IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-05-18

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cehtehsome time ago i set up my own jabber server, way better for IM, no one snooping my conversations there00:00
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PaliDocScrutinizer05: problem is that: google (til now) had real jabber server. so you from your own jabber server were able to write message to @gmail.com contact00:35
Palibut now google decided to cut connection between google's jabber server and other jabber servers00:35
Sc0rpiusand why would anyone that's not running a business have a jabber server?00:35
Sc0rpiusand not just an account in gmail server?00:35
Paliand why should have account on gmail server?00:36
Paliif already have account on other jabber server??00:36
Sc0rpiusyou already have an account in the gmail server00:38
Sc0rpiusyou have a gmail address00:38
Sc0rpiusconvenience00:38
Sc0rpiusif I tell my wife "create an account in a jabber server so I can IM you during the day"00:39
Sc0rpiuswill be the worst mistake I would ever make in my whole life00:39
Paliand so I should tell to all my friends "to create account on gmail.com because I want to chat with us"?00:43
Palithis is nonsense00:43
Sc0rpiusall your friends have already Gmail accounts00:44
Sc0rpiuswho in this world doesn't have a gmail account?00:45
Sc0rpiusI don't know ANYBODY without a @gmail.com address.00:45
Win7Macyou're lost...00:45
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Sc0rpiusand if all your friends  have jabber accounts and you too then why do you need Google?00:47
Sc0rpiusjust use your servers.00:47
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Sc0rpiusI think Google was forced to do the call00:50
Sc0rpiuseverybody is expecting GTalk to be something bigger and better than WhatsApp and Blackberry Messenger and all that shi00:50
Sc0rpiusshit00:50
Sc0rpiusand I don't think Google can do that without getting rid of Jabber and change the XMPP into something of their own00:51
Sc0rpiuslike WhatsApp (that's also XMPP but compressed and encrypted)00:51
Sc0rpiusI'm wating for multimedia transfer, location sharing, contacts sharing, etc from GTalk from way too many time already00:51
Sc0rpiuss/wating/waiting00:51
Sc0rpiustoo much00:52
Sc0rpiusand Google obviously is losing the IM war00:52
Sc0rpiusto WhatsApp, BBM, Line, Viber, etc.00:52
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DocScrutinizer51dang, I forgot to tell infobot about "dumped by google"01:03
DocScrutinizer51watts up01:03
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DocScrutinizer51the battery monitor gadget for ebikes01:05
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DocScrutinizer51~ping01:21
infobot~pong01:21
DocScrutinizer51infobot: ping01:22
infobot~pong01:22
Win7Macbored?01:27
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kerio~ping02:30
infobot~pong02:30
kerio~pong02:30
infobot~ping02:30
kerio:D02:30
kerio~botsnack02:30
infobotthanks, kerio02:30
kerioyw02:30
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DocScrutinizer05not bored, just propagation delay of some 60s02:59
DocScrutinizer05at my end, both pong came same time03:00
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DocScrutinizer05actually I had no03:02
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-18 00:22:32] <infobot> ~pong03:02
DocScrutinizer05on my N900, but two03:02
DocScrutinizer05[2013-05-18 00:22:52] <infobot> ~pong03:02
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DocScrutinizer05~ding03:04
infobotdong03:04
DocScrutinizer05~king03:04
infoboti guess king is Dessimat0r03:04
DocScrutinizer05~kong03:04
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo king03:05
infobotking -- created by Dessimat0r <Dessimat0r@public1-birk1-3-cust60.bagu.broadband.ntl.com> at Fri Jan 10 19:27:16 2003 (3780 days); it has been requested 7 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 59s ago.03:05
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DocScrutinizer05~literal king03:06
infobot"king" is "Dessimat0r"03:06
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, king is kong, or Dessimat0r03:06
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay03:06
DocScrutinizer05~king03:06
infobot[king] kong, or Dessimat0r03:06
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo king03:06
infobotking -- created by Dessimat0r <Dessimat0r@public1-birk1-3-cust60.bagu.broadband.ntl.com> at Fri Jan 10 19:27:16 2003 (3780 days); last modified 22s ago  by DocScrutinizer05!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 8 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 17s ago.03:06
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DocScrutinizer05~sing03:07
infobotI'm Sexy and I know it! Yea!03:07
DocScrutinizer05~song03:07
infobotit has been said that song is what I listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl03:07
DocScrutinizer05I'm a barbioe giiiirl, in a barbie wooorld03:08
DocScrutinizer05~song03:09
infobot[song] what I listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl03:09
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo song03:09
