IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-06-14

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sixwheeledbeast^~moo00:11
infobotmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.00:11
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sixwheeledbeast^infobot? o/00:29
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xavinuxHi people, can someone tell me how can I contribute with the wazapp project please?00:44
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DocScrutinizer05ach noeee!00:52
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DocScrutinizer05resurrect, bot!02:01
DocScrutinizer05AWAKE!02:02
DocScrutinizer05WAKE UUUUP!02:02
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freemangordonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opU1urLhw5002:02
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freemangordoncheers :)02:03
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DocScrutinizer05~cheers02:09
infobothappy christmahanakwanzakuh!02:09
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DocScrutinizer05apt-get moo  -- AWESOME02:11
DocScrutinizer05(works even on N900)02:11
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo moo02:12
infobotmoo -- created by mgeary <n=mgeary@166.70.44.49> at Fri Sep 28 15:18:07 2007 (2085 days); last modified at Thu Apr 18 20:21:06 2013 by cirdan!~chris@c-68-45-49-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net; it has been requested 274 times, last by sixwheeledbeast^, 2h 39s ago.02:12
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you don't need the "-- AWESOME" part02:13
freemangordonon n900 at least02:13
DocScrutinizer05lol02:13
sixwheeledbeast^do you mind some people are trying to sleep :P02:13
freemangordonyep02:13
freemangordonno sleep for them :P02:13
freemangordonif I am AWAKE... :D02:14
DocScrutinizer05BUUUG02:14
DocScrutinizer05apt-get -qq moo02:14
DocScrutinizer05expected: no output02:15
freemangordonI really hate that sully has lost his voice just before the concert here :(02:15
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xavinuxHi people which is the better way to program apps for N9 with python, PyQt or PySide?02:16
DocScrutinizer05hmmmm02:17
freemangordonxavinux: it makes no difference, all of them will be buggy02:17
DocScrutinizer05hehehe02:17
DocScrutinizer05/topic02:17
freemangordonxavinux: but well, just in case, ask on #harmattan02:17
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, a couple of jacks :D02:18
DocScrutinizer05not that we hate N9 here, it's just... they know better over there02:18
xavinuxok thank you02:18
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GI_Jackanyone else psyched fore the jolla mobile phone?02:19
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GI_Jackor do you think they won't ship or something02:19
DocScrutinizer05depends on your definition of psyche02:19
DocScrutinizer05I'm sure they will ship02:20
DocScrutinizer05just when02:20
DocScrutinizer05and what02:20
GI_Jackafter the n950 seeing is believing02:20
GI_Jackwell02:20
DocScrutinizer05is not really defined yet02:20
GI_Jackdo you think we'll see one by year's end02:20
DocScrutinizer05hardly02:20
GI_Jackthey got something on gsmarena02:20
GI_Jackhttp://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php02:20
DocScrutinizer05I mean: the said they want to ship end of year02:21
freemangordonGI_Jack: what about n950?02:21
DocScrutinizer05you don't think they step out of their way regarding that age old tradition to never keep schedules02:21
GI_Jackfreemangordon, there isn't one in my pocket, thats what02:21
freemangordonyou reaaly think this is the cherry on the top?02:21
DocScrutinizer05that's so popular in whole industry02:21
freemangordonGI_Jack: well, I have at least one, trust me, n900 goes circles around it :)02:22
GI_Jackwat?02:22
DocScrutinizer05SHHHH! I eventually wanna sell mine!02:23
DocScrutinizer05fool02:23
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: oh, sorry02:23
GI_Jackthe n900 is great except for two things 1) its a fucking brick 2) the software and hardware is starting to get dated to the point interoperbility is starting to lag02:23
freemangordontoldya, I am a little drunk :P02:23
GI_Jackkernel  2.6.28 is starting to get old, so is OpenSSL 0.9.8 whatever ver of gecko shipped with firefox 3.502:24
GI_Jackglibc 2.502:24
freemangordonGI_Jack: n950 is the next best thing after the sliced bread, DocScrutinizer05 has one to sale for 2000 EUR02:24
DocScrutinizer05guess what's happening to kernel of N950 ;-P02:24
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but only tonight02:25
DocScrutinizer05tomorrow I will sell it for 250002:25
GI_Jackthe 600 mhz single core cannot handle flash 10, versions of fennec past 8, or any replacements for flash02:25
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DocScrutinizer05orly?02:25
freemangordonGI_Jack: you sure?02:25
GI_Jackyes02:25
freemangordoncool02:25
GI_Jackthere is a working compile for flash 10.1 for the n90002:25
DocScrutinizer05hand me some jack!02:25
GI_Jackit installs, and it runs, albiet too slow to use02:26
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* freemangordon gives DocScrutinizer05 a bootle of Jack02:26
freemangordonbottle even :D02:26
GI_Jackfennic version 8 runs, but past that is too slow to really use02:26
GI_JackI wonder if someone could port kernel 3.402:26
DocScrutinizer05fennic? dashite02:26
GI_Jackyeah, what else are you gonna run, try making a modern version of microb?02:27
DocScrutinizer05fennec been slower than even plain FF on maemo 3 years ago02:27
GI_Jackwhats going to run html5 on the n90002:27
DocScrutinizer05for me microB is modern enough02:27
GI_Jackfor now, it doesn't do html502:28
DocScrutinizer05no c'mon decide - html5 OR flash1702:28
DocScrutinizer05now even02:28
DocScrutinizer05I heard opera still runs fine02:28
GI_Jackmodern version02:29
GI_Jack??02:29
freemangordonGI_Jack: yeah, make up your mind, HTML5 or flash02:29
GI_Jackboth02:29
DocScrutinizer05and you maybe should test freemangordon's zumbified version of microB02:29
freemangordonGI_Jack: BTW ever heard of embedlite?02:29
GI_Jackno02:29
GI_JackI'd rather have html5 if I had to pick02:29
freemangordongoogle of it02:29
freemangordonIPCLite is the other name02:29
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: you know dat factoid?02:30
freemangordon~cssu-thumb02:30
infobotmethinks cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=122059702:30
freemangordon:P02:30
freemangordonGI_Jack: I have n950, gave it to my GF and still using n900. Guess why02:31
freemangordon(besides the fact I love my GF)02:31
rikaneefreemangordon: any complaints from her wrt the hwkb bug?02:31
DocScrutinizer05who wants to pet gorillas the whole day long? ;-P02:31
freemangordonrikanee: yep02:32
freemangordonand I flashed pr1.3 hoping the bug is resolved02:32
freemangordonno difference02:32
DocScrutinizer05hwkbd bug?02:33
freemangordonrikanee: I guess you mean the bug when you have the second letter un uppercase, ain't?02:33
freemangordon*in02:33
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at his n95002:33
rikaneefreemangordon: yep02:33
DocScrutinizer05LOL02:33
GI_Jackhow do I switch from CSSU stable to CSSU thumb?02:34
DocScrutinizer05HAH :-D02:34
