| Sicelo | will try it on others | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's some weird semi-standard | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as on some level of input stack F1 is sth like ESC~1 | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but timing is relevant | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X11 then translates this to "F11" | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it probably depends on the input mode the program uses | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: all of the last few lines is wild guessing | 00:03 |
| Sicelo | ;) | 00:04 |
| Sicelo | i did remap my keyboard for the Function keys though | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure the better way | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly never really realized since most of the time I access N900 via ssh and proper 114key kbd on PC | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usefulness of htop on N900 screen is limited anyway | 00:05 |
| Sicelo | yeah. well for me it's the other way round.. i access almost everything on N900 | 00:06 |
| Sicelo | limited? well, i find it very useful | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, it's too cluttered | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for particular tasks like killing a process you first want to spot which one, it's sure great | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | doing proper key-remapping is on my todo list nevertheless (since years) | 00:09 |
| Sicelo | vi created a really nice one. i just edited a few parts of it | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and I have to admit I probably dunno where to find it | 00:16 |
| Sicelo | wiki .. i can lookup the url . | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen vi_ | 00:17 |
| infobot | vi_ <~vi_@87.19.113.87.dyn.plus.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 113d 21h 57m 13s ago, saying: '~smite infobot'. | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen vi__ | 00:17 |
| infobot | vi__ <~Thunderbi@proxy.ei-info.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 6h 53m 5s ago, saying: 'Lava_Croft: It is Friday. Have a beer.'. | 00:17 |
| Sicelo | ha! | 00:18 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: any idea what voltage(s) the OpenMoko debug board JTAG will work at? or if it's still available to buy anywhere? | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check goldelico and pulster. Voltage should be pretty standard | 00:19 |
| Luke-Jr | there is no standard AFAIK :| | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however check schematics | 00:19 |
| Luke-Jr | I don't comprehend schematics | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so lemme have a look | 00:19 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tnx | 00:20 |
| Sicelo | hi Luke-Jr | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/debug_board/OpenMoKo_Debug_Board_V3_MP.pdf | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: TPS2149IDGN provides VCC3 which is voltage of all JTAG | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via LDO_OUT. sorry that's all I can tell | 00:25 |
| Luke-Jr | Didn't you design it? XD | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | theoreticall the FTDI chip might control voltage of LDO by PWRON1/2# outputs to TPS2149IDGN inputs #EN1/2, but I don't know if the LDO does any voltage switching this way. I actually doubt it | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, I didn't design it | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find datasheet of TPS2149IDGN, see what it can do for LDO_OUT, particularly how's that related to #EN1/2 | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 00:28 |
| Luke-Jr | looks like just 3.3V | 00:31 |
| Luke-Jr | which is technically what I need in this case *ponders* | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: so maybe actually de-facto standard? | 00:43 |
| Luke-Jr | maybe | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however, beware! N900 UART testpins emit magic blue smoke on 3V3, they're 2V8 iirc | 00:44 |
| Luke-Jr | O.o | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I would guess same applies for all OMAP direct IO, incl JTAG | 00:44 |
| Luke-Jr | I'm not sure what that means? OMAP likes to do EMPs? :P | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you don't know what it means, then stay away from OMAP devices with your JTAG or any other weird electric device | 00:50 |
| Luke-Jr | :/ | 00:52 |
| Luke-Jr | JTAG is needed for software, not hardware | 00:52 |
| Luke-Jr | I shoudln't have to know hardware to do software | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | EH? | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JTAG is clearly a hw thing | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as hw as it gets | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | abusing it for sw debugging purposes is a dual use nobody thought of | 01:24 |
| ecc3g | actually it has... | 01:25 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: The mc hexadecimal editor functioned unexpectedly so I abandoned it and used bless. I usually do not use mc so being unable to directly run the mc hexadecimal editor like I can for mcedit is inconvenient. At least with bless, I can directly run it and specify the file to edit on the command line. | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_scan | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: fine | 01:26 |
| ecc3g | i've used a supposedly hardware debugger tool that goes through JTAG that can single step/breakpoint instructions on the target CPU on the system... I'd call that software debugging using JTAG :D | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: so what? | 01:27 |
| ecc3g | just countering the fact that it has been done before, people have used this tool to debug OSes. | 01:27 |
| brolin_empey | However, toggling between Insert mode and Overwrite mode in bless seems to require an Insert key, which the N900’s integrated keyboard seems to lack. | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, JTAG _usually_ allows you to directly access many of the CPU registers, read them and even write new content to them | 01:28 |
| ecc3g | (and firmware) | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: again, so what? | 01:28 |
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| ecc3g | You said nobody thought of it. This tool has been around for years. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: how does that make the statement >><Luke-Jr> JTAG is needed for software, not hardware - I shoudln't have to know hardware to do software<< any more true? | 01:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks and adds "thought of when defining/inventing JTAG" | 01:30 | |
| ecc3g | actually this tool you don't need to know hardware, they made it so good that the hardware was abstracted away... but rarely it gets this good | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JTAG clearly been invented for HARDWARE purposes | 01:30 |
| ecc3g | that I don't disagree with | 01:30 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: regardless, I need it for software. | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody even though of using it as sw debugger when it got implemented | 01:31 |
| Luke-Jr | doesn't matter | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: I'm bored diskussing this. I don't have to justify / defend JTAG to you | 01:32 |
| Luke-Jr | that's what it's used for today. that's what I need it for. | 01:32 |
| Luke-Jr | it's impossible to do software without JTAG on chips today. | 01:32 |
| Luke-Jr | thus I need JTAG | 01:32 |
| ecc3g | You can write your own software and design your own chips so that you can do that | 01:32 |
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| Luke-Jr | I've already written software that can do JTAG via FT232R-based chip bitbanging, even. I just need hardware :/ | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_scan | 01:33 |
| ecc3g | that software is easy, you need to know the jtag regs inside the chip you want to scan. A lot of that is even nondocumented | 01:33 |
| ecc3g | boundary is documented granted | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please take it to #texas-instruments, or whatever the chipset you are missing a think like USB to plug your unified debugger tool to | 01:34 |
| ecc3g | but that doesnt get you anywhere with software debug | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | JTAG is *not* a debugger iterface, by design. take it or leave it | 01:35 |
| ecc3g | even worse, normally you select a chain that scans the boundary. then there's the secret proprietary scan sequence that you can do to scan internal state - and that's what you need to do software debug - and this is very very chip specific | 01:35 |
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| brolin_empey | Anyway, the reason I needed a hexadecimal editor on Maemo 5 was so that I could patch my asix.ko Loadable Kernel Module to recognise my D-Link DUB-E100 USB to Ethernet adapter hardware version C1 instead of only hardware version B1 and earlier. After manually patching asix.ko , I have successfully internetworked Maemo 5 on my Nokia N900 handheld computer via an Ethernet Wired LAN. :D | 01:37 |
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| ecc3g | heh, was thinking about getting a wired lan adaptor for my n900 but wifi had to do... :o | 01:38 |
