina	i liked my n800 but its kinda weak	05:06
PocketNinja	=)*	05:06
RiD	hehe, xchat	05:06
PocketNinja	ofc	05:06
mashina	love the n900 but i miss the screen of the n800	05:06
PocketNinja	xchat rocks	05:06
mashina	that had the best brigtness adjust	05:06
mashina	it could actually go dim	05:06
Win7Mac	anyway Doc, 501c3 yes or no from your POV? other boardies don't dare to confirm...	05:06
mashina	and it was a nice size	05:07
mashina	but n800 had that damn awkwad to hold himp	05:07
DocScrutinizer05	nfc, and not that I care a neutrino	05:07
DocScrutinizer05	IANAL	05:08
mashina	Zzzzzzz	05:08
PocketNinja	only thing i wished they would have kept on the n810 was the fm radio	05:08
DocScrutinizer05	in my world, HiFo is sth I better stay away from	05:08
Tekk_	it does seem weird that the n900 has a fm transmitter but afaict no receiver	05:09
DocScrutinizer05	HUH??	05:09
RiD	Tekk_ it has a receiver	05:09
RiD	just not an app	05:09
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Win7Mac	IANAL too, but I can tell you that a förderverein only works if you promote charitable associations	05:09
Win7Mac	...which still has to be determined as it seems	05:10
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders what's right sequence. Get proper longdrink, then headesk until it's empty. Or headesk until longdrink is too tempting		05:10
Win7Mac	if its the case with HiFo as of now	05:10
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DocScrutinizer05	honestly I don't give a flying F. Take those 4kEUR and ram it up...	05:11
DocScrutinizer05	my life won't change	05:11
PocketNinja	drink first aways	05:12
PocketNinja	makes it more fun	05:12
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Win7Mac	buddy, conserve your head... And as it seems there is nothing to treasure for me until we have an e.v.	05:16
Win7Mac	Which I for one have decided to not be the treasurer for	05:17
Win7Mac	funding member yes	05:17
DocScrutinizer05	honestly, I'm as interested in this topic as I am in growing pigs in pensylvania	05:17
DocScrutinizer05	I'm an EE, an engineer. Please google the term. Then google "hacker", "anarchist"	05:18
DocScrutinizer05	I get an anaphylactic shock dealing with that stuff	05:19
DocScrutinizer05	pparticularly since it seems HiFo can't do anything to make my life any easier	05:20
DocScrutinizer05	so you do your thing, I do mine	05:20
Win7Mac	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-07-16.log.html#t2013-07-16T22:31:51	05:21
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA82LYF64es	05:22
DocScrutinizer05	I AM NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE!	05:24
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks two weeks off time been waaay too short		05:25
DocScrutinizer05	maybe I should close all my accounts and look what became of this mess, in ~12..24 months	05:26
FIQ	tmo down?	05:26
DocScrutinizer05	yep	05:27
Win7Mac	dude, i know. but if I can't come up with simple quenstions in order to get the things needed to be done right, what then?	05:27
DocScrutinizer05	spam attack, no mainainers around to handle it	05:27
FIQ	ok	05:27
DocScrutinizer05	then? then you ask somebody else	05:27
FIQ	though wouldn't blocking registration suffice?	05:27
FIQ	or at the very least, make it read only, but perhaps that's more cumbersome than just killing it	05:28
FIQ	oh well	05:29
FIQ	brb	05:29
DocScrutinizer05	I thought it had been done, checked it and wasn't able to register. But nobody verified that when I asked for help, and instead they pointed me to a 7 minutes old spam thread	05:29
FIQ	ok	05:29
DocScrutinizer05	tmo down until a maintainer aka moderator asks me to restart it	05:30
DocScrutinizer05	and I won't discuss HiFo issues in between	05:31
Win7Mac	I don't discuss, I sent you a doc and asked about your opinion... but just forget it	05:32
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DocScrutinizer05	a doc?	05:35
DocScrutinizer05	meh, nevermind	05:35
DocScrutinizer05	spam assassin will handle that	05:35
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Win7Mac	oh, now blacklisting me?	05:37
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lexik	# thats bad	05:39
Win7Mac	geez, why is he so pissed? Anyway, need some sleep now, gn	05:39
lexik	gn	05:39
infobot	for starting talk.maemo.org (which got paused) you should query docscrutinizer, if and only if you got the power to handle spam attack on tmo	05:40
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lexik	why is dh_make not present in my scratchbox -_- ??	06:33
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lexik	Ok, desn't matter. FANN (for now without python binding) is working. Tommorow i will try to upload it to the extras-devel	06:46
lexik	oooh... new FANN needs cmake2.8.. i will have to upload an old version which needs just classical ./configure; make; make install	06:49
jon_y	another project has fallen under the sway of hpsters	07:01
jon_y	*hipsters	07:02
lexik	? :)	07:02
jon_y	my biggest grief with cmake is that there is no easy way to cross compile	07:02
jon_y	or use libtool	07:03
jon_y	or automake	07:03
jon_y	it's like an iPad, pretty with a GUI, but not very functional	07:03
lexik	i have successfly compiled FANN with cmake :)	07:04
jon_y	so how do you cross compile it?	07:04
lexik	in scatchbox	07:04
lexik	*scratchbox	07:04
jon_y	without scratchbox	07:04
jon_y	how do you tell it to --host=xxxx?	07:05
jon_y	oh wait, you can't, you need some kind of chroot	07:05
jon_y	and probably assume qemu-user is installed	07:06
jon_y	whatever new hipster buildsystems that pops up, is going to reinvent autotools poorly	07:07
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lexik	cmake was simply the simpliest way how to compile newest version of FANN... older, which im going to try to upload to extras-devel, can be compiled with clasical make	07:08
jon_y	sure, it's simple as wrapping everything in build.sh	07:09
lexik	python ./setup.py install :P	07:12
