| GogoPogo | none seems to fret about the formats so I suppose it's an easy conversion to be done from .xml do .dat | 00:00 |
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| GogoPogo | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/Dump_format | 00:01 |
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| GogoPogo | btw I'm currently downloading the .xml dump you Doc linked to me before and see if it works | 00:05 |
| GogoPogo | I keep searching the web for a solution in the meantime | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o7ywswbut the wiki dump isn't zip files19:34 | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o7ywswit is .idx and .dat files.......19:35 | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o7ywswwhat's the deal | 00:06 |
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| GogoPogo | I read it | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't find any reference to .idx and .dat on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/Dump_format | 00:06 |
| GogoPogo | nor did I, that's why I suppose it's a problem that can be solved easily, or at least I hope | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o7ywsw claimed the downloads consisted of .idx and .dat files in 2010 | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it | 00:11 |
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| GogoPogo | I can't understand Evopedia's choice | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/evopedia/evopedia_python/blob/master/dumpscripts/dumplib.sh | 00:12 |
| GogoPogo | everything I come across regarding wikis dumps talks about xml | 00:12 |
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| GogoPogo | zip -1 wikipedia_"$LANG"_"$dumpdate".zip *.idx *.dat metadata.txt | 00:13 |
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| GogoPogo | I can't work out anything useful from the code.. do you? | 00:15 |
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| GogoPogo | wikimedia dumps come in static html format too, one file for each article and no .xml, only and index.html file | 00:21 |
| GogoPogo | I guess they would be good too, Evopedia start the browser on local host to the port 8080 and grabs the data from the databases. Plain html should be no hard to open but I fear it will mess up the wikis index inside the application | 00:23 |
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| win7mac | are there any HW-restraints against Linux-compatible Laptops, like graphics or smth.? | 00:24 |
| win7mac | ...eSATA, FW etc? | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, they are downloading the xml.gz and sql.gz files (line 12 .. 18), then at some place import stuff to a mysql db, and then there's also that magical grep -v '<redirect />' | "$SCRIPTDIR"/xml2sql -o "$IMPORTTEMPDIR" -v | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | $LIBDIR/datafile_storage.py --convert "$DESTDUMPTEMPDIR/$LANG/" "$dumpdate" "$LANG" "http://$LANG.wikipedia.org/wiki/" | 00:30 |
| GogoPogo | yeah I saw that but how can it help? | 00:30 |
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| win7mac | I want to set up an affordable (used) dualboot Win7/Linux Laptop with decent HW. I like the Lenovos, but they're too expensive new | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems this datafile_storage.py creates the .idx and .dat files? | 00:31 |
| GogoPogo | yes I'm looking for it | 00:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | hi | 00:32 |
| GogoPogo | win7mac: this is not a desktop computer channel, sorry.. | 00:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | just got python issue again | 00:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | so it wasn't bp-related | 00:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | so I just took a look into pymaemo-optify | 00:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | and rcS-late respectively | 00:32 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/evopedia/evopedia_python/blob/master/evopedia/evopedia/datafile_storage.py | 00:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | it seems like pymaemo-optify creates 3 relevant files (and some documents in /usr/share/doc) | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/evopedia/evopedia_python | 00:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | one in /etc/default containing configuration (the directores being bindmounted and where the mount actually is) | 00:34 |
| HRH_H_Crab | hi all, not specifically a maemo question, but has anyone here used this: http://elektranox.org/n900/index.html ? | 00:34 |
| Sicelo | HRH_H_Crab: i have | 00:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | one in /etc/event.d which starts a daemon (py-optifying is done by a daemon script..?) | 00:34 |
| HRH_H_Crab | Sicelo: did you manage to get wifi working? | 00:34 |
| Sicelo | yes | 00:34 |
| Sicelo | everything, even gprs :P | 00:34 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i am using wpa-ssid <blah> | 00:35 |
| HRH_H_Crab | wpa-psk <blah> | 00:35 |
| HRH_H_Crab | but the little blighter just doesnt seem to want to associate | 00:35 |
| HRH_H_Crab | not sure what i might be missing | 00:35 |
| Sicelo | anyway, that's deprecated now.. you're better off with a newer kernel, eg Nemo kernel | 00:35 |
| HRH_H_Crab | hmmm | 00:36 |
| Sicelo | you have the firmware in the right place? | 00:36 |
| HRH_H_Crab | yep | 00:36 |
| HRH_H_Crab | the device is there | 00:36 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i have wlan0 phonet0 all that jazz | 00:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | so let's see here | 00:36 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i just cant seem to write an /etc/network/interfaces that works | 00:37 |
| Sicelo | wpasupplicant? | 00:37 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive not tried that | 00:37 |
| Sicelo | you can't use wpa-ssid, wpa-psk if you don't have supplicant | 00:38 |
| HRH_H_Crab | it works fine on my zaurus'es | 00:38 |
| Sicelo | well, i'm no expert.. at least that's how i understood it. | 00:38 |
| Sicelo | you absolutely sure your Zauruses don't have supplicant? maybe was bundled .. | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: https://github.com/evopedia/evopedia_python/tree/master/mediawiki-1.14.0-evopediamod sounds good, eh? | 00:39 |
| HRH_H_Crab | Sicelo: yeah | 00:40 |
| FIQ|n900 | grep -q " $d " /proc/mounts || mount --bind $OPT_DIR/$d $d - this is how the mounting works, i.e. it first checks if they're already mounted and if grep exits with errors (i.e. it isn't), mounts it | 00:40 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i installed debian on them using debootstrap | 00:40 |
| FIQ|n900 | there doesn't seem to be any issues with this | 00:40 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive tried using wpasupplicant before | 00:40 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: it does... can you run it? | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haven't tried yet | 00:41 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and ive always found it to be one of the most horrific programs ive ever used | 00:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | unless /home is mounted *after* this script run | 00:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | s | 00:41 |
| HRH_H_Crab | :P | 00:41 |
| HRH_H_Crab | but maybe this is a good opportunity to try and get to grips with it | 00:41 |
| HRH_H_Crab | when i feel i can stomach it | 00:41 |
| HRH_H_Crab | is it what you used when you set up wifi on your n900 on deb? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: but for all I can tell it seems to me evopedia actively tries to dwonload whatever it needs to duplicate the whole wiki db in a local mysql | 00:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | this could potentially be the issue | 00:42 |
| Sicelo | HRH_H_Crab: i believe so.. i followed all those steps to the letter. | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't need you to download any huge files manually | 00:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: I thought of altering that line in python mount scripts slightly | 00:42 |
| GogoPogo | I don't get it, what's the advantage with it? | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | grep -q " $d " /proc/mounts || mount --bind $OPT_DIR/$d $d 2>/home/user/pymounts_failed | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: would this do what I want? | 00:44 |
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| FIQ|n900 | i.e. send any eventual errors with the mount to pymounts_failed as text | 00:44 |
| Sicelo | HRH_H_Crab: it was over a year ago.. so i don't quite remember everything. why don't you try a newer debian with a newer kernel..? or even Arch? Skry made some really great progress there | 00:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | or would that script get overwritten in some way? | 00:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | or worse, error out and make the issue worse | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: not exactly, use /var/log/ | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not /home/* | 00:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh | 00:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | but other than that? | 00:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: also | 00:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | looked into rcS-late | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks good to me | 00:46 |
| Sicelo | and btw HRH_H_Crab, i've never really use supplicant directly.. i just had it because my understanding was that it's needed for wpa* stuff to work in /etc/network/interfaces.. guess i was wrong | 00:46 |
| HRH_H_Crab | yeah | 00:46 |
| HRH_H_Crab | no you may be right | 00:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | and mounting seems to be done by that script unless part of rootfs and already mounted | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also use mount -v(erbose) | 00:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | so perhaps it's possible that rcS-late is running too late? | 00:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | mhm | 00:47 |
| Sicelo | HRH_H_Crab: did you also create the udev rule as per http://elektranox.org/n900/installation/configuration.html? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll learn from /var/log/pymounts_failed | 00:48 |
| ecc3g | ok why is my n900 trying to access port 7275 (SUPL?) on 66-152-109-100.tvc-ip.com ... | 00:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | grep -q " $d " /proc/mounts || mount -v --bind $OPT_DIR/$d $d >/var/log/pyoptify_state | 00:48 |
