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euphoria86Hi, Can someone help me with my n900, I'm trying to use cd /home/user/MyDocs/documents but the terminal is giving me the error "cant cd to /home/user/MyDocs/documents03:10
nox-isnt that /home/user/MyDocs/.documents or somesuch?03:11
euphoria86I tried that too, Same error message came back03:12
nox-hm mine does have ~/MyDocs/.documents at least03:13
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LjL-Alpsi wish OS2008 had a sleeker version of MyPaint for it03:22
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psycho_oreoseuphoria86, either you or someone else have done something to it. Its known as /home/user/MyDocs/.documents (Yes there is a huge difference if there was a character missing, there's a thing known as tab completion which prevents the need to type out the full and exact name of path, etc).05:03
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psycho_oreosThere could be three reasons for why that is happening, user/program intervention (which was pointed out above), filesystem corruption, and/or filesystem not mounted.05:17
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psycho_oreosHmm very interesting, running on CSSU-Thumb (just installed recently) been on CSSU-Testing for awhile now. I'm using Pali's PAv5, whenever I hear my N900 rings I can hear both the default nokia ringtone along with my own defined ringtone for N900 to use (though with some delays for user defined ringtone).12:51
* psycho_oreos wonders if it would be a good idea to try PA CSSU v1 again.12:51
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psycho_oreosOoh nice, looks like they've narrowed down the issue, guess that will be only set that I'll need to try.13:57
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japa-fiI just LOOOOOOVE my N900!. Found out that my thinkpad 430 does not have traditiona microphone input (3.5mm jack). What can I do? I use my N900 as microphone + gstreamer to strea the sound,  VLC on my laptop to receive the stream muxing it to my screencast.16:16
Sc0rpiusbut that should sound terrible16:16
Sc0rpiusI mean the quality of the audio16:16
Sc0rpiuswhat kind of audio input that laptop has then? now I'm curious16:16
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japa-fiSc0rpius, I think options are either USB mic or internal mic (which had awful sound quality)16:17
japa-fiI tested the sound via n900, it was very clear IMO16:17
Sc0rpiusyeah I have a USB Headset that I had to use for "emergency mic" in some cases16:17
japa-fioh, streaming was over wlan16:18
wndit baffles me that I haven't asked this before, but does your n900 ever simply fail to connect to any wlan/wifi until you toggle offline/airplane mode on and back off?16:20
Sc0rpiusit's funny that you ask16:20
Sc0rpiussometimes when I try to connect to a WiFi it doesn't find any WLAN available even if they are available16:21
Sc0rpiusbut if I have some WLAN already saved I can always connect to that16:21
Sc0rpiusbut I can't find new ones... until I reboot16:21
Sc0rpiusnow you just give me a better workaround hehehe16:21
wndit happens to me maybe once a month and when it does, airplane mode alawys helps. there's nothing in the kernel log that catches my eye.16:22
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fizzieMany Thinkpads have a combined headphone/mic connector (including the T430 according to Lenovo spec page: "(1) 3.5mm Combo Jack Headphone/MIC"), in which case you can just get a (suitable) TRRS-to-2xTRS adapter cable and plug a regular microphone in.16:26
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japa-fifizzie, darn, you spoiled all the fun :)16:37
fizzieOn the other hand, then you'd have the N900 free for even more "creative" gstreamer experiments. (I've been using mine for experiments in time-lapse photography; it can jpegenc ! tcpserversink 1080p frames at a comfortable 2 fps, or 720p at 5 fps, over a very spotty wlan here at the office.)16:40
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fizzie(Sadly there's nothing in particular to photograph here, except for a mostly empty road.)16:41
japa-fiYou use the phone as wireless "webcam" for the laptop?16:41
fizzieWell, for a desktop in this case, but yes.16:41
japa-fiCool!16:42
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: ping20:20
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, pong?20:30
JaffaGeneralAntilles: 'lo20:31
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Wondered if you'd looked at this week's issue - but doesn't look like you have20:31
JaffaGeneralAntilles: (Not a problem, I'll have a look at lunch)20:31
* Jaffa has just copied create-issue.php. Step 1: tick :-)20:32
GeneralAntillesI haven't. Getting ready to list the house this week, so my spare time is near zero.20:32
JaffaFairy nuff20:33
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DrCodeI have install ssh server on easydebian20:40
DrCodecan I access to easydebian from maemo ssh?20:40
DrCodeI did change ports to 222220:40
DrCodebut couldn't connect20:40
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cehtehDrCode: are you sure its up and running?21:12
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DrCodecehteh, yes21:27
DrCodeI also can't ssh inside ssh root21:27
DrCodewhen I do ps -ax|grep ssh21:27
DrCodewhen I do ps -ax|grep sshd mybe I see maemo and not chroot?21:27
