IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-07-06

ShadowJKI'd hope that the current interim president would attempt to explain to the people, that free fuel/food isn't going to come back no matter who they elect, and that times will be hard nomatter who they elect00:00
DocScrutinizer05I bet almost everybody knows by now00:00
* Drathir think any kind of religion is kind of sect in less or more form...00:00
ShadowJKDo you think total military takeover would be better? The military was quick to hand over power to that judge, because the military gets lots of money from the US, and that money has terms and conditions attached, one of which is "no military coups" :-)00:01
DocScrutinizer05I don't mind my neighbour praying to the holy spaghetti monster00:01
DocScrutinizer05but please leave me alone with it00:01
ShadowJKfor sure00:02
GeneralAntillesTo Each His Own00:02
GeneralAntillesAlso: leave me the hell alone.00:02
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DocScrutinizer05and our brilliant foreign minister Westerwelle complains that removing Morsi was a serious step back for democracy. What a moron. Morsi himself was a serious threat for democracy00:08
ShadowJKHe hasn't been loud enough to exceed the news threshold here :)00:10
GeneralAntillesProblem is, a lot of political types expouse democracy as a good per se.00:10
GeneralAntillesWell, we can all vote to have DocScrutinizer05 drawn and quartered.00:10
GeneralAntillesNothing more than mob rule.00:11
ShadowJKelection polls and such develop mob rule00:12
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DocScrutinizer05when Morsi got elected, there hasn't been a costitution, all that existed was his promise to include all of his people interest and be a president of all Egyptians. This been a blatant lie, and now he and his fanboy club bitch about the 20 mio that demonstrated to remove Morsi didn't obey the democratically installed constitution. That's downright ridiculous00:27
DocScrutinizer05almost as ridiculous as our foreign minister stating basically the same.00:29
ShadowJKThe world is insane anyways00:29
DocScrutinizer05since from Morsi and his muslim bro's you'd expect exactly that argumentation. Not though from a german politician00:29
DocScrutinizer05El Baradei has put it straight00:30
ShadowJKWhen before, whistle blowers from the USSR revealing their government's opressive surveillance and control of the people fled to the US for sancturary, now whistle blowers from the USA revealing their government's opressive surveillance and control of people flee to Russia00:30
DocScrutinizer05well, you probably can switch roles between USSR and USA00:31
GeneralAntillesIt's all politics00:31
DocScrutinizer05not that much of a difference after all00:31
GeneralAntillesAlthough at least our political prisoners seem well fed.00:31
GeneralAntillesNo gulags in the UD00:31
GeneralAntillesUS00:31
GeneralAntillesNor are people queing for toiletpaper00:32
GeneralAntillesOr likely to be executed by secret police.00:32
DocScrutinizer05yeah, they use somewhat more sophisticated tortures than the USSR00:32
DocScrutinizer05like water boarding00:32
DocScrutinizer05or dogs00:33
GeneralAntillesAlso: not building "American" towns to train spies from birth.00:33
GeneralAntillesNor sending people to jail for "hoarding" food.00:33
ShadowJKChina is building every town on earth :)00:33
ShadowJKThey have a London copy, a Paris copy, a NYC copy :)00:34
ShadowJKcomplete with hudson river :)00:34
GeneralAntillesAll empty. ;)00:34
ShadowJKthat too :)00:34
ShadowJKfor a show-off, they'd be better off restoring the chinese wall00:34
ShadowJKAll the way00:34
ShadowJKinto mongolia00:34
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DocScrutinizer05on a unrelated bot on topic topic: Dremel and a cylindrical diamond mill head made a nice new grip for fingernail to the worn lockswitch of my latest N90000:36
DocScrutinizer05s/bot/but700:36
ShadowJKOn my last N900 I used to insert nail between switch and case to activate it00:36
ShadowJKthe little tab broke off :)00:36
DocScrutinizer05same here00:36
ShadowJKCurrent N900 has intact tab00:37
DocScrutinizer05but that's a bit too cumbersome00:37
ShadowJKBecame reflex for me00:37
ShadowJKI'm probably still doing it on current N90000:37
ShadowJKdunno, muscle memory and such00:37
DocScrutinizer05hmm, inserding a tiny object between the lockswitch slider and case would allow for a gap for fingernail00:38
DocScrutinizer05inserting*00:38
ShadowJKmine was round enough to create a gap00:39
DocScrutinizer05but my milled-out trench in that tab works as well00:39