| Sicelo | supl.nokia.com? | 00:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | was thinking on settling with this then | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add a line echo "mounting $OPT_DIR/$d" >>>/var/log/pyoptify_state | 00:49 |
| Sicelo | ecc3g: what supl server do you have configured? and is gps enabled atm? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you don't want to use >, use >> | 00:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | ah | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add a line echo "mounting $OPT_DIR/$d" >>/var/log/pyoptify_state | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 00:49 |
| ecc3g | I was trying different SUPL servers, supl.google.com supl.nokia.com and also tried my supl-proxy | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set -vx | 00:50 |
| Sicelo | HRH_H_Crab: a more recent debian + regualr maemo kernel tutorial is at http://wiki.debian.org/MaemoAndSqueeze | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exec 2>>/var/log/pyoptify_state 1>&2 | 00:51 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: should we ask ashley to check out the program? | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at start of rcs-late | 00:51 |
| ecc3g | I was trying to get AGPS working but wonderring why I could not get it to reach my proxy... | 00:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: exec 2 does what? | 00:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: but ok, I'll do that | 00:51 |
| Sicelo | ecc3g: and where's the proxy? | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: I don't know if he's willing to do that. ask him anyway | 00:52 |
| ecc3g | it's not that host :) | 00:52 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: pvt message you mean? | 00:52 |
| ecc3g | temporarily running the proxy on my server... | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: exec without any parameter is used to redirect any filehandles of the currently running shell interpreter | 00:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | ah | 00:53 |
| Sicelo | fyi, supl.google & supl.nokia are broken for N900 :( | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set -vx echoes every line as it is executed | 00:53 |
| ecc3g | I'm wondering if this is the SIM-card supplied SUPL server (which, incidentally, that machine is dead) | 00:53 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: mhm | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exec 1>somefile redirects output to somefile | 00:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | 2 stderr I guess | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | echo "mounting $OPT_DIR/$d" >>>/var/log/pyoptify_state is 3 > here a typo? | 00:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | you wrote it before | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh makes sense | 00:55 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: do you think we could aim it at wiki.maemo.org and see what it comes up with? | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need that anymore, when you redirect output of whole rcS-late | 00:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | > overwrites, >> appends, so I assumed it was a typo yes | 00:55 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: I've long since last programmed anything and even though I liked Python a lot I'm not able to help out anymore | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe you just want to do that before the interesting part of rcS-late | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: sure we can try that | 00:56 |
| GogoPogo | if there's anyway I can help just tell me | 00:57 |
| GogoPogo | any way* | 00:57 |
| Sicelo | ecc3g: i don't think N900 gets supl server from sim even if it's there.. | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: probably you even rather go with your solution | 00:58 |
| ecc3g | Hmm... it's just suspicious, I can't seem to contact my supl proxy at all... | 00:58 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: I may e-mail Evopedia.info and ask for their thought, is it ok? | 00:58 |
| ecc3g | wiresharking it... | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not as bloated as what I suggested (exec) | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask ashley first | 00:59 |
| Sicelo | ecc3g: no typo maybe? | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GogoPogo: ask ashley first | 00:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | http://pastebin.com/v1MqcLLc rcS-late, http://pastebin.com/ix0ga7AG pymaemo-optify | 00:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | looks good | 00:59 |
| ecc3g | wireshark indicates it is a typo... ha. | 00:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: hmm but letting rcS-late output may also hint if it's running too early/late | 00:59 |
| GogoPogo | DocScrutinizer05: ok, he's not there anyway | 00:59 |
| Sicelo | lol ecc3g | 01:00 |
| ecc3g | but... | 01:00 |
| ecc3g | it doesn't look like a typo in the settings field | 01:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | which would explain the issues I've had with the bindmounts | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: not here? | 01:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: unless you see any obvious typos, I'll reboot now.. worst case scenario is I messed up the syntax and maemo doesn't boot, though fixing that would be trivial with bm's root console | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hope so, since otherwise bootloop | 01:01 |
| Sicelo | hmm.. now that's strange ecc3g. | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't seen obvious typos but I haven't checked thoroughly either | 01:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | even if it works fine (the bindmounts), I could still check that script to see whether my modifications worked | 01:02 |
| ecc3g | anyone happen to know what file the SUPL server setting is stored in? | 01:02 |
| Sicelo | gconf | 01:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | and if they did, then I know where to look next time it fails | 01:02 |
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| Sicelo | /system/nokia/location/supl <-- | 01:02 |
| Sicelo | ecc3g: ^^ | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: gconftool -R /|less "+/supl" -j 5 | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | [00:01:35] <DocScrutinizer05> hope so, since otherwise bootloop | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | bm - root console - remove my edits | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | and reboot loop solved | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | not too hard really :P | 01:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | brb reboot | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: then hit n | 01:04 |
| ecc3g | gconf looks right | 01:04 |
| ecc3g | hmm. | 01:04 |
| ecc3g | reboot I guess | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: alternatively : gconftool -R /system/nokia/location | 01:05 |
| Sicelo | ecc3g: which process is trying to contact that address? netstat... | 01:05 |
| ecc3g | no clue why wireshark indicates something is trying to look up a mangled hostname... | 01:06 |
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| ecc3g | fuuu i need a non-messybox netstat :p | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, for sure | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:07 |
| ecc3g | reboot. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 01:07 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 01:07 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf? | 01:08 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: is it normal for mount -v not to output anything on a successful mount? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 01:08 |
| Sicelo | why couldn't he just install Netstat? there is a standalone pkg | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe to stadout | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stdout | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1>&2 | 01:09 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | I redirected all output | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then I dunno | 01:09 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | for the mount command | 01:09 |
| ecc3g | I was trying to use supl:7276 notation to try to get it to use another port, but I think that may have fubared something. | 01:09 |
| Sicelo | ii netstat 1.60-23maemo1 Non busybox netstat in a small easy to insta | 01:09 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | also, my edits seems to have worked fine | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also don't forget that's messybox mount | 01:09 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | Sicelo: yep i created the udev rule | 01:09 |
| HRH_H_Crab | checking that doc now | 01:09 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | except possibly the edit to the mounting as I dunno if it's supposed to echo anything with -v | 01:10 |
| HRH_H_Crab | but i may as well just chroot from maemo and get wpasupplicant installed and see what gives... | 01:10 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: hm just tried mount -v w/o any parameters | 01:10 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | it didn't output anything besides what's given on just "mount" | 01:10 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | so no output might be normal then | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: will conflict with messybox | 01:11 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | It did output my date which I mostly added to reveal if it was ran before or after rcS-late | 01:11 |
| Sicelo | what conflicts wit messybox DocScrutinizer05? | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg divert netstat is the solution I guess | 01:11 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | (and it appeared at the very bottom - so rcS seems to have been ran first) | 01:11 |
| Sicelo | hmm | 01:11 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | So, stuff works, great | 01:11 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | now I at least know what to do next time it fails | 01:12 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | which may finally tell what the error is | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add that echo $PYDIR/$d line before mount | 01:13 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: also, is rendurancy in pymaemo-optify intended? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even echo "mounting py: `date` pydir: $PYDIR/$d ." | 01:14 |