cehtehnetstat -tnlp  gives?21:27
WizzupSo I'm travelling to paris and would like to have a map application that can use a cached map21:27
WizzupAny suggestions? :)21:27
cehtehWizzup: monav21:28
Wizzupty!21:29
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DrCodeI am charging my phone now21:32
DrCodedose chroot share same task with maemo?21:32
DrCodeor its diffrent tasks21:32
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DrCodeI mean when I use ps -ax, I will see mameo tasks?21:33
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SpeedEvilyou see all processes - chroot doesn't isolate processes like that21:38
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SiceloWizzup: stock Maps too ;)21:40
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sixwheeledbeast1Wizzup: modRana with monav, d/l the tiles before you go?21:56
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WizzupSicelo: really? I didn't know stock maps could do that22:02
Wizzupsixwheeledbeast: ok22:04
sixwheeledbeaststock maps will download the maps if you view the area beforehand.22:05
Wizzupsixwheeledbeast: through reboots?22:08
sixwheeledbeast:shrug: I would think so, isn't that what ~/.nokia-maps is for?22:09
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WizzupI have no clue, I thought it would just redownload it22:10
sixwheeledbeastWizzup: seems not I remeber many thread re downloading nokia maps. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3887222:13
sixwheeledbeastHowever search feature needs data22:14
Siceloyes. stock keeps maps 'forever'22:15
Wizzupokay, going to reboot phone first -- keeps giving errors in the gfx driver22:17
Wizzup:/22:17
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qwerty123freemangordon: there??22:18
qwerty123psycho_oreos: there?22:19
qwerty123SpeedEvil: ??22:19
SpeedEvil?22:19
qwerty123help please.22:19
psycho_oreos?22:19
qwerty123camera is not showing anything. basically just a blank screen. kpv52 latest thumb22:20
sixwheeledbeasthelp with?22:20
psycho_oreosfcam driver issue perhaps?22:20
sixwheeledbeastprobably22:21
qwerty123how to uninstall them??22:21
qwerty123got it in fapman. trying.22:22
qwerty123and yes, problem with fennec 17 too. its not opening. just a waiting circle on top and then nothing.22:22
qwerty123psycho_oreos:22:23
qwerty123^^22:23
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: ^^22:23
SpeedEvilreflash stock - does problem reccur?22:23
sixwheeledbeasthave you installed fcam?22:24
sixwheeledbeast~fam22:24
infoboti heard fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU). It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default.22:24
sixwheeledbeastmmm I forgot that got changed :/22:25
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast:  yes22:25
sixwheeledbeastwell I "think" you need fcam drivers from devel.22:25
qwerty123SpeedEvil: i have some of the things installed from thumb repo, so cant i try cssu kernel than stock?? it used to work on v51r1.22:25
psycho_oreosRemoving fcam-drivers will remove fcam, blessn900 and/or abettercamera. They all seem to more or less depend on fcam-drivers.22:26
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: mayb the first person to suffer while trying to go al safe with extras :P22:26
qwerty123psycho_oreos: trying upgrading and then will remove.22:26
sixwheeledbeastfcam drivers is a known issue if it is this.22:27
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qwerty123sixwheeledbeast:  never had ne problem with them before.22:27
psycho_oreosfennec is also broken (at least the latest one). I don't have it working on my end anymore.22:27
qwerty123psycho_oreos: so, fennec 7 works? not the thumb one??22:28
sixwheeledbeastsometimes a "apt-get install --reinstall fcam-drivers" is known to fix too I believe.22:29
psycho_oreosI wouldn't say installing CSSU-Thumb and/or having kp52 would cause camera-ui to show nothing on the screen. I have more or less the same setup (except with the latest fcam-drivers). No issues for me.22:29
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: yep.. got solved.devel fcam were required.22:29
qwerty123just upgraded them.22:29
psycho_oreosI do believe fennec was last up to v21. fennec 7 is really old.22:29
qwerty123i think thats what it is in extras. 17 was in thumb.22:30
qwerty123psycho_oreos: ^^22:30
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: if devel drivers are working then why are not they shifted to extras??22:31
sixwheeledbeastI thought so I suppose this should be pushed to extras to stop this happening22:31
sixwheeledbeast~pkg22:31
infoboti heard pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/22:31
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: seconds late but same thought :P22:31
sixwheeledbeastchangelog: 1.0.7-2  * Bump to version number to recompile for latest kernel-power version22:32
Wizzupto confirm, extras-devel fcam drivers will fix prolbmes of cam not working at all22:32
WizzupI ran into this issue two weeks ago22:32
WizzupI thought it was going to be pushed to testing already back then22:32
sixwheeledbeastThis needs the package maintainer to promote to testing and then vote, let me double check...22:32
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: btw, whats the procedure of installing previous versions of kernel-power. ( just for info)22:34