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: if you type too fast (for the device), you have auto-cap acting not only on the first letter, but on the second and eve on the third02:34
GI_Jack is it as simple as following the link?02:34
freemangordonyep02:34
freemangordonGI_Jack: it is as simple as following the instructions02:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ok, no bother. I don't use fancy shit like auto-capitals02:35
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GI_Jackgonna try thumb02:36
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, I guess you dont use your n950 too much02:36
DocScrutinizer05was the 1. Thing i switched off02:36
GI_Jackthe best parts of the n900 came from the community some only after its been somewhat obsolete02:36
DocScrutinizer05indeed02:36
freemangordonotherwise you'll see that VKB is more usefull that HWKB02:36
* DocScrutinizer05 blows off the dust02:36
DocScrutinizer05eeeew02:36
freemangordonHWKB on n950 has nothing to do with the one on n90002:36
DocScrutinizer05yep, true DAT02:37
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freemangordonnot that it is bat, it is just too big02:37
freemangordon*bad02:37
DocScrutinizer05n950 kbd is amont the ... two worst kbds I ever got my claws on02:37
freemangordonor maybe one just need to be used to it, don;t know02:37
freemangordon*needs02:37
DocScrutinizer05no, it's a epic failure in ME02:38
DocScrutinizer05only kbd of eten glofiish M800 is worse02:38
DocScrutinizer05you have zilch feedback where the keys are02:39
DocScrutinizer05since all is flush in one plane02:39
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: could be, my first device with full qwery is n900, so I am spoiled02:39
freemangordonshit02:39
freemangordonQWERTY02:39
freemangordonmuch better :D02:39
DocScrutinizer05ok, the m800 had not even gaps between the keys02:39
DocScrutinizer05but that's only marginally worse than n95002:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, maybe if one use it for some time..., who knows02:40
freemangordonthough I needed 1 day to feel comfortable on n900's KB02:41
DocScrutinizer05we had looong debates which kbd is better, n810 or n900. But there never been a debate about n950, it's plain crap02:41
freemangordonyeah :(02:41
rikaneethe N900 keyboard felt perfect for my gorilla hands, imo.02:42
robbiethe1stI like the N900 KB02:42
freemangordonrikanee: what?02:42
rikaneejust took some adjustment to get used to BlueArrow, but I could type pretty quickly on it.02:42
freemangordonaah, sorry02:42
DocScrutinizer05not to talk about hw kbd integration into HARM, I guess that hasn't really changed a lot since very first firmware. And why should it, since... nobody has a n95002:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I bet that if something works with HWKB it is by chance02:43
rikaneefreemangordon: I was able to get a feel for the N900's HWKB pretty easily, but getting used to reach out to Blue Arrow was a bit hard02:43
DocScrutinizer05:nod:02:43
freemangordonrikanee: I just misread what you said02:44
rikaneefreemangordon: aah.02:44
DocScrutinizer05I found the n810 kbd harder to handle in *that+ regard02:44
* freemangordon already said he is a little drunk :)02:44
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DocScrutinizer05shhhh, don't give it away02:45
rikaneeso, I assume everyone here can touch-type on the N900 ;)02:45
freemangordon:P02:45
DocScrutinizer05touch-type?02:45
freemangordonrikanee: yes02:46
freemangordonthough we still lack good portrait VKB02:46
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: Open an X-Terminal, and mount a partition without looking at the device.02:47
DocScrutinizer05np ;-P02:47
freemangordonrikanee: impossible, everything is auto-mounted :P02:47
DocScrutinizer05sh-ctl-x02:47
DocScrutinizer05root02:47
DocScrutinizer05hfttfehs02:47
DocScrutinizer05mount /media/mmc02:48
rikaneefreemangordon: oh, right, thanks to Pali's new ke-recv02:48
freemangordonyep02:48
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: there is no /media/mmc :P02:48
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DocScrutinizer05not when you get a blacklist ;-D02:48
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DocScrutinizer05*SIGH*02:49
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: but ofc. TW it won't work without a battery too02:49
freemangordon*BTW02:49
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and you can't mount the uSD upside down02:50
freemangordon:D02:50
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: on a serious side, did merlin1991 make the new CSSU-T? with a fixed tinymail.02:50
DocScrutinizer05how much is an unused lumia800 on fleabay?02:51
DocScrutinizer05this brick annoys me now02:51
merlin1991freemangordon: I'm still awake, and still working, no cssu action yet :/02:51
freemangordonhmm?02:51
freemangordonmerlin1991: ah, ok02:51
freemangordonmerlin1991: working on the GF takes priority, I know :p02:52
DocScrutinizer05I got a hooker sitting on my desk ;-P02:52
merlin1991well the GF in this case is a buildscript for an arm project02:52
DocScrutinizer05shiny02:52
merlin1991great fun working on that ;)02:52
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wish you luck Mr Kane02:52
GI_JackI am installing CSSU-Thumb, it wants to add the CSSU testing catalouge, is this neccary(I don't want testing)02:52
freemangordonGI_Jack: yes, it is.02:53
DocScrutinizer05and guess what, I wanna sell it02:53
merlin1991GI_Jack: thumb is ontop of testing, you won't get around testing if you want thumb02:53
freemangordonGI_Jack: read what is written there, it is not that much02:53
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: you want to sell a hooker?!?02:54
freemangordonI thought you are an EE?02:54
DocScrutinizer05dang, it needs three cssu maintainers incl chief maintainer of cssu-t and chief of cssu-thumb to convince GI_Jack02:54
DocScrutinizer05<deep voice> I AM KNOWN BY MANY NAMES </deep voice>02:55
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: well, we are just kidding him, we know he'll have his device bricked n about 20 minutes or so02:56
GI_JackI am installing CSSU thumb now02:56
freemangordon10 minutes then02:56
GI_Jackstill trying to find the right type of funk to put on the GSM modem to keep it working02:56
DocScrutinizer05ugh02:57
freemangordonfunk?02:57
DocScrutinizer05pogo?02:57
GI_Jackin this case "glue"02:57
* freemangordon asks google translate02:57
DocScrutinizer05lil steel springs are the trick02:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ooh, sissy02:58
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, half the trick02:58
GI_Jackthere are steel springs in there new02:58
GI_Jacknow02:58
DocScrutinizer05or maybe good elastic foam02:58
GI_Jackand they pop the shielding off with too much vibration02:58
DocScrutinizer05LOL02:58
GI_Jacksprings held in with super glue02:58
DocScrutinizer05jack in the box02:58
GI_Jackotherwise they'd get knocked loose02:59
DocScrutinizer05sure02:59
GI_Jackwith liquid rubber on top to prevent it from smacking the metal part of the body or making electrical contact02:59
GI_Jackseems to work alright02:59
DocScrutinizer05you probably should consider reflow02:59
GI_Jackbut I think I am going to try and hold the sides down with liquid rubber, or mabey I'll get some RTV silcone gasket maker02:59
GI_Jackthat stuff is awesome02:59