| Sicelo | looks like you can't 'divert' busybox netsta, because it's not installed on its own DocScrutinizer05. | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: possibly | 01:14 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | it sets a variable containing which directory to bindmount to at start of init.d | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya folks, me needs a beer out in the big black bluebox now | 01:15 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | and then proceed to source /etc/default/pymaemo-optify (which does this as well) lol | 01:15 |
| Sicelo | it's just a symlonk to busybox.. so when installing netstat standalone, it deletes the link and installs a 'real' netstat. if you ever uninstall it, the 'real' binary is deleted, and link to busybox restored | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: that would be awesome, if only busybox wouldn't PROVIDE:netstat | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so with apt you will run into troubles for sure | 01:16 |
| GogoPogo | gtg, will get back to you tomorrow | 01:17 |
| Sicelo | i don't see how. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with dpkg I dunno, but definitely will cause inconsistencies next time you run apt | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: that's why all that stuff is installed to bin/gnu/* and symlinked from /bin/g* -> /bin/gnu/* | 01:18 |
| * FredrIQ|n900 altered his PATH to prefer /usr/bin/gnu | 01:19 | |
| HRH_H_Crab | Sicelo: yep you were right it does need wpasupplicant | 01:19 |
| HRH_H_Crab | thanks! | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: actually I guess it's a pkg like busybox-alternatives or whatever that PROVIDEs netstat | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FredrIQ|n900: me too :-D | 01:19 |
| Sicelo | i have this netstat.. and not any other version of busybox. | 01:20 |
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| Sicelo | anyway, i understand your point | 01:20 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | busybox-symlinks-net-tools provides netstat | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now if that's not forced by mp-fremantle-pr then you can uninstall it and install proper netstat. otherwise it will uninstall whole mp-fremantle-pr | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what I actually did to get procps | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since messybox ps is unbearable either | 01:22 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | can't you just do it the same way as with coreutils-gnu? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since then no more updates, and I'm actually happy about it | 01:22 |
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| ashley | DocScrutinizer05: sorry, something came up; I'm here now; checked out GogoPogo's link, doesn't seem to be anything new or unseen, just the dumpHTML extension (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML) with some custom patches + a bunch of original shell scripts; the problem with dumpHTML is is that it's been broken (AFAIK) for a while and nobody's cared enough to do any serious work on it and there really isn't an alternative way to create s | 01:23 |
| ashley | tatic representations of MediaWiki pages | 01:23 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | allthough if a lot of packages is going to provide alternatives to busybox binaries, /usr/bin may end up like Program Files@windows after a while lol | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FredrIQ|n900: sure you could package procps in a way it doesn't conflict with messybox, like *-gnu does | 01:23 |
| Sicelo | anyway, my netstat doesn't come from the pkg FredrIQ|n900 mentioned either | 01:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: thanks for the info :-) | 01:24 |
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| Sicelo | ~$ dpkg -S $(which netstat) | 01:25 |
| Sicelo | netstat: /usr/bin/netstat | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I dunno | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# netstat -V | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | net-tools 1.60 | 01:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | Sicelo: the one I mentioned was /bin/netstat though - there's nothing in /usr/bin/ | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe messybox-basic has no netstat at all | 01:26 |
| ashley | database dumps are somewhat of a pain point...generating SQL or XML dumps is easy, but that's about it; obviously SQL dumps -- at least full dumps -- aren't suitable for public distribution, which leaves us with the XML ones...but those require a working MediaWiki instance to "read" the contents of such a dump, which isn't exactly ideal either | 01:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Dec 9 2012 /bin/netstat -> busybox | 01:27 |
| FIQ|n900 | seems like the busybox version maemo has do have netstat | 01:27 |
| Sicelo | i know the one FIQ|n900 mentions. anyway.. back to ecc3g .. any info for us.. which process if trying to access that site? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: aiui evopedia uses exactly mysql to get a full mediawiki-lookalike | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least those python scripts do | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/evopedia/evopedia_python/tree/master/mediawiki-1.14.0-evopediamod | 01:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | why juse evopedia over mediawiki? | 01:29 |
| FIQ|n900 | *use | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have nfc what *is* evopedia | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for above link | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/evopedia/ <- if that's evopedia then it uses a mysql db and stores wiki data there to somehow display it on browser locally later | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has even a function to generate random-page | 01:31 |
| nox- | evopedia is an offline wikipedia etc reader | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe somebody needs that nonsense on their local wiki | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: exactly | 01:32 |
| * nox- at least finds it useful (only the dumps are kinda old) | 01:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: and we want to feed it with wiki.m.o data | 01:32 |
| nox- | ah | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui it has all the functions to build his own db from dumps it downloads from http://wikipedia.org via wget | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/his/its/ | 01:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: and aiui it has all the functions to build its own db from dumps it downloads from http://wikipedia.org via wget | 01:33 |
| nox- | http://dumpathome.evopedia.info/dumps/finished/en | 01:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | that's some really big size differences on every dumps | 01:34 |
| nox- | yeah wp is growing fast... | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://dumpathome.evopedia.info/client | 01:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | note how the newest is 1/20 of a 1 year older dump | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patch that to point to wiki.m.o | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | done | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cheers | 01:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out | 01:35 | |
| nox- | FIQ|n900, Wikivoyage? thats not wp :) | 01:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh misread lol | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody is willing to patch it, I'm willing to run it on maemo.org locally and provide the dump | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no need for you to rape wiki.m.o and your DSL line and local PC | 01:37 |
| FIQ|n900 | doesn't w.m.o run mediawiki? | 01:40 |
| ashley | indeed it does | 01:42 |
| ashley | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Version | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shall not be hard to patch that client, ah? | 01:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | depends on how it gets the downloads | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't looked into it | 01:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | neither have I | 01:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | but it *should* be trivial to patch | 01:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | if patching is needed at all | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | URL needs patching for sure | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless that's a parameter | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | if it supports importing a local dump, I guess you could simply have a tmo dump instead | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | and I don't see how that would fail | 01:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | unless it *really tries to* avoid "unofficial" wikipedia variants | 01:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | which would be silly | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Source Code | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | github: http://github.com/evopedia/evopedia_qt (from version 0.4 on) | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Older versions: http://github.com/evopedia/evopedia_python | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: the client, however bloated, has a mediwiki subdir | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | given the tiny size of w.m.o (compared to wikipedia) I don't see any problem to run this client on your local PC and download w.m.o and ""create Wikipedia database dumps for use in the offline Wikipedia reader evopedia."" | 01:59 |
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| nox- | http://wiki.maemo.org/Evopedia | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 4. start the dump process | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | call createdump.sh | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (Don't be too optimistic though. After part of the day the database is filled with several gigabytes of downloaded wikipedia content, but something is broken and the final dump gives no results.) | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great, isn't it? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, have to run now | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds funny when they try to download a several terrabytes dump to a VFAT fs like Mydocs | 02:08 |