qwerty123?22:34
sixwheeledbeastno recommended.22:37
sixwheeledbeasts/no/not/22:37
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: not recommended.22:37
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qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: still, if someone is adamant to, then ?? :P ( imean in case i just wanted to revert back to kpv51r1, then)22:41
psycho_oreosOops, my bad. Latest fennec for maemo is 17 not 21.22:43
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psycho_oreosYou will probably have to do it all by hand and hope that it will work.22:45
qwerty123psycho_oreos: so does it work??22:45
psycho_oreosI'm installing it right now.22:46
qwerty123psycho_oreos:  i also got problems wih helium browser crashing out of the blue and opera12 and vkb vanishing after installing ukbd..22:46
qwerty123psycho_oreos:  any help with these?22:47
psycho_oreosI don't have helium browser, I can't quite remember if I had ukbd installed or not.22:48
sixwheeledbeastopera 12 IMO is still not stable.22:48
psycho_oreosopera 12.1beta1-16~fremantle0 is what I'm on.22:49
qwerty123psycho_oreos:  i still use 11. 12 crashes.22:49
qwerty123anyone having a stable  helium browser???22:50
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sixwheeledbeastYep I also use 11.5 due to crashes.22:55
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psycho_oreosqwerty123, fennec 12.0 (thumb optimised) is working for me albeit extremely slow.22:57
qwerty123psycho_oreos: yeah i dont usually use fennec but fennec 17 had this thumb compiation that got my attention.22:59
psycho_oreosqwerty123, it has always been slow - fennec for maemo. I think if anything, the latest version is far slower than its earliest version.23:00
qwerty123psycho_oreos: thumb obviously  had raised some hope for it..23:01
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psycho_oreosqwerty123, some != guaranteed23:02
psycho_oreosIt was probably a little experiment to see if it did help speed up the process and/or not make it use as much memory. Inevitably its still slow and sluggish.23:03
qwerty123psycho_oreos: yeah. anyways whats the lightest im for maemo??23:03
psycho_oreosqwerty123, probably conversations.23:03
qwerty123 that can be kept open for whole day long.. rtcom-messaging actually takes lot of cpu when in use.23:04
sixwheeledbeastfennec version 8.0.1 uses a faster JIT engine anything later is pointless for maemo I believe.23:04
qwerty123psycho_oreos: pidgin seemed more reasonable to me.23:04
psycho_oreosqwerty123, except pidgin is not well integrated compared to conversations23:05
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: read that in TMO. but thats too slow for much of practical workigng.23:05
sixwheeledbeastconversations plugin for IRC, is light but has little features23:05
qwerty123psycho_oreos: yeah that s a drawback, but i am still searching for something yet lower cpu eater.23:06
psycho_oreosqwerty123, you won't easily.23:06
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: everytime conversations gain any focus, the cpu shoots!23:06
sixwheeledbeastxchat, irssi?23:07
sixwheeledbeastterminal based.23:07
qwerty123yeah will do.23:07
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: ^^23:07
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: im i asked, not really only fo rirc. but i will mostly be doing irc only.. so thanks :)23:09
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: installing xchat.23:09
sixwheeledbeastWell I'd use pidgin for multiple IM's23:10
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psycho_oreosqwerty123, there is finch which is based off pidgin but is command-line only based. Too bad its not available for maemo (which means you'll need to compile it yourself).23:17
sixwheeledbeastqwerty123: what other IM protocols do you use, XMPP is supported in conversations.23:18
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: usually fb.23:18
sixwheeledbeastsupported in conversations have a look23:19
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: fb is xmpp based.23:19
qwerty123sixwheeledbeast: i have that there. :) thanks for your answer.23:19
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qwerty123set up irrssi?23:36
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sixwheeledbeasthttp://www.irssi.org/documentation23:42
Wizzupheh...23:44
Siceloyou can even get away with no particular setup :P23:44
Wizzupsuddenly a gtk+ scroll bar appeared in my n900 conversations23:44
Wizzupand trying to scroll will just select text23:44
kerioWizzup: same for me23:47
kerioi have no idea whatsoever of how to diagnose it23:47
kerioand it's a gecko scrollbar, not a gtk+ scrollbar23:47
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Wizzupkerio: any idea when that happened?23:48
kerionope23:48
WizzupIt's new for me23:48
keriowhat have you done?23:48
Wizzupas in -- probably as of today23:49
WizzupI installed modrana and monav23:49
keriomh23:49
keriojust that?23:49
Wizzupmodrana had lots of dependencies23:49
Wizzupwell, lots of dependencies as well23:49
kerioeeh, modrana only has python-* stuff23:50
kerioand espeak, and qt-components-1023:50
kerioneither feels related to Conversations23:50
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keriogaah it's such a fucking mess all over the place23:53
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