| brolin_empey | Who currently maintains the power51 kernel? I need the maintainer to update asix.c to add support for the current hardware version C1 of the D-Link DUB-E100 . | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: now that's interesting | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty please pester pali of freemangordon about it | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd even suggest to add a kernel module cmdline parameter id=<chip_id> | 01:42 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: “s/of/or/” ? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you could load the module via (modprobe) asix.ko id=C1 | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, *or* freemangordon | 01:43 |
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| ecc3g | do most people here have OTG cables or use a F-F adaptor on a regular cable? :o | 01:44 |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: pali seems to currently be absent. freemangordon: Are you around? | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (parameter) ...since I done exactly what you did, for several modules on PC already, and each time I thought "WTF why isn't there a simple way to specify the valid ID for the module?" | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: the latter | 01:45 |
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| brolin_empey | ecc3g: I have both; I usually use a single USB OTG cable. | 01:45 |
| ecc3g | I have both as well, but leaning towards the F-F adaptor, once I find some more good A-B cables... | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | OTG cables are usually micro-USB both ends, no? | 01:47 |
| ecc3g | the OTG cable I have has a F type A fullsized USB on one end, and microusb on other... | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Cable_plugs_.28USB_1.x.2F2.0.29 | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: that's not a OTG cable | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | UGH! >>In addition to the above cable assemblies comprising two plugs, an "adapter" cable with a Micro-A plug and a Standard-A receptacle is compliant with USB specifications.[29] << | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not though cables with a micro-B-plug and standard-A-receptacle | 01:51 |
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| ecc3g | Micro-USB used as OTG is kind of messed up as it is, but seems a lot of phones use this screwed up combo | 01:51 |
| ecc3g | err.. micro-USB-B used as a host | 01:52 |
| brolin_empey | freemangordon: Please see message #3 of this Russian topic: http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?ref=SERP&br=ro&mkt=en-CA&dl=en&lp=RU_EN&a=http%3a%2f%2f4pda.ru%2fforum%2findex.php%3fshowtopic%3d365154 | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc3g: yes, micro-B is not allowed for USB-host | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even for OTG | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an OTG device capable to go into host (A) mode needs a A receptacle | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the ID pin on micro-B receptacles is just for the plug's sake, which in turn needs the ID pin to allow detection of B plug in A receptacle | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you as well could find micro-B-receptacles and plugs that don't have any conducting pin on ID position | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | micro-A plug has ID shorted to GND, micro-B must have it not-connected | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus a true OTG device with micro-A receptacle knows whether it has an A plug plugged and thus should go A/host mode, or a B plug and thus shall go B/device mode | 01:58 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I wanted to photograph my Nokia N900 internetworked via a USB to Ethernet adapter but the dedicated digital still camera at ${WORK} is currently unusable; I will have to use my dedicated digital still camera at ${HOME} or bring said camera to ${WORK} tomorrow. | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, id=2001:1a02 | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously NOT id=C1 | 02:05 |
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| jk4 | hi there. i'm wondering if anyone has a copy of joikuspot for n900. | 02:08 |
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| jk4 | I bought it a couple years ago, but can't find the download, my ovi credentials or my joiku credentials | 02:09 |
| jk4 | so if someone had it around, i'd be pretty pleased. taking off on a trip tomorrow | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tried qthotspot? | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: if you can read that forum native languge, please suggest lsusb to them | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or in windows, I guess device manager details has the USB ID as well | 02:19 |
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| definity | Is their a way to veiw the n900 GPD coords in terminal? | 02:22 |
| M4rtinK | definity: GPS ? | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | interesting question | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not (yet) | 02:28 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: You could reply in English because they can at least read and write English in addition to Russian. | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even passing the registration ;-) | 02:30 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Why not? | 02:31 |
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| jk4 | i'll be damned the joiku repo is still in the catalog | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably because I can't read it | 02:31 |
| jk4 | must just not have any binaries | 02:31 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: At least PaulFertser is fluent in Russian but he is not in this channel. | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jk4: I hardly heard of a single user using joghurt sport during last 2 years | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jk4: there are several free *hotspot apps | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | paul better was fluent in Russian, he's a born Moskovic | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 02:34 |
| jk4 | looking at the others too | 02:36 |
| jk4 | have to install special kernel though | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik joku does too | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd consider KP generally stable meanwhile | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you rely on / use special modern tweaks like bme-replacement or whatnot | 02:37 |
| jk4 | don't think so | 02:38 |
| jk4 | some openvpn config files | 02:38 |
| jk4 | so i haz to install extras testing and extras-devel yeah | 02:38 |
| jk4 | ? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need extras-testing | 02:38 |
| jk4 | just devel? | 02:38 |
| jk4 | i'm looking at some instructions on the maemo wiki | 02:39 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Have you tried using software to translate the registration page? That is how I successfully registered for some Polish torrent Web site despite my very limited knowledge of the Polish language. | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you may need extras-devel temporarily for installing KP and qthotspot | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: I'm not exactly interested in registering with that forum | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all I wouldn't find a thing even when searching for it, unless somebody tells me which thread to translate and read | 02:40 |
| jk4 | fremantle for n900 right? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 02:40 |
| jk4 | n900 maemo is fremantle? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the catalog? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, N900 is fremantle | 02:41 |
| jk4 | goood | 02:42 |
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| jk4 | the package in app manager is described as "linux kernel for power use (settings and overclock)"? | 02:45 |
| jk4 | appears so | 02:46 |
| Drathir | mostly eng sites have better content than polish... | 02:46 |
| Drathir | oc is not prefered i think... | 02:48 |
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| Drathir | brolin_empey: or ask someone who know polish language... | 02:51 |
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| jk4 | booting... | 02:53 |
| * jk4 holds breath | 02:53 | |
| Drathir | im dont know deutsch lang but eg. DocScrutinizer05 explain very well and clear to eng... | 02:54 |
| jk4 | success seemingly | 02:54 |
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| jk4 | hotspot didn't just yell at me this time | 02:54 |
| jk4 | seems promising | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice bon mot: >>When a company or industry is facing changes to its business due to technology, it will argue against the need for change based on the moral importance of its work, rather than trying to understand the social underpinnings.<< | 02:56 |
| Drathir | ~seen pali | 02:57 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5h 9m 39s ago, saying: 'yes'. | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | soooo... how do YOU sign/crypt your emails? | 02:58 |
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| jk4 | enigmail | 03:00 |