lexik	good night.. :)	07:12
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WizardNumberNext	hello. I am looking for good, fast uSD 64GB card for mine N900. obviously I would be "loading it up" on computer, so I do not care about N900 limitations in term of speed	13:45
WizardNumberNext	I know there are people here, who are testing cards for fun ;)	13:46
ShadowJK	Samsung Pro	13:46
WizardNumberNext	I was thinking about Samsung, as they are producing memory and other storage devices and their RAM is fast	13:47
WizardNumberNext	will SDXC work properly? In theory it should.	13:48
ShadowJK	Samsung Value and Samsung Plus are a bit random, at some capacity points Value is better, at some points Plus is better. Samsung Pro is consistently good though.	13:48
ShadowJK	Also, Samsung only recently started selling cards to consumers, so you don't need to worry too much about accidentally getting older models.	13:49
WizardNumberNext	I am not going for anything else then premium stuff - like pro	13:49
WizardNumberNext	other then fakes - I have nothing to worry about then	13:49
ShadowJK	Sandisk also has good products, but you need to be very careful about the exact product# you're getting so that you get the latest model. The "android edition" cards are pretty decent	13:50
ShadowJK	I consider all other brands too untrustworthy :)	13:50
WizardNumberNext	I got one fake - suppose to be Samsung plus 10 class - it barely goes to 800KiB/s and never works properly - creating ext4 on it is impossible	13:50
WizardNumberNext	I was considering sandisk, as it is easier to get it on ebay	13:51
WizardNumberNext	but I might get it from amazon or something like this	13:51
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ShadowJK	I wouldn't get any memory cards from ebay	13:52
ShadowJK	And only Amazon if it says sold and shipped by Amazon	13:52
WizardNumberNext	not any more - damn one never arrived, another is fake	13:52
WizardNumberNext	fortunately it says sold and shipped by amazon	13:53
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Shapeshifter	What's with tmo?	14:07
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t-f-b	I have understood there was a spam attack and it is pauzed until an admin is available	14:16
dos1	yup	14:17
Shapeshifter	I see.	14:20
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RzR	hi	15:25
RzR	has any of you a harmattan sbox ?	15:25
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randervault	Status on TMO? Is the spam being cleared?	15:42
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lexik	TMO is down..	15:48
LjL-Alps	:\	15:49
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dos1	randervault: TMO is waiting for some admin/mod to step up and prevent more spam	15:57
randervault	is stskeep still the admin?	15:58
ShadowJK	was he ever?	16:01
ShadowJK	wait what	16:01
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DocScrutinizer05	Earthwings: is the upload account for that other guy (forgot the name) working now?	16:08
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xes	hi DocScrutinizer05	16:12
DocScrutinizer05	hi!	16:12
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DocScrutinizer05	xes: do you think I should try to mail reggie and ask for help with tmo administration?	16:14
xes	tonight i saw that someone removed a few of that spam threads/posts... Who?	16:15
DocScrutinizer05	good question, no idea	16:15
DocScrutinizer05	I don't even have a comprehensive list of mods on tmo	16:15
xes	i don't think that those spammers changed idea removing what they had posted before	16:15
Earthwings	shentey: ^^	16:15
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st does his very own empire there	16:16
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DocScrutinizer05	right, shentey. could you ask him if his account works as expected, please?	16:16
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, he's in here	16:16
Earthwings	shentey: around? did you try uploading to extras yet?	16:16
xes	yep	16:16
DocScrutinizer05	shentey: we need your close feedback to fix possible oopsies in your account	16:18
DocScrutinizer05	sysops / maintainers can't test your account, you're the only one who got the ssh key	16:18
shentey	Earthwings: nope, I'm still looking for a way to build the package that doesn't require too much patching	16:19
DocScrutinizer05	aaah, well.	16:19
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DocScrutinizer05	shentey: please ask freemangordon_ about that testpackage he used to check autobuilder and relatives. You might try to upload that void package to confirm your account is ok	16:20
shentey	DocScrutinizer05: ah, great	16:21
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shentey	freemangordon_: around?	16:21
RiD	tmo still paused?	16:21
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not savvy regarding that, please coordinate with freemangordon_. When any problems arise, come back here and oing me, I'll try to fix them	16:21
shentey	alright	16:21
DocScrutinizer05	RiD: alas yes. chem\|st failed to appoint any stand-in who has full admin rights on tmo	16:22
DocScrutinizer05	and aiui chem\|st isn't available due to holiday offtime	16:22
RiD	aww	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	I'll try to fight spam issue with help of thedead1440	16:23
RiD	funny thing, wayback machine has a tmo snapshot 30 august	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	or reach out for reggie (ex tmo owner), afaik he still should have full permissions	16:24
RiD	oh but probably many things are missing	16:24
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Win7Mac	It was Gerbick who removed some of the spam posts. He has limited rights to delete spam AFAIK	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	thanks	16:24
RiD	wayback machine is useless, probably tmo does not let robots sneak the content	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	RiD: tmo is highly dynamic content, it's hard to "mirror" it	16:25