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: BTW do you know if anyone had succesfully reflowed that?02:59
GI_Jackliquid qersome02:59
GI_Jackreflow as in? make a new one?03:00
freemangordon(GSM module)03:00
DocScrutinizer05~wiki reflow03:00
DocScrutinizer05damn bot!!!03:00
DocScrutinizer05hot air soldering03:00
freemangordonkill him. kill him with fire03:00
DocScrutinizer05seems its dead, jim!03:00
GI_Jackahh03:00
merlin1991hm finally, my buildscript is taking form03:01
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: actualy... when I come to think of it, not really03:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm, it could be IR i guess03:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, my thoughts exact03:01
DocScrutinizer05but I already got a reflow station for the time I run into a n900 with cmt defect03:02
freemangordonmerlin1991: wanna help. trust me, right now I can make a working script noone can grok, including me ;)03:03
DocScrutinizer05it just sounds too plausible to doubt it could work03:03
merlin1991freemangordon: it's already beyond being grokable03:03
DocScrutinizer05eeeeek it lives03:03
freemangordonmerlin1991: ooh, nice. I like code like that03:03
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DocScrutinizer05that hooker suddenly started vibrating03:04
merlin1991it's written in python, and dynamically imports bits from everywhere and uses about every single syntax shortcut there is in python03:04
merlin1991I'm amazed it even works :D03:04
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: turn off the bi red thing and she'll settle03:04
freemangordon*big03:04
* freemangordon hates python, jave, basic... and all the other interpreter stuff03:06
freemangordonjava even03:06
merlin1991I dunno I sort of like python, but php, basic, and other I don't :D03:07
freemangordonmerlin1991: ever seen basic?!?03:07
freemangordonthis shit is dead for the last 15 years!03:07
merlin1991well *visual basic* not the old old basic :D03:07
freemangordonaah03:08
freemangordonwell, VB and basic are different kinds of beer03:08
freemangordonVB is compiled actually03:09
merlin1991true03:10
merlin1991but there is also vb script ;903:10
freemangordonwhich is VB script, not VB :p03:11
freemangordonthe same as JScript and Java03:11
freemangordonwhich reminds me...03:12
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: how is rough humor tolerated here? Will I be banned?03:12
freemangordonhowever03:13
GI_Jackis there anyway you guys could make the software manage faster + less full of fail03:14
freemangordonGI_Jack: ofc no, we are paid to make it as much slow as we can03:15
GI_Jackfigured as much, damn03:15
freemangordonand we are doing our best03:16
freemangordonif it is not slow enough, please file a bug03:16
DocScrutinizer05VBA03:19
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DocScrutinizer05and I actually had to use VB (and VBA) only 12 years ago03:19
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: merlin1991: you know what is the similarity between Java and anal sex? The fact they are applicable for everyone doesn't make them something good.03:20
DocScrutinizer05I thought that's basic03:20
freemangordonno. it is about java03:21
DocScrutinizer05applicable for everyone?03:21
freemangordonbasic has never been ported (afaik) on anything else but apple and 808x03:21
DocScrutinizer05you mean it can be done to everyone, not that everyone knows how to do it?03:22
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no, i men that you can fuck both men and wimen, the same way you can code Jave on win, linux, unix,...03:23
freemangordon*mean03:23
freemangordonshit03:23
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GI_Jackfreemangordon, so your telling me, using java is a little like taking it  up the ass?03:23
freemangordonguess it is time to have some sllep03:23
DocScrutinizer05hrrrhrrhrrr03:23
freemangordonGI_Jack: hmm, not exactly03:23
DocScrutinizer05I guess I actually have to find my chanop hat in the wardrobe03:24
freemangordonyeah :D03:24
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: on the other hand.. I don;t see much of on-topic discussions03:25
DocScrutinizer05there are other giudelines I might have to consider03:25
DocScrutinizer05;-)03:25
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DocScrutinizer05but actually I'm too bored now, to consider anything except heading to TV03:26
freemangordonok, I don't mind being kicked, I was supposed to be in bed 1 hour ago :D03:26
DocScrutinizer05infobot been faster than you03:27
freemangordonGI_Jack: what I meant is that the fact your java app is cross-platorm doesn't make it something good ;)03:27
freemangordoncross-platform even03:28
GI_Jackfreemangordon, I was making a joke about the user experiance and security holes over the years03:28
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GI_Jackand my general opinion on java03:29
freemangordonGI_Jack: sorry, I missed that one, I already explained I was a little drunl03:29
GI_Jackawesome03:29
freemangordondrunk03:29
GI_Jackas soon as I leave work, me too03:29
freemangordonnot a little anymore :D03:29
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freemangordonhowever, going to have some sleep, night guys03:30
GI_Jackg'night03:30
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freemangordonuser_: vi, is that you?03:34
freemangordonhmm, sems like no03:34
freemangordonshit03:34
DocScrutinizer05dang, I think #debian has a ban on user* and on *_ and *__03:34
freemangordonanyway, I am out03:34
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DocScrutinizer05I guess I should set a mode +bbbb user user_ user__ user___  get a proper nick first!03:37
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DocScrutinizer05and +bbbb *__ *___ *____ *_____ your epeen is too eee03:38
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GI_Jackso I got cssu-thumbs installed06:22
GI_Jackthis auto turn shit06:22
GI_Jackon the desktop06:23
GI_Jackwhat gives06:23
GI_Jackthe accelerometer on the n900 is shitty as fuck and mine is miscalibrated06:23
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ruskiehttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/an-open-of-course-letter-to-my-friend-the-nsa/10:21
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ShadowJKhttp://www.explosm.net/comics/3201/10:23
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personDoDo skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslims youth and spy 4 isreal&usa???????10:46
personDodo they record and analyse every word we type????????????10:46
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DocScrutinizer05when mr GI_Jack wouldn't rant'n'run, I would've pointed him to ~jrtools where he would've found the gconftool cmdline to stop that - admittely annoying - autorotate shit11:35
DocScrutinizer05and the misscalibration of accelerometer is an age old known effect that is only curable by a powerdown11:36
DocScrutinizer05in hindsight most probably caused by this brainfsck in KP that allowed concurrent access to I2C device since it removed/neutered systemwide device locking11:39
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vi__DocScrutinizer51: I just read your email to the mailing list about designing the GTA04 main PCB into N900 cases.13:40