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| FIQ|n900 | why do you want to do this anyway? | 02:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | @ making maemo wiki available offline | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | because it's a sane thing to have the docs at hand when your internet acccess breaks | 02:12 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hmm point taken | 02:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | but isn't there an offline maemo wiki reader available already? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since, where else than in wiki (or tmo) would you look for the solution to your problem? | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno, never heard of any | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ | 02:13 |
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| FIQ|n900 | huh | 02:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | just went and was going to look for missing symlinks | 02:33 |
| FIQ|n900 | found this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2013-07-21 15:22 python-support.pth -> ../../pymodules/python2.5/.path - why is this a relative link? | 02:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh well | 02:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | perhaps it's supposed to be like that lol | 02:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | (that wouldn't explain the issue I had at all as it's irrelevant, just wondered why it was like that) | 02:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | it's only broken in the sense that following it directly (from /opt) would fail, allthough it's not really necessary to make it relative, is it? | 02:36 |
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| FIQ|n900 | well there we go, now *that* was fixed | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/695a4e8d8b | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HMMM älter als 8 Tage (Das Alter ist 204,3 Tage | 03:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 starts updatedb | 03:54 | |
| FIQ|n900 | hm... | 03:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | ran into delayed (not failed) bindmounts, but not sure why it stalls | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe quite interesting to see how updatedb made my drive acticity indicator LED shine red | 03:57 |
| FIQ|n900 | # Redirect stderr into the log file (don't forget to restore when exiting!) | 03:57 |
| FIQ|n900 | exec 2 >>"$protocol" | 03:57 |
| FIQ|n900 | then my own log file didn't show anything for a while | 03:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | checked the log file in question that it mentions | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you green now, while [2013-07-24 02:22:43] <FIQ|n900> well ther... was red? | 03:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: possibly because I had the nick FredrIQ|n900 before | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/24/plasma-desktopph3743.png | 03:59 |
| FIQ|n900 | and xchat didn't refresh until rejoin | 03:59 |
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| FIQ|n900 | oh yeah had FredrIQ|n900 at first during that session | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# time updatedb | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | real 1m22.686s | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user 0m48.125s | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sys 0m15.320s | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see any difference between <FIQ|n900> (red) and <FIQ|n900> (green) | 04:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | "# Check if /home/pot is mount bound to /opt" pot :D | 04:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: well | 04:03 |
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| FredrIQ|n900 | what | 04:04 |
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| FIQ|n900 | color do I have now? | 04:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 waits for checkered FIQ|n900 | 04:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RED | 04:04 |
| FIQ|n900 | that was my point :P | 04:04 |
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| FIQ|n900 | lol checkered | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc how konversation picks nick colors | 04:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | based on nick | 04:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | keeps same color on renick | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd have used md5sum%8 or sth | 04:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | before user rejoins | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on nick | 04:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | yeah | 04:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | that's what it does | 04:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | well not necessarily md5sum | 04:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | but some algoritm based on the nick | 04:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | however it keeps the same color if the user changes nick | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh I seee | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you say it depends om what nick you *joined* the channel | 04:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | (before the user leaves and come back with this new nick) | 04:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | yeah | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it seems it does | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 04:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | anyway, that logfile didn't really help explaining why bindmounts was delayed | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so <FIQ|n900>(RED) been <FIQ|n900><<joined as FredrIQ|n900> | 04:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | however - if it fails again | 04:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | like it did earlier todat | 04:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | *today | 04:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | perhaps I can figure it out | 04:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | yes | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make that "time mount bla brubble" | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also you might want to do "cat /proc/mounts" before | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if nuttin else helps: strace mount | 04:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | perhaps I should place a date before it switch logfile | 04:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: well | 04:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | the issue was not with the mount | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm afraid messybox will neuter that | 04:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | lol | 04:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | but anyway | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget the timestamp parameter for strace! | 04:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | basically, rcS-late switch to maemo-optify-boottime.log logfile (for exec 2) at a certain part in the script | 04:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | this phase took 2 minutes | 04:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | I'll place a date indicator at this part, and a real seperator between sessions (there's none making it hard to figure out where the current session is) in that other logfile | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah optify-boottime may take some while | 04:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | date +%x is convenient | 04:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and "trap 'echo ###############' exit" | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though nfc if that will work in friggin upstart scripts | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems rcS-late is in fact a upstart script, according to your pastebin | 04:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | uh huh? | 04:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | that was weird | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-23 23:59:33] <FIQ|n900> http://pastebin.com/v1MqcLLc rcS-late | 04:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | was going to edit rcS-late and search for exec twice, and the thing segfaulted lol | 04:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | (nano) | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | description "late rcS actions" | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 04:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start on started hal | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stop on stopping hal | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 04:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | console none | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 04:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | script | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thats upstart fuckup | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WOW I managed to post empty lines | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall to have done this ever before | 04:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | there's 1 space in them | 04:18 |
| SAiF | Good morning I guess? :) | 04:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | irc doesn't allow empty lines to be posted | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | goo (UGT) morning | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good* even | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ugt | 04:20 |
| infobot | ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS maemo will be my epithaph | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe NCIS on TV | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya | 04:22 |
| SAiF | okay,, Good (UGT) morning Doc...:) | 04:25 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hm apt still have localization issues in newest cssu | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | orly? | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo and I18n/l10n seems to not to go together well | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/842c222548 | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any questions, Watson? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compared to that apt-get http://privatepaste.com/166b40b011 looks awesome | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8291 | 04:36 |
| povbot_ | Bug 8291: Enable CONFIG_LOCALE_SUPPORT in busybox | 04:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: not as in a mess between swe/en | 04:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | but rather bogus confirmation requests | 04:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | asking Y/n but in fact only allows j/n | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm searching for the $LANG where "y" means "no" | 04:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | mentioned this on several occasions in here and also ended up posting it in cssu with lack for better place | 04:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | y as in yes | 04:37 |
