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| raccoon_ | anyone has a rough approx on how much faster you'll drain your battery when overclocking? | 00:07 |
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| raccoon_ | is it crazy to assume a linear factor equal to the frequency increase? :-P | 00:07 |
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| RiD | yep its crazy | 00:12 |
| RiD | because of the voltages | 00:12 |
| RiD | sure the battery will drain quicker, but keep in mind the n900 does not stay at the maximum frequency all time | 00:12 |
| RiD | f.e. background music it can stay at 250mhz | 00:12 |
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| RiD | hi, what's an acceptable price for an used, screen scratch-free n900, with everything working? | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | $250? | 03:09 |
| RiD | o_o you serious? | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go see what they're selling for on eBay | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have no idea. | 03:09 |
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| RiD | im looking at local deals | 03:09 |
| RiD | "local" as in Portugal | 03:10 |
| RiD | found one for 70€ (euros), negotiable | 03:11 |
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| Win7Mac | please visit http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1369628#post1369628 share your thoughts regarding the move of HiFo and help translate GER>EN | 03:34 |
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| LjL-Alps | uh, just learned about SHR. well, what can be learned without installing it that is. how many other free OS's for my N900 (and a prospective Galaxy Nexus) am i missing, i wonder? O.o | 03:45 |
| RiD | shr? | 03:45 |
| RiD | that's new for me | 03:45 |
| LjL-Alps | RiD: http://shr-project.org/ probably related to OpenMoko, OpenEmbedded, Qtopia, Familiar, stuff like that, but i'm confused at the moment | 03:47 |
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| kwtm | I agree | 04:20 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/26/nokia_windows_rt_tablet/ | 09:34 |
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| * psycho_oreos drops a pin on the ground. | 13:01 | |
| psycho_oreos | ~seen freemangordon | 13:03 |
| infobot | freemangordon <~freemango@130-204-50-168.2074221835.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 13m 27s ago, saying: 'RiD: it is the lack of RAM that makes it slow ;)'. | 13:03 |
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| n900-dk | Sociality (facebook app) working for anyone? | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | I personally don't use it, so I wouldn't know. | 13:29 |
| lexik | just kiddie question: what is the problem with 1GB RAM on GTA04? 512 is better than 256 on n900, but it is not much.. after 2 years Neo900 will be "old"... as N900 today. | 13:30 |
| lexik | Wizzup: still opped? :D | 13:30 |
| Wizzup | seems like it | 13:32 |
| Wizzup | lexik: I would also pay for a bit more ram | 13:32 |
| psycho_oreos | I guess some people ask too much for what they're willing to pay. Making their dollar stretch further (or Euro for that matter) | 13:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | The real idea I suppose is to code memory efficient programs rather than making the whole situation MS-like. | 13:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | People will always ask more and then they would be demanding the device to also emulate <insert_some_other_hardware_here>. | 13:35 |
| * psycho_oreos looks at this PSP game emulator thread. | 13:36 | |
| Wizzup | psycho_oreos: well, if it is enough for fennec then I'm ok with it | 13:36 |
| Wizzup | ;-) | 13:36 |
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| lexik | 512 is lowend today... what about after 1? 2? 3 years? | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | Wizzup, imo the way fennec is headed.. its hardly any different to MS. | 13:37 |
| lexik | i dont want to buy every year new version of GTA0* :D | 13:38 |
| psycho_oreos | fennec was a lot faster at boot during beta days. As version increases, so did the boot time. | 13:38 |
| Wizzup | psycho_oreos: I felt it got faster | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | but it is still unusable | 13:39 |
| Wizzup | I just hope for a non-webkit browser :) | 13:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | Buy it and be happy. Afterall we are talking about embedded devices, not laptops or desktops (with the like of user-upgradeable parts) | 13:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | Wizzup: you referring to the thumb version of fennec? | 13:41 |
| Wizzup | oh, I am happy even with less ram ;-) | 13:41 |
| Wizzup | I just think it's a valid question and worth considering - if it hasn't been considered before | 13:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'd be happy if GTA-04 would have identical hardware specs as N900 but more of those extra components and maybe even speed upgrade. Ultimately, I like the project to head onto something like Neo950 (using e7 as base). I really personally like the design aesthetics of e7/N950 over N900. | 13:44 |
| psycho_oreos | once of course is if Neo900 turns out to be a hit. | 13:45 |
| discopig | hi | 13:45 |
| psycho_oreos | hi | 13:45 |
| lexik | I was just asking what is the problem... 512 is lowend today.. and with Cortex A8? for $700? eh?.. i also want to use replicant on it.. and my neural network project also needs more performance | 13:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | Last I checked with openmoko stuff, they only had dual/tri-band? N900 is quadband iinm. | 13:47 |
| psycho_oreos | I think people didn't like how N900 was "swap-tastic" :) Besides, performance comes as a price if running memory intensive tasks, multitasking or leaving device on for several days. | 13:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | I sorta hate to mention this but on the other side of fence, android devices seems to not get a massive hit on performance over several days worth of uptime. Whereas on N900 the device starts to get sluggish after a few days of uptime. At least for me the case is like that. | 13:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | I guess its also a case of YMMV as well. | 13:53 |
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| * psycho_oreos wonders if its a good idea to suggest Pali to start applying things like bfs kernel patches. Maybe the end result is neglegible. | 13:58 | |
| Hurrian | psycho_oreos: reload swaps, make a big ramdisk to push stuff out of memory | 14:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | Hurrian, I can see how the first portion would work (in fact there's a program for that, provided if setup correctly). ramdisk requires so editing to kernel bootup iinm, also not sure how is that even beneficial to force programs to swap. | 14:04 |