infobotsong -- created by Templarian <n=Templari@ppp-69-214-5-27.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net> at Sun Jan 24 02:44:53 2010 (1209 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 24s ago.03:09
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DocScrutinizer05~kong is ~king03:31
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay03:31
DocScrutinizer05~dong03:31
infobotding03:31
DocScrutinizer05~pong03:32
infobot~ping03:32
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, song is ~sing, or what I listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl03:33
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0503:33
DocScrutinizer05~song03:33
infoboti heard song is ~sing, or what I listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl03:33
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, song is <reply>~sing, or what I listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl03:33
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0503:33
DocScrutinizer05~song03:33
infobot~sing, or what I listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl03:33
DocScrutinizer05~sing03:34
infobotI'm Sexy and I know it! Yea!03:34
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, sing is <reply>~song, or "I'm Sexy and I know it! Yea!"03:35
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0503:35
DocScrutinizer05~sing03:35
infobot~song, or "I'm Sexy and I know it! Yea!"03:35
DocScrutinizer05~pong03:45
infobot~ping03:45
DocScrutinizer05~dong03:45
infobotding03:45
DocScrutinizer05~song03:45
infobot~sing, or what I listen to such as Aqua's Barbie Girl03:45
DocScrutinizer05~kong03:45
infoboti guess kong is ~king03:45
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, kong is <reply>~king03:46
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0503:46
DocScrutinizer05~kong03:46
infobot~king03:46
jon_yDocScrutinizer05: why are you having Seinfeldian conversation with a bot? :)03:47
DocScrutinizer05~wiki seinfeld03:47
infobotAt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinfeld (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Other uses}} {{Infobox television |show_name = Seinfeld |image = |genre = Sitcom |director = Art WolffTom CheronesAndy AckermanDavid Steinberg |runtime = 22 minutes |creator = Larry DavidJerry Seinfeld |starring = Jerry SeinfeldJulia Louis-DreyfusMichael RichardsJason Alexander |executive_producer = Larry David (seasons 1–7)Benjamin Scott (seasons 3–5)Howard WestGeorge ...03:47
jon_yinane conversations :)03:47
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not having conversations, I'm checking/maintaining a database03:48
DocScrutinizer05~status03:49
infobotSince Thu May 16 18:12:47 2013, there have been 23 modifications, 99 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 39 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 6h 36m 22s this session, and currently reference 119055 factoids.  I'm using about 24076 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 391.98/8.35 child 0/003:49
jon_ywell it already sounds like it, carry on03:49
jon_y:)03:49
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DocScrutinizer05I'm wased by today's private and hidden and public debates and arguments03:50
DocScrutinizer05wasted even03:50
DocScrutinizer05~botsnack03:51
infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)03:51
DocScrutinizer05cya03:51
DocScrutinizer05when you wanna know details, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/03:53
DocScrutinizer05and that reveals only 20%03:53
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, deep breath. I feel deja vu reading that log.04:11
GeneralAntillesRelax and cut yourself and other people some slack.04:11
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dhbikerhi there04:51
dhbikeranyone here ?04:51
dhbikeri can't seem to get on Nokia's page for N900 image04:51
dhbikerfor flashing o.O04:51
dhbiker An error occurred while processing your request.04:51
dhbikerhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php04:52
dhbikerdoes it work for anyone ?04:52
nox-~skeiron04:52
infobotfrom memory, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post131514304:52
dhbikersweet04:54
dhbikertnx nox-04:54
nox-np04:54
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dhbikermmm the sight of fresh flash :D05:14
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dhbikersooo.... phone not booting and not going into flash mode07:21
dhbikerlet me guess empty battery ?07:21
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Muelli~bupbat15:32
infobot[bupbat] http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months15:32
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker, nox-:15:35
DocScrutinizer05~tabletsdev15:35
infobotrumour has it, tabletsdev is http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/15:35
DocScrutinizer05~skeiron is also see: ~tabletsdev15:36
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay15:36
DocScrutinizer05~skeiron15:36
infobotskeiron is probably the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143, or see: ~tabletsdev15:36
Muellihm. I don't understand that bupbat information. It suggests that there a two types of elements that one could use to replace the CMOS battery. The farnell link brings me to the capacitor. But what's the other option?15:36