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| FIQ|n900 | but anything else than yes (i.e. anything else than j in swedish locale) aborts | 04:37 |
| FIQ|n900 | so y aborts | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm a fan of hardcore: either use LANG=C, or for maemo use LANG=en_EN | 04:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | even though it asks specifically for y/n | 04:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | *this* is the issue | 04:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | asking for j/n and answering y would abort, is something I would be ok with (annoying but acceptable) | 04:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | asking for y/n and answering y doing an abort is not | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's not capable to read english manpages is doomed anyway in IT | 04:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | also just ran into this lovely bug in nano https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8285 | 04:39 |
| povbot_ | Bug 8285: Always crashes when using search in "nano" (ctrl+w) on device | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nano wtf | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nano is for sissies | 04:39 |
| bef0rd | nano ftw | 04:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | kinda annoying but at least there's a straight-forward solution | 04:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: full emacs isn't available on phone | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either you use vi or emacs, or you're a quicje-eater like me and use mcedit | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quiche | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~real-programmer | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless | 04:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | there's qemacs but didn't really like that clone | 04:41 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 04:41 | |
| FIQ|n900 | real programmers use butterflies, np | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~real-programmer is http://www-personal.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/Real.Programmer.Stories.html | 04:42 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 04:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | uhhhhhhh | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~real programmer is <reply>see real-programmer | 04:43 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 04:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | whoever made nano-2.0.7 as a solution didn't make the package conflict with nano ... | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 04:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | w/e | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine, since nano prolly is messybox | 04:44 |
| ecc3g | which is worse, nano or messybox-vi :D | 04:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | it's not | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the same binary anyway | 04:44 |
| FIQ|n900 | btw how come some packages' install say that they can't be certified? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cosidering there's nano and even pico, I ponder coding an editor called peta | 04:45 |
| FIQ|n900 | lol | 04:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | or micro | 04:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | as a nano successor | 04:46 |
| ecc3g | femto? | 04:46 |
| psycho_oreos | pico was the propriatory version that came with pine package. nano was just a free clone based off pico. | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | atto | 04:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | zepto | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Planck-quantum | 04:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | hooray | 04:47 |
| FIQ|n900 | now I can actually search | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll not use editors smaller than milli | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t-EXA | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome name | 04:49 |
| psycho_oreos | I started *ahem* BASH scripting with pico (there was no such thing known as nano back then). I saw another person using vi which had noticeably cooler UI including syntax highlighting. I'm certain nano still wouldn't even have syntax highlighting. | 04:49 |
| ecc3g | eight megs and constantly swaps. | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nano is a hoax | 04:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 80 | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 800 | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I rather use sed than nano | 04:51 |
| psycho_oreos | vi/m would easily point out if there was a syntax error (if it knows the language you are {typ,writ,edit}ing in), nano wouldn't even do things like that. | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HELL, even ed | 04:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if messybox has a ed plugin | 04:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ed: applet not found | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi is the only editor I know of that's *certified* to work on lines of mega-chars length without a single CR | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody else took the cheating easy shortcut to define a max-line-length | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | often 1024 chars | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you exceed that, $editor will either segfault, blow chunks, or insert linebreaks on its own | 04:56 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | ok, accidentally got a loose battery and device did a hard shutdown | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looked like that ;-P | 04:57 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | and ext3 partition went corrupt... gg | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS | 04:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Why isn't the battery cover even installed? | 04:58 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | http://pastebin.com/q2Tb44RZ seems kind of minor, but still | 04:58 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | psycho_oreos: of course it is | 04:58 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | but my battery set isn't exactly stable - merely opening the cover and holding n900 upside down will make it fall out instantly | 04:59 |
| psycho_oreos | FredrIQ|n900, >_> and the battery managed to slip out of its contacts and somehow landed in the battery case? | 04:59 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | so occasionally (rarely) if exposed to sudden moves, battery shorts temporary | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF are "fast symbolic links"? | 05:00 |
| psycho_oreos | Ideally you should have tightened those battery "prongs". | 05:00 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | psycho_oreos: no idea how to do this | 05:00 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | it has been like this for a while now, wasn't even aware it was easily fixable | 05:00 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: no idea | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FredrIQ|n900: bend out ypur spring levers! | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NAO! | 05:01 |
| psycho_oreos | FredrIQ|n900, you basically need something like a needle and you push towards in each other for each part. | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bend them out so far yu hardly can insert battery | 05:01 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: ok will look into this a more proper time (4am atm) | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same TZ | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except I got my private TZ | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is fuzzy | 05:02 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | hmm | 05:03 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | will try to fsck via BM | 05:03 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | this seems as a very minor issue so it should be done w/o issues | 05:03 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | ...hopefully | 05:03 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | brb | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. one block (un)claimed seems fixable | 05:03 |
| psycho_oreos | Should be thankful that its a journaled FS, if it wasn't.. lol. | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's NOT | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | journaling on a storage that writes 4MB pages is... brainfuck | 05:05 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O by default (according to wikipedia that is) its noted as a journal fs. | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JFFS is not journaling, ext3 is and better be not | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what fs had that missing block for FredrIQ|n900 | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck on NAND is brainfuck either | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/nand/jffs/ | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 05:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: :) | 05:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 05:08 |
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| FIQ|n900 | it says within BM's root console that the fs is clean | 05:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | perhaps those errors show up due to the fact that the fs is mounted? | 05:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | (fsck was done with -nv) | 05:09 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh yes my bad, the rootfs is ubifs. I was thinking of /home which is ext3. | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ubi or jffs, no diff | 05:09 |
