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| lexik | So ive just read the "Saera thread" and ive started thinking about a "true" AI :) here is what im going to play with: www.pybrain.org | 00:14 |
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| lexik | but i seriously have no idea how powerful it could be on N900 HW... maybe create a grid of n900 and make a decetralized n900 based brain :D.. ok.. thats utopy but im going to take a look on it.. it could be interesting | 00:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~seen Pali | 00:52 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 18m ago, saying: 'kerio: provide output of hal-device bme'. | 00:52 |
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| LjL-Alps | 1) is it typically worth to make some adjustments to the default Maemo 5 swap parameters, and if so, are the parameters suggested by Swappolube any good? 2) does compcache at least tend to not make matter worse? | 01:55 |
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| HtheB | robbiethe1st: hi | 03:59 |
| HtheB | how are you? | 04:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Hi there | 04:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Did I tell you? the second/third or w/e package didn't come as of last Sunday that i know of | 04:00 |
| robbiethe1st | I'll check this weekend | 04:00 |
| HtheB | could be, I just had some message from ebay that they were just sent | 04:01 |
| HtheB | (just marked as sent) | 04:01 |
| HtheB | still no hurries.. :D | 04:01 |
| HtheB | dont worry | 04:01 |
| HtheB | (thats the enjoyment of completing a collection) | 04:01 |
| HtheB | it takes time ^_^ | 04:01 |
| HtheB | and patience :D | 04:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Patience? | 04:01 |
| robbiethe1st | I ain't got no patience! | 04:02 |
| HtheB | O_O | 04:02 |
| HtheB | =( | 04:02 |
| robbiethe1st | 's why I got annoyed about not being able to pass people in my '88 Diesel truck, and threw my new turbo on last weekend | 04:02 |
| robbiethe1st | Instead of, you know, waiting until I had all the parts right etc. | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | So it's missing a gasket or two, there's no exhaust in the truck.. | 04:03 |
| HtheB | no exhaust? | 04:03 |
| HtheB | kinda hard to drive eh | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | Why? | 04:03 |
| robbiethe1st | It's a bit loud, but... | 04:03 |
| HtheB | what kind of a truck is it? | 04:04 |
| robbiethe1st | The outflow pipe from the turbo basically stops right at the bottom of the engine. just open from there | 04:04 |
| HtheB | pick up? | 04:04 |
| HtheB | Monster truck? :D | 04:04 |
| robbiethe1st | 88 F250: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/Rescue-20130520/20130519_007.jpg | 04:05 |
| robbiethe1st | Nicotine yellow/brown truck in front | 04:05 |
| HtheB | pickup it is | 04:05 |
| robbiethe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/truck/20130804_010.jpg | 04:05 |
| robbiethe1st | engine | 04:05 |
| HtheB | classic | 04:06 |
| robbiethe1st | 7.3L idi, mechanical injection. | 04:06 |
| HtheB | mech injection | 04:06 |
| HtheB | yeah | 04:06 |
| robbiethe1st | It's cool because the engine can be made to run without any power what so ever. | 04:06 |
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| HtheB | yeah | 04:06 |
| HtheB | how much did this cost you? | 04:07 |
| robbiethe1st | Free(sort of) - got it from my parents, because they weren't using it. It cost them $2500 a few years back | 04:07 |
| robbiethe1st | However, I've probably put $1500 into it so far | 04:08 |
| HtheB | how much worth is it not? | 04:08 |
| HtheB | now* | 04:08 |
| robbiethe1st | Nothing? Nah, probably a good $1500, perhaps $2000 in scrap/parts | 04:08 |
| robbiethe1st | It's a vehicle that will never be sold for money. It's a driver, and that's it. | 04:09 |
| HtheB | well, maybe for a classic lover? | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | When it's no longer useful(crashed, or whatever), I'll pull whatever parts I want off of it and put it in the weeds as a spare parts truck | 04:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Nah, these things are common as dirt over here - You can find ones in much better shape than mine on craigslist all the time | 04:10 |
| robbiethe1st | What it is, though, is a daily driver. | 04:10 |
| robbiethe1st | To me, it's worth a good 5-8K+, as I'd have to spend that much to get a compariable vehicle | 04:10 |
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| robbiethe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/truck/20130528_004.jpg dash | 04:17 |
| robbiethe1st | with my mods | 04:18 |
| robbiethe1st | sorry, http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/truck/20130528_005.jpg | 04:18 |
| HtheB | nice | 04:28 |
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| HtheB | i have a Mitsubish Colt | 04:31 |
| HtheB | Cz3 | 04:31 |
| HtheB | http://fotos.marktplaats.com/kopen/9/c0/Zw6zC9QRMl77erpIExl4oA==.jpg | 04:32 |
| HtheB | yes, a white car :P | 04:32 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm, a speed bump | 04:37 |
| robbiethe1st | <_< | 04:37 |
| robbiethe1st | Sorry | 04:37 |
| RST38h | robbie: What do you do with those wall switches? | 04:38 |
| robbiethe1st | Replace original functions - left two are Windshield wipers (on/off) (high/low) | 04:38 |
| robbiethe1st | The white one is "main power", button next to it is for the starter | 04:39 |
| robbiethe1st | Bypassed the original starter switch circuit due to the silly interlock preventing you from cranking it with the clutch out | 04:40 |
| RST38h | robbie: you obviously need larger, more menacing buttons | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | (and, therefor, preventing you from moving it with the starter, if needed) | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | RST38h, yeah, I've been thinking about it | 04:40 |
| RST38h | standard issue US wall switches just don't cut it | 04:40 |
| robbiethe1st | But they do bring nerd cred. Nobody talks about toggle switches "Oh, it's just another toggle switch" | 04:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Light switches, however... | 04:41 |
| robbiethe1st | Everyone I've shown it to has asked about them | 04:41 |
| RST38h | robbie: http://electronebo.ru/electronebo/img/pv3_16m156.jpg | 04:42 |
| RST38h | robbie: and install 'em on vertical aluminium pipes painted red | 04:42 |
| robbiethe1st | heh | 04:42 |
| robbiethe1st | What I *really* want to do is find one of the start switches for here: http://www.purplewaveauction.com/i/a/2012/20120516midwest/V9059.JPG | 04:43 |
| robbiethe1st | (right side, halfway down the generator) | 04:43 |
| RST38h | naaaah | 04:43 |
| robbiethe1st | metal handle/knob, has off/on/start position and is just good and "solid" | 04:44 |
| RST38h | http://cs-cs.net/wp-uploads/2013/03/Paketn01-Title.jpg | 04:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Old ones | 04:45 |
| RST38h | they don't make new ones as they used to =) | 04:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Yeah | 04:45 |