| Hurrian | psycho_oreos: the idea is to unload libraries and binaries cached in RAM | 14:05 |
| Hurrian | system UI things will get reloaded into RAM once you start using it | 14:05 |
| Hurrian | just make a large ramdisk, dd a big file to it, when that fils up, unload the ramdisk. | 14:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | Hurrian, size of ramdisk needs to be specified iinm at boot. Plus making a big ramdisk (something like 256M), gets stuff pushed into swap?. Hmm maybe no. | 14:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | Just looked at optimizen900 it also kills systemui (along with others) in a bid to refresh N900. | 14:13 |
| psycho_oreos | The only thing I guess missing from that idea is to flopswap. | 14:13 |
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| ShadowJK | Try run it several times quickly after eachother ;-) | 14:15 |
| psycho_oreos | pffftt... hah! | 14:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | Why not make a nice while loop at it :p | 14:17 |
| psycho_oreos | s/at/whilst at/ | 14:18 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: Why not make a nice while loop whilst at it :p | 14:18 |
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| Wizzup | phryk: I've often had my n900 on for weeks | 14:26 |
| Wizzup | ah, sorry, I meant psycho_oreos | 14:26 |
| Wizzup | psycho_oreos: without any real noticable slowdowns | 14:26 |
| Wizzup | Hurrian: why not swapoff and swapon? | 14:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | Wizzup, what about 7 days of uptime, a few microB session (on *.maemo.org), omp and getting a phone call? :) | 14:29 |
| Wizzup | psycho_oreos: I usually never shut down my n900 | 14:30 |
| Wizzup | I charge it at night, while its on | 14:30 |
| Wizzup | I use it extensively during the day | 14:30 |
| Wizzup | can go on like that for months | 14:30 |
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| psycho_oreos | Wizzup, no issues with incoming phone calls? I couldn't hang up an incoming call. Took a fair few seconds for the device to even pickup my finger pressing on the screen. | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | phryk: no, not really | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | argh | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | s/phruk/psycho_oreos/ | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | oh man :) | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | anyway, you get the point | 14:34 |
| Wizzup | Maybe try a reflash at some point? You probably have some buggy program running | 14:34 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah, I recall you did a reflash sometime ago. I won't be able to do that anytime soon (until PC gets fixed *rolls eyes*) | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | That plus the joy with all the custom made stuff go missing. | 14:37 |
| phryk | :F | 14:38 |
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| * psycho_oreos muses the thought of using two N900 to perform flashing. One with usbmode set to host and running flasher, the other is just set to flashing mode. | 14:43 | |
| Wizzup | psycho_oreos: yes, but I *had* to reflash :) | 14:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | Wizzup, yeah. That would've been fun :P lol | 14:48 |
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| dos1 | lexik: about Neo900 RAM: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1369704&postcount=112 | 14:52 |
| dos1 | LjL-Alps: anything you want to ask about SHR? ;) | 14:53 |
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| LjL-Alps | dos1: yes, is this a better place? i am connecting from a capped 3G connection, so usually i would just go and download whatever it takes, but i have to spare my bandwidth. so... does it work alright on the N900? any off-limit hardware? what's the "Aurora" image, which is much smaller than the other one? | 14:54 |
| LjL-Alps | also, i might be getting a Galaxy Nexus later - does it work well on that one? it isn't even listed on the wiki, but there's images to download | 14:55 |
| dos1 | #openmoko-cdevel is where SHR devs mainly are | 14:55 |
| dos1 | it should work on N900, but expect some glitches and non full hardware integration | 14:56 |
| dos1 | we were very enthusiastic about N900 port some time ago, but we lacked manpower to do modem integration and power management properly | 14:57 |
| lexik | dosl: thanks... im not happy from it :-/ what about swap on superfast micro-SD? | 14:57 |
| LjL-Alps | ah :\ | 14:57 |
| dos1 | LjL-Alps: but it should work somehow, might be worth trying just for the sake of playing with it | 14:58 |
| LjL-Alps | dos1: certainly worth it, but maybe i can wait until i have normal connectivity again. the Aurora thing is just 35MB though, so i could get that... not sure if it's the same thing with less built-in programs, or an actually different UI, though | 14:59 |
| dos1 | I was the first man on earth with SHR running (well... big word - "booting" is better ;)) on N900... good times :D | 14:59 |
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| dos1 | LjL-Alps: Aurora is different | 15:00 |
| dos1 | lexik: should be possible, but SDs are easy to wear off in this way | 15:00 |
| LjL-Alps | dos1: oh i get it now, i missed a part on the wiki where it says Aurora is something that "emulates a non-smartphone" | 15:01 |
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| dos1 | LjL-Alps: and about Galaxy Nexus - I have no idea. You might want to ask JaMa on #openmoko-cdevel, I think that's him who was playing with those images | 15:05 |
| LjL-Alps | dos1: ok, thanks | 15:06 |
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| lexik | dosl: okay, now im happy again :).. if i will one day own Neo900 i will for sure buy some fast SD (last time when i was looking there was SDs with 90Mega read/write) and i will use it as swap | 15:07 |
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| * psycho_oreos wonders will speed then be an issue (on the N900 bus that is). | 15:10 | |
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| ShadowJK | SDs are pretty hard to wear out. | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | And sequential speeds bear little relation to what speed it'll reach when swapping :) | 15:17 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know how long microSD last if they were to be used as swaps. Though you can hear people are avoiding swaps on SSD, of course the case here is different compared to embedded hardware. | 15:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Mine have lasted long enough to become obsolete. | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | I guess I've had 2 or 3 different since 2009 | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | 8g, 16g, etc | 15:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | *shrugs* dunno if this would be related but I have had issues with my Class 10 microSDHC. I ended up with major FS corruption. | 15:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | Hopefully, once I can get my PC up and more scratch space. I'll try and "scalp" some data out. | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | Some of them have very high latency | 15:40 |