| psycho_oreos | Yup. | 05:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: should I ignore the issue it shows given that BM fsck show no issues? | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except friggin ubi can NOT handle "small" volumes like "initrd" mtd | 05:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | ran it several times though, always same output (allthough once it displayed more issues, probably due to some temporary hiccup due to mounted fs) | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: I'd assume when it doesn't show it got fixed | 05:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, though it still show up within maemo with that command :p | 05:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | and fsck never did anything within BM in first place | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a bug then | 05:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | it just said it was clean | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck has a plethora of cmdline options | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try verbose+++ | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the suspect volume? | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | / ? | 05:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | /home | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 05:14 |
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| FIQ|n900 | speaking of / | 05:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | can you even fsck that? | 05:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | ubifs | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, run a fsck against that volume in BM, with all the firearms loaded, live and unlocked | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck of ubi/jffs is a brainfart | 05:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | what if it gets corrupt? | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it either auto-recovers or you're fux0red | 05:16 |
| FIQ|n900 | mkay | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see man ubifs | 05:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | no manpage for it apparently lol | 05:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | or jffs for that matter | 05:17 |
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| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: btw | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBIFS | 05:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | if battery dies | 05:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | is that a clean shutdown? | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not a excellent starting point, but... | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 05:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | forced by os yes, but still clean | 05:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | ok | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since battery can provide power down to 2.5V, but shutdown happens way earlier (if bme is running) | 05:19 |
| FIQ|n900 | noes, no possibility of using all capacity! | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an unclean/hard shutdown would be one that's triggered by hw/pmu for low voltage, without even kernel taking care of the signals bouncing off every wall | 05:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: just for curiousity, do "system upgrades" override this decision? given the potential damage if it shuts down I mean | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 05:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | well | 05:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | OTA updates | 05:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | cssu and such | 05:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | pr1.x | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you mean if system acts different regarding shutdown on ow batvolt while upgrading/flashing? | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | low* | 05:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | yeah | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure, but probably yes | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dont think a running flashing process gets aborted on lowbat | 05:24 |
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| FIQ|n900 | perhaps it puts it in a state that makes resuming the update possible once booted again (allthough this is possibly done automatically) | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | once it started, system should try to finish it by all means | 05:24 |
| FIQ|n900 | yeah | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like 911 calls | 05:25 |
| FIQ|n900 | shouldn't the system try to put failsafes in place anyway though? | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the only calls allowed on overtemperature and low battery or too cold battery | 05:25 |
| FIQ|n900 | like a backup binary/script running on boot resuming it immediately on power fail | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't resume | 05:26 |
| shawnjefferson | Anyone familiar with compiling for thumb? | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just can refuse to even start flashing when there's no safety headroom | 05:26 |
| FIQ|n900 | that's of course true :p | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon is familar with thumb stuff | 05:27 |
| shawnjefferson | he's not in the channel at the moment I don't think | 05:27 |
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| shawnjefferson | I'm wondering how you can tell if an executable is compiled for thumb or not. the file command gives the same output generally | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OK, my "nanny" ordered I shall ask for a job. So: does any of you have a job for me? preferably related to maemo maintenance, community moderation, hw-review&QA? | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: you can't simply tell for sure, the only way to tell apart thiumb binaries from ARM binaries is by looking at impair jump addr | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so teh cmdline I came up with had sth like "grep [o-9abcdef]*[13579bdf]" | 05:31 |
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| FIQ|n900 | you can mow my lawn for $1/h if you like | 05:31 |
| FIQ|n900 | (jk) | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tell me your garage account so I can find the lawn | 05:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | lol | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll eventually stop managing/maintainig maemo.org infra when I don't have any source of income that allows me to do that, either by no income at all or by no time at all | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh when sufficient donations or a contract with salary gives me opportunity to continue to dedicate 24/7 of my time to maemo, I for sure will prefer that option | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3 weeks ago I though what an easy life that would be when every maemo.org user would pay 5ct / month for me to make a living | 05:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 05:37 |
| FIQ|n900 | make a f2p game, instant rich allthough people will hate you | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | people will hate me when I stop keeping maemo.org et al alive, though only for 12h until they forget about me | 05:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | hahah :P | 05:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | @ the latter | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you say "why don't you work in a job at McDonalds for 10h, and dedicate the rest of your time to maemo.org, like everybody else?" - simple answer: I can't | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | McD doesn't like me being late due to fixing some urgent stuff in maemo | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, as hard as it may sound, this is becoming a "all or nothing" question for me | 05:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as I can afford maemo.org by any means, I'm 100% dedicated to it. But that will have to stop pretty soon | 05:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | Current economy is tough, the only way is to look at alternatives, like spreading the workload out and/or use advertising services. I know there will be lots of anger and hatred but it may keep the service alive. | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already pondered a "premium service" where everybody has to register and pay a 8$/year to access *.m.o on a high-availability level | 05:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't, you have to face no support, no high nadwidth acces, and a number of other convenience options missing | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bandwidth* | 05:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | as long as you don't make using the repositories harder, do whatever you want | 05:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | @ premium utilities | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you volunteer to contribute to maintenance | 05:53 |
| shawnjefferson | sharing the load is probably the best option... although it's tough to get people involved I suppose (and those with some tech skills too) | 05:53 |
| * FIQ|n900 could definitely see himself donating to keep maemo.org alive | 05:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it is a game with negative balance for the first few weeks or months | 05:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | not sure if I could help in other ways though | 05:54 |
| * psycho_oreos thinks as soon as there's premium services becomes an option, there would be people willing to try and make a mirror out of *.m.o beforehand. | 05:54 | |
| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: regarding donations, wouldn't you be able to request donations from fsf? | 05:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | dunno how that works though | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now I manage donations that for 49/50 I may not touch to buy me a pizza | 05:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | but given that you're a not-for-profit organization towards something they support at a reasonable size, they could probably help | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'd prefer to not manage them at all - hope I get rid of this task as soon as new HiFo BoD sorts issues with official paypal account | 05:57 |
| psycho_oreos | They're still waiting from that one person to sort things out? | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, basically | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xyawn | 05:59 |
| infobot | good coffee | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 05:59 |
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| * psycho_oreos shakes head and wonders how active is that one person. Maybe if that one person didn't give that much personal contact info, then it might be safer to somehow use an alternative way (i.e. assign a new person, notify the old person that they were not able to contact with him/her. Then the new person quickly takes on the role of getting it sorted). | 06:01 | |