| jk4 | qt hotspot or mobile hotspot? | 03:00 |
| Drathir | on maemo is avaible any option of pgp crypt? im thinking that only mutt can handle thatlll | 03:00 |
| jk4 | oh on maemo i should have guessed :p | 03:00 |
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| jk4 | no idea. i don't do serious email on it though i know there are some better clients than the default | 03:00 |
| Drathir | -lll | 03:01 |
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| Drathir | mean pgp crypt of emails... | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | another golden one:>>Never argue against logic with emotion, or against emotion using logic.<< | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually didn't focus maemo | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enigmail seems to work, yes | 03:02 |
| Drathir | that good one... | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jk4: I think qthotspot is a tad newer. Dunno which works better | 03:03 |
| brolin_empey | Drathir: The Polish torrent Web site is http://tnt24.info/ . IIRC, I registered because they offered something I could not find anywhere else: IIRC, a studio album from the musical group/band named Moulin Rouge. | 03:04 |
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| Drathir | boyes right that site is exbeption sometimes hav goot content, but not sure now magnets avaible w/o register...btw moulin rouge is great musical... | 03:12 |
| Drathir | laags... | 03:14 |
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| Drathir | brolin_empey: * exception , have , good | 03:15 |
| jk4 | don't remember installing a special kernel for joiku but i must have | 03:15 |
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| jk4 | know if qt mobile hotspot's usb deal works with linux? | 03:16 |
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| Drathir | jk4: confirm working with arch, but must see which one mobile or qt... | 03:21 |
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| Drathir | that was mobile hotspot | 03:23 |
| jk4 | hmmpf! | 03:28 |
| jk4 | thanks! will check it out | 03:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | joikuspot looks just rather polished. Nothing all that special otherwise considering there's QtMobilehotspot which also does the job (albeit less nice looking). | 03:53 |
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| Drathir | :/ mutt: Depends: slang1a-utf8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) but it is not installable | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eeew | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jk4: allegedly bot qt* and mobile do the USB thing | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both* | 04:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | I found a site that has joikuspot left out for world to see (lol). Not my site though. | 04:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Seems like there is that amongst a few other freebies. | 04:43 |
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| jk4 | god 2.5g is slow :p | 05:04 |
| jk4 | at&t on n900 | 05:05 |
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| jk4 | from my basement, 7.1KB according to FF | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, with poor signal even UMTS+ is slow | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "from my basement" is intentional here, eh? | 05:09 |
| jk4 | that's where i am | 05:09 |
| jk4 | signal sucks in this bit of valley we live in | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try it from your attic ;-) | 05:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nasement in a vales. I bet on sucking signal there | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basement even | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and valey, dang | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a passive antenna extension might help | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one aerial inside your basement room, wire (coax), good directional antenna with high gain focused towards nearest base station | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | network monitor app might shed some light on your signal level problems | 05:18 |
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| jk4 | how would i attach a high gain antenna to a n900? | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not at all, basically | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you can have a passive "repeater" | 05:24 |
| jk4 | ah | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with one antenna near the N900 and another high gain antenna connected to the first one, which is high gain on top of the roof and boosts the signal | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | such setup is said to work sometimes, with really high gain antenna and good indoor antenna preferably pretty close to the device | 05:26 |
| jk4 | lot of investment for little gain (no pun intended) | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you *could* attach some sort of yagi elements to the N900 itself ;-) | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but first of all I'd check signal situation on 3G. Carriers tend to even take down 2.nG BTS in favour of better 3G coverage - though I dunno why they have to take down 2G for that | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fact is that 2G tends to get worse while same time 3G improves, over the years | 05:30 |
| jk4 | no 3g for me. | 05:30 |
| jk4 | wrong frequencies | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-( | 05:30 |
| jk4 | folly of n900 | 05:30 |
| jk4 | at least on at&t | 05:30 |
| jk4 | no tmo support here | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah USA, cellphone third world | 05:31 |
| jk4 | 3rd world | 05:31 |
| jk4 | full stop | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your free market managed it excellently ;-) | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "WUT? Regulations??? no friggin way!" | 05:32 |
| jk4 | the problems are well documented | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now that makes everybody happy for sure | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Germany: 4 networks. USA: 400 networks | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if not more | 05:35 |
| DrCode | hi all | 05:35 |
| DrCode | I have large inbox in gmail | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and basically only 1.5 nationwide ones | 05:36 |
| DrCode | can I use imap with gmail? | 05:36 |
| DrCode | I am also looking for appliction for my google+ | 05:36 |
| DrCode | my gmail inbox is very large , 20,000 messages, I prefer to use imap | 05:37 |
| DrCode | any idea? | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't you know Google will discontinue all their services in October this year? | 05:37 |
| DrCode | no | 05:38 |
| DrCode | realy? | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NSA | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just kidding | 05:38 |
| DrCode | wow, I didn't know | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just beyond me how everybody runs for evil Google crap | 05:39 |
| DrCode | wow, I was series | 05:39 |
| DrCode | I love there mail | 05:39 |
| DrCode | its large inbox and free | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well gmail is awesome, they spellcheck everything for you ;-P | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and they even adjust their banner adds according to what you send and receive per email | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice feature, no? | 05:40 |
| DrCode | yes | 05:41 |
| DrCode | ok , I found somthing in wiki | 05:41 |
| DrCode | I need to use dpkg -i mutt_1.5.20-2_armel.deb | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you love mutt | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-18 03:23:08] <Drathir> :/ mutt: Depends: slang1a-utf8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) but it is not installable | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I dunno why mutt would be needed for imap. Either google works with imap and then it should work with modest as well, no need for mutt. Or google doesn't allow imap then I dunno how mutt would help. I heard there's a bug in modest regarding Google but that's fixed in lastest CSSU | 05:44 |
| DrCode | I see | 05:45 |
| DrCode | so what is better to use? | 05:45 |
| DrCode | wow, I must go to work, I will be later | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for google imap? | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 05:45 |
| infobot | i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 05:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 curses missing bookmark for "google sucks" | 05:48 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the story about the poor individual that suddenly fels like sandra bullock in that film where they eradicated her entire identity, bank account and all | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and only a good friend *inside google* was the single person that could help, otherwise all data would've been gone for good | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the link to that page was in this channel several months ago | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I missed to bookmark it | 05:51 |
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| Drathir | clawsmail looks like too dont work... | 05:56 |