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| ShadowJK | and time out | 15:40 |
| * psycho_oreos imagines one would need to tweak the rootdelay= kernel arg. | 15:41 | |
| ShadowJK | Unrelated | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | ... especially as maemo kernel boots up without sd or emmc drivers loaded | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | All first generation class 10 cards are like that really, take seconds to respond to non-sequential writes... benchmarks 4 times slower than a 2009 Sandisk class 2 card. | 15:42 |
| lexik | dosl: correct me if im wrong: we are --expecting-- that Neo900 will have 1GHz clocked Cortex A8 and 512mega of RAM, but the RAM size --can-- be bigger, if we were lucky | 15:45 |
| lexik | The internal storage will be 1GB (hmpf.. 32Giga MyDocs on N900, byyee) + microSD | 15:47 |
| lexik | Maybe is an good idea to create Wiki page for that and write there some info about specs to avoid questions like theese :D | 15:49 |
| dos1 | lexik: internal storage is not settled yet at all | 15:50 |
| dos1 | lexik: it might be 1GB NAND + 32GB eMMC + microSD | 15:50 |
| lexik | that sounds good | 15:50 |
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| dos1 | let's wait until Joerg and Nikolaus sit together and find out what's realistic and what's not | 15:51 |
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| lexik | By the way, what is the status of "community funded" n900 for experiments? i saw that one user on tmo is offering us his one. Also i saw some irc logs saying something about that it will be bought via the Hildon Found. PP account | 15:54 |
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| RiD | http://olx-t.imgrap.com/ui/26/82/73/441387973_6x.jpg?x=1377597847 | 16:08 |
| RiD | is the battery full, with that indicator? | 16:08 |
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| Wizzup` | seems like Wizzup's connection died | 16:41 |
| totalizator | I've bought a cheap usb charging cable for N800 and it never stops charging (even when switched off); is this ok? | 16:43 |
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| Wizzup` | DocScrutinizer51: this Wizzup` connection should be more stable ;-) | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 16:47 |
| Wizzup` | the wizzup op timed out | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm back | 16:47 |
| Wizzup` | even better | 16:47 |
| Wizzup` | now I don't need to watch the channel closely | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 16:47 |
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| Wizzup` | welcome ^^ | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reminds me to claim GC for #maemo | 16:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is terribly disorganized atm | 16:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too much on my table, not only maemo-related | 16:49 |
| lexik | DocScrutinizer05: did you PM that guy which is offering us his n900 in thread? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he asked when he might get it back | 16:49 |
| lexik | :D | 16:50 |
| lexik | maybe never, maybe after few months little augmented | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly augmented | 16:50 |
| * Wizzup` has three n900s, one with a broken usb | 16:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather as a kit ;-P | 16:50 |
| lexik | but he has a chance to get Neo900 for free :D | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also hardly | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those boards initially cost *us* >>1000EUR to produce | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually there are 2 or 3 of them | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they get shipped around from one devel to the next one, for a few days to do some specific tests. we don't have give-aways to hand out | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as much as we'd like to do that, we can't afford | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it's unclear how we can afford the proto-boards _we_ need to do | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we may need a kickstarter of raising funds for those | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/of/or/ | 16:55 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: we may need a kickstarter or raising funds for those | 16:55 |
| lexik | hm.. so? Are we going to buy N900 from HF PP? | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 16:56 |
| lexik | Hildon Foundation PayPal | 16:57 |
| lexik | :) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems this one post raises 3 questions at my side | 16:57 |
| lexik | :P | 16:57 |
| Wizzup` | I do not mind donating some money to buy a n900... | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, well. I think I will send Nikolaus one of my N900, and I fill up my shelf with a new one paid from the donations that are on my auxiliary "HF"-donation PP | 16:58 |
| lexik | okey | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just need to check if I got enough money not dedicated to maemo.org infra mantenance by donors | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or I start a new fundraiser dedicated to Neo900 | 16:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 needs mar coffee | 17:00 | |
| lexik | ^^ +1 | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moarMOAR | 17:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 desperately tries to recall why he seemingly got a full narcosis yesterday. At least head feels like that | 17:01 | |
| lexik | I'm going to make cssu-similar cube dedicated to fundraiser dedicated to Neo900 | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ??? | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cube? | 17:02 |
| lexik | brick | 17:02 |
| lexik | call it how you want | 17:02 |
| lexik | cssu banner on tmo | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you lost me | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaah | 17:02 |
| lexik | :) | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, notions towards banners are very ambivalent | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems a lot of people hate them | 17:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 has no particular notion regarding this banner topic | 17:03 | |
| lexik | also we need some graphical materials for kickstarter | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway chem|st is on holiday? | 17:04 |
| lexik | and some stupid-Horst-Fux-text | 17:04 |