ShadowJK:)00:39
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RST38h...Instances of SCP-1354 are capable of written responses to verbal communication via the manifestation of letter-shaped pasta.05:07
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DocScrutinizer05mhm11:14
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DocScrutinizer05isn't that a "character" or rather entity invented in some mass-novel-writing site?11:15
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DocScrutinizer05very remotely a story plot similar to "stalker"/"Roadside Picnic", or "event horizon"11:19
DocScrutinizer05http://www.google.de/search?q=SCP-135411:21
DocScrutinizer05>>Special Containment Procedures: All instances of SCP-1354 are to be contained in food-grade airtight plastic containers at Sector-28.<<11:22
DocScrutinizer05>>This is better than the recent oracular alphabet soup that bombed, but I'm somewhat on the fence about this one<<11:22
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: wait, SCP?13:00
jon_yI didn't think SCP fan circles would intersect with CSSU guys:)13:00
DocScrutinizer05well, that doesn't apply for RST38h obviously13:01
DocScrutinizer05he pastes context-less quotes here on a regular basis13:01
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DocScrutinizer05which always sounds like WTF of the day, until you find out about the context13:02
jon_ytry markov string generators, they do stuff like that :)13:02
DocScrutinizer05:nod:13:02
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jon_yfor instance, someone actually went out and try to make a story with it13:03
jon_yhttp://games.renpy.org/game/yourswimsuit.shtml13:03
jon_yenjoy your plot from /dev/random13:03
DocScrutinizer05>>written responses to verbal communication via the manifestation of letter-shaped pasta<< sounds quite @.@ until you learn it's about a fictional intelligent noodle soup13:04
jon_ySCP has stuff like that, its meant to be contained and locked up13:04
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jon_ythere are some cutesy stuff too, but also too dangerous to let loose13:05
jon_yI think I remember something about a professor have the urge to kill an SCP subject because the child subject has reality warping powers13:06
DocScrutinizer05I consider my N900#6 more intriguing than noodle soup13:06
jon_y"the scary man trying to hurt me" thought altered reality to make it true13:07
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: do you happen to know much about PSUs for PCs?13:10
DocScrutinizer05a bit13:10
DocScrutinizer05~joerg13:10
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, joerg is an ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer13:10
jon_ymine just exploded, leaky cap13:10
jon_yone of the fins on the plastic fan on it melted off13:11
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, joerg is a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer13:11
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0513:11
jon_ygiant 420V cap, I don't think I can replace it13:12
DocScrutinizer05ugh, how can a fin of a fan melt off?13:12
jon_ythe fan was directly over the burned out cap when I took off the unit13:12
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, the primary cap? that one is rather easy to replace, it hasn't that hard low-ESR requirements than the secondary side buffer caps13:13
jon_yare there solid cap replacements?13:13
DocScrutinizer05but honestly, usually nowadays that is not economically reasonable to do13:13
jon_yprobably need to replace the whole unit as the fan is also jammed13:13
DocScrutinizer05:nod:13:14
jon_yare there PSUs that have solid caps as their main selling point?13:14
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DocScrutinizer05count in the hours of hassle doing the repair, and you opt for a replacement PSU for a few thens of bucks13:15
DocScrutinizer05(solid caps) I only know of mainboards that do13:15
jon_yyeah, it's still dangerous since I don't know if anything else in it broke/shorted13:15
DocScrutinizer05PSU though I haven't heard about yet13:15
jon_yok13:15
jon_yI haven't been looking at PSUs for the past couple of years, anything to consider other than wattage and connectivity?13:16
DocScrutinizer05me neither, so I'd guess probably not13:16
jon_yefficiency is probably important too, but the boxes never lists it13:16
DocScrutinizer05efficiency of course13:17
DocScrutinizer05and efficiency is listed on all but the most pathetic poor PSUs13:17
jon_yhmm ok13:17
DocScrutinizer05PCF also relevant13:17