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| psycho_oreos | If they were to leave you hanging by a thread when you're struggling already then I guess in some ways it can be an open invitation to try and look at alternatives until they manage to get themselves sorted. | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's already established | 06:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | or simply ask this person stalling everything to actually do something? | 06:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't know, if they were notified of new changes but they seem to have lost interest in it. Then its time to seek alternate solutions rather than still hoping for that one person to come back. | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I simply stopped taking care about a lot of all that | 06:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'd also notify members of HiFo BoD that you're facing a difficult situation and that you can no longer keep maintaining. If they can't sort this out within time you need to try and make amends on somehow making the service alive whilst being funded from some other source. | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I simply wonder if that's a sustainable situation when 1 of 1000 bothers to help in whatever way, while 999/1000 have an approach of "it stll works. if it stops working, I'll have to think about alternatives" | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and particularly I wonder how much of a fool I am to waste my life on that 1/1000 | 06:14 |
| psycho_oreos | Probably not, but that's pretty much how projects die when the rest doesn't really care. To make matters worse is really the economy, I'd help out if I could but I've got personal issues on my own. | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: not asking you to help out | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this wouldn't help in the end | 06:15 |
| SAiF | I wish I could do something, I am not technically skilled, and I am a student with part time job, Tell me if there is something I can do.. | 06:15 |
| psycho_oreos | I know, just inputting on where I stand as well. | 06:15 |
| FIQ|n900 | how much is needed economically for maemo.org to still work | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need more manpower, and I need a job, either crwdfunded or sponsored by a company interested in maemo, or I vanish here and do sth else | 06:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually council could do >>Hiring of maemo.org staff<< | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Council_work | 06:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this was a normal thing when Nokia paid for it. Maybe community could think about allowing same for council to do from funds that council/HiFo collects | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: you were interested in...? | 06:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW what VMs you need an account? | 06:24 |
| shawnjefferson22 | It was mainly autobuilder i guess, mainly because it seemed the system having the most issues that needed some help | 06:27 |
| * psycho_oreos wonders if that council work page is still relevant, last modification was not long ago yet there were still topics like N900 DDP and that they cannot change nokia's commercial decision on commercial support for meego on N900. | 06:29 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shawnjefferson: please try ssh sjeffers@www.maemo.org | 06:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: I dunno if it's still relevant. Heck, I dunno if maemo at large is any more relevant | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: we could do a little experiment: I shut down repo.m.o and www.m.o and wiki.m.o, then let's see how long it takes till *anybody* complains | 06:37 |
| shawnjefferson22 | DocScrutinzer05: did you use the ssh key I sent to techstaff email? if so i need to get on my other computer to test | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or do you want me to use a different key? | 06:37 |
| shawnjefferson22 | no, that's good, it's just my daughter is watching a movie on that computer at the moment. I'll try a bit later and let you know. Thanks! | 06:39 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, LOL @ the latter comment. I was thinking along the same lines as well, just show the page 503 Service Unavailable. That would really put a fire on some people's back :D. I found an interesting page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Community_fund | 06:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that is the ancient page where some council member first considered what today became HiFo? | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it is | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_Council/Community_fund&action=history ;-P | 06:41 |
| psycho_oreos | Notable stuff mentioned there but took them awhile to get new BoD sorted, it states that "Upon being elected, the Council would select a Treasurer for their term. This must be completed within four weeks of the election." So by the fourth week, the current (which would be now known as the outgoing) treasurer would be considered no longer active. | 06:42 |
| * psycho_oreos just looks at the footer information instead. "This page was last modified on 26 March 2011, at 13:40" | 06:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but it also needs current treasurer (who actually is never been appointed as treasurer) to hand over access to the assets | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all hail to jaffa for setting up that page and the whole idea, first instance | 06:45 |
| psycho_oreos | Ultimately the person who was never been appointed as the treasurer sort of now "ran away" with those assets. | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure about that | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask BoD | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly feel a severe burnout syndrome whenever thinking about any of that stuff | 06:47 |
| psycho_oreos | I was reading one of their minute sessions and it was supposedly one person that was not there at the time of meeting which ironically was controlling the finances. | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 06:49 |
| psycho_oreos | Besides its been weeks since that meeting was there. | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while stuff like new marble version upload to repo block on infra not working and nobody taking care | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and all other stuff bitrots as well | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repo schizoid fremantle-1.3 vs fremantle pending since start of January | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repo also has checksum errors again | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user account data not propagating from garage to the other VM | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | repo management spammed database with bogus recuring "remiving old package version", but doesn't handle promote (even from autobulder to extras-devel), delete, or proper signing new repo packages.gz | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until we recently disabled it to stop the spamming | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apache blows chunks on any "unusual" load, e.g from web spiders | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and midgard... don't ask | 06:58 |
| psycho_oreos | I've heard from time to time midgard issues were appearing. | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all of this been heritage either from not doing any service during summer til newyear 2012, or (most of it) even got introduced during migration#1 | 06:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | I guess inevitably due to dying interests, even at this point in time there's only very few chatting activities going on compared to what was then more active. | 07:21 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 08:29 |
| DrCode | when using maemo format on microsd, what filetype it make? | 08:29 |
| DrCode | fat or ext2? | 08:29 |
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| SAiF | most fones do Fat, i guess. I dont know maemo though | 09:00 |
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| brolin_empey | Pali: Can you please add some new products (USB Vendor ID + Product ID) to asix.c and dm9601.c in the Maemo 5 power kernel? | 09:04 |
| Pali | brolin_empey: yes, please send me patch | 09:05 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: My patches have been to asix.ko and dm9601.ko instead of asix.c and dm9601.c . | 09:06 |
| Pali | what? patching binary files?? | 09:07 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: However, only my patch to asix.ko seems to have succeeded. | 09:08 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: Yes, I patched the .ko binary files because I did not want to sidetrack myself with the project of trying to rebuild the power kernel from source. | 09:09 |
| Pali | ah... | 09:10 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: Can I provide just the new USB Vendor ID + Product ID combinations to add? I need only 2 additions to dm9601.c and 1 addition to asix.c . | 09:12 |
| Pali | if you can create patch file | 09:12 |
| Pali | $ diff -Naurp file.org file.new > patch | 09:13 |
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| brolin_empey | Pali: You can just copy and paste an existing product entry and change the IDs. | 09:14 |
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| Pali | or send me new edited files | 09:15 |
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| brolin_empey | Pali: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/drivers/net/usb/asix_devices.c?id=refs/tags/v3.10.2#n1046 | 09:26 |
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| brolin_empey | Pali: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/drivers/net/usb/asix_devices.c?id=refs/tags/v3.10.2#n1046 | 09:27 |
| Pali | please can you send me at least changed file(s)? Do not want to guess which other structures need to be added... | 09:28 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: Yes, I can try. Is there any chance of using a newer Linux kernel than version 2.6.28 on Maemo 5? | 09:32 |
| Pali | brolin_empey: I'm already trying it... but GSM/3G not working | 09:32 |
| Pali | and lot of other closed source nokia apps not working too... | 09:33 |
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| brolin_empey | Pali: Using a newer kernel on Maemo 5 seems better than trying to backport changes from kernel version 3.x to the antiquated kernel version 2.6.28 . | 09:35 |
| Pali | no, no | 09:35 |
| Pali | upstream kernel on maemo5 is unusable | 09:35 |