DocScrutinizer05	almost impossible	16:25
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dos1	I wonder how spambots reacted on TMO being down	16:26
RiD	panic and rage?	16:26
dos1	maybe it already got removed from their lists as being inaccessible? :D	16:26
dos1	RiD: nah, that was community members	16:26
dos1	;)	16:26
Win7Mac	In another spam attack earlier this year it was discovered that those spamming accounts were registered months before the spamming	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	now that a few interested tmo users who are experienced are around, i might unpause it while you keep it under close observation and holler if spamming persists	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	ok?	16:27
Win7Mac	sure	16:28
Win7Mac	lets give it a try	16:28
RiD	i'd laugh and cry at the same time if suddenly a bot horde joins	16:28
DocScrutinizer05	I expect very close monitoring done by a few of you, with reports every 60s in here	16:28
xes	tmo: admin/spam mod: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cache:3Vvk7KKuIJgJ:http://talk.maemo.org/showgroups.php%2Bhttp://talk.maemo.org/showgroups.php&gbv=1&sei=_EAjUvKyGNSI7Abv6YGQDg&hl=it&ct=clnk	16:29
DocScrutinizer05	who's willing to help doing such monitoring (I.E. searching for new members and new spams)?	16:29
Win7Mac	I will	16:30
RiD	I can do it for a while too	16:30
DocScrutinizer05	xes: nice! thanks!	16:30
DocScrutinizer05	ok	16:30
DocScrutinizer05	unpausing it in 30s	16:30
RiD	initiate launch countdown	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	running	16:31
Win7Mac	:)	16:31
RiD	50 guests already?	16:32
DocScrutinizer05	what's going on?	16:34
RiD	nothing. Someone deleted the old spam	16:34
Win7Mac	all spam gone	16:34
RiD	now it's the waiting game, tic tac	16:34
DocScrutinizer05	isn't there a "newest member" somewhere in maemo skin?	16:34
Win7Mac	member search > advanced > member after >put date here	16:35
RiD	well, on the bottom there's a "welcome to our newest member"	16:35
DocScrutinizer05	RiD: that's what I recalled	16:36
DocScrutinizer05	please try to monitor if new accounts get created	16:36
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DocScrutinizer05	our regular mods can ban members who created account yesterday and today start spamming, but they can't edit/patch/block account creation	16:38
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DocScrutinizer05	DANG!!	16:42
DocScrutinizer05	>>Welcome to our newest member, zlf4Cn <<	16:42
Win7Mac	2nd but last: bobfromcanada	16:43
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, it seems I have to take tmo down again	16:43
dos1	good that i've already finished sending reply to Neo900 thread	16:43
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DocScrutinizer05	tmo paused since obviously still spammers creating new accounts (zlf4Cn doesn't look like a sane username)	16:47
RiD	neither bobfromcanada	16:47
RiD	hi i'm bob and i'm from canada	16:48
DocScrutinizer05	nah, bobfromcanada is a very pretty name I'd think	16:48
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DocScrutinizer05	we need some tmo admin to fix registration procedure, it's either broken or got hacked, or both	16:49
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DocScrutinizer05	also we should forbid new accounts to post, for at least 3 days. Or ceate an automatism that bans new users when their first post gets "reported"	16:50
Win7Mac	probably better: forbid new accounts to post links	16:51
Win7Mac	thats how other forums usually handle it	16:51
DocScrutinizer05	that's a safe bet, and I thought it been like this	16:51
Win7Mac	oh, i don' know, might be	16:52
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DocScrutinizer05	(it's a while since I had a new account on tmo ;-D )	16:52
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DocScrutinizer05	ok, awesome thedead1440 mailed me that he can't IRC but takes care of permanently ban any new tmo users who start spamming. He asked me to resume tmo VM.	17:02
DocScrutinizer05	hi thedead1440! via chanlog, a bold THANKYOU!	17:02
DocScrutinizer05	tmo resumed	17:03
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WizardNumberNext	hello. I need to reset media-player db. tmo is down and there's answer. Do anybody remember command?	17:07
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dos1	WizardNumberNext: tmo is up since few minutes ago ;)	17:08
WizardNumberNext	nice	17:08
DocScrutinizer05	trackerd -r; or sth like that	17:10
DocScrutinizer05	please everybody continue watching tmo for spammers, thedead1440 can one-click clean out them, but he needs to know about them to do that	17:10
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, and could somebody evaluate the registration process please. I tried and it seemed to me that creating new account is already not possible. zlf4Cn lets me stand corrected	17:12
DocScrutinizer05	I got http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/31/plasma-desktopJW3743.png	17:12
dos1	DocScrutinizer05: dos2 has just registered	17:14
DocScrutinizer05	my suspicion is that somebody removed a few text input fields from http://talk.maemo.org/register.php - but that doesn't help when spammer creates the URL to register by a script	17:14
DocScrutinizer05	xes: could you try removing the register.php?	17:15
Win7Mac	Welcome to our newest member, dos2	17:15
xes	DocScrutinizer05: sure	17:15
DocScrutinizer05	thanks a lot!	17:15
Win7Mac	is that you dos1?	17:15
DocScrutinizer05	dos1: thanks to you as well	17:15
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xes	http://talk.maemo.org/register.php 404	17:16
DocScrutinizer05	xes: of course not remove but just rename, and send a tmo PM and a mail to chem\|st	17:16
DocScrutinizer05	so he knows how to revert	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	xes: awesome, many thanks!	17:17