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| lexik | DocScrutinizer05: how much money are you expecting from kickstarter? $200? $20000 ? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for Neo900 development kickoff? dunno, Nikolaus is the expert who has paid the bills of GTA04 development. I guess some 5k to 10k | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the initial 2 or three runs of prottypes | 17:07 |
| Apic | There ought to be a N900-Successor? | 17:07 |
| dos1 | Apic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 17:08 |
| Apic | tnx | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: you honestly missed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1369729 ? | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, dos1 beat me to it. Moinmoin dos1 :-) | 17:08 |
| Apic | Way cool! | 17:08 |
| Apic | ;-) | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dos1: many thanks for your awesome help, I guess without it I already had pulled the plug from my PC | 17:09 |
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| lexik | 10k.. thats possible.. but i dont know.. isn't indiegogo better for that purpose? (why canonical choose it for Ubuntu Edge?) | 17:10 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: moin :) | 17:11 |
| jon_y | kickstarter for a phone? | 17:11 |
| jon_y | I doubt it is going to work unless you set a few millions :( | 17:11 |
| dos1 | no problem, I really, really want to make it happen :D | 17:11 |
| dos1 | jon_y: it already worked without kickstarter -> see GTA04 | 17:12 |
| jon_y | link pls :) | 17:12 |
| dos1 | jon_y: now some donations would be needed just to be able to pay for prototypes | 17:12 |
| RiD | Wizzup` broken usb.. ugh me hates | 17:12 |
| dos1 | jon_y: see tmo link few messages above | 17:12 |
| jon_y | ? | 17:13 |
| dos1 | ~neo900 | 17:13 |
| infobot | hmm... neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 17:13 |
| dos1 | :) | 17:13 |
| lexik | :) | 17:13 |
| RiD | :) | 17:13 |
| jon_y | so do I need to go all the way to another continent to buy one? | 17:14 |
| lexik | :) :) :) :) | 17:14 |
| Apic | =) =) =) | 17:14 |
| lexik | smilies spammers? | 17:14 |
| dos1 | jon_y: what? no | 17:14 |
| jon_y | egads, the casing is ugly :( | 17:14 |
| jon_y | I'd take the one without the case thanks | 17:14 |
| lexik | ?! :DD | 17:15 |
| dos1 | jon_y: Neo900 project aims to adapt GTA04 board to upgrade it a bit, add missing peripherals and use N900 case | 17:15 |
| jon_y | dude, seriously, whats with all the wonky curves at the bottom | 17:15 |
| jon_y | it looks like a shrunken PSP | 17:15 |
| RiD | great idea | 17:16 |
| lexik | N900 or Neo Freerunner? | 17:16 |
| RiD | put your n900 inside a psp | 17:16 |
| lexik | :D | 17:16 |
| dos1 | >wonky curves at the bottom | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo 9 is <reply>see neo900 | 17:16 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~9 | 17:16 |
| infobot | methinks neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 17:16 |
| RiD | PSP Go is sort of similar! | 17:16 |
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| dos1 | so I guess Neo Freerunner | 17:16 |
| dos1 | you either love or hate that case ;) | 17:17 |
| jon_y | what no hardkeyboard | 17:17 |
| jon_y | I guess the rs232 can make up for it | 17:17 |
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| dos1 | jon_y: we're discussing here Neo900, you're talking about GTA04 as it is now | 17:17 |
| lexik | ..probably | 17:18 |
| dos1 | Neo900 will have hw keyboard, cause N900 does | 17:18 |
| jon_y | yeah, I was looking at the GTA04 | 17:18 |
| jon_y | promise me you'll ditch the ugly case :) | 17:18 |
| lexik | and Neo900 is GTA04 BOARD in N900 CASE | 17:18 |
| dos1 | GTA04 was made as a replacement mainboard for Neo Freerunner | 17:18 |
| jon_y | good | 17:18 |
| dos1 | so it uses Freerunner's case | 17:18 |
| dos1 | Neo900 aims to adapt GTA04 to use N900 case instead | 17:19 |
| jon_y | no wonder it didn't do well | 17:19 |
| RiD | i got GTA 4 | 17:19 |
| * RiD runs | 17:19 | |
| dos1 | RiD: ;) | 17:19 |
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| jon_y | so how are you suppose to get the Neo900 anyway? | 17:20 |
| dos1 | jon_y: it's in early planing stage, the idea came out just few days ago | 17:20 |
| jon_y | why not reappropriate the N-series from Nokia to spite them? :) | 17:20 |
| jon_y | N1000 | 17:20 |
| jon_y | Nokia doesn't own the letter N yet | 17:21 |
| jaska | t1000 | 17:21 |
| jon_y | sure, NX | 17:21 |
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| jon_y | or N9000 | 17:21 |
| RiD | ^ | 17:22 |
| jon_y | N900v2 for extra spite | 17:22 |
| RiD | N900² | 17:22 |
| RiD | wait, i got the perfect one. N900⁰⁰€ | 17:23 |
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| jon_y | hmm, I'm not understanding what the symbols mean | 17:23 |
| jon_y | some Euro signs? | 17:23 |
| lexik | stop it. It is Neo900. The End. | 17:24 |
| dos1 | N-over9000 | 17:24 |
| LjL-Alps | Ggggnnnnnnnnnn900 | 17:24 |
| lexik | Trinity900 | 17:24 |
| jon_y | sure, how do I smuggle these over international borders? | 17:24 |
| jon_y | tax rate is insane here | 17:24 |
| jon_y | up to 100% for "sample" units | 17:25 |
| lexik | Smith900 | 17:25 |
| lexik | No. Neo is da best. | 17:25 |
| jon_y | I need to fly over to another continent to get it, probably :( | 17:25 |
| lexik | To get what? | 17:26 |
| lexik | Neo900 is now just a thread+idea | 17:26 |
| jon_y | if the Neo900 does get released | 17:26 |
| lexik | where are you from | 17:26 |
| lexik | ? | 17:26 |
| jon_y | South East Asia | 17:26 |
| RiD | we need a female n900 | 17:27 |
| RiD | Nina900 | 17:27 |
| RiD | Nina-nehundred | 17:27 |
| jon_y | I am already having a hard time finding anything that isn't LG, Samsung or Apple | 17:27 |
| jon_y | so far I have only seen 2 other N900 in the wild | 17:28 |
| jon_y | no one has heard of it | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2013-08-27 16:20:48] <dos1> jon_y: it's in early planing stage, the idea came out just few days ago)) actually Ihad that idea for several months, but I finally did the "public kickoff" 2 days ago | 17:43 |
| dos1 | yeah, so it "came out" to the public ;) | 17:43 |
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| Wizzup` | so have there been attempts of porting maemo to an existing, say, android device? | 17:44 |
| Wizzup` | it would be interesting to see if it could be running on the droid series for example | 17:45 |
| dos1 | droid phones are pretty much locked up | 17:46 |
| Wizzup` | ah, ok | 17:46 |
| dos1 | and it's harder to port to andoid phones anyway | 17:46 |
| Wizzup` | yes, but I think mer runs on some, or was that only the tablet? | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup`: see http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started | 17:49 |