| RST38h | http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/polytechnic/1302-40.jpg | 04:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Hell, those house switches are probably 10-30 years old, so... | 04:46 |
| RST38h | actually the easiest thing will be to steal a whole trolley switch panel somewhere | 04:48 |
| RST38h | with 20-30 switches on it =) | 04:48 |
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| robbiethe1st | heh | 04:53 |
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| ecc3g | ls | 07:50 |
| ecc3g | clear | 07:50 |
| ecc3g | aaah | 07:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | fennec has become quite bloated. I wonder how much more longer does it take for a non-thumb user to try and load up the latest fennec (17.0) | 09:11 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: hmm, why not promote KP51r1 to testing? | 11:42 |
| Pali | because kp51r1 is old? | 11:42 |
| Pali | kp52 should be there | 11:42 |
| Pali | then we can see bug reports against old kp51 version | 11:42 |
| freemangordon | Pali: hmm, is KP52 stable enough? | 11:44 |
| Pali | yes | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | if it is, just promote it | 11:45 |
| Pali | kp52 is missing in interface :-( | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | is it? | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | oh, it is | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: are you aware I am the autobuilder maintainer? | 11:46 |
| Pali | yes | 11:46 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: hmm http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/kernel-power-flasher/2.6.28-10power52/ | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | oh, missing dependencies :( | 11:47 |
| Pali | only flasher is there | 11:47 |
| Pali | other v52 packages are missing | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | Pali: we should fix that, once and for all | 11:48 |
| Pali | ok :-) | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | Pali: how did older version appear? | 11:50 |
| Pali | some automatically and some X-Fade imported manually | 11:50 |
| freemangordon | i see | 11:50 |
| freemangordon | hmm, going to check the import script | 11:52 |
| wnd | btw what is the preferred way to back everything up (as in restoring entire system would be as automated as possible) before trying out cssu-thumb? | 11:54 |
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| nun | can anyone upload kp 51r1 zimage please | 12:15 |
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| psycho_oreos | backupmenu | 12:19 |
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| kerio | wnd: backupmenu | 12:33 |
| kerio | nun: no, it's older than dirt | 12:33 |
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| nun | thanks kerio used bootimg and got it | 12:38 |
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| wnd | psycho_oreos, kerio, thanks, that's what I thought. Flash the stock image, install kp, backupmenu, restore from backup? I suppose N900 doesn't load the kernel from fs. | 12:41 |
| kerio | wnd: you suppose correctly | 12:42 |
| kerio | at least until the second-to-latest version, backupmenu didn't restore the kernel | 12:42 |
| kerio | the kernel mtd partition, that is | 12:42 |
| kerio | and by default, the kernel is stored there | 12:42 |
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| kerio | so to restore a backup, you have to reinstall the matching kernel manually | 12:44 |
| kerio | or at least A kernel with the installed modules | 12:44 |
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| * lexik is installing the PyBrain on his n900 now.. | 13:39 | |
| * psycho_oreos ponders if its possible to add backing up of kernel as a feature request to backupmenu. /dev/mtd3 gets backed up into a file via dd and is restored via dd if somehow /dev/mtd3 has a checksum mismatch. | 13:40 | |
| psycho_oreos | lexik, did you see my previous message about not being able to register? | 13:41 |
| lexik | maybe | 13:41 |
| psycho_oreos | What do you mean maybe? that doesn't make any sense. | 13:41 |
| lexik | im not sure if i saw some stuff related to TMO register problems :) | 13:42 |
| lexik | (from you) | 13:42 |
| lexik | i know there is an issue on bugzilla about it | 13:42 |
| lexik | any news? | 13:42 |
| psycho_oreos | I filed a bug. | 13:42 |
| psycho_oreos | One person has reported updating firefox would work to 23.0 | 13:42 |
| psycho_oreos | There are potentially other browsers you might want to try and see if you can avert the problem. | 13:43 |
| psycho_oreos | I've also noted down on bugzilla a fairly comprehensive list of browsers one can try whilst on N900. | 13:43 |
| lexik | i know only about microb, fennec and chromium from jacekowski :) i will try some other browsers... | 13:44 |
| lexik | but its weird its caused by browser | 13:45 |
| lexik | is it some kind of bot protection or so? | 13:46 |
| lexik | or "just" bug? (sry, feature?) | 13:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | I am not particularly sure myself, I was thinking that there might be a remote possibility to do with webkit or browser's engine to not function. Though what you mentioned maybe possible but I'm not certain on it. | 13:50 |
| lexik | how i said.. i will try some other browsers (or update the chrome on the XP box) and let you know.. | 13:51 |
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| lexik | fuuuu... i have to install scipy to get pybrain working -_- | 13:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | On second thoughts about what you said to prevent spammers. I'd say it would be somewhat unlikely considering how there's people that might still be using certain versions of browsers. If that were to be the case I'm sure bugzila would be filled with <insert_name_of_browser> being banned. | 13:59 |
| psycho_oreos | I did see for a couple of times once the user agrees to terms and conditions, amongst all the regular things the user needs to fill out, there's a captcha image there. I'm guessing that's the only way to prevent spammers with automated registration processes. | 14:00 |
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| LjL-Alps | is it typically worth making changes to swappiness and other parameters (and if so, are the ones proposed by Swappolube any good)? and is compcache worth a shot? | 14:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | I was told swappolube proposed config is nice. | 15:08 |
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| kerio | psycho_oreos: don't EVER use dd to read from a mtd partition | 15:11 |
| kerio | Pali: does your uboot only ever read bootmenu.scr from the first partition of the emmc? | 15:14 |
| kerio | or does it try multiple places? | 15:14 |
| Pali | kerio: https://gitorious.org/u-boot-shr/u-boot/blobs/master/include/configs/nokia_rx51.h#line370 | 15:16 |
| Pali | only first partition | 15:16 |
| kerio | :c | 15:17 |
| kerio | Pali: can't you make it also try the other partitions, in order? | 15:17 |
| kerio | it would be neat | 15:18 |
| kerio | because you could put bootmenu.scr and bootmenu.img.d in /home | 15:18 |
| kerio | and it would get backed up by backupmenu | 15:18 |