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DocScrutinizer05	to everybody: on talk.maemo.org, at very bottom of page, under "maemo.org - Talk Statistics" you got "Welcome to our newest member, dos2". Please holler loud and immediately when the user dos2 changes to sth else there! Thanks!	17:19
LjL-Alps	i'll wait for dos 3, would rather have nested subdirectories	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	hehe	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	drdos FTW	17:22
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freemangordon	Pali: KP packages are in the stable repo, but not in the package interface. reason is that KP49 is still in the repo. If you want them to appear in the package interface, I can just remove KP49	17:32
Pali	freemangordon: ok, do it	17:32
freemangordon	remove kp49? ok.	17:32
freemangordon	Pali: it is kp42 even :)	17:36
Pali	ok :-)	17:36
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dos1	Win7Mac: yes, that was me	17:37
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: could you please help shentey to test his account?	17:38
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: see backscroll	17:39
freemangordon	ok	17:39
DocScrutinizer05	ok, we have disabled registration of new users on tmo (at least we hope we succeded in doing so). Already registered spammer personalities might still continue spamming. Please report any spam you run into, both in tmo by "report" button and in here via posting link to the spam thread. Thanks!	17:41
freemangordon	shentey: the package in question is called autobuildertest, just apt-get source autobuildertest, increase the version in changelog and put it in the builder	17:42
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	17:42
shentey	freemangordon: thx :)	17:42
DocScrutinizer05	shentey: if any problems shor up during upload (or "build"), please immediately holler here	17:43
freemangordon	shentey: the latest version is 0.1-3, in extras-devel	17:43
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freemangordon	http://maemo.org/packages/view/autobuildertest/	17:43
DocScrutinizer05	show up*	17:44
DocScrutinizer05	shentey: there might be issues with your login-"shell" as configured on drop, then	17:44
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DocScrutinizer05	also keep in mind that propagation of changed ssh pubkey on garage may take undefined timespans till it reaches the other VMs	17:46
DocScrutinizer05	VM's are sunced via scrpts started by cron	17:46
DocScrutinizer05	or not at all ;-)	17:46
DocScrutinizer05	synced*	17:46
freemangordon	Pali: I removed kp37 and kp24 too	17:47
DocScrutinizer05	good!	17:47
Pali	ok	17:47
DocScrutinizer05	cruft! ;-P	17:47
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DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: please try to usually coordinate such removals with merlin1991 (repo maintainer)	17:48
freemangordon	for kernel-power that is, will fix the other packages once kernel-power 52 appears in the package iface	17:48
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DocScrutinizer05	sigh usual calm sunday, how relaxing X-P	17:50
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DocScrutinizer05	OT rant: KDE4 network monitor widget USELESS. Auto-scaling, with no numeric or other hints to the scale used. All you can tell from it is relative shape of traffic during last 20s, but you dunno if that's kB/s or MB/s	17:53
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shentey	does that look correct? http://paste.kde.org/p43d6bb95/	17:56
dos1	DocScrutinizer05: scale it up, it has numeric hints but only if its height is big enough	17:57
freemangordon	hmm, I am usually using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc	17:57
freemangordon	shentey: ^^^	17:57
shentey	freemangordon: alright, I'll use that command	17:58
freemangordon	shentey: wait	17:58
freemangordon	your should be fine too	17:58
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freemangordon	Pali: what about kernel-power-headers?	17:58
Pali	it is not needed in extras repository	17:58
freemangordon	the version in stable is 40, in testing is 50	17:59
freemangordon	but there is one in stable	17:59
Pali	should be removed	17:59
DocScrutinizer05	dos1: how would I scale up this: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/01/plasma-desktopGU3743.png ?	17:59
shentey	freemangordon: your command seems to also build a .deb package	17:59
freemangordon	shentey: yeah	17:59
freemangordon	that is why I said your is ok too	17:59
Pali	in extras should be only user packages, right?	17:59
freemangordon	Pali: hmm, no. afaik	17:59
shentey	freemangordon: alright, I'll try to upload then	18:00
freemangordon	define "user packages"	18:00
dos1	DocScrutinizer05: ouch, you have it on panel... then you're right	18:00
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	18:00
dos1	but well, you can always scale your panel up! :D	18:00
Pali	if some package depends on it then that package needs -headers only at compile time	18:00
Pali	and packages are compiled in extras-devel	18:00
DocScrutinizer05	KDE4 built by the 3 stooges	18:00
Pali	freemangordon: package which is not needed on n900 device	18:00
Pali	and headers is really not needed on device	18:01
freemangordon	Pali: you can;t install them via HAM anyway, but the repo is inconsistent that way	18:01
freemangordon	BTW the same for kp debug packages	18:02
Pali	debug should not be in extras too...	18:02
freemangordon	why?	18:02
freemangordon	in debug package is oprofile module	18:02
Pali	and you cannot install debug/headers packages via HAM	18:02
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Pali	hm, then ok	18:03
freemangordon	Pali: see ;)	18:03
qwazix	does the GTA04 support cellular data on debian?	18:03
shentey	looks like it worked, yay! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/autobuildertest/0.1-4/	18:04
dos1	qwazix: with FSO, yes	18:05