| Wizzup` | I see | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not insane idea to port fremantle to a new hw platform. It's difficult to make *all* peripherals work, particularly modem. It's probably futile to try and make GPS "as we know it2 work on any new platform, since GPS is hooked up to BB5 modem on N900 | 17:51 |
| Wizzup` | yes, I understand some core components might not work | 17:51 |
| Wizzup` | I was mostly thinking of the general env - not so much gsm stack etc | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on GTA04-n900 aka Neo900 we are free to adapt hw to some degree so we make it easier to adapt sw/kernel to that hardware | 17:52 |
| Wizzup` | we are getting a new kernel on it right? | 17:52 |
| Wizzup` | what is the gpu on it? | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, we need a "new" kernel to catch up all the little hw differences between N900 and Neo900 | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GPU is in SoC, so identical | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless we go for OMAP4 | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (which we won't do, for exactly that reason, among others) | 17:54 |
| Wizzup` | so powervr | 17:54 |
| Wizzup` | ok | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we got a ex-Nokia kernel developer already as volunteer who's willing to help on porting the fremantle kernel to new platform | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so if even ex-Nokia kernel devels think the idea is worth it.... | 18:01 |
| Apic | Kewl | 18:01 |
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| Wizzup` | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I just really dislike the powervr :p | 18:01 |
| Wizzup` | mali would be nice... but I don't think OMAP uses anything but powervr | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, who doesn't | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's what we got, and we need to work with it | 18:02 |
| Wizzup` | :) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this project isn't about inventing a leete new OS with bleeding edge kernel and other core functions, that somehow looks like maemo | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody planning to do that is free to start such project any time, without help from me or other GTA04 and Openmoko related persons | 18:04 |
| LjL-Alps | what's wrong with the PowerVR? (since i might just buy a phone that also uses it) | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #1: closed drivers, aiui | 18:04 |
| LjL-Alps | ah well, they all have those though :( | 18:04 |
| LjL-Alps | unless Lima pulls something good off | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even openmoko / GTA04 was able to provide FOSS drivers for it | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mali400 I heard has semi-open drivers | 18:05 |
| LjL-Alps | i don't know about semi-open, i know there's this "Lima" project to create open ones | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see NovaThor | 18:05 |
| Wizzup` | DocScrutinizer05: I have a mali 400, the lima driver is not ready | 18:06 |
| Wizzup` | they have working 3d and stuff, but no X - yet | 18:06 |
| Wizzup` | but it's a lot more promising than mali | 18:06 |
| Wizzup` | there's also freedrone | 18:06 |
| Wizzup` | freedreno | 18:06 |
| Wizzup` | and I think there's also some decent work for the snapdragons? | 18:06 |
| Wizzup` | freedreno is most advanced | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, I just asked inside ST-Ericsson about what I could do to help dm8tbr and co about some GPL-issue with a .h for mali400 | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mean I looked into the mali400 linux driver project closely | 18:07 |
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| Wizzup` | DocScrutinizer05: I am using a mali for my desktop right now :-) | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | about that .h file for NovaThor, it been OSS but not FOSS, means ST-Ericsson didn't feel like GPLing it | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is terribly silly | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course the FOSS community said "either GPL or we won't touch it" ;-P | 18:10 |
| Wizzup` | oh right | 18:10 |
| Wizzup` | I wanted to ask -- I have another ``half'' n900 | 18:10 |
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| Wizzup` | Mainly: the top part of a n900 | 18:10 |
| Wizzup` | I think the digitizer is broken, but the lcd still works I think | 18:11 |
| Wizzup` | I want to see if I can somehow use the lcd from another device ... I guess I'll have to research the connector | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 18:11 |
| Wizzup` | yeah, nvm | 18:12 |
| Wizzup` | I'll think about it a bit more and come with a concrete q | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you want to use it FOR another project? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not use some LCD _from_ another project | 18:13 |
| Wizzup` | well, I just want to send data to it and see it display something | 18:13 |
| Wizzup` | no, I have a spare-n900 lcd | 18:13 |
| Wizzup` | no particular project, just for fun | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~schem | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~schematics | 18:14 |
| infobot | well, schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic | 18:14 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: are there any chances to get 1-2GB ram into the Neo900? | 18:15 |
| RiD | 2? calm down | 18:17 |
| RiD | this aint android | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: yet to be evaluated | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on SoC (since RAM is in PoP) | 18:18 |
| cehteh | i tihnk the point is more availability than price | 18:18 |
| cehteh | yes | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I dunno if OMAP3 even supports >512RAM | 18:19 |
| cehteh | me neither | 18:19 |
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| cehteh | would be nice though .. and prolly only a few bucks more expensive | 18:19 |
| RiD | with 2GB i'd keep all apps I use open | 18:20 |
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| cehteh | well they prolly suck power as well, not so good idea, but i think it should aim for as much as possible ram as doable (availability and price) | 18:21 |
| RiD | shouldn't suck that much... i guess | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | N9 is omap3 | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | isn't it? | 18:22 |
| wmarone | yup | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I probably should've said "I dunno if DM3730 can have PoP with more than 512MB RAM" | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and I wouldn't go for TI OMAP4 ever, it has nasty SiErr that is WONTFIX for OMAP4 | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not coming back from idle on GPIO-IRQ | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which makes everything a monster PITA, I had my share of fun for making HSI interface work | 18:58 |