jon_yyou mean PFC?13:17
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I thnk so13:18
DocScrutinizer05make the thing act like a resistive load, not like a capacitor13:18
jon_yI wonder if I get charged more for poor PFC13:18
jon_yyeah, I have EE background too, just not sure how the electric company might take it13:19
jon_ybtw, how much risk did the PSU have from starting a fire?13:19
DocScrutinizer05it's more for your local / inhouse grid's sake13:19
jon_yI feel lucky I didn't burn down my place13:19
DocScrutinizer05I think they rarely start fires nowadays13:20
DocScrutinizer05steel cage13:20
jon_ythey just short out and stop working?13:20
jon_yyeah, the one I had is in a steel cage13:20
jon_yI should get a fire extinguisher and put it beside the PC13:21
DocScrutinizer05hmm, mine is at the flat's front door13:22
ApicYeah, never wrong to have one handy.13:22
ApicHere one is at the Corridor of the Building.13:22
ApicWhich my Apartment is in13:23
DocScrutinizer05I'd like to get a better one though. Those powder extinguishers are a terrible mess when using them13:23
Lava_Crofti have an air suction system in the house that will make sure any fire gets enough oxygen13:23
jon_yI wish my apartment unit fire codes require it13:23
jon_yCO2 ones are easy to use, but the powder ones are more effective13:23
jon_yyeah, it leaves a mess13:24
jon_ypowder everywhere13:24
DocScrutinizer05alas CO2 ones are more hard to get, resp way more expensive13:24
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Lava_Croftdont ever use powder extuingishers13:26
Lava_Croftyou might as well let it burn down then13:26
Lava_Croftpowder shit goes everywhere, you can recondition everything in the house13:26
Lava_Croftinsurance people never like powder extuingishers13:27
jon_yprobably for use in open spaces only13:27
jon_ynot sure how high the risk of suffocation with a CO2 extinguisher13:28
Lava_Croftheh13:28
Lava_Croftsupposedly Google paid off Adblock Plus13:28
jon_y:(13:29
Lava_Crofthttp://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.horizont.at%2Fhome%2Fdetail%2Fgoogle-ist-geldgeber-von-adblock-plus.html&act=url13:29
jon_yhow do I block google ads?13:29
Lava_Croftblock some google adresses?13:30
psycho_oreosDon't they have an option now (as a logged in user to Google) to disable certain ads?13:30
Lava_CroftYes, but having the advertisement company provide an option to disable ads13:31
Lava_Croftim sure that will not disable ads:)13:31
psycho_oreosNope not efficiently but you could probably look at ways of blocking the site that gives more ads :)13:31
Lava_Croftyeah13:31
Lava_Croftvia hosts13:31
psycho_oreosPrivoxy still works :)13:32
Lava_Croftblock some googlesyndication adresses13:32
jon_yI have a local DNS server, might be overkill13:32
psycho_oreosCould probably make better use of it by filtering out ad farms13:33
Lava_Crofthttp://hosts-file.net/?s=Download13:33
Lava_Croftcan always poke at that:)13:33
jon_yI wonder if clients are EDNS aware enough to find out it was fooled13:34
jon_yI did notice skype was working, even when the DNS server was down, something fishy there13:35
psycho_oreosI think the actualy skype voice chat functionality itself does not rely solely on the skype server. It actually harnesses other people's connection (whom are also on skype) to host the data.13:36
jon_yit was able to connect and show the contact list, even when DNS was down13:40
jon_yright after the windows machine booted up13:40
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jon_ymaybe it is a cached list13:42
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psycho_oreosThat's what I was thinking.13:42
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DocScrutinizer05what the heck! ever heard of yodasoft or hidpoint? The hispoint sw installs under root permissions (of course), is free download from yodasoft site, yodasoft has no tel number, no geo-addr, no nuttin - this all feels like a pretty well designed malware15:22
DocScrutinizer05http://www.yodasoft.com/   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIDPoint15:23
DocScrutinizer05a lot of professional-looking web content, but zilch hard facts15:23
DocScrutinizer05http://www.yodasoft.com/clients.html15:24
DocScrutinizer05is it a hoax?15:26
DocScrutinizer05http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1976823&p=12323231#post12323231  whatever it is (mal/spyware or not) it seems not worth the effort. A pity15:34
psycho_oreosAlready very suspicious that there's no offline support for it. It also seems to be targeting primarily logitech devices when there's plenty more brands out there that has all those nifty "shortcut" buttons.15:36