qwazix	dos1, thanks	18:05
shentey	freemangordon: so if I'd want to build the package myself (no compiling on the server), I'd use your command?	18:05
freemangordon	shentey: I use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b for tha purpose	18:06
freemangordon	no sopurce package build :)	18:06
freemangordon	source even	18:06
thedead1440	Hi DocScrutinizer05	18:07
thedead1440	thanks for resuming the vm :)	18:07
shentey	freemangordon: iiuc, you don't upload source packages... why?	18:07
thedead1440	and xes thanks for disabling registration	18:07
freemangordon	shentey: <shentey> freemangordon: so if I'd want to build the package myself (no compiling on the server), I'd use your command?	18:07
thedead1440	dos1: is dos2 really you on tmo?	18:07
freemangordon	shentey: for "no compiling on the server" I used the above command	18:08
freemangordon	*use	18:08
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dos1	thedead1440: yes, I was just testing if it was still possible to register	18:08
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thedead1440	dos1: did you get a captcha to enter? just wondering as i havent seen the registration page in ages	18:09
shentey	freemangordon: ah, I figured that dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b creates .deb packages only (no source packages)	18:09
dos1	thedead1440: yes	18:09
xes	thedead1440: yw! :-) When you need to shutdown something call me.. i know many brutal ways to do that! ;-)	18:09
freemangordon	shentey: good, this is what it is suppoed to do :)	18:09
thedead1440	dos1: ok since it was a test i will ban and clean the account with a note about the test	18:10
thedead1440	xes: :D	18:10
freemangordon	xes: you know what "special NMI" is?	18:10
xes	thedead1440: now we have ~20 spammer users to remove	18:10
dos1	thedead1440: ok, no problem	18:10
xes	freemangordon: no sorry	18:10
freemangordon	pull the power plug :P	18:11
freemangordon	~nmi	18:11
infobot	methinks nmi is Non-Maskable Interrupts, a way to diagnose why a CPU soft-froze.	18:11
thedead1440	xes: you mean those who have posted spam or just suspected spammers?	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	thedead1440: yw, thanks for helping out on managing the attack! :-)	18:11
thedead1440	np	18:12
xes	check users registered in the last 24h... many usernames are very clear	18:12
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: i must have refreshed tmo a gazillion times in the hope you were back to resume the vm :D	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	sorry	18:13
thedead1440	no probs	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	had one of my rare suspend offtimes	18:13
thedead1440	yeah i was surprised too; usually there is no downtime in jrtzv :p	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	unscheduled service downtime due to virus attack	18:14
thedead1440	sigh i can't one touch ban&clean an account without any posts; will leave it to chemist to remove dos2 without labeling it as a spam account	18:14
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thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: ouch... how are you feeling now?	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	thedead1440: keep dos2, I asked tmo users to watch for it changing	18:14
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: ok	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	(feel) like a bag full of surplus junk	18:15
thedead1440	xes: i can't one touch clean accounts without any posts so have to wait for them to come to life	18:15
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: you should be off then	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	nah	18:16
thedead1440	how about your meds?	18:16
DocScrutinizer05	What I should do though is prepare me another coffee	18:16
thedead1440	haha	18:16
DocScrutinizer05	no meds to cure virus attacks	18:17
xes	thedead1440: the attack is still in progress so we should expect that these new users could post something. Sadly the number of ip that we should block is very large... so there is no easy way to ban them all	18:17
DocScrutinizer05	for my system there's no general purpose antivir yet	18:18
thedead1440	xes: :( i am awake for another ~2-3 hours so i will be monitoring them but if they come to life after that i hope someone else is able to stop them	18:18
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: lol; you are one of a kind after all :p	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	thedead1440: could you ban users?	18:19
thedead1440	yeah as spambot	18:19
thedead1440	or just for 3 days too	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	please ban all new users of last maybe 36 hours	18:19
thedead1440	isnt that risky that legitimate users get banned too?	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	send them a notification that we appoligize for inconveniences if they are no spammer	18:20
thedead1440	oh ok	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	tell them to contact $maemo-staff to unban them	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	keep in mind spammers also might want to send PM if they can't spam public threads anymore	18:21
thedead1440	so no pm for them	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	we don't want them to do that	18:22
thedead1440	just a message to try registering after 48hours	18:22
thedead1440	we have 20 users (incl dos2) who have registered since 30-08-13 and have 0 posts	18:22
xes	all the new real users of latest 24h i think to recall that have posted something "human"	18:22
DocScrutinizer05	nah, give them a "out of band" means like email to get ban removed	18:22
thedead1440	lets shift this to -admin	18:23
Wizzup	Does tmo run vbulletin? (In train on 2g atm), but my forum recently got hit (but we prevented it) by some new vbulletin 0day	18:23
DocScrutinizer05	k	18:23
DocScrutinizer05	Wizzup: yup	18:23