| * LjL-Alps shudders, since that's what his prospective Galaxy Nexus mounts | 18:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "bug: AP doesn't awake on modem activity" | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "bug: modem log buffer overflow" | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "bug: HSI freezing" | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TI: "wontfix in OMAP4, sheduled fix in OMAP5" | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOLWUT?!!?? | 19:01 |
| dos1 | I've found that DM3730 supports up to 4Gb RAM - so now... was that really Gb (512 MB) or mistyped GB? ;x | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to only happen when certain patterns of active and passive blocks on SoC | 19:02 |
| dos1 | looks like Gb - http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/davinci_digital_media_processors/f/537/t/281576.aspx | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | been there, checked that | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | matter of addr pins on PoP interface | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | 4g ram is in practice not doable either, I/O takes up much address space | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wasn't all sure, so I said "I dunno..." instead of "it doesn't..." | 19:04 |
| dos1 | what do memory makers mean by "Meg" and "Gig"? ... | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually 2^N | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl, have to run | 19:06 |
| dos1 | yeah, but "1 Gig" - is it gigabyte? gigabit? I hate that :/ | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bit | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most usually bit | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since memmaker doesn't care about wordsize of AP | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can be byte, 16bit, even 18bit, whatever | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so mem size is usually *bit | 19:08 |
| dos1 | k | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 19:08 |
| dos1 | makes some sense | 19:08 |
| dos1 | cya | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | re | 19:34 |
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| Lithdk | You guys seem pretty competent. I wanna try archlinux on my laptop, but I gotta use it for a 1 week work course in 2 weeks. Will it destroy my hardware if I forget to install something? Like hw monitors/sensors, not enabling or installing modules etc. or will I just be able to revert back to crunchbang if I screw up? | 20:07 |
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| lexik | heh.. offtopic, but: probably no. however Arch Linux is well documented, so dont worry | 20:11 |
| lexik | if you will forget some driver, for example, it will "just not work" | 20:12 |
| Lithdk | Well I can just wipe the HD and install another distro then right? | 20:13 |
| lexik | [/offtopic] | 20:13 |
| lexik | yes | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:13 |
| Lithdk | And sorry for the off-topic. Competent people are hard to come by | 20:13 |
| Lithdk | Thanks | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* "destroy" your whataver-crap installation invented in redmond though, when you do not take care during repartitioning the HD | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. take care of your windows (and maybe recovery) partitions | 20:14 |
| Lithdk | dont have windows | 20:15 |
| Lithdk | Crap laptop, and CrunchBang is not light enough | 20:15 |
| lexik | crunchbag is not light enough?!?! :D | 20:16 |
| Lithdk | It's really really bad. But I only use it once every blue moon for libreoffice | 20:16 |
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| lexik | if crunchbag is not light enough, maybe try Gentoo | 20:17 |
| Lithdk | So if I can get arch working I can decide how light-weight it'll be and get some experience | 20:17 |
| Lithdk | Yeah I dont got the time for that :P | 20:18 |
| lexik | what about Puppy Linux? it is ugly (just like from '95) but EXTREMELY lightweight | 20:19 |
| lexik | or Damn small linux / Tiny core linux? | 20:19 |
| Lithdk | Yeah but I'd get some experience from arch and wouldn't have to ask stupid questions like these anymore | 20:20 |
| lexik | No you can't destroy your HW, if you will fsck something up, you can recover it via some livecd distr | 20:21 |
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| lexik | also you can play with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81892 | 20:23 |
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| Lithdk | Exactly ^^ Was also on of the reasons I wanted to try arch on a laptop first | 20:23 |
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| lexik | My first experience with Arch Linux was that :) | 20:25 |
| lexik | Now i'm going to get X working | 20:25 |
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| lexik | after that i'm going to play with Gentoo :) | 20:27 |
| lexik | also interesting: http://wiki.maemo.org/Gentoo/N900 | 20:28 |
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| kerio | ~pr131 | 20:55 |
| infobot | somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 20:55 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: ^ | 20:55 |
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| Lithdk | First time Im in chroot. Can I install things while chrooted into a system? | 21:07 |
| Lithdk | Installing arch and sh: nano: command not found. | 21:08 |
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| kick-buttowski | hello there | 21:13 |
| kick-buttowski | is there a way to receive push notifications from ZNC in maemo ? | 21:13 |
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| Sicelo | push notifications? what are those? | 21:19 |
| kick-buttowski | instead of your device initiate a connection to a remote server to see if there's new info | 21:21 |
| kick-buttowski | the central/remote server pushes that to your device | 21:22 |
| kick-buttowski | so if someone says your name in IRC you get notified instantly | 21:22 |
| kick-buttowski | instead of after 5 minutes when you pull for the data from your device | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kick-buttowski: yes, I think there's some mail service for that in ZNC1.9 | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1.0 even | 21:23 |
| kick-buttowski | imagined as much | 21:24 |
| kick-buttowski | but an email seems expensive for something like this | 21:24 |
| kick-buttowski | and was wondering if maemo had stuff like this | 21:24 |
| kick-buttowski | https://github.com/jreese/znc-push | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what else could ZNC possibly do? it doesn't know what's the IP of your client | 21:24 |