Wizzuptrace the program and see what it is doing?15:37
DocScrutinizer05well, I already unpacked that friggin self-extracting archive15:38
Wizzup;(15:38
DocScrutinizer05which is rather easy and safe, under user account (no root), just copy away the /tmp/* dir before you answer "n" to the question15:38
DocScrutinizer05but what I see in this archive is still not convincing me to give it a shot15:39
psycho_oreoshttp://www.yodasoft.com/hidpoint.html <--- when you click on a link for more information, it goes to 404. Very trustworthy.15:39
DocScrutinizer05a lot of stuff incl disable-avahi.sh enable-avahi.sh, udev-scripts and whatnot15:39
DocScrutinizer05yes15:40
DocScrutinizer05it all feels very much like abandoned spyware or whatever15:40
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psycho_oreosI'm pretty sure all those scripts are for the cases of "one size fits all matter".15:40
DocScrutinizer05even the isntaller is a binary15:41
DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/49f92d29ce15:41
psycho_oreosI think that's somewhat a pretty standard affair with these companies that thinks they can create a single installer that would fit in virtually every context of the target distribution. I know lexmark does that as well with their printer/AIO range.15:42
psycho_oreosThe copyright on the webpage dates to 2008. One could say that they've stopped hiring "web developers" to write their site up.15:43
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DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/630c5d3a1315:45
psycho_oreosHmm that license/EULA seems to be dual licensed.15:45
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DocScrutinizer05though most of the binaries are form 26. March 2013 it seems15:53
DocScrutinizer05and *somewhere* I even faced a hidpoint-2.0 string15:53
DocScrutinizer05and the download "form" in "OS" has pretty recent coices15:54
DocScrutinizer05dafaq, I maybe should install it in a VM15:54
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, what do you need from HIDPoint?15:56
DocScrutinizer05it just smells fishy when a company that allegedly has top-1000 customers doesn't even provide a telephone number15:56
psycho_oreosThe included support seems to be a handful and they are somewhat rather old versions (apart from RHEL, who knows if its still relevant).15:56
qwazixI'm using a logitech mouse/kbd on linux and everything works fine, including extra buttons15:56
DocScrutinizer05well, not on mx5500 and MX Revolution BT mouse15:57
DocScrutinizer05it's working like a cheap 5$ mouse15:58
DocScrutinizer05and kbd15:58
qwazixhmm, did you check the keycodes of the extra buttons?15:58
qwazixare they over 255?15:58
freemangordon_qwazix: have some time?15:58
qwazixfreemangordon_, yep15:58
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, because there's a patched evdev that allows remapping kc >25515:59
freemangordonqwazix: on #embedlite16:00
DocScrutinizer05http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Keyboards-and-Keyboard-Mice/MX-5500-display-linux-driver/td-p/29966916:00
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: I don't see any events on any /dev/input/* for some of the buttons of mouse and kbd16:00
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, just a sec, I need to check something16:03
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: I have mx5000tools and revoco on my cloud-7 box for general public. Alas it doesn't work with this shit in BT mode, only when in USB mode (and I have no clue how to revert back to USB mode, it's in BT HID mode now)16:03
psycho_oreosHmm, are you able to reset pairing? once reset pairing you might be able to try and connect it through USB to see if it will the accept USB as a way to communicate.16:06
psycho_oreosThat is just a very rough guess at best.16:07
DocScrutinizer05I recall I had to use the setpoint tool under windows to revert to USB a year and half ago16:09
DocScrutinizer05and some shit didn't even work under windows&setpoint, when in BT mode16:09
DocScrutinizer05~lart logitech16:11
* infobot explains, ever so gently, that if logitech doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help16:11
DocScrutinizer05she's awesome, isn't she16:12
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I have a button on my laptop that doesn't work as it produces keycode 35816:12
DocScrutinizer05lart command must have AI16:12
qwazixxev and xinput do not catch it at all16:12