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| Pali | and never be, because of nokia closed source apps which cannot be diagnoticated & fixed | 09:36 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: Specifically which applications are unusable with a newer kernel version? | 09:37 |
| Pali | Phone application | 09:37 |
| Pali | MCE daemon | 09:37 |
| Pali | everything with GSM/3G stack | 09:37 |
| Pali | accelerometer applications | 09:38 |
| Pali | and upstream kernel has very bad power saving | 09:38 |
| brolin_empey | Pali: OK, then can we just backport the products added to both asix.c and dm9601.c since kernel version 2.6.28 ? | 09:39 |
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| Sicelo | btw, which is 'power-saving' state of cpu.. C0 or C4? | 11:54 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hi | 12:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | so the stalling happened again | 12:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | this time I was able to follow the progress exactly | 12:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | and the issue seems to be on this command: | 12:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | initctl emit MOUNTS_OK | 12:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | in rcS-late | 12:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | This command was running for 7 minutes straight without anything else happening | 12:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | this is provided by upstart, and I don't know how initctl works internally or why it might stall for several minutes | 12:12 |
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| FIQ|n900 | heh... googling "initctl stalling" brought up an ubuntu forum post, and http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html ouch! | 12:23 |
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| DrCode | hi al | 13:46 |
| DrCode | all | 13:46 |
| DrCode | if I use maemo format for microsf , what filetype it uses? | 13:47 |
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| Sicelo | DrCode: FAT | 14:03 |
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| DrCode | wow, I see | 14:34 |
| DrCode | thank you | 14:34 |
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| brolin_empey | Wow, I suck at (digital still) photography: out of 24 shots, only 1 is actually worth publishing. :/ | 15:02 |
| brolin_empey | 24 shots of the same subject in the same place. :/ | 15:06 |
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| FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer05: psycho_oreos: thanks for the tip regarding loose battery | 15:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | I solved it partially - can't solve it fully as I noticed something annoying | 15:07 |
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| FIQ|n900 | one of my batteries has had its' topmost (opposite side of connector) piece of plastic gone | 15:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | asked about this in here before, this is no issue with its' usage, no increased risks etc | 15:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | however, it apparently has a *significant* effect on how the springs/whatever hold it in place | 15:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | I used my stylus (which I don't use otherwise - wouldn't have cared if it broke, which it didn't) to bend up these | 15:09 |
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| FIQ|n900 | It made the "complete" battery sit in place again, and even to the point it was becoming hard to put in | 15:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | The other, on the other hand, while not falling if device is held upside down anymore, is still loose | 15:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | And as I want to be able to use both of my batteries, I can't bend it further as that would make the complete one a pain or even impossible to insert | 15:11 |
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| FIQ|n900 | Better than how it was before, but not perfect | 15:12 |
| FIQ|n900 | I assume this solution will at least prevent random shutdowns if sudden moves happen | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ|n900: how about fixing your broken battery? adding some arbitrary piece of plastic cut to shape shouldn't be too hard to do | 15:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | I guess that could work, dunno what would be optimal though | 15:20 |
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| brolin_empey | http://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/9358788130/ | 15:53 |
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| Sicelo | 3 | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | BOOM | 16:27 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: prboom? ;-) | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now for my daily 15min frustrating experience: /join #kde, ask some obvious but probably annoying questions about kmail and GPG | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Woody14619 | 19:29 |
| SAiF | Doc, you dont sleep? | 19:31 |
| Woody14619 | hi DocScrutinizer05. :) | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: why should I sleep? | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SAiF: when you mean the C-states, I usually have at least 20% C4 and >75% lower than C1 | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | C0 is needed only for seconds | 19:43 |
| SAiF | you are funny, idont understand most of what you are saying. | 19:47 |
| SAiF | neever mind :) | 19:47 |
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| ecc2g | I need time to be moved to S3 | 20:00 |
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| thedead1440 | SAiF: there is never a time for sleeping in JRTSV (doc | 20:35 |
| thedead1440 | s/(doc/(doc's own timezone)/ | 20:35 |
| infobot | thedead1440 meant: SAiF: there is never a time for sleeping in JRTSV (doc's own timezone) | 20:35 |
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| SAiF | Any way I am gonna sleep. good night (UGT) .. :) | 20:45 |
| Apic | cu B-) | 20:45 |
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| Earthwings_ | hi DocScrutinizer05, long time no see :) | 23:20 |
| Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: can you look into account/permission stuff? shentey asked for permission to upload packages to extras-devel some weeks ago, but nothing happened seemingly | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I answered we proceeded the request but the borked infra might not work as supposed, and we need feedback what doesn't work and needs further hard kicks in the buttocks | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I can look in some of the permission stuff, when I know what for to look exactly | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: shentey has extras-account status: accepted | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a known problem that garage account status doesn't propagate to the other VMs | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: sorry I can't check every single detail to make sure what's OK and what needs manual fixing. I need specific reports about stuff that doesn't work, and which account, URL, whatever I shall look at. | 23:42 |
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| df_newbie | is there a way to activate the cameras flash light (via console or something), while another app is using & blocking the camera, but does not support activating the flashlight? | 23:44 |
| df_newbie | on the n900~ | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, hardly | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno but i'd guess the v4l2 dev/video or whatever interface can't get opened by multiple processes concurrently | 23:46 |
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| df_newbie | yea, but the flashlight shouldnt be part of the v4l device context, should it? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh, iirc the flashlight applet actually *needs* camera opened to show up in system menu | 23:47 |
| df_newbie | was just hoping there was some device node for the flashlight like there is for the keyboard leds | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the flashlight *is* part of the v4l2 interface afaik | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas there isn't | 23:47 |
| df_newbie | ah.. damn | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (a device node for flash leds) | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look into flashlight applet, I think it's python | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would mean you basically already got your cmdline way to activate it | 23:48 |
| df_newbie | well i was playing around with the phonestreamer thing (stream video over wlan to laptop), but its horrid under dark'ish light conditions. sadly, it doesnt know about the flashlight it seems | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems flashlight is the app for you | 23:50 |
| Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: ok, thanks for looking into that. I'll forward it to him and ask him to contact you with more details. | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: thanks! | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-24 05:51:32] <DocScrutinizer05> while stuff like new marble version upload to repo block on infra not working and nobody taking care | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-07-24.log.html#t2013-07-24T06:51:33 | 23:52 |
| df_newbie | DocScrutinizer05: no, because it too requires exclusive access to the camera it seems... but ill check the source and see how they do it; maybe its just a "weak" check or whatever | 23:53 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 23:54 |
| DrCode | when I run easydebian , I run it has virtualbox or somthing? | 23:54 |
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| bef0rd | as a chroot DrCode | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, flashlight also doesn't work with camera | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nicocam knows "t" key for toggling flashlight | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (the cssu-t camera app) | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, I guess that's not a weak check, it's a system level file-lock that doesn't allow multiple handles to the video device | 23:58 |
| df_newbie | that app doesnt stream video though, does it? | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which app? | 23:59 |
| df_newbie | and yea, the flashlight app is written in c and retrieves the flashlight context from hal or something.. ah well | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nicocam? | 23:59 |
| df_newbie | yea, nico | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that I knew of | 23:59 |
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