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| Drathir | google works with imap i think... | 05:57 |
| Drathir | google works with imap i think. and idk why mutt need slangla-utf8 ... | 05:59 |
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| Drathir | buildin works great with gmail and imap, but search something more powerfull one.... | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.chrisbrogan.com/when-google-owns-you/ | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://blog.mibbit.com/?p=8 | 06:12 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: sadly only one way is have own server with email client on encrypted connection :/ | 06:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or forget about idiotic imap and use proper pop3 which is made to *transport* mail, not act as a weird mutated webmailer | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | imap is like having a phonecall to my secretary in the office, asking her to read out loud my mails for me | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean how naive can you be to trust a company in storing your maximum important and private data for you, for free? | 06:21 |
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| Drathir | is no difference between pop3 or imap in booth case emaills go throught google servers, but imap is more faster and easy to use, idk how can back to pop3 again... only one option to secure is pgp mails, but ppl sadly dont use this often... | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every company has a business model. The more obvious the model, the better for you as their client. Paying for service is the most straight business concept. Google tells you they do sth for free for you, but actually you pay with your data and all sorts of other info they gather about you, so they can make money out of your attention. Attention is a valuable good in internet. But then, when they don't like you anymore, or when anything | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unforeseen happens, they don't really care much about you as their customer, and since their service is for free, it's also free of any kind of warranty | 06:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oops we locked your account, oops we deleted *all* your data. Too bad, but you're free to create a new account, even for free. of course not with your old mail addr, and of course we can't recover your files in google docs, or your photos or whatever else you used to store at our servers | 06:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there's several freemailers. AFAIK only google explicitly reserves the right to *read* every of your mails and to use it for their own purposes, whatever those are | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when NSA does that, you all are upset. Google you're not worried? You believe in "do no evil" nonsense google spreads about their own policy? | 06:46 |
| Drathir | thats why better have own server with backups... | 06:47 |
| Drathir | anyway and if this is possible situated near own bed hrhr | 06:49 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: google could sacrifice my firstborn to satan and i'd be ok with it | 06:49 |
| kerio | gmail is just so good | 06:50 |
| kerio | :3 | 06:50 |
| Drathir | i dont know any better solution to gmail... | 06:51 |
| Drathir | with milions of accounts noone will read person mails and from BB way betterloosing data than someone take it...BB=BlackBerry and connected with device lock x bad try to unlock and device data go wiped... | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I dunno how people survived before gmal got invented | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with millions of webpages nobody will index all of them | 06:57 |
| Drathir | s hush mail, but that isnt permanent and if not mail sending account go to delate after xx days if good remember... | 06:58 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: waybackmashine... | 06:58 |
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| Drathir | for mails pgp/gpg s solution to secure them... | 06:59 |
| Drathir | is* | 07:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | jk4, ping | 07:02 |
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| jk4 | psycho_oreos: hi | 07:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | jk4, found a copy of that joikuspot package (1.2.2) | 07:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hotmail | 07:40 |
| kerio | or another free mail service | 07:40 |
| kerio | or something from your ISP | 07:40 |
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| jk4 | psycho_oreos: cool | 08:04 |
| jk4 | link? email? | 08:05 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 09:09 |
| DrCode | Mail For Exchange dosn't support multi account ? | 09:09 |
| DrCode | is there solution ? | 09:10 |
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| Lava_Croft | dont use mfe is a solution to all problems | 09:14 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:14 |
| DrCode | hi Lava_Croft | 09:14 |
| DrCode | what I can use ? | 09:14 |
| DrCode | I want to sync clender , mail and so | 09:14 |
| Lava_Croft | i sync via gcal using erminig | 09:15 |
| Lava_Croft | for mail, idk | 09:15 |
| Lava_Croft | mfe doesnt always work very well, but if it does, hooray :) | 09:15 |
| DrCode | I see | 09:16 |
| DrCode | what is idk and erminig? how I can install them? | 09:16 |
| Lava_Croft | stuff like syncing to other services etc is a bit iffy on N900 | 09:16 |
| Lava_Croft | idk is i dont know | 09:16 |
| Lava_Croft | erminig is in the repos | 09:16 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:16 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 09:16 |
| DrCode | I read someone install IMAP server(dovcot) | 09:17 |
| DrCode | mybe it has support for multi account | 09:17 |
| Lava_Croft | people do all kinds of things to the poor N900 ! | 09:17 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 09:17 |
| DrCode | yes | 09:17 |
| DrCode | U are using gmail in maemo? | 09:17 |
| Lava_Croft | gmail in maemo email client, yes | 09:17 |
| Lava_Croft | it works kind of ok | 09:18 |
| DrCode | with mfe? | 09:18 |
| DrCode | or there is gmail client? | 09:18 |
| Lava_Croft | gmail works out of the box with modest, the maemo5 email client | 09:18 |
| DrCode | I mean u configure modeset via MFE? | 09:19 |
| Lava_Croft | no | 09:19 |
| Lava_Croft | configure gmail in modest, no mfe required | 09:19 |
| DrCode | wow, I see | 09:20 |
| DrCode | it come with maemo or I need to install it? | 09:20 |
| Lava_Croft | mfe is really only needed for microsoft email or maybe syncing to gal | 09:20 |
| Lava_Croft | its the email app | 09:20 |
| DrCode | dose it support multi account , like gmail and exchange? | 09:20 |
| Lava_Croft | click the @ icon | 09:20 |
| Lava_Croft | exchange wants mfe, iirc | 09:20 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont use it | 09:20 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:20 |
| DrCode | I see | 09:20 |
| DrCode | so I can use mfe for exchange and modset for gmail ? | 09:21 |
| Lava_Croft | sure | 09:21 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess:) | 09:21 |
| DrCode | o | 09:21 |
| Lava_Croft | try! | 09:21 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:21 |
| DrCode | thankyou, now its more clear | 09:21 |
| Lava_Croft | half of your N900's goodness comes from trying :) | 09:21 |
| DrCode | yes | 09:21 |
| DrCode | I have some java appliction that I would like to run | 09:22 |
| DrCode | dose it have jre? | 09:22 |
| Lava_Croft | it has some implementation of java related stuff, but idk much about it | 09:22 |
| Lava_Croft | microemulator, phoneme | 09:23 |
| Lava_Croft | those are both related to java | 09:23 |
| DrCode | ok | 09:24 |
| DrCode | thnkyou | 09:24 |
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| chem|st | why do people reg. tmo accounts only to use the PM system... | 12:26 |
| jon_y | they're just shy | 12:27 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: google > m$ | 13:51 |
| Drathir | DrCode: why you dont use builitin maemo mail client? | 13:51 |
| DrCode | hi all | 13:54 |
| DrCode | I am looking for replacemanet for qtwaze, is there google mape for maemo? | 13:54 |
| japa-fi | try marble. It's not google maps, but it's opensource. | 13:57 |
| japa-fi | Based on openstreetmaps | 13:57 |
| DrCode | םל | 13:57 |
| DrCode | ok | 13:57 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 13:57 |
| japa-fi | Supports routing and downloading map data for offline use. | 13:57 |
| DrCode | ok | 13:58 |
| japa-fi | When downloading the offline data, don't go into too detailed zoom level (16, 17) just for fun or it will download really lot of data. | 13:58 |
| DrCode | where can I check there site , if thay have map support? | 13:58 |
| japa-fi | www.openstreetmap.org | 13:58 |
| japa-fi | See what kind of map they have on the area you are interested. | 13:59 |
| japa-fi | (I'm semi active openstreetmap mapper btw :) ) | 13:59 |
| DrCode | nice | 14:00 |
| DrCode | I can install marble with apt-get install marble and download openstreetmap offline? | 14:01 |
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| japa-fi | Once you are on marble, you scroll the map to the area you want to download | 14:04 |
| DrCode | wow nice | 14:04 |
| DrCode | dose it have voice vocal , in multi lang? | 14:04 |
| japa-fi | It does not have voice guidance | 14:05 |