vi__surely there must be some kind of legal repercussion for this kind of thing?13:41
vi__But a great idea none the less!13:41
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't know of any13:41
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DocScrutinizer05maybe we need to remove the NOKIA branding13:42
vi__It is an exciting possibility.13:42
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, but for how long?14:02
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DocScrutinizer05~wb14:05
infobotIt's great to be back!14:05
DocScrutinizer05and byebye14:07
DocScrutinizer05~+status14:08
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DocScrutinizer05wow, still alive14:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: would you be able to resell n900 cases?14:12
kerioor would you have to only sell the board and let the user put it in the case?14:12
DocScrutinizer05I can't see why I can't resell cases that I purchased on ebay14:13
keriowith the board inside?14:14
DocScrutinizer05why not?14:14
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DocScrutinizer05they are not even made by Nokia, usually14:14
DocScrutinizer05as mentioned above, maybe we need to remove the "NOKIA" stamp on the bezel/frame14:15
DocScrutinizer05and the one on back cover14:15
DocScrutinizer05if it's not already NOKlA14:16
DocScrutinizer05(lower-case L)14:16
DocScrutinizer05;-)14:16
DocScrutinizer05honestly, I don't expect any problems14:17
DocScrutinizer05we're not selling a Nokia fake, we sell a custom made PCB built into a genuine Nokia case14:18
DocScrutinizer05clearly labeled and advertised as such14:18
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DocScrutinizer05byebye infobot14:18
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i want a n900 with 2gb of ram :314:19
keriowill we be able to run fremantle on this hypothetical new board?14:19
DocScrutinizer05or even "custom OMAP4 PCB in a case labeled "NOKIA" - might be a fake, we don't know"14:20
DocScrutinizer05we may buy those cases in China, we may import it to EU, so why wouldn't we be allowed to resell them?14:21
DocScrutinizer05disassembled, assembled with whatever we like inside, or blended to dust14:21
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vi__kerio: fremantle, no.  Not as such.  Hildon, yes.14:22
kerionow i'm imagining the "will it blend?" guy blending a n90014:22
DocScrutinizer05remove the "NOKIA" printing and advertise it as "amazingly similar to N900"14:22
kerio"hey look, it still has pretty much the same amount of ram"14:23
vi__'similar yet legally distinct'.14:23
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DocScrutinizer05We might find a lawyer that looks into it, but I don't expect any problems, particularly not when not selling in the 5 to 6 digit quantity14:25
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DocScrutinizer05what worries me way more is availability of the ME birdseed like antennae/aerials, buttons, the friggin flex connector board with all the stuff like proximity sensor, frontcam etc on it (or if we could assemble/build such stuff ourselves), Stylus, matching main camera module, etc pp14:29
kerioare there even 5 digits' worth of N900 users?14:29
DocScrutinizer05right now it seems like yes14:29
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: why not mold new covers in cheap-ass China factories?14:30
DocScrutinizer05we didn't do recent checks of repo VM accesslogs, but last numbers been ~30k active devices14:30
kerioyou'd need one in three users to buy one, to justify a 10k board production14:30
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: the molds for such stuff cost you an arm and a leg14:30
vi__rikanee: because you may as well mould your own design then.14:30
rikaneeah.14:30
kerioDocScrutinizer05: sell board, distribute 3d-printable design for case14:31
rikaneeso, is this a GTA04-style drop in board, or are you actually producing N900+1's?14:31
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall 6 digit numbers, maybe NTD14:31
vi__rikanee: It is just an idea.14:31
rikaneeah.14:31
keriowouldn't the actual GTA04 kinda work already?14:31
DocScrutinizer05yes, kinda14:31
DocScrutinizer05in N900 you mean?14:31
kerioyeah14:32
DocScrutinizer05yep14:32
kerioi assume it works well in the GTA0214:32
DocScrutinizer05it's somewhat similar14:32
keriobecause it's made for that specific purpose14:32
DocScrutinizer05well, the BOM of GTA04 is way more like N900 than like gta0214:32
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DocScrutinizer05e.g they switched to OMAP (or a similar drop in replacement)14:33
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DocScrutinizer05while GTA02 had Samsung S3?244214:33
DocScrutinizer05which had no awesome SR technology and no zeroclock14:34
SpeedEvilI found that the nook simple touch has a similar processor to the n900. I'm not sure if it's actually drop in.14:35
DocScrutinizer05Raster and me always bitched about that nonsense to go into suspend on a embedded device14:35
SpeedEvilWoo - 800MHz!14:35
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rikaneeSpeedEvil: 34/35/36xx mobile processors iirc all have the same package14:36
SpeedEvilStill 256M though14:36
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if those oneNAND provide POP with more, for the 345014:37
kerioDocScrutinizer05: suspend on a phone could kinda work i guess14:37
rikaneeSpeedEvil, yup, you'll need to install new OneNAND, and flash some sort of bootloader14:37
kerioas long as you have something waking it up for calls14:37
DocScrutinizer05kerio: it doesn't14:37
DocScrutinizer05resume takes way too long14:37
keriohm14:37
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: 512MB OneNAND's available for the OMAP3, see N914:38
rikaneeIIRC Samsung has them up to 2GB14:38
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: yes, for the 36xx14:38
SpeedEvilrikanee: The one in the NST boots from USB, or emmc. I don't know if this would work if the pinstraps are wrong14:39
DocScrutinizer05obviously not14:39
rikaneeisn't the boot config burned-in on the N900?14:40
DocScrutinizer05but what's NST?14:40
DocScrutinizer05no14:40
rikaneeeither that, or OneNAND was the first priority boot device14:40
DocScrutinizer05hardwired14:40
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: ah. I remember reading on some TI page about being able to use secondary boot loader from anywhere you wanted14:41
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: Nook simple touch.14:41
DocScrutinizer05yep14:41
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: It's a e-ink reader that is being sold cheaply in various countries.14:41
rikanee(but burnable by manufacturer)14:41
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: thanks14:41
SpeedEvilThe UK, for £2914:41
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SpeedEvil(I am not of course serious about CPU upgrades, I just happened to notice the processor)14:41
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: well, there's a ROMBL in 3450 that checks two bootstrap pins and those decide where it boots from14:42
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: ooh, there we go.14:42
DocScrutinizer05(maybe 3)14:43
SpeedEvilI guess for certain pinstraps, if you were reworking, you could not populate the balls14:43