qwazixbut probing /dev/input/eventX showed the real keycode16:13
DocScrutinizer05and cat /dev/input/* ?16:13
DocScrutinizer05nah, zilch for me16:13
Wizzuptry evtest ?16:13
Wizzup(or input-read from uinput-mapper)16:13
DocScrutinizer05prolly the stuff that's simply borked in BT mode of that MX5500 shit16:13
qwazixso I used https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xf86-input-evdev-remap/ and a xorg.conf to remap it to 25516:13
qwazixand it works then16:13
DocScrutinizer05I checked all /dev/input/* (no less than 19!) and none gave any data for the buttons i'm interested in16:15
qwazixthen maybe it's something bluetooth related16:16
DocScrutinizer05saturn:/home/jr/halley2/home/jr/revoco-0.5 # ~jr/bin/revoco mode16:16
DocScrutinizer05revoco: No Logitech MX-Revolution (046d:c51a or 046d:c525) found.16:16
qwazixAlmost all my hardware is corded.16:16
DocScrutinizer05yes, the web has "doesn't work due to bluez-hid-foo..."16:17
qwazixThis is probably irrelevant, but I have a razer keyboard and used this to make extra buttons work https://github.com/tuxmark5/EnableRazer16:17
DocScrutinizer05wtf is .hs?16:19
qwazixhaskell16:20
qwazixI think...16:20
DocScrutinizer05*COUGH*16:20
DocScrutinizer05my eyes start bleeding16:20
qwazixlol, I didn't write it, don't blame me :P16:21
DocScrutinizer05https://github.com/tuxmark5/EnableRazer/blob/fc83097682f0fbea484dc7ea9cd670a17bbec811/src/Main.hs  UERGH16:21
DocScrutinizer05nah, no blame to anybody16:21
DocScrutinizer05:-)16:21
DocScrutinizer05I'm just an old man who doesn't like learn new tricks16:22
qwazixI think the official driver just sends something to enable those extra buttons, and they reversed-engineered it and send the same sequence16:22
DocScrutinizer05makes sense16:23
DocScrutinizer05anyway I can read a lot of languages. I _cant_ read _that_ gibberish16:24
DocScrutinizer05looks like a mix between python and forth16:24
qwazixAnother bit of info that might be helpful. On one bt keyboard/mouse combo I have, on windows, the dongle gets recognized as a mouse, unless you install the crappy setpoint16:25
DocScrutinizer05with some UPN16:25
qwazix(which happens to disconnect every time the pc sleeps, but that's irrelevant)16:25
qwazixon the same pc, using linux, the dongle is recognized as bluetooth device16:25
DocScrutinizer05on the disconnect thing, you can cure this in devicedriver settings where you disable suspend16:26
qwazixand so i had to pair the mouse/kbd with the normal procedure. I don't know what kind of sorcery they did to achieve that.16:26
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I don't want to disable suspend because the stupid guys at logitech can't write a proper driver!16:26
DocScrutinizer05ooh16:27
DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with disabling suspend for the BT driver?16:27
DocScrutinizer05or <whatever> driver16:27
qwazix(I read all of the 50something pages since 2008 on the logitech forum and I didn't manage to solve that crap)16:27
qwazixah, I thought disable suspend of the pc16:27
qwazixno that's not a problem, but I *might* have tried that along the zillion things I tried16:28
qwazixAnyway uninstalling setpoint solved the problem.16:29
DocScrutinizer05I had my fair share of web searching regarding that stuff, and this unpair-on-PC-suspend issue been known and allegedly related to BT transmitter getting powered down during suspend of PC16:29
qwazixso what! It should reconnect upon waking, not require pairing again.16:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but the driver is crap, it doesn't do proper re-initializing on power-return16:30
qwazixexactly16:30
DocScrutinizer05so you need to tell USB/BT/<whatever> to keep it powered during suspend16:31
qwazixbut I'm still buying logitech hardware because really nobody makes mice like them unfortunately16:31
DocScrutinizer05yep16:31
DocScrutinizer05particularly MX Revo, which they don't make anymore as well, LART LART LART them for that16:32
qwazixAnd having a glass desk I have only two choices...16:32
DocScrutinizer05well, I have 3 of those now16:32
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DocScrutinizer05and two of those useless MX5500 kbd16:32
qwazixI have the mx performance16:33
qwazix(and the G500, two G9's, two MX1000's and a MX anywhere) :P16:34
DocScrutinizer05using scrollwheel of a MX Revolution feels to that of a normal mouse like switching from a caterpilar to a Porsche16:34
qwazixI assume the MX is the porsche16:34
qwazix(not that I've driven either CAT or Porsche)16:35
DocScrutinizer05the Performance has freespinning wheel, but not automatically16:35