| japa-fi | @all: Why does my N900 change the location server always back to supl.nokia.com after restarts? the GPS is really bad getting fix without tha agps data. I always need to change to supl.google.com (btw other alternatives?) | 14:06 |
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| japa-fi | To download map data for offline use, just clik on the top bar, download region, either a route (if you have one active) or visible region (my usual choice) and then select the zoom level. | 14:09 |
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| japa-fi | It does display the amount of data to be downloaded based on your selections, so you can see the difference the zoom makes. | 14:09 |
| japa-fi | Apparently limited to zoom level 16. This is example of the detail available in zoom 16 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=60.17014&lon=24.93391&zoom=16&layers=M (downtown helsinki, capital of finland) | 14:12 |
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| DrCode | ok | 14:15 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 14:15 |
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| M4rtinK | DrCode: also try modRana | 14:59 |
| M4rtinK | DrCode: it has voice guidance :) | 14:59 |
| Sicelo | or even stock maps :P | 15:01 |
| Sicelo | used in conjunction with OM Voice Server, it's not bad | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, that's weird ... to highlight <DrCode> [2013-07-18 12:57:32] םל | 15:20 |
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| amin007110 | lol, interesting. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: OOOOH :-o you suffer from the SUPL reset pheomenon that I never been able to reproduce | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to put it straight, I have NFC why that happens | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be entangled with your connectivity settings | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you frequently swap SIM cards? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or have a weird SIM that frequently "roams"? | 15:27 |
| Sicelo | mine resets too .. no SIM swapping | 15:27 |
| japa-fi | Ah... I Have swapped SIMs, haven't checked if that is the issue. Last weekend I was in the middle of nowhere without any coverage from my service provider. Put in my wife's sim (different provider) to be able to access internet.. | 15:28 |
| japa-fi | Will do restart test to see if it stays unaltered when not changing the sim | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure SUPL server is linked to rtcom/SIM account | 15:29 |
| japa-fi | LOL. Didn't remember I had changed the shaking hands to "Don't panic" | 15:30 |
| japa-fi | Yeah, it survived restart. | 15:30 |
| japa-fi | the setting that is. | 15:30 |
| japa-fi | Any other supl servers beside google? | 15:31 |
| japa-fi | I don't like announcing my whole life to google | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gconftool -R /system/nokia/location/supl | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mine rock solid at | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | port = 7275 | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | server = supl.google.com | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since >12 months | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | japa-fi: well.... google for supl server free ;-P | 15:33 |
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| Lava_Croft | yeah, google wont mind you giving your location data | 15:43 |
| NIN101 | supl.nsa.gov | 15:44 |
| Lava_Croft | i swear there's a guy called N1N101 playing Tremulous | 15:44 |
| Lava_Croft | er NIN | 15:44 |
| Lava_Croft | nice | 15:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | All 3 major Russian telcos quit selling iPhones | 15:45 |
| Wizzup | regarding yappari, does anyone have an idea if they have plans of open sourcing it? | 15:45 |
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| Lava_Croft | i dont think they can open source it | 15:46 |
| Lava_Croft | legally | 15:46 |
| Lava_Croft | isnt the n900/n9 implementation just a hack of some whatsapp application from another platform? | 15:46 |
| Wizzup | uhm, what? | 15:46 |
| Lava_Croft | or have they come further and actually rewritten from scratch | 15:46 |
| Wizzup | http://openwhatsapp.org/ | 15:46 |
| Lava_Croft | ah | 15:46 |
| Lava_Croft | guess they have! :D | 15:46 |
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| Wizzup | its not like its a hard protocol too | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PrimarySuplServer=supl.google.com wow! | 15:47 |
| Lava_Croft | imo whatsapp is junk | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80287 | 15:47 |
| Wizzup | Lava_Croft: you can always dump source somewhere... legal or not | 15:48 |
| Wizzup | (unrelated) | 15:48 |
| Lava_Croft | Wizzup: yeah, now thats a good practice:P | 15:49 |
| Lava_Croft | not | 15:49 |
| Wizzup | sure it is :) | 15:50 |
| Lava_Croft | respecting open source inherently means respecting closed source | 15:51 |
| * Wizzup will settle for agree to disagree | 15:51 | |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, double standards are no stranger in the world of open source | 15:51 |
| japa-fi | What's the best application for tracking phone usage. Ie, number of calls + durations and possibly grouping calls on some criterias (prefix etc) | 15:51 |
| Wizzup | Lava_Croft: wanting to free everything is not a double standard | 15:53 |
| Wizzup | you're making way too many assumptions, but I don't have time to educate you here | 15:53 |
| Lava_Croft | Wizzup: if you expect people to respect one's choice to go with open source, you will have respect one other's choice to go with closed source | 15:53 |
| Wizzup | nope | 15:53 |
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| Lava_Croft | i guess the big companies taught you well then :) | 15:53 |
| Lava_Croft | fighting fire with fire has always proven to be a great succes :D | 15:54 |
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| Wizzup | more assumptions... I'm getting dizzy | 15:54 |
| Lava_Croft | its a guess, not an assumption, as i stated:) | 15:54 |
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| Lava_Croft | i also want to free everything, but i have to take into account people's rights to make their own choices:) | 15:55 |
| Lava_Croft | and respect said choices, even if i dont agree | 15:55 |
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| Lava_Croft | forcibly wanting to free everything is a lie | 15:55 |
| Lava_Croft | you cannot forcibly 'free' anything | 15:56 |
| Wizzup | Lava_Croft: ... you made the argument that they were not able to open the sourcecode because it was ... a hack from another whatsapp application | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | no, i thought it was, as i stated | 15:56 |
| Wizzup | That doesn't stop them from uploading the source somewhere | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | their choice apparently is to not to | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | respect their choice | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | enjoy the free application | 15:56 |
| Wizzup | which is why I won't use it, to protect my privacy | 15:56 |
| Wizzup | please do not use the word free like that. | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | lol | 15:56 |
| Lava_Croft | another free software extremist? | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | you guys are a cancer | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | bye | 15:57 |
| Wizzup | Have a look at the worlds tiniest open source violin :-) | 15:57 |
| Lava_Croft | unless you make the same hand movements as Buscemi, its nothing | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | (btw, more assumptions) | 15:58 |
| Lava_Croft | life is tied together with assumptions | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps | 16:00 |
| infobot | hmm... rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 16:00 |
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| lexxik | fuu.. i want to buy n900 camera module but not the whole n900 >:( | 16:17 |
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| Lava_Croft | people might want to make backups of projects they made/use on projects.developer.nokia.com | 16:23 |
| Lava_Croft | service is ending over the coming months | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lexxik is kinda weird | 16:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders to which hw interface lexxik wants to connect the cam module | 16:58 | |
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| psycho_oreos | Too bad lexxik didn't come back. | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe he finally did the right thing: googling for "camera module nokia n900" | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4767_Original-Nokia-N900-CAMERA-Module-5-Megapixel.html | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly it's damn hard to interface to this module to make any reasonable use of it, without a supporting controller like... N900 OMAP | 17:06 |
| chem|st | that saremi is a friend... grew up with the lazy basterd^^ | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh! | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty good shop | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their original parts seem to be actually *original* | 17:07 |
| chem|st | they are | 17:07 |