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| kerio | ~pali | 15:38 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 15:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | kerio, then what are your proposals to read /dev/mtd3? | 15:41 |
| kerio | nanddump | 15:41 |
| kerio | and nandwrite to write it | 15:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | Hmm heard of that from somewhere. | 15:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | mtd-utils? | 15:49 |
| kerio | yup | 15:50 |
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| qwerty123 | vkb dsnt work in fennec 8.0?? | 16:16 |
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| qwerty123 | any way to make it work??! | 16:27 |
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| kerio | drive-by irc | 16:48 |
| auenf | yes, leaving before the answer is the correct way to make it work | 16:49 |
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| LjL-Alps | speaking of virtual keyboards, is there some trick to making FastSMS-as-a-keyboard work? i also have the input method selector control panel installed, and the fastsms module is selected, but i still see the default hildon one | 17:13 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 17:53 |
| DrCode | I have bout new can that have option to download contacts | 17:53 |
| DrCode | I can connect to blue tooth but can download contacts to my car, any idea? | 17:54 |
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| halt | Hi guys, I saw some demo about the maemo but cloud not find any recent phone with it, what is the most recent one, I found one which I like but could not find anywhere ( N950 from Nokia ) | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | halt: get n900 | 18:06 |
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| ShadowJK | N950 was never sold | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | halt: N950 has faster CPU and more RAM, but that is all it has more than n900. | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: well you can buy on ebay :) | 18:07 |
| halt | freemangordon: I have one and I one to upgrade to something more decent, it's big heavy and week with the battery | 18:08 |
| halt | freemangordon: I did not found any on ebay, clound you give me a link maybe ? | 18:08 |
| halt | ShadowJK: it's just a dev device, yes I know but it's too good, to just left behind | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | halt: N950 is as heavy as N900, with worse battery life ;). Last time I checked the price of new N950 was about 2000 euro | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | halt: no, it just looks too good, trust me on that one, I have both n900 and n950 | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | honestly, the design is killer | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | but that's all | 18:10 |
| halt | freemangordon: :( it's soo said, so you saying there is no "good phones" on the market ? | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | halt: depends on how you define "good phone" :) | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | halt: but if you ask for a phone to replace n900 with, there is no such device IMO | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | This is why I own about 5 N900s.. | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: yesterday I bought my 3rd one, for my GF :) | 18:14 |
| halt | freemangordon: that's true, there are people outside who can live without an qwerty keyboard, who is happy to use an "tracked" os, and they are happy to be a marketing target, personly I will be happy even with an black&white dot screen , and stuff like that, if they will match otherwise | 18:14 |
| halt | ShadowJK: nice collection :) | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | 3 of them are broken, 4th in use, 5th as spare | 18:15 |
| freemangordon | halt: n900 would not become less builkier, but actually it is not that ugly. You'd better try to make it faster, if speed is your problem | 18:16 |
| halt | ShadowJK: oh that's an othere case | 18:16 |
| halt | freemangordon: it's not about the the design, i give a shit about the the design ( until a level ) but the battery time and the weight is important, actaly my current n900 just brocken now, ( the usb port lost the contact ) so if i have to buy an othere one I was hoping there is a new version or better option | 18:19 |
| halt | but look like there is no better option ... | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | Guess why we have more than one device :) | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | halt: hmm, what is wring with battery life on n900? | 18:20 |
| freemangordon | *wrong | 18:20 |
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| kerio | nothing, if you have a good battery =D | 18:21 |
| freemangordon | heh | 18:21 |
| halt | I cahanged to N900 from E72 there I had days with the n900 i have only hours | 18:21 |
| kerio | you didn't have days of usage on your e72 | 18:21 |
| kerio | days of screen on, at least | 18:22 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: you know what, BME got confused while I was on holiday 2 weeks ago, because I went offline. So by the end of the day I got about 80% battery, and BME decided my battery capacity is about 300 mAh | 18:22 |
| kerio | fun | 18:22 |
| kerio | which bme? | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | stock | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | I'd get about 4 days out of N900 if I used it for same things I used E75 | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | kerio: well, Pali's widget(or whatever it is called), but Nokia BME | 18:23 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: so I am not exactly sure where Pali got those 300 mAh from, but still something went totally confused | 18:24 |
| halt | fun I used to studie on a uni called BME :) but i guess here it's mean Battery Manager E..? | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | Entity | 18:25 |
| freemangordon | ShadowJK: on stock device I guess, with some tweaking I think we can do 5 or more | 18:25 |
| kerio | *management | 18:27 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 18:27 |
| halt | I see thanks,... well said to hear that, but have to accept the fact, so I'm ordering two n900 and that would be good until some time, let's hope so some manufacture pick up the needs and build a phone for a geeks like us | 18:29 |
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| halt | or... we should build one for ourself :D http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/11/play/make-your-own-mobile-phone | 18:32 |
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| halt | just double checked and the N900 came out in 2009 !! 4 years ago and there is sill no real rivals | 18:42 |
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| freemangordon | halt: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N950-Silver-Prototype-/261230401221?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3cd28b96c5 :D | 18:55 |
| halt | freemangordon: nice, but it's way less in India http://prices9.com/mobiles/Nokia-N950 | 18:56 |