DocScrutinizer05sure, you could drill out the pads, or whatever14:44
SpeedEvilI was meaning pull off a ball before reflow14:44
DocScrutinizer05but if I'm not mistaken, even N900 *should* check MMC as well during boot14:44
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: so we could install NOLO/X-Loader to MMC?14:47
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DocScrutinizer05err, I'm just checking if the lack of proper caffeine made me dream and I told BS14:50
DocScrutinizer05for example that chip is called 3430, not 345014:51
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DocScrutinizer05and I can't find the pinstraps14:52
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DocScrutinizer05"SYS_BOOT*"?14:54
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: can you help me out?14:56
DocScrutinizer05might actually be that EFUSE thing or whatsitcalled14:57
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: I thought we could, yes14:57
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: but I also thought I could get some coffee and proper breakfast today14:58
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DocScrutinizer05OMAP3515.03_Applications_Processor___spruf98D_10-2009.pdf___focus.ti.com\\lit\\ug\\spruf98d\\spruf98d.pdf   p.854,  CONTROL_IVA2_BOOTMOD    IVA2.2 boot mode register15:02
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DocScrutinizer05The CONTROL.CONTROL_IVA2_BOOTMOD register defines the IVA2 boot mode and drives the15:03
DocScrutinizer05IVA2_BOOTMOD[3:0] signals out from the control block to the IVA2.2 subsystem. Based on the value of15:03
DocScrutinizer05IVA2_BOOTMOD[3:0], the ROM boot loader executes different boot modes of IVA2.2.15:03
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DocScrutinizer05>>15:08
DocScrutinizer05SYSBOOT Pins15:08
DocScrutinizer05The internal ROM Code can attempt to boot from several different peripheral and memory devices, including, but not limited to: Serial (UART3), SD Card, eMMC, NAND, and USB. The order in which these devices are searched for a valid first-stage booting image (x-loader) is determine by a set of GPIO configuration pins referred to as SYSBOOT. The TRM includes a table that shows the booting device list that each combination of the SYSBOOT15:08
DocScrutinizer05pins refers to.15:08
DocScrutinizer05<<15:08
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: sorry, on mobile, reading data sheets isn't really practical15:09
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: seems I found it :-)15:10
SpeedEvil:-)15:10
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DocScrutinizer05>>The SYSBOOT value can be read from physical address 0x480022f0, either using JTAG, or if you have linux running, use devmem2:<< http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project15:11
DocScrutinizer05devmem2 0x480022f0 b15:12
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DocScrutinizer05I wish I had devmem2 binary on my device15:13
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DocScrutinizer05ugh, seems messybox-powder has devmem15:15
DocScrutinizer05and n900-android has devmem215:17
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DocScrutinizer05rikanee: in focus.ti.com\\lit\\ug\\spruf98d\\spruf98d.pdf on page 3492, 25.4.1.1 BOOTING TYPES you find details how to boot from e.g. uSD15:26
DocScrutinizer05> >The ROM code detects whether the device should download software from a peripheral interface (H SUSB or UART 3) by using the sys_boot pin configuration. This mechanism encompasses initial flashing i nproduction (external memory is empty) and reflashing in service (external memory is alread yprogrammed) .Table 25-6 lists the pin multiplexing according to boot peripheral.<<15:28
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GeneralAntillesTicking down the last hours for nominations16:00
DocScrutinizer05p.3491: Table 25-5. Booting Configuration Pins after a Warm Reset16:01
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: do you think we'll find the 4th victim?16:02
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GeneralAntillesI tried cajoling people on Twitter last night. No luck so far.16:12
DocScrutinizer05ooops - Table 25-4. Peripheral Booting Configuration Pins after POR  ; is the right one16:15
GeneralAntillesNot only has public perception of HiFo been poisoned, but nobody wants to be on the board for similar reasons.16:18
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DocScrutinizer05yep16:18
DocScrutinizer05:-S16:18
DocScrutinizer05while the candidates so far would be a quite nice company16:19
DocScrutinizer05everybody should be happy to cooperate with you guys who already nominated16:19
GeneralAntillesWhat are the threshold numbers for the candidate counts?16:20
DocScrutinizer05I honestly can't put more on my plate16:20
DocScrutinizer054, 6, 916:20
GeneralAntillesI can't get the by-laws PDF to come up.16:21
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DocScrutinizer05for, 3, 5, 716:21
GeneralAntillesNo, I don't think you should. We need more people, not more tasks fort the same number of people.16:21
DocScrutinizer05yes16:21
DocScrutinizer05ask win7mac! :-)16:23
DocScrutinizer05he seems very eager to help community16:24
DocScrutinizer05also I think tmo threads with more than 5 posts lack interest even with new follow-up posts on them. If you want to reach people on tmo, you actually need to start a new thread, sad but true16:27
DocScrutinizer05I wonder where's the whole "HARM folks"16:27
DocScrutinizer05do they think HiFo is irrelevant for them?16:28
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: I've never really seen a lot of new people from HARM around, though.16:34
rikaneemost of the people I know here on M.O are Fremantle dudes.16:34
tissihey, i'm trying to make the "swap on microsd" work16:34
tissibut i cant extract the swapoff binary outta the debian mount package16:35
tissino permission16:35
rikaneetissi, try installing busybox-power16:35
tissiyou telling me to replace essential system binaries?16:36
tissialright lets do it16:36
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, probably burnt out from MeeGo.16:36
DocScrutinizer05tissi: well, that's also my concern :-)16:37
DocScrutinizer05tissi: nevertheless *allegedly* messybox-pova 'works'16:37
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tissi"it just werks" -ceo of windows foundation, richard stallman (r.i.p)16:39
DocScrutinizer05uh? *That* RMS?16:39
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tissiuh oh16:44
tissistill cant extract data.tar.gz16:44
tissilong list of operations not permitted16:44
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rikaneetissi: the stock tar xvzf doesn't work?16:46
tissiuh16:47
tissino, doesn't seem like that16:47
rikaneeprobably a wrongly-formed tarball, likely with different-encoding filenames16:47
rikaneetry tar-gnu.16:48
tissiyeah i heard something about symlinks and filesystems and stuff when i googled this a while ago16:48
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tissiwait what tar-gnu?16:48
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tissiis this a package i need to install?16:49
rikaneetissi, yep.16:50
tissi"tar-gnu is already the latest version"16:51
DocScrutinizer05err, you're not extracting to vfat fs maybe?16:53