DocScrutinizer05	Wizzup: any pointers?	18:23
Wizzup	Which allowed remote attackers to create admin accounts	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	OUCH!!!!	18:24
Wizzup	Still exists, happened yesterday	18:24
Wizzup	we have admincp shielded by several layers though	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	UGH!!	18:24
Wizzup	Not sure if this is related, just saying	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	dunno	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	what's suggested to fight it?	18:25
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DocScrutinizer05	I think we should take down tmo again until we investigated and hardened tmo	18:25
Wizzup	I don't know, someone else took a look at it, I've been off the grid last two days :-)	18:25
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DocScrutinizer05	any pointers to the disclosure/original thread?	18:26
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Wizzup	DocScrutinizer05: If you had a breakin of some kind, yes, if it is just spammers, not sure	18:26
Wizzup	DocScrutinizer05: no, it just happened at our forum, I am going to report it to them this evening	18:27
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DocScrutinizer05	Wizzup: I don't want to wait for any breakin	18:27
Wizzup	(They require full logic details to vbulletin.com to report anything..)	18:27
Wizzup	s/logic/login/	18:27
infobot	Wizzup meant: (They require full login details to vbulletin.com to report anything..)	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	mhm, so _you_ discovered it and it's not even disclosed yet?	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	we are investigating it anyway. Thanks for mentioning it. We don't want to spread it here and now, not to wake sleeping dogs	18:28
freemangordon	Wizzup: what version?	18:29
Wizzup	DocScrutinizer05: no, I just know it exists, I didn't discover it	18:29
Wizzup	freemangordon: good question, 4.x; maybe maemo runs 3.x?	18:29
qwazix	yep maemo runs 3.8	18:30
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freemangordon	Pali: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/	18:46
Pali	nice :-)	18:46
freemangordon	http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-flasher/	18:46
freemangordon	Pali: could you check if something is missing?	18:47
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Pali	looks like it is ok	18:48
RiD	power52 is on stable now?	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	many thanks to walter1950 for his constant help behind the scenes	18:56
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DocScrutinizer05	http://www.vbulletin-germany.com/forum/showthread.php/61661-Mögliche-Sicherheitslücke-in-vBulletin?s=5a632015491b79180f03eb449ac1bf99&p=384267#post384267	19:00
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freemangordon	ns id Melnik123	19:20
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DocScrutinizer05	huh?	19:40
kerio	hunter2	19:42
kerio	i wonder if he noticed	19:42
kerio	and if he changed his password already	19:42
kerio	nope	19:43
kerio	-NickServ- You are now identified for freemangordon.	19:43
kerio	freemangordon: yo, change your password	19:43
freemangordon	kerio: that is what I am trying to do	19:43
kerio	234 people know it	19:43
kerio	it's just /ns set password newpass	19:43
dos1	or wait, let me do that for you... ;)	19:44
freemangordon	dos1: too late	19:44
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dos1	:( but i wanted to be a "hacker"! :(	19:45
kerio	dos1: you can go Melnik123 my Melnik123-ing Melnik123	19:45
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shentey	hey, I've uploaded some .debs (no sources) which should show up here, but don't? http://maemo.org/packages/view/marble/	20:49
shentey	DocScrutinizer05, freemangordon: ^^	20:52
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DocScrutinizer05	shentey: you upload to autobuilder input queue. Autbuilder builds. Repo management promotes built package to repository. eventually it will show up in package interface http://maemo.org/packages/view/ then.	20:53
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DocScrutinizer05	shentey: there's no way to upload stuff to repo and thus to package interface directly	20:54
shentey	DocScrutinizer05: is this also true for uploading .debs only?	20:54
DocScrutinizer05	you're not supposed to upload .deb afaik	20:56
shentey	DocScrutinizer05: freemangordon uses the -b option for dpkg-buildpackage, that's why figured I could upload .deb files directly	20:57
DocScrutinizer05	the idea is: you maintain your project on garage, where your co-devels can contribute and you have all the svn/git and docs and files and mailinglists and stuff. You build locally on your PC under scratchbox. When you are content with the result, you upload the sources to autobuilder, which will do a faithful copy of what your local build process did, to make sure all .deb on extras repo are based 100% on what the source claims they are	21:00
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DocScrutinizer05	part one (garage project) is not mandatory, though highly recommended	21:01
divVerent	even when just using someone else's package and debian source pkg, btw?	21:04
DocScrutinizer05	sorry?	21:05
divVerent	I would still feel wrong claiming ownership for it by making such a garage project	21:05
divVerent	if it is not my code	21:05
DocScrutinizer05	oooh, you're not claiming ownership by creating a garage project. You accept maintainership responsibility	21:06
divVerent	hehe, maybe I should make a garage project "Packages ported from Debian"	21:06
divVerent	then it is clear :)	21:06
DocScrutinizer05	nope, will not meet maemo rules for project naming	21:06
divVerent	oh? so one project per package is mandatory?	21:07
DocScrutinizer05	yep	21:07
divVerent	even if one package is just a dependent lib?	21:07
DocScrutinizer05	then not	21:07