DocScrutinizer05LiIon15:37
DocScrutinizer05deprecated15:37
Muelliis there any information on the specs of that LiIon battery? Like type number or smth? I want to head out to Conrad and they don't seem to have that type of capacitor. So I'm enumerating alternatives.15:38
DocScrutinizer05Conrad can't help you15:40
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dhbikerhi there15:46
dhbikerwhat to do if flasher says15:47
dhbikerVersion of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR015:47
dhbikerBooting device into flash mode.15:47
dhbikerand after that nothing15:47
dhbikerorange light and thats it15:47
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DocScrutinizer05http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/capacitors/electric-double-layer-capacitors-supercaps/131084?k=414hr <--bupbat15:48
DocScrutinizer05http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv32=115&FV=fff40006%2Cfff804e4&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25  <--bupbat LiIon15:50
DocScrutinizer05HB414-IV02E probably original component15:51
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miniyohi guys, can anyone give any hint on how to proceed with http://pastebin.com/YnxQKirk ?15:57
DocScrutinizer05dhbiker: charge your battery15:58
dhbikeri did15:59
dhbikerflashed15:59
dhbikerand now it doesn't want to start up15:59
dhbikerffs15:59
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DocScrutinizer05~flash15:59
infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware15:59
dhbikeri'm on thi page15:59
dhbikers*15:59
dhbikernow it powers on and instantly shuts down at nokia logo16:00
DocScrutinizer05then your procedure is not in line with what the page tells to do16:00
DocScrutinizer05do a complete reflash (*COMBINED* and *VANILLA*)16:01
MuelliDocScrutinizer05: thanks for the battery information.16:01
DocScrutinizer05yw16:01
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dhbikerapparently the other phone lied about charge16:01
dhbikerseems like this one is out of juice16:02
dhbiker-.-16:02
DocScrutinizer05toldya16:02
dhbikercharging with nokia c316:03
dhbikerkay then i do the right stuff... only the batter needs to be properly charged16:03
dhbikerty DocScrutinizer0516:03
DocScrutinizer05yw16:04
DocScrutinizer05miniyo: are you even in the right channel? this looks like N9 to me16:04
Muellitoo bad it's 30 USD shipping for the 1USB capacitor >.<16:04
DocScrutinizer05anyway,16:04
DocScrutinizer05~questions16:04
Muellis/USB/USD/16:04
infobotremember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>16:04
infobotMuelli meant: too bad it's 30 USD shipping for the 1USD capacitor >.<16:04
miniyoDocScrutinizer05: its n90016:05
miniyoI created empty folders, dpkg doesn't complaint now16:05
DocScrutinizer05Muelli: yeah, that's quite a problem16:05
DocScrutinizer05I several times started an effort to join orders to get the shipping cut down for every participant16:06
DocScrutinizer05it never panned out16:06
DocScrutinizer05for 5 people, it would look like: 1 bupbat = 1USD + (30/5)USD + 0.55EUR for a standard international letter16:08
Muelliplus 19%VAT16:09
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MuelliFarnell seems to ship for free to the UK.16:13
DocScrutinizer0525 http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VA5R/587-2158-6-ND/1959165  = Zwischensumme 20,82 €   Versand 18,00 €16:16
DocScrutinizer05~(20.82 + 18) / 2516:18
infobot1.552816:18
DocScrutinizer05assuming you'd find enough people willing to get a few, at that price, so all 25 get sold16:19
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Muelliso ~2.50 each battery/capacitor (if the batteries do not have to go through customs).16:20
DocScrutinizer051.552816:20
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DocScrutinizer05plus shipping from De -> destination, usually .55EUR16:21
DocScrutinizer05once per order16:21
Muellinah. you can't even send a letter within Germany for that price ;-) It's 0.75 EUR.16:21
DocScrutinizer05ugh, since when?16:21
Muelliit's .75 for international letters for a long time.16:22
Muelliand .58 for domestic letters since 01.01.16:22
DocScrutinizer05whatever16:22
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DocScrutinizer0520 ct difference16:22
DocScrutinizer05on a total of at least 15EUR16:23
DocScrutinizer05since I wouldn't start for qty < 10 pcs16:23
DocScrutinizer05well, maybe I'd do 5 qty, when 4 persons step up to get 516:24
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* RST38h moos16:27
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Win7Macprobably you can get them here?: http://de.rs-online.com/web/c/batterien/batterien/knopfzellen-batterien/16:28
rikaneethe battery's soldered anyway to the N900, why not replace it with a cap?16:29
DocScrutinizer05this *is* a cap16:30
rikaneeah, alright.16:31
DocScrutinizer0560mF16:31
DocScrutinizer05m like milli16:31
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: mmm, that should keep the RTC powered for some time16:31
DocScrutinizer05aka 0.06F16:31
DocScrutinizer05for a week or two I guess16:32
DocScrutinizer05anyway better than a LiIonMg cell that's supposed to power the RTC for 24 monzhs but breaks and is dead after 1216:33