DocScrutinizer05afaik16:35
qwazixautomatically?16:35
qwazixwhen you go fast enough?16:35
DocScrutinizer05yes, the MX Revo switches to freespin when a certain spinning speed threshold is tripped16:35
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly16:35
qwazixwow!16:36
DocScrutinizer05yes, WOOOW!16:36
qwazixand does it work as it should?16:36
DocScrutinizer05yes16:36
DocScrutinizer05the mouse has a controller that does that stuff autonomously16:36
DocScrutinizer05you just need to set the thresholds via setpoint or revocon16:37
qwazixbecause I have problems with the Performance. The clicky mode doesn't sit exactly at the switch threshold, so it does the scroll midway through the motion16:37
DocScrutinizer05eew16:37
qwazixand that is un-cool, especially for game16:37
qwazixs16:37
DocScrutinizer05I had that with my last mouse, similar to MX Revo but wired and with normal scrollwheel16:37
qwazixI tried to send it back for warranty but they gave it back to me and said "it works"16:38
DocScrutinizer05Mouseman Wheel16:38
DocScrutinizer05(bue, with blue LED)16:38
qwazixhttp://www.atarimagazines.com/startv4n5/genius_mouse.jpg16:38
qwazixI had one of those, but with three buttons16:39
DocScrutinizer05lol16:39
qwazixIt had a wide serial port16:39
DocScrutinizer05you could fix your wheel16:39
DocScrutinizer05minimal adjustment of position of IR-lightgap to wheel will do16:40
qwazixhmm, I can try that16:40
qwazixthen I had this http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/article/970422/m_mac.gif16:40
DocScrutinizer05probably all it needs is loosening the screws that hold the PCB and gently pushing it either up or down16:41
qwazix:nod:16:41
DocScrutinizer050.1mm is probably enough16:41
DocScrutinizer05in some mice the scrollwheel itself incl bearings is fastened by screws and you can loose those and move the scrollwheel while PCB incl light gap stays in place16:43
qwazixThe thing is that it's not consistently broken.16:44
qwazixLike the switching a couple of times between freespin and clicky fixes it for some days16:44
qwazixbut I will try that, nothing to lose16:45
qwazixOn an entirely different subject, I bought a used N900 with broken usb.16:45
qwazixthe usb in place but all the pins are cut off (someone has tried to reinforce it and there's solder on the sides keeping it in place)16:46
qwazixI tried testing it while pressing it with my thumb to see if there's any signs of life, but nothing16:47
qwazixIs there any hope?16:47
DocScrutinizer05soory, playing with my mousman wheel junk16:48
qwazix:)16:49
DocScrutinizer05check the electrical pins at rear end of USB receptacle16:49
DocScrutinizer05(mouseman wheel) logitech is incredible: they placed a huge thick steel piece inside for the right weight16:50
qwazixG500 has adjustable weights16:51
DocScrutinizer05I bet cherry did same on this G230 in front of me16:51
DocScrutinizer05it weight like a kilo16:52
DocScrutinizer05really nice kbd16:52
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, check you mean with a multimeter?16:52
DocScrutinizer05with a magnifying glass I suggest16:53
DocScrutinizer05wait, I got a bare PCB since yesterday. Let me verify16:53
qwazixwhat should I see?16:53
qwazixthey are not attached to the board, but seem to be in the correct place16:54
DocScrutinizer05damn that uSD board16:54
DocScrutinizer05hah, don't you think it would help to connect them ?  ;-P16:54
qwazixyeah, but my soldering iron has a tip that bigger than 3 of them together16:55
DocScrutinizer05:-D16:56
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DocScrutinizer05like I expected/recalled: on original PCBA with original USB those are covered by the metal housing of the USB16:57
qwazixsomebody messed up really with this unit...16:57
qwazixyeah they are almost covered, I can barely see them16:58
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DocScrutinizer05with a dremel and cutting blade you can cut of that cruft metal frame that covers the 5 contact pins16:59
DocScrutinizer05since it's functionally useless16:59
qwazixit looks something like this  http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4521/n900usbsocket2.jpg17:01
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly17:01
qwazixthat might help yeah17:01
DocScrutinizer05only worse17:01
qwazixthough my port looks slightly different (it doesn't have that hole in the middle)17:02
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DocScrutinizer05I just noticed that the ds-sticky holding uSD board is ~1mm think17:04
DocScrutinizer05I forgot that detail17:04