tissithe deb file is at /home/user/MyDocs/deb and i'm trying to extract in the same location16:53
tillor corrupted file system?16:54
tissiimpussibre16:54
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DocScrutinizer05that location is vfat and thus doesn't support posix/unix file permissions16:54
tissijust flashed the whole thing 2 days ago16:54
tissialright, tell me what to do16:54
DocScrutinizer05neither links16:54
DocScrutinizer05well, I dunno what exactly you try to do16:55
tissi"Swap priorities16:55
tissiIn order to utilize both swap partitions to balance the I/O load (striping), they should have the same priority. The /bin/swapon command shipped with Maemo is the busybox version that does not support -p option. If you don't have Easy Debian environment installed, download the stock Debian mount package for the armel architecture and extract (-x) the swapon binary from it, and copy it somewhere e.g. /sbin/s16:55
tissiwapon.debian.16:55
tissi"16:55
tissii'm at the part where i'm extracting the swapon and swapoff binaries16:55
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DocScrutinizer05cd; mkdir extract; cd extract;  tar -xvzf /home/user/MyDocs/deb/foobar.tgz swapon16:58
DocScrutinizer05sth like that16:58
DocScrutinizer05fix the tar cmd parameters to match your needs16:58
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tissiyou did it17:00
tissithanx frien17:00
DocScrutinizer05yw17:00
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tissisay, you know a lot of stuff about gnu/linux17:03
tissiever used crunchbang?17:03
DocScrutinizer05nope17:05
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tissiugh.17:11
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DocScrutinizer05I actually never heard of it17:23
DocScrutinizer05sorry17:23
tissinp17:25
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: afaik, it's debian for people that can't install debian17:27
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fw190If I got it correct I could stand in the elections just so that we have 4 and can vote. How to nominate myself?17:30
DocScrutinizer05just visited their website17:30
DocScrutinizer05fw190: you need to post your self-nomination to the maemo-community ML17:31
DocScrutinizer05you _should_ post it to other places like tmo as well17:31
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DocScrutinizer05fw190: do you know your karma as of end of last year? >100?17:33
fw190I just sent a message to maemo-community@maemo.org17:34
fw190last time I had something like 16017:34
DocScrutinizer05great! :-D17:36
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fw190Your mail to 'maemo-community' with the subject17:37
fw190    HiFo election17:37
fw190Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.17:37
DocScrutinizer05umm, yeah that happens. When you haven't registered to that ML17:38
DocScrutinizer05...and I have no clue who's moderator and how that moderator would approve a mail17:38
fw190hmm then I have to sign in to mailing list17:39
DocScrutinizer05just c&p the mail to tmo, and you're fine. Or even better, add yourself to http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_201317:39
fw190ok17:41
fw190I edited the message17:41
fw190and wil post on the wiki17:41
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fw190Damn17:48
fw190My karma shows 1817:48
fw190now I do not understand anything17:48
GeneralAntillesCalc is broken17:49
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DocScrutinizer05fw190: don't worry. If your karma been >100 last year then all ok17:58
DocScrutinizer05fw190 16817:59
DocScrutinizer05verified17:59
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DocScrutinizer05officially17:59
DocScrutinizer05forget your karma17:59
GeneralAntillesSomebody want to call khm's karma?18:00
fw190yeah so now we hve 4 and we can vote - splendid ;)18:01
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: nonexistent18:02
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-12 02:50:24] <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think khm has sufficient karma18:03
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-12 02:59:55] <DocScrutinizer05> in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1270698&postcount=59 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=28751&d=1348332102  I can't spot maier, khm, or karmaflux18:03
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-12 03:01:26] <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/profile/view/karmaflux/ gives karma:2918:03
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-12 03:03:33] <DocScrutinizer05> if somebody thinks we need to calculate current karma manually since it might result in >100 when we do, please contact woody about it, since he knows what's missing currently in karma calculation and can add those values manually18:03
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DocScrutinizer05iirc it's just wikimendia edits and tmo posts and thanks that are missing18:07
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DocScrutinizer05but looking at your karma you can tell what's missing and calculate manually from the values shown in wiki resp tmo18:08
DocScrutinizer05the algo is linked form the page with your karma iirc18:08
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DocScrutinizer05also I haven't seem khm for quite a while18:09
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure if he keeps his nomination up18:10
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if eligibility-candidates rules are maybe missing a paragraph about cooperation of candidate being mandatory to have the candidate running18:12
DocScrutinizer05I mean, it's hard to figure how you could self-nominate 12 weeks (made up value) before elections, not even provide any self declaration or mandatory data, and then expect to show up on the ballots18:14
DocScrutinizer05and come after elections and ask "so am I elected now?"18:15
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GeneralAntillesYeah, missed two nomination periods.18:16
DocScrutinizer05so I consider that a non-nomination18:17
DocScrutinizer05besides the probably missing karma18:18
fw190DocScrutinizer05: you are talking about me or khm? I got lost ;)18:18
DocScrutinizer05khm18:18
fw190ahhhh ok18:18
DocScrutinizer05fw190: your karma is checked and OK18:19
DocScrutinizer05officially18:19
sixwheeledbeastthere wasn't enough karma for Council elections anyway.18:19
DocScrutinizer05indeed18:19
DocScrutinizer05we already been there, done that18:20
DocScrutinizer05since khm also self-nominated for council18:20
DocScrutinizer05so unless somebody claims this must have changed since then... khm not running18:21
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sombragrishi there18:22
sombragrisDoes anyone know how to install the new tweetian 1.8.1?18:23
sombragrisit complains that it requires a new library18:23
sombragrisqt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat18:24
sombragrisbut the system cannot find it in the repos18:24
sombragrisIn the topic, Custodian recommends to install nelisquare18:24
sombragrisI tried to do so, and installed nelisquare 0.4.8 without much trouble; still unable to install tweetian 1.8.118:25
sombragrisI uninstalled nelisquare, and tried to install nelisquare 0.5.0-beta, but I couldn't because of the same dependency18:26