| halt | and actualy our company has coderst there, and will ask them to buy it for me i think :) | 18:57 |
| SpEeDEvIiL | halt: that is a lie | 18:57 |
| freemangordon | halt: I'd be surprised if that offer (the India one) is not fake, just check the device specs | 18:58 |
| SpEeDEvIiL | it's not actually been released | 18:58 |
| SpEeDEvIiL | no microsd slot | 18:58 |
| halt | well this is why I ask them to buy it if they can... | 18:59 |
| SpEeDEvIiL | no video editor, no java | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | halt: forget about it, it's been never released | 18:59 |
| SpEeDEvIiL | camera is wrong | 19:00 |
| * freemangordon wonders if he should try to sell his broken-screen N950 | 19:00 | |
| freemangordon | it is in worse condition than http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOKIA-N950-DEVELOPER-EDITION-BLACK-FAULTY-/290954928572?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item43be43e1bc | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | strange, the black spot on my device are on exactly the same place as on ^^^ | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | *is | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | Pali: hi, have a couple of minutes to finish that damn kcssu assess table (together)? | 19:04 |
| Pali | please later | 19:05 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: np, ping me when you have some free time | 19:05 |
| Pali | now reading couple of mails... | 19:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | Picture of the main photo on tht prices9.com website is from gsmarena.com.. lol suspicious. | 19:18 |
| psycho_oreos | Also I do believe the silver N950 is even more rare than the black N950. Whilst black N950 were being handed out to accepted Qt developers for the (what was then the upcoming) meego platform. The silver N950 was never handed out. Unless if that silver N950 was photoshopped or the seller somehow managed to paint his N950 silver. | 19:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | iirc, a silver N950 appeared in the N950 teaser video, where they used "Jesse's girl" as the theme song. | 19:23 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, I wonder if its possible (just wildly thinking) to replace N950's screen with n9 in a bid to get the screen to work. | 19:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | From the hardware specs it seems apart from mainly the board is different and the hinges being extra on N950. It might still be remotely possible that for the remaining parts (obviously not including keyboard as well) N950 may share same parts as is with n9. | 19:29 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I don't think we will see another N900-like device, concord moment. I'd be happy if the N900 was produced again as it is, obviously with uUSB reinforced and better soldering to avoid modem issue. | 19:34 |
| Pali | shit - my n900: | 19:36 |
| Pali | $ du -hs /var/log/syslog.old | 19:36 |
| Pali | 147M /var/log/syslog.old | 19:36 |
| psycho_oreos | Sad but inevitably true, there's a very small market dedicated to having devices/phones with proper hw keyboard. Furthermore, capitalism (now go figure). | 19:36 |
| psycho_oreos | lol. I've compressed mine (I do it every so often). | 19:36 |
| Pali | now I removed it and 0MB free space increased to 4,2MB | 19:37 |
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| Pali | I forgot to update all pulseaudio packages and now I see this: pulseaudio[849]: client-ext.c: client-ext.c: Can't obtain command line | 19:37 |
| Pali | 10000 messages per second | 19:38 |
| kerio | D: | 19:38 |
| psycho_oreos | eww.. good way to fill up syslog for sure. | 19:38 |
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| Pali | it is possible to configure syslog to accept only N messages per second? | 19:39 |
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| Pali | I'm happy that rootfs is compresses, otherwise I do not know how 147MB of syslog will be stored to rootfs... | 19:40 |
| psycho_oreos | I personally doubt it. Though I thought there's some process (could even remotely be kernel) that would try to truncate output by beverity when it receives too much messages in a short timeframe. Then again that is mainly kernel specific stuff not really userland programs. | 19:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | Compressed? o.O | 19:42 |
| kerio | ubifs is compressed | 19:42 |
| kerio | unless you're as cool as i am | 19:43 |
| psycho_oreos | D: news to me. I've tried (without success) symlinking syslog into /home/opt instead. | 19:43 |
| SAiF | can you use wlan together with 2g in n900 (yes or no) | 19:44 |
| psycho_oreos | Think you can, it shouldn't matter. | 19:44 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: Who did backup of all maemo/n900 firmware images which was availablae on nokia site? | 19:44 |
| * psycho_oreos personally thinks DocScrutinizer51 is still in "offtime". | 19:45 | |
| kerio | let's all nickping DocScrutinizer51 | 19:47 |
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| Pali | he has bot which send him all messages :-) | 19:47 |
| fastforward | the normal connection thing only allows to connect to one connection | 19:47 |
| kerio | he's a bot | 19:47 |
| fastforward | wifi or gprs, | 19:47 |
| fastforward | maybe possible through command line then | 19:47 |
| kerio | icd2 can deal with multiple connections, but not the ui | 19:48 |
| kerio | and you can configure the network manually ofc | 19:48 |
| Pali | kerio: will you create new UI? :-) | 19:48 |
| kerio | sure | 19:48 |
| kerio | you just wait | 19:48 |
| Pali | icd2 gui (both status menu and control panel) is BAD | 19:49 |
| kerio | Pali: btw, i appreciated the bmerep repository :D | 19:50 |
| SAiF | aaah... | 19:52 |
| SAiF | I have both slow connections... I have to wait till I learn how to write programs.. or till some one helps.. | 19:53 |
| psycho_oreos | The question sort of begs as to why would you want that? having two gateways? you'll need to play with bridge mode. | 19:54 |
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| SAiF | if its tough just drop it, i thought if there is some simple solution, I could give it a try. | 19:55 |
| SAiF | wifi speeds are capped at 30kbps download after per mionth limit is reached. and 2g also give just 30kbps. 3g prices are way too much.. | 19:57 |
| SAiF | its one of the countries with worst internet.. | 19:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Probably better that than being charged excessively for going over the amount, having to check their site and only to find out that there's a forewarning the quotas are not updated "live" but rather every second day. | 19:58 |
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| SAiF | :) that type of plans in my country gives the fastest speeds. so that we could easily go over limit and they could charge as they wish.. | 20:01 |
| psycho_oreos | The way I understand it, if you want to use both connections simultaneously you'll need bridge-utils (or whatever it is). Plus whatever other stuff you'll need to configure (maybe stuff to do with iptables, QoS, etc). | 20:01 |
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| SAiF | aaah... I drop it.. Qos, iptables, bridge.. bla bla .. I cant stand | 20:02 |