DocScrutinizer05;-P16:33
DocScrutinizer05not to talk about the mess when it leaks16:34
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: just one of the (numerous) little design flaws that made it into the N900.16:34
DocScrutinizer05that particular design (rather QA) flaw made it into several products16:34
DocScrutinizer05in Openmoko Freerunner we used exactly same friggin Seiko battery, and thus I already knew they would break after 12 months the latest ;-P16:35
rikaneewell, they certainly didn't consider the fact that the user would welcome having to reset clock after having the battery drained for a year+++ than having to set clock again after having battery out for 3 seconds after a year of ownership ;)16:36
DocScrutinizer05I have like 80 spare here, from fab, and all are dead X-P16:36
DocScrutinizer05and don't ask about the nightmare to reflow those critters16:37
DocScrutinizer05nearly impossible16:37
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05, assuming the battery didn't wet the bed, a chip-remover (directed flow?) hot air gun works well.16:38
DocScrutinizer05i'm talking about production line16:39
divVerentwait... so the n900 has something (cap) to power the rtc when the battery is removed?16:39
DocScrutinizer05I think in the end our fab had them hand assembled16:39
divVerentnever worked for me ;)16:39
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05, wait, you have 80 OM boards with dead batteries?16:39
rikaneeouch.16:39
divVerentnot that I care much, I have ntp sync in the status dropdown16:39
DocScrutinizer05no, 80 batteries16:39
DocScrutinizer05unused fresh dead ones16:40
rikaneethat's some awful shelf life.16:40
DocScrutinizer05yes16:40
DocScrutinizer05Seiko cheating16:41
DocScrutinizer05it's broken-at-production product16:41
DocScrutinizer05just it turns out only 12 months later16:41
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: no surprise it never worked for you - probably you never owned a N900 that been younger than 12 months (since production) ;-P16:43
divVerenthehe, yes16:44
divVerentso this is a dead battery inside?16:44
DocScrutinizer05yes16:44
divVerentwill it leak if I dont remove it?16:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, possibly16:44
Raimu:|16:44
divVerentand it is soldered in?16:44
DocScrutinizer05yes16:44
divVerentdamn... so I probably should remove it but can't16:45
DocScrutinizer05directly next to power button16:45
divVerentso best I can do is hope it will not leak16:45
rikaneedivVerent: not only is there a dead battery inside, there's a dead battery with likely awful electrolytic inside16:45
divVerentthey all have  awful electrolyte ;)16:45
DocScrutinizer05well, it's not like a zinc-carbon battery, the leaking fluid is some organic acid that's not that destructive, it *seems*16:46
DocScrutinizer05but it's not exactly gentle to your skin16:46
DocScrutinizer05anyway the amount of electrolyte is small inside that 414 coin16:47
DocScrutinizer05diameter 4.8mm, height 1.5mm (or somesuch)16:47
DocScrutinizer05and max 5% of that are electrolyte I guess16:47
rikaneeoh, on an unrelated side note, my ISP just implemented capping and throttling on my unlimited plan. wonderful.16:48
Raimurikanee, where'd you live?16:49
DocScrutinizer05http://www.yuden.co.jp/productdata/catalog/en/capacitor01_e.pdf16:49
rikaneeRaimu, the Philippines.16:49
rikaneesince this is super ****ed, I'm going to my ISP this monday to terminate the contract and demand that they waive the ETF and CPE uninstall fee.16:50
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Muelliso here's what I'll do. I try to order at uk.farnell.com by Monday. Hoping that they'll deliver Tuesday or Wednesday. I'll meet up with a British friend and return the week after. So by 01.06 I should be in possession of the parts. Shall I order some more? Who wants stuff?16:55
Muelli(It's apparently free delivery to the UK)16:55
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DocScrutinizer05awesome! >> Don’t store PAS capacitor in a place where exposed to ozone, ultraviolet or x-ray. <<16:58
DocScrutinizer05Muelli: sure, please get me 1017:00
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DocScrutinizer05Muelli: though I honestly doubt Farnell will deliver free of charge. They's lose money on doing that17:04
DocScrutinizer05no sane business will do stuff they lose money on17:05
DocScrutinizer05Fernel Germany calims free shipping for orders >=65EUR17:05
DocScrutinizer05s/calims/offers/17:06
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: Fernel Germany offers free shipping for orders >=65EUR17:06
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DocScrutinizer05and Farnell of course17:06
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DocScrutinizer05but Farnell Deutschland doesn't ship to end users anyway, see http://www.hbe-shop.de/ for their end user outlet17:09
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DocScrutinizer05HBE ships free of charge for orders >=90EUR17:11
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DocScrutinizer05Muelli: http://privatepaste.com/a11cd169b917:13