sombragrisand I have repos enabled up to extras-devel18:26
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sombragriscan anybody help, please? I work as a CM and need a good twitter client in my N90018:26
sombragristhanks in advance :)18:26
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sixwheeledbeastDid someone fix the devel repo?18:31
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sombragrisIDK18:32
sombragrisbtw: I use CSSU stable18:32
sombragrisif you are aware of another twitter client working now, I'm open to suggestions18:33
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sixwheeledbeastsombragris: which have you tried18:56
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Sosica17:56sixwheeledbeastsombragris: which have you tried18:59
Sosica(he disconnected)18:59
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sixwheeledbeastnot according to pidgin19:00
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merlin1991sixwheeledbeast: what mkes you think that19:06
sixwheeledbeastthink what19:07
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sixwheeledbeasthe has now left the room...19:12
Sosicayep, same message as before19:13
Sosicaand I think merlin is referring to your statement about the devel repo19:13
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sombragrisback19:13
merlin1991yep Sosica is right19:13
sombragrisnow this is more like it. XChat is better than the web-based Kiwi IRC19:13
sixwheeledbeasteh..19:16
merlin1991so yeah sixwheeledbeast what makes you think that someone fixed the devel repo?19:17
sixwheeledbeastoh packages are appearing19:17
sixwheeledbeastmerlin1991:^^^19:19
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sixwheeledbeasthttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-uncertainties/2.3.6-1maemo1/19:19
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sixwheeledbeasthttp://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/19:20
merlin1991I suppose that was a side effect of me pushing the cssuT8.2 release through by hand19:22
sixwheeledbeastAlso neilsquare has it's page back ... http://maemo.org/packages/view/nelisquare/19:23
sixwheeledbeast\o/19:23
sixwheeledbeastI have only asking so I can give props to the persons involved :)19:23
sixwheeledbeasts/have/am/19:24
sixwheeledbeast~ping19:24
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: I am only asking so I can give props to the persons involved :)19:24
infobot~pong19:24
sixwheeledbeastmmm19:24
sixwheeledbeast..lag...19:25
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sombragrisbtw, any pointers to my twitter questions will be appreciated19:32
sixwheeledbeast<<(16:50:37) sixwheeledbeast: sombragris: which have you tried>>19:32
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sombragrissorry, I answered that before, it evidently didn't get here19:33
sombragrisI tried: TweeGo, TweedSuit, Tweetian (1.6.x), Khweeteur, TwimGo (never worked for me)19:34
sixwheeledbeastso it seems19:34
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sombragrisnone of them currently work. I understand that Tweetian is the one that works with the new Twitter login API19:34
sixwheeledbeastok well I know of no others apart from Canola 2 plugin19:35
sombragrisbut I cannot install it because it complains of a missing dependency and I cannot solve that19:35
sombragrisI use CSSU19:35
sombragriswhat is Canola 2 ?19:35
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sixwheeledbeastI music player, but you may find that uses the old API19:37
sixwheeledbeasts/I/A/19:37
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: A music player, but you may find that uses the old API19:37
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sixwheeledbeastI think Tweetian is the only hope if you fix the dependency issue.19:38
sixwheeledbeastCustodian isn't here to ask either.19:39
sombragriscan anyone tell me where I can get qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat ?19:39
sombragrisI mean, it's nowhere to be found, even in extras-devel19:39
sombragrissixwheeledbeast: I think so. I'm ok with that, tweetian seems such a nice app. I used it previously for a managed account and worked like a charm.19:40
DaRoDii have a strange problem since i flashed my n900 this week. i restored my gmail account from a backup. I can consult the message list, but on every message, if i want to see the detail, i get "message not available on server" anyone already got that?19:42
sombragrisI ran apt-get update on the command-line and I got something interesting19:42
sombragrisConflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )19:42
sombragrisdoes anyone know about this ?19:42
sombragrisperhaps this may be behind the problem19:42
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sixwheeledbeasttweetian is not in the repos so can't check it's dependencies19:44
sixwheeledbeastsombragris: http://maemo.org/packages/view/qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat/19:44
sombragrissixwheeledbeast: thanks!19:45
sombragrisbeats me, how it is missing even from extras-devel19:45
* sixwheeledbeast is going for a shower while he has chance...BRB19:45
sombragrislol19:46
sombragrissixwheeledbeast: thanks for the pointer. enjoy the shower19:46
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DocScrutinizer05((<merlin1991> I suppose that was a side effect of me pushing the cssuT8.2 release through by hand)) [2013-06-11 23:26:41] <xes> hi Doc!,.. crond "killed by term signal" (during strange i/o errors ..?)  [2013-06-11 23:28:10] <xes> ..crond just restarted19:58
* sixwheeledbeast is back :)19:59
sixwheeledbeastoh.. cronjob that makes sense...19:59
sixwheeledbeastsombragris: how's it going, it seems tweetian was never uploaded to repos.20:01
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sombragrissixwheeledbeast: I just installed it via dpkg20:02
sombragrisnow, let's see if it runs20:02
sombragrismy biggest problem was the qt-components thingie20:03
Siceloquestion: when you display dashboard, default Maemo blanks the wallpaper, and also when you browse application menu. how do you change that?20:03
sombragrissixwheeledbeast: it works!20:03
sombragristhanks20:03
sombragrisnow let's see if it connects to twitter20:03
sixwheeledbeastsombragris: np20:04
sombragrisbad news: unauthorized20:04
sombragriserror 40120:04
sombragris:S20:04
sixwheeledbeastsombragris: you'll have to ping Custodian about that. have you read the thread on TMO20:04
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sombragrisyes, I wrote on the thread, no answer so far20:05
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: not sure what you mean20:05
Sicelolet me show a screenshot20:06
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: I get you now.20:07
sixwheeledbeastthe darker part of the screen in taskswitcher and app menu20:08
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sixwheeledbeastwhat do you what to do with it?20:09
sixwheeledbeastSicelo:^^^20:09
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Sicelowhat i have now is that the wallpaper shows even in taskswitcher & all menu.20:10
sombragrissixwheeledbeast: I can confirm that tweetian does work.20:10
sombragrisI just had to relogin20:10
Siceloi like that, but i don't remember what i did to get that :P20:10