| SAiF | I am good with 30kbps | 20:02 |
| SAiF | :) | 20:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | Yup, over here (where I live) packet data has no traffic shaping rules. Meaning there's no provider that will be willing to give you 2g/2.5g/3g/3.5g or even 4g without trying rack up your money. | 20:03 |
| SAiF | psycho_oreos by the way that slider magnet issue was resolved after he placed the magnet this time.. | 20:04 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm not sure, you'll definitely need bridging that's again if you want to use both connections simultaneously. The first thing you'll encounter is multi-gateways in your routing table which would mess programs up because they can't pick one. | 20:04 |
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| SAiF | it was just a thought. I am not thinking abt it anymore.. | 20:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | Did he put the original magnet back in? or did he used some other magnet (even worse using one of those "normal" magnet) to do some experiments and hack up a way with that. | 20:06 |
| SAiF | original one, from the old touch panel | 20:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | It's not impossible, its just work into researching, experimenting, thinking, etc. I just don't think there's any package available on maemo.org that would do exactly just that. There maybe are articles for it. | 20:07 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh, well I guess problem solved :) no need to fuss about sensor playing up. | 20:07 |
| SAiF | :) | 20:08 |
| SAiF | and that portrait mode call menu is again not showing up. will be flashing soon. When I get a call now, I slide up to see whos calling. | 20:08 |
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| * psycho_oreos wonders if that is related to lack of RAM available. Sometimes when N900 is left on for a couple of days (this is with non CSSU-Thumb mind you), programs start to get progressively slower to load up. This is even more visible when receiving calls. | 20:12 | |
| SAiF | Well I tried restarting ofcourse, and it got cssu.. and its just a problem with the call menu. no other programs lags or anything. any way.. will be flashing soon. | 20:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | swap defragmentation? | 20:21 |
| SAiF | http://nehrutrophy.nic.in/ and search some videos on youtube if you have time.. | 20:26 |
| SAiF | see you .. good nite. | 20:26 |
| LjL-Alps | is the red "privacy" LED of the camera an actual red-only LED, or is it like the front LED, i.e. can it be set to any color? if not, can the "flashlight" (white) led be turned on at the same time as the red one? | 20:27 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | between the flash leds? | 20:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | LjL-Alps: it is a red only led, see lanterne thread for more. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90229 | 20:30 |
| LjL-Alps | sixwheeledbeast: yeah - at least if you say it's between them, i guess it is! | 20:31 |
| LjL-Alps | sixwheeledbeast: thanks | 20:31 |
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| LjL-Alps | (for the record, i'm thinking about the "heart rate monitor" apps there are for other OS's, which use the white LED to shine light through your finger. now, actual pulse oxymeters are similar but use *two* frequencies of light, one infrared... this is probably crazy, but i was thinking maybe the red LED comes close enough if used together with the white one) | 20:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | red led is not close to IR. IIRC you can't have flash and red led's on at the same time. | 20:38 |
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| LjL-Alps | sixwheeledbeast: ah, bummer. | 20:39 |
| LjL-Alps | i know it's not really close to IR, i was just wondering that maybe two separate frequencies, even if neither of them is IR, might work | 20:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't understand how the device "detects" your heartrate. Led's are outputs. | 20:41 |
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| kerio | with the camera | 20:42 |
| LjL-Alps | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, with the camera. it looks at subtle variations in your fingertip's color, but for that to work, there needs to be a lightsource bright enough to shine through your fingertip | 20:43 |
| LjL-Alps | the sun works, but LED flashes are usually handier ;) | 20:43 |
| LjL-Alps | these apps do work quite well in my experience | 20:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So why does the two LED frequencies make a difference? | 20:45 |
| LjL-Alps | sixwheeledbeast: for just determining your heartrate, they don't, white LED works fine - but a pulse oxymeter can also tell you what the percentage of oxygen in your blood is (that's the main feature). to do that, you need to determine the color of the blood, basically, and if you only have one frequency, then you can tell "now it's brigher" and "now it's darker" but you need two to make an actual measurement | 20:47 |
| LjL-Alps | note i only know these things from Wikipedia, so what i say may not be entirely accurate | 20:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I see. However I see little need for it built in to my N900. I'd be looking for an accurate "fit-for-purpose" solution. | 20:49 |
| LjL-Alps | to each one his own | 20:50 |
| LjL-Alps | yay, my N900 crashed in the middle of a CSSU-Thumb2 install | 20:51 |
| kerio | yay | 20:51 |
| kerio | do you have a thumby kernel already? | 20:51 |
| LjL-Alps | kerio: yeah i have kp52 | 20:51 |
| kerio | meh, then | 20:51 |
| LjL-Alps | i hope the thumb thing hasn't overwritten it though | 20:51 |
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| kerio | no | 20:52 |
| kerio | it doesn't do that | 20:52 |
| LjL-Alps | actually, i don't think the phone crashed... the screen just looks weird, and there is currently a dialog asking me whether i want to flash the new kernel image to NAND (NO i don't!), except it's not in the right place in the screen and i can't seem to cancel it | 20:52 |
| LjL-Alps | it says "Old kernel version: U-Boot 2013.04, New kernel version: 2.6.28.10-cssu3", and that *really* seems like something i'd want to cancel | 20:53 |
| LjL-Alps | not looking forward to having my U-Boot overwritten | 20:53 |
| LjL-Alps | really weird. this dialog is still responsive (i can click on "I agree"), but i can't even turn off the phone by long-pressing Power | 20:55 |
| LjL-Alps | i guess next step is taking the battery out | 20:55 |
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| LjL-Alps | meh, i agreed to overwrite U-Boot with the new kernel, and it's booting normally now. could have let me keep it, though | 21:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Pali: freemangordon: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-settings/0.17/ This can now be promoted to extras. However, please note that one person has been able to vote twice, I cannot reproduce. | 21:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | What's the plan to fix KP package repo issue? | 21:44 |