| chem|st | he is one of the bigger providers of dummies and spare parts for germany | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | officially recommended by DocS | 17:08 |
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| Lava_Croft | nearly 25euros for a bl5j | 17:08 |
| Lava_Croft | holy | 17:08 |
| chem|st | Schechingen is close to Schwäbisch Gmünd, where I grew up, we made contact through facebook again a few years ago | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's still cheap | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | compared to street price | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | i got all of mine for less than 10e a piece, original :X | 17:09 |
| Lava_Croft | anyhow, this shop is indeed nice | 17:09 |
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| chem|st | Lava_Croft: keep in mind that every bl5j... the gradient down from 25eurs expresses the probability of a fake... | 17:10 |
| Lava_Croft | they arent :) | 17:10 |
| chem|st | and 10e is probably not original, even with the fancy sticker on | 17:10 |
| Lava_Croft | dont care for the sticker, care for the place i bought it:) | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I found another bastard this morning, who sells a 30W (30LED) blue laser cluster for 5000USD, and I *know* this component got ripped out of a video projector that costs 800..1000USD new | 17:11 |
| chem|st | lol | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now THATS ripp-off, a BL-5J for 25€ not | 17:11 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 17:11 |
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| Lava_Croft | sounds like the people taking apart old cars and selling the parts for lol prices | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just they are new "cars" here | 17:12 |
| chem|st | if you need a powerfull electronic pumpimg laser you find a bluray burner and a lens... | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | or the guy that repaired my woman's scooter because the exhaust was broken, replaced the original Yamaha exhaust with a cheap fake and then put our original exhaust on sale | 17:12 |
| Lava_Croft | he sure ended up having a problem | 17:12 |
| chem|st | scammers everywhere | 17:12 |
| psycho_oreos | lol, in Chinese that sort of action can be summed into two words. Too bad there's no English equivalent of it. | 17:13 |
| psycho_oreos | rather exact English. | 17:13 |
| psycho_oreos | Apart from so-calling "scamming". | 17:14 |
| Lava_Croft | I always get happy from seeing pics of a CP-408 | 17:15 |
| Lava_Croft | even when it wore out, the plastic frame is still rather awesome | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's a CP-408? | 17:17 |
| Lava_Croft | N900 case | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uh | 17:18 |
| Lava_Croft | the booklet one | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never seen | 17:18 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.phonesfera.com/files/posted_images/2/nokia_cp_408.jpg | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, nice | 17:19 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 17:19 |
| Lava_Croft | highly recommended | 17:19 |
| Lava_Croft | even when about 100+ in and out of jeans pocket movements a day, it lasts at least a year:) | 17:19 |
| Lava_Croft | the button could be tighter, so it opens less easily, but thats an easy fix | 17:20 |
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| Lava_Croft | http://frank.geekheim.de/?p=2379 | 17:28 |
| Lava_Croft | lovely | 17:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | hmm Pali ping | 17:34 |
| Pali | pong | 17:34 |
| psycho_oreos | Pali, short and sweet, you have the source code to JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko? | 17:35 |
| Pali | yes, source is GPL | 17:35 |
| Pali | it was (and maybe still is) on joiku website | 17:36 |
| Pali | also you can find it in kernel power git tree | 17:36 |
| ecc3g | hmm... i heard that the droid x2 also phones home with credentials... i hope this is not becoming the norm... | 17:37 |
| psycho_oreos | Pali, thanks, just out of curiousity as I wondered why the actual joikuspot installer wasn't updated to reflect that hence requiring user intervention. I ought to check out those sources first :) took me a bit of time to find out exactly who owned /lib/modules/current/JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko. | 17:39 |
| Pali | joikuspot is closed SW and is not in any maemo repository | 17:40 |
| Pali | only open source kernel modul is in kernel-power | 17:40 |
| Pali | kernel module for stock kernel is also in 3rd joiku deb package | 17:40 |
| psycho_oreos | Yeah but they forgot to make the installer copy the one for the current power kernel into their own directory. Oh well its their fault for not updating their postinst script it seems :D | 17:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | I sort of wondered why when I tried running insmod on the included kernel module did I get invalid format or something like that. After searching I found: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=722065&postcount=21 and the pre-included /lib/modules/current/JoikuSpot_Boucer.ko on my filesystem to load correctly. | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when you can get 2TB additional storage on your (hosted) dedicated root server, but for same money can get a second dedicated root server with 2TB storage... what would you choose? | 18:01 |
| Lava_Croft | 2nd option | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 18:02 |
| Lava_Croft | 1+some more is still less than 2 | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since 2nd root server comes with 2nd 20TB/mo traffic | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | hah | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex40 | 18:04 |
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| Lava_Croft | i think our server is hetzner too | 18:06 |
| Lava_Croft | ya, it is | 18:07 |
| Lava_Croft | haha | 18:12 |
| Lava_Croft | oh wrong channel | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though I wonder if all the projects in https://projects.developer.nokia.com won't simply move to gitorius or whatever | 18:22 |
| Lava_Croft | no clue, why would they | 18:24 |
| psycho_oreos | Be nice if they could. | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because nokia shuts down | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I been wondering ^^^ if we need to provide a new home for https://projects.developer.nokia.com/home/project/explore#action=results&c[]=254_top&f=&numresults=10&page=1&tab=active | 18:29 |
| Lava_Croft | Might be very good to keep a copy/new home of the maemo5 and 6 stuff | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's hard to see why such git/whatever repo would have to get provided by maemo community | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | right now its hosted by nokia, so that might make sense | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I was thinking about backup | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | for the maemo community to take over, that is | 18:30 |
| Lava_Croft | these are still applications and developers who do work for maemo | 18:31 |
| Lava_Croft | no matter on what part of nokia they host it | 18:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | do/did | 18:31 |
| psycho_oreos | 59 projects. | 18:31 |
| Lava_Croft | 144 for maemo6 | 18:31 |
| * psycho_oreos wonders where else would nokia host maemo stuff, like they did with their own private repository. | 18:32 | |
| Lava_Croft | i only know of this projects site, apart from the maemo community | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>With some sadness we announce that the Nokia Developer Projects service (https://projects.developer.nokia.com) will be discontinued in the following months (due to ongoing trend of low activity and increasing costs). Please backup any project data you wish to save as soon as possible (ideally within the next few weeks). After the service has been stopped all unsaved data will be lost!<< | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | aint it strange how there's low activity? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aint it strange that we might have to go same path for maemo.org? | 18:34 |
| psycho_oreos | I think they're just using the running cost as some sort of excuse. | 18:34 |
| Lava_Croft | well, why would nokia keep hosting this stuff | 18:34 |
| Lava_Croft | they are all windows now | 18:34 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess they assume MS can take over this position, since nokia is just a HW manufacturer now | 18:35 |
| Lava_Croft | apart from some nokia specific lumia apps:P | 18:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | Its not like the maemo project itself is completely dead. There's still people who may like to see in the coming future that these stuff may still be available. Take for instance those two new people to maemo here who just acquired N900. | 18:35 |
| Lava_Croft | the fact that you have to say 'not completely dead' says it all :) | 18:36 |
| Lava_Croft | well, more like :( | 18:37 |
| psycho_oreos | Rather, nokia is seeking measures to get rid of maemo like a completely unwanted/orphaned child project. | 18:37 |
| Lava_Croft | why wouldnt they? | 18:37 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia has no interest in it anymore and they are not welfare | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is somebody capable to evaluate how much storage it needs to backup all that (maemo*) stuff? | 18:37 |