sixwheeledbeastgood glad you sorted.20:10
Siceloand a friend would like me to help him do it ;)20:11
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: I think you modified the transitions file.20:11
sixwheeledbeast~transitions.ini20:12
sixwheeledbeast~transitions20:12
Sicelowhich part of that? :/ .. i'm looking at the wiki, but so far can't see what it could be20:12
sixwheeledbeastinfobot: transitions.ini is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop20:13
infobotokay, sixwheeledbeast20:13
sixwheeledbeast~transitions.ini20:13
infobotwell, transitions.ini is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop20:13
sixwheeledbeast:)20:13
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: Blurless and Blurless Sat effect this.20:14
Siceloare those supported in stock h-d, or they need the modifed one?20:16
sixwheeledbeastSicelo: Why not copy your file on your device to his, remember to backup first.20:16
sixwheeledbeastCSSU h-d has the thp tweaks.20:16
Sicelook. i don't thik he's on cssu yet. will have to start there20:17
* Sicelo is afraid of the day i'll have to reflash :P20:18
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GI_JackOK, so I followed the instructions for CSSU-Thumb, and under "About Community CSSU" it doesn't mention thumbs anywhere20:22
Siceloit meantions fingers? ;)20:25
Sicelolol. just fooling around20:26
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GhostRideryou could always thumb type on your N90020:28
GhostRideri'm sure that will help :D20:28
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divVerentis there a new problem of modest vs gmail?21:10
divVerenton every message, I see the headers but cannot open you21:10
divVerentmessage "subject" is not available on the server21:11
thedead1440divVerent: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9039921:11
thedead1440divVerent: fix courtesy of freemangordon http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1351776&postcount=9921:12
sixwheeledbeastincluded in Tmaemo8.2 AFAIK21:13
divVerentany timeline on the cssu upgrade needed for this?21:15
divVerentI can confirm the fix21:19
divVerentbut... something as critical as this probably needs to go into cssu stable quickly21:20
divVerentyou know what is weirdest? when I searched for the error, I found posts from 2011 without a solution21:20
divVerentthat already described the cause (a sublist)21:20
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divVerentso gmail apparently did this before (the RFC allows it), nokia did not fix it, and gmail rolled it back21:21
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divVerentso apparently they now tried again21:22
sixwheeledbeastI think there is a Smaemo release due soon, hopefully it will get fastracked through being a priority. But TBH there's a lot of stuff going on at the moment and not enough hands IMO.21:22
divVerentwhat is Smaemo?21:22
thedead1440divVerent: CSSU-Stable :)21:22
divVerentoh :P21:22
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sixwheeledbeastPeople are working very hard to just keep stuff ticking over...21:24
divVerentyes...21:24
divVerentand as we see, some of the old nokia code is in really bad shape21:25
divVerentlike the imap parsing21:25
divVerentso there is always some fires to extinguish21:25
divVerentwhat's next, we will find out that MicroB parses html with regexes? :P21:26
ecc3gis there a fix for the stock f/w?21:27
divVerentanyway, thanks freemangordon, fix works21:27
divVerentecc3g: probably nobody did21:28
divVerentyou can try it yourself by applying https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail/commit/3dc8ea1e0f59aa313de194849c9144be9845eb8e to the original sources21:29
freemangordonecc3g: the "fix" for the stock FW is CSSU21:29
divVerentpatch btw is quite surely still not rfc conforming though :P21:29
divVerentI bet imap has also some sort of escaping to support literal parentheses21:30
freemangordondivVerent: most probably you're right21:30
divVerenti am only guessing though21:30
divVerentbut imap protocol is insane21:30
freemangordondivVerent: But I don;t have the time to read through all of the related RFCs and to rewrite camel-imap21:30
divVerentshould I find out and submit a patch to g***l that adds all sorts of evil to imap?21:31
divVerentso all sorts of non conforming clients break? :P21:31
freemangordondivVerent: feel free to do it, it will be much easier then21:31
divVerenthehe21:32
freemangordonwe'll just fix what does not work ;)21:32
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divVerentseriously... I can rather try to find out why G did the change21:32
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divVerentwoukd not be allowed to tell anyone then though21:32
freemangordondivVerent: the RFC is from 2006 or something21:32
divVerentfreemangordon: sure, and I know what you are implying from this21:40
divVerentI do still wonder what that field is for that Gmail added... probably Android uses it, I would guess21:40
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divVerentand the source is partially available, maybe this part is among it... so I would recommend checking there.21:41
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Guest6860Ihave flashed with 21.2011.38-1 and rootfs by following the maemo updater guide. Now when I try to make call, it shows cellular network not available22:09
mad_devGuest6860: Try switching to offline and then online22:10
Guest6860i tried but not working, still same22:12
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mad_devWhere did you get the firmware from?22:18
Guest6860I just got a connection. I think its weak signal. My other fone used to work perfectly with full signal inside my room. but this one. I had to put my hands out of window to get a signal.  So the obvious question will it be always like this. (new to n900, actually first time getting a signal in n900) are your n900s like this ? and is there a way to improve the signal strength.22:18
mad_devPersonally, No. My phone always has a signal, if not 3g it will switch to 2g22:21
ecc3gmy n900 and 5230/nuron shows same signal strength...22:22
Guest6860so this might be a problem with this specific device. 3g not available so, its showing only 2.5g, abd that too if I stick my hand out. Is there a way to improve things.22:23
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DocScrutinizer05not really22:26
DocScrutinizer05you may try to disassemble and clean antenna contact22:26
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DocScrutinizer05also keep in mind that GSM antenna is next to AV/headset receptacle, you should hold the device accordingly (no joke)22:28
Guest6860@Docscrutinizer05,  I am saif.  I will take a look at dissasambling22:28
DocScrutinizer05you know you can get the original Nokia service manuals to do that disassembly right?22:29
Guest6860I was actually searching google. :)22:30
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/22:30
DocScrutinizer05add docs/22:30
DocScrutinizer05look into hw22:31
Guest6860Forbidden  You don't have permission to access /hidden/ on this server.22:31
DocScrutinizer05Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf22:31
DocScrutinizer05see my instructions above, DO NOT post complete URL anywhere!22:31
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