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| Pali | sixwheeledbeast: maybe race condition? | 21:52 |
| Pali | look at this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/iproute/20111117-1maemo1/ | 21:53 |
| Pali | sixwheeledbeast: sometimes when I had bad internet connection maemo interface got 4 votes from me... | 21:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm.... | 21:54 |
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| Malinux | on Nokia N9 (there is no meego-channel, that's why I am asking here) I have trouble using google calendar with the caldav-app | 22:24 |
| freemangordon | Malinux: there is, #harmattan | 22:24 |
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| Malinux | freemangordon: sure. thanx :) <3 I will try it :) | 22:26 |
| freemangordon | Malinux: BTW I didn't mean to kick you off the channel :) | 22:27 |
| Malinux | freemangordon: NP :) I have been on this channel for a while :) I love maemo, but I got an N9 as replacement for my N900 :( | 22:28 |
| Malinux | I have bought a used N900 because I like it so much. Don't use it at the moment though | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | is it broken? | 22:29 |
| ashley | I've owned a N900 for a while and after my previous phone (a Nokia 5730) somewhat broke down, I switched to the N900 and I'm lovin' it \o/ | 22:29 |
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| Malinux | freemangordon: the usb-connector got broke | 22:39 |
| ashley | it's possible to repair that (and you definitely should, IMO) | 22:40 |
| ashley | talk.maemo.org should have a relevant thread | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | that one | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | or bring it to the nearest mobile phones repair centre | 22:41 |
| Sysaxed | it's so nice to see people still buying or getting n900s in 2013 | 22:41 |
| Malinux | ashley: probebly. The problem is. Nokia took it and sendt me an N9 instead. I like N9 beside it's a downgrade in some cases, and an upgrade in other | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | Sysaxed: It is rather unfortunate that there is no replacement :( | 22:41 |
| Malinux | I miss a physical keyboard. | 22:41 |
| ashley | ugh | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | Malinux: upgrade O.o | 22:42 |
| Malinux | hehe :) | 22:42 |
| ashley | physical keyboard is one of the many awesome features the N900 has | 22:42 |
| Malinux | it is | 22:42 |
| ashley | I have both a N900 (well, two) and a N9 | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | no, really, what is upgraded, besides CPU and RAM? | 22:42 |
| Malinux | to be honest. I like the N9 in many ways. | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | Malinux: BTW I have n950, so I know harmattan a bit ;) | 22:42 |
| Malinux | the new (used N900) I brought has american keyboard... The one I had, had scandinavic... that's suck | 22:42 |
| Malinux | freemangordon: really?! wish they sendt me a N950 instead of N9.... | 22:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~usb-fix | 22:43 |
| infobot | usbfix is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | Malinux: what for? n900 kbd is waaay better than the one in n950 IMO. Not to say that opening the keybaord on n950 is a nightmare, I am afraid it'll jump off my hands everytime I open it | 22:44 |
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| Malinux | freemangordon: ok. I didn't know that. there is 250 people who have a N950 | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | Malinux: well, actually I believe there are more, I guess lots of ex-Nokians have one | 22:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I prefer the N900 style slider, over the weird left screen up version in N950. | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 22:47 |
| Malinux | okey... hm.. I always wanted the N950 so badly, but well... :( :'( | 22:47 |
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| freemangordon | Malinux: trust me, n900 goes circles around it. | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | Malinux: as everyday phone ofc, not if you have to impress your friend with iCrap or S3 :D | 22:49 |
| freemangordon | s/with/owning/ | 22:49 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: Malinux: as everyday phone ofc, not if you have to impress your friend owning iCrap or S3 :D | 22:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Fremantle is "way" better then harmattan IMO ;) | 22:50 |
| Malinux | freemangordon: I know... the N900 is amesaing. | 22:50 |
| Malinux | hm, not the correct way to spell it :S | 22:50 |
| Malinux | amasing | 22:50 |
| Malinux | or something | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: hi. are you some kind of package interface admin/tester/something? | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | why? | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: why I ask... | 22:50 |
| Malinux | is there a way to change the keyboard on the N900 to scandinavic or so? | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | is, because I looked at QA queue | 22:50 |
| freemangordon | there are lots of (maybe orphaned) packages with karma > 6 | 22:51 |
| freemangordon | and noone to promote them | 22:51 |
| Malinux | :) | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: there is an old thread on TMO with similar matter, I was wondering is it a good idea to resurrect it, now the package interface is ok | 22:52 |
| freemangordon | or maybe open a new thread, asking for "does anyone have objections if we promote those packages to extras" and if there are no, in a week or so, to promote those | 22:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: Yes and yes I think this is a good idea. Ivan and I we're pushing for maintainers a while back, DARP? | 22:54 |
| Sysaxed | freemangordon: well, some phones with ubuntu edge are going to be released soon, so after somebody makes a real mobile linux OS (ubuntu edge os is going to suck for sure) we can finally switch to it. | 22:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Darp is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/Darp | 22:55 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I am talking about packaes in extras-testing ;) | 22:56 |
| Sysaxed | uhhh, is there any way to make whole home folder to be visible from a pc, not just mydocs? | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | Sysaxed: yep, use ssh | 22:56 |
| freemangordon | (or winscp if you are on windoze) | 22:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ah, ok well if they have passed QA, they "should" be stable. | 22:57 |
| Sysaxed | freemangordon: of course I can access them using ssh, but I want to open it via file manager | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: yep | 22:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | do you have a list of pkgs? | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | there are at least 10 of those | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | no | 22:57 |