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DocScrutinizer05KONDENSATOR,0.06F, 3.3V, STAKED COIN ArtikelNr.: 2112777 Stückpreis: 1,13 €   *10 = 11,30EUR; +~12EUR for shipping17:16
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DocScrutinizer05Muelli: I'd offer to get some of those for you (any qty you like) for 1,13/unit plus 7EUR shipping contribution for the whole thing17:18
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DocScrutinizer05so you can get one for ~8EUR, or 10 for ~ 1.83/unit17:20
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MuelliI see17:24
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DocScrutinizer05if you give me a quantity you'd like, I'd go ordering right away17:28
DocScrutinizer05(would be honestly surprised if this time this pans out)17:30
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kerio~rescueos18:58
infobot[rescue-os] http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/18:58
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder if we could get rescueos to a more stable URL19:09
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if my mirror on maemo.cloud-7 is up to date19:10
kerioPali: is the user supposed to change mount-opts?19:13
keriowhat's the purpose of mount-opts-override?19:13
Palimount-opts comes from DEB package19:14
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i can offer a reasonable amount of web hosting19:14
Paliso it will be overwritten after other update19:14
kerioPali: so? it's a config file19:14
kerioyou get asked for overwriting19:14
Paliand we have HAM19:14
kerio...oh right19:14
Paliwhich do not ask...19:14
kerioPali: nodiratime is implied by noatime19:16
Palioptions come from nokia19:16
kerioyeah19:16
keriomy point, really19:17
kerioi love the "nodev,nosuid" on vfat19:18
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jaskaheh19:21
keriowelp, here goes nothing19:22
kerio(rebooting)19:22
kerionope.jpg19:24
kerioPali: halp19:24
DocScrutinizer05lol19:25
kerioi /think/ it can't mount /home19:25
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Palikerio, and what you did?19:28
kerioso far, nothing19:28
kerioand there's nothing in /var/log19:28
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DocScrutinizer05mhm19:42
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* Wizzup is happy with external keyboard and mouse support; works like a charm with my virtual input devices :-)21:55
WizzupThis command gives me both an external keyboard and mouse on my n900: ./input-read -CD /dev/input/event5 /dev/input/event7  | ssh root@nokia-n900 uinput-mapper/input-create -C21:55
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DocScrutinizer05wow22:05
DocScrutinizer05USB?22:05
WizzupWell, it's USB on my netbook. Then I read the input devices on my netbook and forward the events over ssh (marshalled) and create identical devices with uinput on the n90022:06
ApicWHAT!22:06
* DocScrutinizer05 always loves to hear somebody making good use of USB hostmode22:06
WizzupNo, it's not USB hostmode. :-)22:06
DocScrutinizer05UGH!22:06
WizzupI will play more with that when I place the microusb AB connector on my n900 with broken usb22:06
DocScrutinizer05hehe22:07
WizzupI'm using this program I wrote: http://hetgrotebos.org/wiki/uinput-mapper (it is actually pretty nice for input redirections)22:07
WizzupMore practical, perhaps, you can do the inverse22:08
Wizzup(clone the n900 touchscreen to your netbook, and use it as input there)22:08
Wizzupover wifi22:08
WizzupThe only problem is making sure that you don't click on too many things on the n900 X in the process ;-)22:12
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kerioWizzup: does it perform significantly better than vnc22:16
kerio?22:17
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Wizzupkerio: well, in this case, no display/screen is forwarded22:17
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: sounds like a mad useful program22:27
kerioindeed22:27
DocScrutinizer05I always wondered how to mount or open devices on remote machines locally22:28
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DocScrutinizer05ooooh, and it's python :322:30
DocScrutinizer05how's thruput?22:31
DocScrutinizer05what about camera devices?22:32
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DocScrutinizer05I'd love to mount the camera of N900-a to N900-b to have a wireless remote camera22:32
DocScrutinizer05well, probably it's still just for *input* devices, right?22:35
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WizzupDocScrutinizer05: I don't know about camera devices, it's probably a bit harder, but it should be possible, but not with uinput-mapper22:53
WizzupBut yeah, this is for input devices only. Maybe I can extend the idea but I would have to think about it22:54
Wizzupand yeah, it's python now. :-) was C before, but I switched to python once a basic concept worked22:54
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DocScrutinizer05seems a good starting point for my kbd/mouse versatile macro driver23:26
WizzupYou can also just program uinput directly with it, I think23:27
Wizzupbut I'll be working on it more in the next few weeks (documentation etc)23:27
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