| Lava_Croft | have fun with that | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, i won't | 18:38 |
| psycho_oreos | I think maybe its a good thing we should all start scrubbing off "nokia" decal on what was once their own devices and probably stop calling it a nokia device. (lol) | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | thats just emo | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my support for that save&rescue enterprise is strictly limited | 18:38 |
| Lava_Croft | cant blame nokia, which is a company, for not providing welfare to a deprecated community | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | (in their corporate eyes) | 18:39 |
| Lava_Croft | i mean, they probably barely have anyone left on the payroll who knows anything about maemo | 18:39 |
| psycho_oreos | Can't blame them for also making notable profit from meego devices as compared to their windows phones. | 18:39 |
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| Lava_Croft | i dont listen to tommi | 18:40 |
| Lava_Croft | you can go all emo over nokia ditching maemo, but it wont help any bit besides maybe ruining your own mood:< | 18:40 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia is a company, not a loving person with feelings | 18:40 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho it might have felt different at times :| | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you're done discussing moral aspects of Nokia behaviour, please advice me what to do on behalf of maemo community | 18:41 |
| psycho_oreos | Compared to other hardware companies, there are still a fair few of them still host stuff for legacy devices. | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | make a post on tmo, asking users to suggest applications that they consider mandatory | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | give it a week or two | 18:42 |
| Lava_Croft | anything that is not suggested and doesnt look worthy in anyone's eyes, you ditch and dont backup | 18:42 |
| Lava_Croft | not all projects there actually have files orso | 18:42 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O placeholders? | 18:42 |
| Lava_Croft | for example:| | 18:43 |
| Lava_Croft | lots of demos too | 18:43 |
| Lava_Croft | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/speeddial/files/downloads | 18:43 |
| Lava_Croft | empty | 18:44 |
| Lava_Croft | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/newsflow/files/downloads is not | 18:44 |
| Lava_Croft | for example nelisquare is also hosted there, but im fairly certain its already hosted on rmo | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? not only backup but even clean out the empty cruft that doesn't take any considerable space anyway? won't happen | 18:44 |
| Lava_Croft | then id just back it all up | 18:45 |
| Lava_Croft | cant possibly be much | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-18 17:37:35] <DocScrutinizer05> is somebody capable to evaluate how much storage it needs to backup all that (maemo*) stuff? | 18:45 |
| psycho_oreos | If there was a method to do that of course. | 18:45 |
| Lava_Croft | a method to back it up and a method to gauge space | 18:45 |
| cehteh | df -h :P | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are methods, but no storage | 18:46 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont have the time to check up each page and note the filesizes, heh :< | 18:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 neither | 18:47 | |
| psycho_oreos | I guess the only way is to somehow get the tarballs (or whatever it maybe) and then see how much space is needed. I somewhat agree that it can't be much, won't be several hundred gigabytes of data as well I'd bet. | 18:47 |
| psycho_oreos | I guess someone should ask nokia if its ok to mirror that lot, it'd be faster than manually finding out which projects take up a few bytes and which projects probably has a few hundred MB. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | available: 287G | 18:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | *shrugs* nokia probably won't even disclose that stuff.. there's probably projects that are marked private with no maintaners active left. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | I'd guess let the users on tmo decide :) its only the best way and see if they can get the maintaners (or maintaners themselves) move the stuff to gitorious, etc. | 18:51 |
| psycho_oreos | Post a thread to notify that projects.developer.nokia.com will be no more. | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so these are your options: A) you tell me "this are <200GB" and I ask for somebody to back stuff up to skeiron B) you tell me it's probably more but worth it and I sponsor a EX40 for ~50EUR per month, from donations C) you tell me there's other locations (gitorious) where all that stuff can get migrated by *one* guy who actually takes care this will happen. D) you do none of the former and nothing at all will get done, at least by me | 18:53 |
| Lava_Croft | last option: backup the apps you use and dont care | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obvously nonsense option | 18:54 |
| Lava_Croft | a human option nontheless :| | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually included in D) | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't feel like reporting about my *private* activity | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as far as techstaff/council/me is concerned, it's A) thru D) | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since on maemo.org IPHH infra we don't have any reasonable free resources for anything like that | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have a 3TB free storage, but that's auxiliary | 18:58 |
| psycho_oreos | I wonder if that news has been sent out to any maintaners whom registered their projects on that site been emailed. | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, obviously | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got above cited mail | 18:59 |
| psycho_oreos | It'd be more sane I suppose to make any remaining maintaners to seek alternative choices where possible. | 18:59 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh, I thought that was on their blog or something. Funnily enough they don't make that as some sort of public announcement. | 19:00 |
| psycho_oreos | By means of making a notice or something when any random public visits the projects page or even blogging it. | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, it not been sent to me, just to chem|st who forwarded it to me in a rather stealth way | 19:01 |
| jk4 | roaming seems kind of weak on n900 with at&t | 19:01 |
| jk4 | is there a way to improve roaming | 19:01 |
| jk4 | or force it use tmobile's network when roaming? | 19:01 |
| jk4 | on train and it's picking up towers worse than the kindle i brought | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes: don't cover antenna in right/bottom end with your palm | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no joke | 19:02 |
| jk4 | lol i'm not :/ | 19:02 |
| jk4 | it's just sitting on the table | 19:03 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know what at&t is like but I guess one could look into hardware hacks. | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sitting on table might be a cause for poor sensitivity and high battery drain for TX. When it's a metal table (also under the skin which probably is plastic) | 19:04 |
| psycho_oreos | Maybe have the device facing upside down or use the standard kickstand to try and get better coverage. *shrugs* | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, the latter help | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the mail got sent to me directly as well, even 3 times :-) | 19:14 |
| psycho_oreos | lol 3 times :D | 19:14 |
| jk4 | don't seem to be receiving text messages though.. any thoughts? | 19:15 |
| psycho_oreos | I guess that should give those maintaners (if they are still reading their emails) time to migrate. | 19:15 |
| psycho_oreos | I dunno.. a very rough guess might be /{home,opt} is full. | 19:17 |
| jk4 | nope this one is barely used | 19:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | Has the device ever been able to receive text messages? | 19:20 |
| jk4 | in the past yes | 19:21 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, got the mail 3 times too | 19:21 |
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| jk4 | psycho_oreos: thanks | 19:22 |
| jk4 | for the thing | 19:22 |
| jk4 | wow getting 14K | 19:24 |
| jk4 | 18K! | 19:24 |
| jk4 | that's almost acceptable | 19:24 |
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| psycho_oreos | jk4, hmm in the past (about text messages). I dunno, I'm probably going to stab at randomly.. are you able to send texts and are the other devices able to receive it? | 19:26 |
| jk4 | yep | 19:27 |
| psycho_oreos | jk4, no worries about the link, seems like there's free games also on that site. About text messages, weird.. I'd probably start looking into syslogs or even into getting a log from conversations somehow. It might even be the number to receive text messages might be wrong/old/outdated. | 19:28 |
| jk4 | where might i update that? | 19:29 |