divVerent	just wondering, as I probably want to port the clex file manager if it works	21:07
divVerent	not just because mc is broken	21:08
divVerent	also because mc is no fun on n900 display :P	21:08
DocScrutinizer05	that's correct	21:08
lexik	DocScrutinizer05: i have no experiences with autobilder, so please sorry my stupid questions, i want to upload FANN (in debian repo it it named libfann2), what i have to do is to upload source-codes which can be compiled which "clear" scratchbox? or the .deb package? or both?	21:09
DocScrutinizer05	it works absolutely fine via ssh though	21:09
divVerent	one thing I maybe would want to change in clex is keyboard mapping	21:09
divVerent	but... how	21:09
divVerent	it needs f keys	21:09
divVerent	and esc is not bound by default, and unlike mc no onscreen f key bar	21:09
DocScrutinizer05	lexik: ask the developers who actually use that machinery every day. I'm not really any kind of developer on maemo	21:10
DocScrutinizer05	my guess however wuld be: sources plus some auxiliary files that define what to do with the sources	21:10
lexik	DocScrutinizer05: ok, i will ask someone in Saera thread which is related to it, thanks.	21:11
divVerent	normally that is how debian source pkgs work	21:11
divVerent	dsc, diff.gz, source	21:11
DocScrutinizer05	lexik: ask freemangordon or pali or merlin1991 or... all in here	21:11
lexik	ok	21:12
DocScrutinizer05	also please refer to the howtos available on wiki.maemo.org	21:12
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide	21:13
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel	21:14
lexik	ii have read all these dev-stuff on wiki, however there are some things i still dont understand	21:14
DocScrutinizer05	>>Publishing non-free packages in the Maemo Extras Devel repository for Fremantle is done via dput. Direct upload of binary packages is allowed for non-free packages only.<<	21:15
lexik	so that means i have to upload the >>source<< which will be compiled by autobilder and packaged automaticaly	21:16
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging	21:16
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shentey	ic	21:22
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qdhfgfgh3gg1	Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog (facebook&twitter) spy 4 israel&usa???	21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1	Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???	21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1	هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟	21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1	Do skype,yahoo,other chat and social communication prog(facebook&twitter) spy4israel&usa???	21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1	Do they record and analyse everything we type on the internet???	21:43
qdhfgfgh3gg1	هل تتجسس برامج الشات و التواصل الاجتماعى لاسرائيل و امريكا؟؟؟؟	21:43
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dos1	aha.	21:44
lexik	interesting.	21:45
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DocScrutinizer05	idiot	21:47
DocScrutinizer05	seems it's a lame exploit on some flaw in a iOS font	21:48
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142	21:48
DocScrutinizer05	this is more exciting!	21:48
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	21:48
DocScrutinizer05	I emphasized the LTE modem option, which somehow got ignored during the last week's discussion	21:49
dos1	hmm, I can't connect to tmo	21:50
DocScrutinizer05	so finally no more PITA with carriers and the bands they support, in 3rd world mobile nation USA	21:50
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	21:50
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DocScrutinizer05	WFM	21:51
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder if xes placed you on the IP banlist ;-P	21:51
shentey	DocScrutinizer05: is there a way I can watch the progress of my package in autobuilder?	21:51
dos1	hah :D	21:51
DocScrutinizer05	shentey: there are some clumsy sources of info about what goes on in autobuilder et al	21:52
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DocScrutinizer05	usually you get a mail notification and there's also a webpage which shows the build protocols for your package, once it got processes. And there's that "last built" or whatever on mameo.org right hand in default skin, iirc. (no default skin here)	21:54
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DocScrutinizer05	dos1: can you change IP?	21:54
shentey	DocScrutinizer05: yeah, my package doesn't show up there and I didn't get an e-mail so far... so I'm wondering what the current status is	21:55
DocScrutinizer05	I'm lost, please ask freemangordon	21:56
dos1	DocScrutinizer05: yup, dynamic IP	21:56
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DocScrutinizer05	shentey: since ~12h we changed some config so I get notification mails about built packages	21:57
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dos1	and it works :)	21:59
DocScrutinizer05	>>The package autobuildertest_0.1-4_armel.changes has been succesfully uploaded and installed in th esuite fremantle. You can find the .changes file at the end of this message.<<	21:59
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shentey	DocScrutinizer05: I've now uploaded the marble sources... the autobuildertest has been building fine, I know	22:00
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DocScrutinizer05	well, you can watch load on builder VM in ganglia ;-)	22:01
shentey	got a link?	22:01
handaxe	/help	22:02
dos1	LTE? awesome!	22:03
dos1	good that it's not april today: http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2012-April/002095.html :D	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/	22:04
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DocScrutinizer05	dos1: LOL	22:07