| freemangordon | i just saw that while was fighting with autobuilder/promotion stuff | 22:58 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: http://maemo.org/packages/ | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | check "Fremantle Extras-testing QA queue. (user applications)" | 22:59 |
| Sysaxed | anybody? | 22:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It would be nice for them to have a maintainer, lol at the link... ;) | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | and "Fremantle Extras-testing QA queue. (all packages)" | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | yeah :) | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: sure it would be, but... | 22:59 |
| freemangordon | what is funny, is that qwazix's rawcam is amongst those :) | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think it would also be a good idea to purge some of the broken/duplicate packages | 23:00 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: duplicate? | 23:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maemoreactor etc... | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | yeah, maybe | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemoreactor/0.0.1-5/ | 23:01 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: BTW the main reason behind wanting that promotion to happen is pure PR :) | 23:01 |
| freemangordon | users (part of them ofc) will see the maemo is still alive ;) | 23:02 |
| freemangordon | no matter it is dead man walking for the last 2 years :D | 23:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I agree we NEED to get promotion on the go for N900 users to see orange status menu icon, FYI K9 Call is incompatible with CSSU | 23:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but has votes | 23:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | as is DrLaunch IIRC | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | hmm, why is that? | 23:04 |
| freemangordon | ooh, I see | 23:05 |
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| freemangordon | "...that supports portrait mode." | 23:05 |
| Malinux | I found a scandinavic keyboard here... :D http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-scandinavian-265854 not sure if it difficult to change it http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-scandinavian-265854 | 23:05 |
| Malinux | and I don't know how to buy things from that site :p | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: are you going through QA queue? | 23:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hildon desktop rotats and Dr launch rotates the opposite way, yes I am. | 23:06 |
| Sysaxed | so, once again. Is there any way to make whole home folder visible from pc instead of just MyDocs in mass storage mode? | 23:06 |
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| freemangordon | Sysaxed: I guess no, as /home needs to be mounted | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | s/nneds/have to/ | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | shit | 23:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Opera 12 is buggy too, there maybe an issue with promoting "all" QA'ed packages, I feel. | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | 22:54 <freemangordon> or maybe open a new thread, asking for "does anyone have objections if we promote those packages to extras" and if there are no, in a week or so, to promote those | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, the correct way to deal for packages not suitable for extras is to vote them down | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | s/deal for/deal with/ | 23:10 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: sixwheeledbeast: well, the correct way to deal with packages not suitable for extras is to vote them down | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | IMO | 23:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I agree but remeber these maybe votes pre-CSSU? and they work ok on stock. | 23:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/remeber/remember/ | 23:11 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: I agree but remember these maybe votes pre-CSSU? and they work ok on stock. | 23:11 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: yeah, somemone need to test those. but it shouldn't be that hard, we talk about 10-20 packages I guess | 23:12 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: and if there is a bug not captured, it is supposed to be reported to the package maintainer. And we can withdraw a packge from extras anytime | 23:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maybe ping the maintainers to see if they will come back and promote there product? I can start package testing again in the testing squad. | 23:14 |
| freemangordon | IIUC that is how package interface is supposed to work | 23:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | No good if the maintainer is AWOL | 23:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and you have promoted them. | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: that would be great, I suspect the promotion not working was a big obstacle :) | 23:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | big is an understatement. | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: yep, but there is always a chance someone else o take over the maintainership | 23:16 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 23:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So if I list the packages for promotion and test them, post on TMO for any objections then promote or push back to devel? | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | yep, something like that should do the job. We should try to make the machinery running again. | 23:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I definitely can't agree to promoting them now without testing them again. I see packages I may have promoted 2 years ago, that have issues or don't work now. | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | after all that was the point of community owned infra aiui | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: sure | 23:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ok well actually I could do a couple at a time and bump the TMO thread if available. | 23:22 |
| freemangordon | maybe. maybe discuss with the other councilors | 23:24 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: see, I don't want to lose the momentum we have now, see https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/?C=M;O=D | 23:27 |
| freemangordon | I can only hope this will get better, but we should help that process IMO | 23:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yep, I agree. | 23:29 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | well, innerspin and papertoss I have had on my device for ages with no issues. | 23:30 |