| jk4 | could easily search for it on net i'm sure | 19:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | Conversations (that down arrow) > Settings > SMS centre number. | 19:30 |
| * psycho_oreos wonders if there's other settings exist elsewhere. | 19:30 | |
| psycho_oreos | Also if you have installed message blocker, maybe message blocker is active and you may also have set it to delete blocked messages. | 19:33 |
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| dreamer | hi all, anyone know of a nice way to stream gps-data to a server? | 20:35 |
| dreamer | I want to do some near-realtime display of my position for a bike-trip next week | 20:35 |
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| Sicelo | dreamer: look at Columbus | 22:19 |
| Sicelo | :-/ | 22:19 |
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| dreamer | Sicelo: why the skewed face? | 22:21 |
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| dreamer | Sicelo: hmm, interesting features, but I don't see any streaming over gprs/3g | 22:23 |
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| Sicelo | skewed face because i've never exactly tested the network side of things with columbus. | 22:26 |
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| dreamer | hmm, odd. faster application manager is giving errors | 22:27 |
| * dreamer try regular one | 22:28 | |
| Sicelo | fapman appears to have a 'not-so-good' reputation :P | 22:29 |
| dreamer | never had issues before though :P | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman issues show up when you try to do other stuff you think isn't related to fapman | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like "I never had issues with AKME-REGISTRY-OPTIMIZER-malware, it always works super for me and always claims 'PC speed up:45200%'!" | 22:32 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: I didn't do any other stuff :P | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, so you run maemo just for fapman? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't know it was THAT entertaining | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I nuked fapman from my device (afzer ~20min) when I noticed I suddenly lost SIP functionality in dialer, after using fapman | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back in ~2010 | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never agin will touch it | 22:35 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: I .. have no idea wth you are talking about | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 22:36 |
| dreamer | Sicelo: ok, I see in the network settings of columbus that it can do some tcp network transport. I take it this is a gpsd forward of some kind? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no idea how to put it any simpler | 22:36 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: you can be a little more friendly than to assume some inconspicous things. you don't know me, or my reasons to do things the way I do. | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman has no issues, it *creates* issues | 22:36 |
| dreamer | well, so do you apparently :) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what?? | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is wrong with you? | 22:37 |
| dreamer | "oh, so you run maemo just for fapman?" << I can't do anything with this assumption | 22:37 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: maybe start a blog about your problems with fapman :) | 22:37 |
| dreamer | until today I found it more useful than the default appmanager | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PFF | 22:38 |
| dreamer | no reason to go off ranting to me about it | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if a benevolent advice is conceived as ranting by you, then you're in wrong channel here | 22:38 |
| dreamer | it didn't come off as benevolent | 22:39 |
| dreamer | is what I'm trying to say | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-18 21:33:03] <dreamer> DocScrutinizer05: I didn't do any other stuff :P [2013-07-18 21:33:22] <DocScrutinizer05> oh, so you run maemo just for fapman? | 22:39 |
| dreamer | I had wifi on, that's it | 22:39 |
| dreamer | it seemed to think there was a dpkg lock | 22:39 |
| dreamer | but regular appmanager had no problem | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm telling you fapman creates problems not in fapman but in random other stuff. You say you didn't do *any* other stuff | 22:40 |
| dreamer | then you started to go off | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you haven't seen me going off | 22:40 |
| dreamer | yeah, I get that this is your 'neutral' state | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 22:41 |
| dreamer | you must be on the linux kernel ML :P | 22:41 |
| dreamer | someone educated you well enough ;) | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and re fapman. you'll learn about problems it creates next time you try to do a system update that fails with unresolvable conflicts | 22:41 |
| dreamer | anyway, I don't give a rats ass about application managers | 22:41 |
| dreamer | I'm trying to actually use my n900 for something atm | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what you use to do that update | 22:42 |
| dreamer | Sicelo: hmm, seems it sends NMEA data? which is for sea navigation .. not sure what I would do with that. really I just want unadulterated gps-coordinates | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I explcained to you that fapman for example can remove SIP libraries from your system, rendering dialer semi-broken | 22:43 |
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| dreamer | well, regular appmanager now can't find this columbus add-on that I saw earlier. that's really useful | 22:44 |
| dreamer | oh, huh. they installed automagically | 22:44 |
| Sicelo | dreamer: i have never used columbus for any network-related things. i just knew that it has some network functionality. | 22:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks | 22:45 | |
| Sicelo | the beauty of HAM ;) | 22:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders who's going off now | 22:45 | |
| dreamer | Sicelo: well, I can't find anything useful on what kind of network-sending it does. and what I can use the data for | 22:45 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: seriously, I don't give a shit about your 3 year old oppinion. | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I might come over grumpy, you come over as a ranting noob | 22:46 |
| Sicelo | ok. don't know what else you can use then .. i actually rarely even use gps. in fact, it's the least used funtion here ;) | 22:46 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: I'm trying to talk to Sicelo about an application he recommended | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dreamer: do you have another one of this category for me, please. i'm in the mood | 22:47 |
| dreamer | ? | 22:47 |
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| * qwazix gets popcorn | 22:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN | 22:47 |
| Sicelo | well dreamer, lol.. i know only a small subset of what DocScrutinizer05 here knows about N900 ;) | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | anywya | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | away | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 22:48 |
| qwazix | meh, popcorn wasted | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and another kick-opportunity wasted ;-P | 22:50 |
| qwazix | lol | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | oh, lol.. i spoke to myself, aw :( | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: wasn't there a browser app that had location awareness and been able to propagate on position to a webserver? | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno shit about columbus, only that it been much appreciated back when | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and indeed I think it provided a sort of cmdline interface for GPS stuff | 22:53 |
| Sicelo | dunno. i really have very little use for gps stuff. i just have columbus installed because i think it is a nice application.. also have Blaizen's tweaks for stock Maps, to provide voice guidance. | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh yes, another very cute hack | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 22:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I should get an auto-lock for kbd when it detect pain strain | 22:54 |
| Sicelo | lol | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno how dreamer mamanged to get me into this mood | 22:55 |
| qwazix | OT but I got a ninja block (beaglebone + arduino + 433Mhz RF + nice webapp) to control lights and other stuff at home | 22:56 |
| qwazix | it ROCKS! | 22:56 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: you're typing on N900? | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a shame, isn't it? | 22:58 |
| win7mac | qwazix, ROTFL... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6q2gISLUCU | 22:58 |
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| qwazix | win7mac, lol | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HEEHEEEHEEEE nice, particularly for an EE like me who did similar stuff hw-wise several times. But when I was the neighbours opposite sitde of the street, and every evening every 30min this shot goes off... WHERE IS MY C4??!!!?? | 23:29 |
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