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DocScrutinizer05	shentey: http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=builder1&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2 seems builder pretty busy since ~30min	22:08
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xes	DocScrutinizer05: ip ban ? who wants to be banned? ;-)	22:09
DocScrutinizer05	xes: you banned dos1 ;-P	22:10
* shentey remembers watching the live shell output in his browser when building for Harmattan		22:10
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DocScrutinizer05	that's a completely dufferent machine	22:11
xes	noo, i really don't think. I parsed only who was polling register.xxx	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	different even	22:11
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DocScrutinizer05	COBS	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	we don't have COBS on maemo autobuilder	22:11
dos1	xes: well, I saw 404 on register.php :D	22:11
dos1	xes: but everything's fine, I have dynamic IP and already changed it	22:12
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xes	dos1: have you at least a part of your old ip?	22:13
DocScrutinizer05	dos1: xes: it's most probably similar to new IP	22:16
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer51: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/marble_1.5.5-1/ ;)	22:17
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: ^^^	22:18
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: is LTE more standardized than umts?	22:19
kerio	also, does LTE do calls too?	22:19
dos1	kerio: LTE modems generally support GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS too :P	22:20
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freemangordon	lexik: what did you do?	22:21
DocScrutinizer05	and yes, technically LTE supports voice calls as well. Dunno how it could be any more standardized than UMTS	22:21
freemangordon	kerio: wanna try thumbified pyhton?	22:22
kerio	sure, why not	22:22
kerio	i still have no wifi tho :s	22:23
* kerio looks for his usb cable		22:23
freemangordon	I am reluctant to put it in the repo, without testing it first, but I am not much in python :)	22:23
freemangordon	kerio: ok, will put it in my ~ on merlin1991's server	22:23
kerio	k	22:23
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Win7Mac	freemangordon, saw my query yesterday?	22:24
freemangordon	Win7Mac: yep, I already asked warfare, but seems he is busy these days	22:24
Win7Mac	ok	22:25
freemangordon	kerio: uploading	22:25
kerio	freemangordon: oh, i was looking for it	22:25
freemangordon	kerio: keep in mind I didn;t touch control or changes file, just recompiled with m-thumb	22:26
freemangordon	-mtumb	22:26
freemangordon	damn :(	22:26
freemangordon	kerio: could you do some benchmarks before and after upgrade?	22:27
kerio	NO >:(	22:27
kerio	ok fine	22:27
kerio	which python is this? still 2.5.4?	22:27
kerio	how do i benchmark it?	22:27
freemangordon	yep	22:27
freemangordon	NFC	22:27
freemangordon	:D	22:27
freemangordon	oh, shit, iDont sent me new bb-power-thumb and I forgot to put it in the repo	22:28
kerio	why you	22:28
freemangordon	because he doesn't have access to the repo	22:28
kerio	no i meant like a "why you..."	22:28
freemangordon	:D	22:28
kerio	as in "why, you..."	22:28
kerio	freemangordon: the pypy dudes have tons of benchmarks	22:29
kerio	at http://speed.pypy.org/	22:31
kerio	also, why is python still 2.5 and not 2.7?	22:33
freemangordon	because this is the stock version	22:33
kerio	Python 2.7 was released on July 3rd, 2010.	22:33
kerio	Python 2.6 (final) was released on October 1st, 2008.	22:34
freemangordon	and entered extras-devel a week ago :)	22:34
freemangordon	2.7 that is	22:34
kerio	it's not even 2.7.5, it's 2.7.3rc2	22:34
kerio	for some weird reason	22:34
kerio	and it's useless	22:34
freemangordon	kerio: feel free to port it	22:34
kerio	because libraries are installed for 2.5.3	22:34
kerio	all the python- packages	22:34
freemangordon	no, it is not useless, it allows me to build modern gecko ;)	22:35
kerio	if we were a real distribution we'd just decide to update python and related packages	22:35
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freemangordon	kerio: merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/python/	22:39
kerio	that's a lot of packages	22:39
freemangordon	I guess you don't need to install dsc and tar.gz :P	22:40
shentey	looks like it just built marble-maps? hmm http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/marble/1.5.5-1/	22:41
freemangordon	yep	22:41
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shentey	that's wrong	22:42
freemangordon	hmm?	22:42
shentey	it should build 5 packages	22:42
freemangordon	give it some time	22:44
freemangordon	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/marble_1.5.5-1/armel.build.log.OK.txt	22:44
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kerio	freemangordon: ok, it runs	22:45
freemangordon	good	22:45
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shentey	yeah, looks good indeed :)	22:47
freemangordon	it takes an hour at most for the packages to land in the repo	22:47
lexik	freemangordon: i have successflly compiled FANN 2.2.0 with cmake 2.8.9 (from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89576), FANN 2.1.0 could be compiled with autotools	22:51
freemangordon	lexik: fine, but I don;t understand what is your problem :)	22:52
freemangordon	just upload it to autobuilder	22:52
freemangordon	if it is debian packaged	22:52
lexik	may i upload the >>original<< 2.1.0 version to extras-devel without >>any<< modifications?	22:53
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freemangordon	lexik: why not, if you can build it with dpkg-buildpackage	22:54
freemangordon	lexik: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo-specific_packaging_information	22:55
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freemangordon	kerio: any feedback?	23:24
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