| * freemangordon is going to check WTF are those :D | 23:30 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: mompls | 23:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/inner-spin/0.1.3-10/ | 23:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/papertoss/1.0.0-4/ | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | don;t forget to check for optification | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | ooh, games :D | 23:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | this is Pali's http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/battery/0.5/ | 23:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If I have voted I have checked /opt | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: do you consider promoting modrana 0.42.1 to extras-testing? | 23:35 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: I have a new version about ready for release | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | oh, great | 23:37 |
| M4rtinK | has quite a few important fixes | 23:37 |
| M4rtinK | so I would probably fix that if no serious issues show up after it is released | 23:37 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, one of the fixes is working address search :) | 23:38 |
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| freemangordon | M4rtinK: maybe I should start using modrana some day. But MM10 does descent job for me. | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | even if only to support the great job you're doing :) | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK | MM10 ? :) | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | Sygic Mobile Maps | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK | as long it works :) | 23:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | SMM10 is easier for me to use day-to-day due to onscreen keyboard and map packs. However I love the work going into modRana I have that installed too. :) | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | never failed on me | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, regarding modRana progress | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | I have some mid term plans for offline map rendering | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | and near term plans for a new Qt 5 GUI (in addition to the GTK one and Qt4 one) | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | jolla eh? | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | :) | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: BTW could you look some day at http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/extmou/1.0.6/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_comments_comment_page=2 | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | well, actually thanks to the work thp and Khertan did on the pyotherside Python-Qt bindings | 23:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/abook-dtmf/0.2/ works well too. going through and voting on packages now. | 23:43 |
| M4rtinK | they are very minimal, but very simple & can work asynchronously | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I am still not sure if I should abuse my admin powers and promote that to extras :D (extmou) | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: did you try QT5 on n900? | 23:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have never used extmou only extkbd | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I am talking about comments | 23:44 |
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| M4rtinK | the main target are of course new devices (Jolla, Ubuntu touch and Android (better supported by Qt5)) | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK | but IMHO should work quite nicely even on the N900 | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: not yet, but it seems to be coming along quite well | 23:45 |
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| * freemangordon thinks he should try to upgrade GPU drivers some day | 23:45 | |
| freemangordon | the ancient 1.3 version we use just sucks | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK | depending on how well the Qt5 will go, I might even scrap the Qt4 GUI | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | most of the time | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK | I plan to use the built-in Controls Qt components, sou that should result in less dependencies | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: are there any distributable updated SGX drivers ? | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: those from Meego CE/Nemo? there is softfp one | 23:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :D "Leaving for now as my GF is becoming nervous." | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | yeah, run :D | 23:48 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: gimme a minute to find the tar name | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: so they do vsync ? | 23:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I see the argument for extmou. | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: http://download.meego.com/testing/trunk/repos/non-oss/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.20090218.189-2.1.armv7l.rpm | 23:50 |
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| freemangordon | and friends | 23:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: you need to push your small update for extkbd to testing ;) | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: assuming I have to backport powervr driver too, yes | 23:50 |
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| M4rtinK | freemangordon: well, that would indeed be nice :) | 23:51 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: hmm, right, I should check what was the status there and why I didn;t promote that back then. there was a reason | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: but still, what about the redistributability ? | 23:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I bump you about it on extkbd thread IIRC. | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: thanks | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: AFAIK this is freely redistributable | 23:52 |
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| freemangordon | M4rtinK: http://pastebin.com/i8Y0KcaE | 23:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | As for extmou it doesn't depend on HEN etc so I see this a non-issue? It is obvious IMO that USB mouse will require additional packages etc. | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: exactly | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | and now KP is in extras... | 23:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Does it work with a BT mouse ok? Still KP or HEN are a non-issue due to not "depending" on them. | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | yep | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | you only need a BT mouse :) | 23:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I don't have one :( | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: I am not a lawyer, but I read that as "you can use this SW on N900" | 23:56 |
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| M4rtinK | freemangordon: well that is indeed nice :) | 23:59 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: it is just that I've seen cases when the drivers couldn't be even distributed as part of the flashable image | 23:59 |
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