DocScrutinizer05actually that might be a rubber foam frame with thin ds-sticky on both surfaces17:05
DocScrutinizer05anyway I think it's not really needed at all17:06
qwazixThis thing had a flaky digitizer too, and I bought two chinese ones to replace it. Neither worked17:08
qwazixNow I order one from germany that comes with the frame and metal part below it17:08
qwazixs/order/ordered/17:08
infobotqwazix meant: Now I ordered one from germany that comes with the frame and metal part below it17:08
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: when you're really desperate, you can solder 5 0.1mm-diameter wires to the 5 pins of USB after removing it, each ~5mm length. Then solder those wires to the pads, and finally place the USB in right location while carefully bending wires away, then soldering the mech levers of USB17:08
DocScrutinizer05good luck with your digitizer17:09
qwazixhmm, that's an interesting idea, and seems easier than the dremel thing17:09
qwazixdo you suppose it would work just to heat up those pads as is? I don't think there's enough solder there to do anything17:10
DocScrutinizer05hmm, hard to guess17:11
DocScrutinizer05sure you could try reflow17:11
DocScrutinizer05but I guess your USB been replaced by a fool who didn't even think of the electrical pins17:11
qwazixprolly17:12
qwazixinteresting history: The guy who sold it to me said he repaired it in a Nokia Care center, BUT:17:13
DocScrutinizer05in http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4521/n900usbsocket2.jpg you can clearly see 4 of 5 broken17:13
DocScrutinizer05on that one reflow most probably would fix17:13
qwazixnear where we met to do the transaction, there's a guy who used to have a nokia care center, and now he works by himself, but never removed the nokia sign17:13
qwazixthe digitizer was certainly not nokia, so I think he tried to make a quick buck17:14
qwazixin my case all five are broken17:15
qwazixanyway, thanks a million! I'll try it and report back17:16
DocScrutinizer05:-)17:17
qwazixcya later17:18
DocScrutinizer05cya17:18
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anthonieanyone with some busybox knowledge around?19:08
Drathiranthonie: try to ask a question maybe someone know the answer...19:10
anthonie@Drathir, in bash, on my laptop, i would do an ip and mac search on the local network with ping and arp. But in ash, I can't get a range to run. say, for i in 192.168.1.{1..20} would start scanning 1 upto 20. In busybox, it refuses. I would like to know why.19:13
jon_ythat's bashism19:14
anthoniei know, but i can't find an equivalent19:15
jon_ytry seq?19:15
jon_yseq and xargs19:15
anthoniecould do, but that would mean.unportable code :( (or start using another bash version as welll), btw, it won't run on maemo bash either...19:17
jon_yhow is it unportable?19:17
jon_yseq 1 20 | xargs ... 192.168.1.19:18
entitledsex and drugs?19:18
anthonielol @entitled, thought those were universal19:18
anthonie@ jon, looking into it. portable as i , use the same scripts as i have on my laptop19:19
anthoniethanks @ jon19:20
jon_yseqnp19:20
jon_y*np19:20
entitledis there a solution for accidental closing of a program? like asking for confirmation or even removing the X from the GUI. I keep closing my terminal :E19:21
anthonieso stupid, never thought of seq, now i google this and there's tons of info!19:21
anthoniebows @ jon19:22
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japa-fifor i in `seq 1 20`; do ...19:39
japa-fi(or perhaps this is also bashishm19:39
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anthonieseems to work @ jon and japa_fi. I have not yet used it in the script but I think seq is the way to go.20:07
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DocScrutinizer51~botsnack21:06
infobotDocScrutinizer51: thanks21:06
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Drathirim thinking is any possibilities to enable sound when console bell is used?21:10
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DocScrutinizer51on maemo? hardly21:27
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DocScrutinizer51dunno if bash allows assigning a complete macro like 'playsound /usr/share/soubds/beep.wav' to plain 'char' ^G21:32
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DocScrutinizer51usually that's a job of console device21:34
DocScrutinizer51resp xterm21:34
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brolin_empeyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/brolin_empey/sets/72157634511837947/23:45
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