| kick-buttowski | that's right, znc needs to be hooked to a service | 21:25 |
| kick-buttowski | there are a lot of those for iOS and android | 21:25 |
| kick-buttowski | because push is heavily used there | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | push is a fuzzy term, used for glorified obfuscated pull services | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no technical means to "push" sth to a mobile device with changing IP | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the mobile *always* needs to do some form of pull | 21:28 |
| kick-buttowski | that's correct, but I'm not trying to argue semantics here | 21:28 |
| dos1 | well, the device makes connection to server | 21:28 |
| dos1 | but preserves it, so then server can "push" | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even for SMS based push the mobile does "pull" by registering to the network | 21:28 |
| kick-buttowski | that's the term that's been widely adopted and I have no interest in changing it :) | 21:28 |
| dos1 | so there's some pull (making connection), but it's a bit different than standard pulling or even long polling | 21:29 |
| kick-buttowski | in anycase even if it's not 100% pull and does require the device to at some point register itself | 21:29 |
| kick-buttowski | it's not like a mail client logging in via IMAP every 10 minutes | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you can call all that's going on between ZNC and IRC client ass "push" already | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ass/as/ | 21:30 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: so you can call all that's going on between ZNC and IRC client as "push" already | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kick-buttowski: yes, it's exactly that | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your IRC client "logs in" to ZNC and every now and then sends a keep-alive-ping (every 180s or sth). Everything else is already PUSH | 21:31 |
| kick-buttowski | i think you are looking at it the wrong way | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to keep a connection to a mobile roaming device, the device needs to send NAT keep alive packets every few minutes | 21:33 |
| dos1 | right | 21:33 |
| dos1 | "push notifications" technically are just as simple as that | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else that's sent from a server to that device via any such conection is "push" | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you use "out of band" signalling like e.g. SMS | 21:34 |
| dos1 | in browsers they are commonly implemented as just persistent HTTP connections | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which as well need keep-alive | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or otherwise NAT session will time out and your persistent HTTP connection is moot | 21:35 |
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| kick-buttowski | this has gone way off topic :) | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IRC protocol is perfectly meeting all the definitions of a push service | 21:36 |
| kick-buttowski | it's not if irc is push or not | 21:37 |
| kick-buttowski | for instance on my android device I don't have IRC client open at all times | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, so you use mail based "push" service that notifies you that somebody on IRC has highlighted your nick | 21:38 |
| kick-buttowski | I use notify my android which has a very small service that receives push notifications from various sources | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe not mail based by´ut any other polling/pulling protocol | 21:38 |
| kick-buttowski | if I used the mail client I would get those notifications every time minutes which is when the mail client connects to the server | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/by'/b/ | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/by´/b/ | 21:39 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: or maybe not mail based but any other polling/pulling protocol | 21:39 |
| kick-buttowski | using email in itself is not really a problem | 21:39 |
| kick-buttowski | but it does seem like overkill to me | 21:39 |
| kick-buttowski | coming from the android world | 21:39 |
| kick-buttowski | specially if you are popular :p | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, does you CLIENT support any other push service than mail? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly, more lightweight than IRC protocol already is | 21:40 |
| kick-buttowski | you mean my IRC client ? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or your whole client side OS | 21:42 |
| kick-buttowski | android and iOS have push service | 21:42 |
| kick-buttowski | some from google/apple directly | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to use *some* protocil to pull the supposedly pushed notification | 21:42 |
| kick-buttowski | and some from third parties like notify my android | 21:42 |
| kick-buttowski | I have no idea about maemo | 21:42 |
| kick-buttowski | and that's what I orginially set out for | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo doesn't support any "push" protocols except for Nokia mail afaik, and of course SMS | 21:43 |
| Sicelo | and MS Exchange ;) | 21:44 |
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| kick-buttowski | so the best bet is to use mails | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, for any "push" service the initiative has to come from your client, which needs to *poll* the "push"-service | 21:44 |
| kick-buttowski | something like https://github.com/bgirard/znc-cmd-notify | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IRC itself is a almost perfect protocol for that | 21:45 |
| kick-buttowski | to just send out an email when something happens that you care | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably more lightweight than POP3 or IMAP | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so, instead of using for example POP3 to poll your mail every 10 minutes to learn about any "push" event, you as well can start your IRC client every 10 minutes and pull new stuff from ZNC directly | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm busy with other topics. cya | 21:49 |
| kick-buttowski | thanks | 21:49 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fwiw, we already theorized the mobile irc bouncer, didn't we | 22:05 |
| kerio | notify the bouncer on screen blank to stop sending stuff except in case of nickpings | 22:06 |
| kerio | send scrollback in bulk every 2 minutes | 22:06 |
| kerio | so you can idle on irc for free | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ShadowJK(?) actually already implemented something almost similar, by simply tweaking netfilters | 22:10 |
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| lexik | DocScrutinizer05: A BIG problem about Neo900: Nokia. Mass production? eeh... Nokia is an pattent troll, and what we are going to do, is that we are going to sell modified Nokia's.... | 22:48 |
| lexik | In my opinion, we will need a good lawyer :/ | 22:49 |
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| lexik | Mass production is impossible, imho. | 22:51 |
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| RiD | lexik they dont care for the n900 | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq, we're not selling anything Nokia related | 22:56 |
| RiD | heck, they mass produce it | 22:56 |
| RiD | you then install the os on it, and get the case | 22:56 |
| RiD | it could be a bit of a problem if it came with fremantle already | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which it won't | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're also not infringing any patents Nokia could troll us | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia *could* try to sue the hongkong sellers of the space cases | 23:00 |
| lexik | However we will have to develop special edition of fremantle for Neo... | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since at least the white and golden ones are knockoffs for sure | 23:00 |
| nox- | Neo900? whats that? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 23:01 |
| lexik | ~neo900 | 23:01 |
| infobot | hmm... neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 | 23:01 |
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| lexik | good :) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lexik: for the 1000th time: fremantle is FOSS plus a few blobs the community may redistribute freely | 23:01 |
| nox- | hmm interesting... | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's not GolDeliCo working on fremantle neo port, it's the community | 23:02 |
| lexik | i know that fact.. but next CSSU must be compatible with both devices | 23:03 |
| lexik | n900 and neo900 | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GolDeliCo doesn't do software, we don't even have the manpower for that | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lexik: please gimme a break, I can't take more of your nagging | 23:04 |
| lexik | WE (aka the Maemo Community) will have to delop SW for it, i know :) ;) | 23:04 |
| RiD | speaking of that, i'm gonna chunk 55€ on an used n900 | 23:05 |
| RiD | hopefully i do cool stuff with the usb ._. | 23:05 |
| RiD | this time it'll be soldered | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW I'm just chatting with FatPhil in other channel. He#s ex-Nokia kernel developer helping to port fremantle to the new platform | 23:06 |
| lexik | saw him on tmo, cool :) | 23:06 |
| lexik | RiD: dont talk me about usb :D tommorow im going to try repair mine "_" | 23:08 |
| RiD | how broken is yours? :P | 23:09 |
| RiD | mine had the pads all good, but then the idiot who tried to repair it ruined the pads | 23:09 |
| RiD | so now only doing some alternative wiring | 23:09 |
| RiD | like oh2btg's fix | 23:09 |
| lexik | pads on board are okay... | 23:09 |
| lexik | so i will try to "just solder it" | 23:09 |
| RiD | ah good luck, wish mine was like that | 23:10 |
| lexik | Also i have 20 microusb's from dx.com, if someone from Czech or Slovakia wants some, i can give it him for free :D | 23:10 |
| lexik | argh.. *19 microusb's | 23:11 |
| RiD | i guess it'll be 15 | 23:11 |
| RiD | since you'll ruin quite a few | 23:11 |
| * RiD runs | 23:11 | |
| lexik | :P | 23:11 |
| lexik | I hope it'll be 19 :P | 23:11 |
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| raccoon_ | so, what's the best option to keep those usb micro critters in place after some times use? epoxy? | 23:21 |
| RiD | no | 23:21 |
| RiD | ~usb | 23:22 |
| infobot | methinks usb is Unusable Serial Bus. Useless Serial Bus. Ugly Stupid Bus | 23:22 |
| RiD | ~microusb | 23:22 |
| RiD | useless bot | 23:22 |
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| raccoon_ | ~usbmicro | 23:22 |
| RiD | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920&highlight=fix+usb | 23:23 |
| RiD | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 is better | 23:23 |
| RiD | follow any of the soldering down guides | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix | 23:32 |
| infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys usb | 23:32 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'usb' by key (17 of 46): 2.4.18 usbnet ;; between the husbandryman and the historian ;; musb ;; new usbdnet ;; pam_usb ;; rdiff-backup-usbstorage ;; uk usb keyboards ;; uk usb keyoards ;; usb ;; usb backport ;; usb cdburner ;; usb howto ;; usb master ;; usb mice ;; usb mouse ;; usb patch ;; usb-brush. | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget between the husbandryman and the historian | 23:33 |
| infobot | i forgot between the husbandryman and the historian, DocScrutinizer05 | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget uk usb keyoards | 23:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot uk usb keyoards | 23:33 |
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| raccoon_ | ok cool! thansk for the info | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 23:35 |
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| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 infobot is your pet, isn't it? | 23:36 |
| RiD | you take care of it everyday | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yoh | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 23:37 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: :) | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, I got so used to using it that I pestered TimRiker too often when it been gone or buggy. So he gave me +o | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for some weird reason he thought I wouldn't abuse that ;-P | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | downside: I can't tell her ~die anymore | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | she takes that too literally | 23:39 |
| RiD | oh it's a she | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gender | 23:40 |
| infobot | I'm hermaphroditic | 23:40 |
| RiD | ouch | 23:40 |
| RiD | well but i can | 23:40 |
| RiD | ~die | 23:40 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 23:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~attack RiD | 23:40 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing RiD | 23:40 | |
| RiD | "she's" | 23:40 |
| RiD | it's time | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rape RiD | 23:41 |
| * RiD runs for his life | 23:41 | |
| * infobot takes RiD behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 23:41 | |
| RiD | ok that's just horrible | 23:41 |
| RiD | raped by a hermaphorditi | 23:41 |
| RiD | typos | 23:41 |
| RiD | gotta get RiD (lol) of the bad habit of pressing enter too early | 23:42 |
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