IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-04-24

qwazix	Or just tell people to copy/paste to wmo when they stumble on articles, and hope that all useful info get copied before they delete it	00:01
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DocScrutinizer05	qwazix: (archive) yes, we do!	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	(want)	00:06
qwazix	:nod:	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	there's skeiron for that, first approach	00:06
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DocScrutinizer05	174 results on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Developer_Library.html ->search: "maemo"	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	dunno how much of that already got backup'd on skeiron	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: please place a FAT election announcement on http://maemo.org (and eventually share the midgard admin login URL to techstaff)	00:16
GeneralAntilles	It's a privilege of your account	00:16
GeneralAntilles	It's not an admin URL	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	which account?	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	nfc	00:17
GeneralAntilles	My personal account.	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	the must be an URL of some kind	00:17
GeneralAntilles	Nope	00:17
GeneralAntilles	It's the Midgard toolbar that pops up when you login on maemo.org	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	errr, so how else are you accessing it? via ssh?	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	uhuh, so the URL is maemo.org, with JS enabled	00:18
Woody14619a	Yes, but that top bar changes quite a bit when you have privs... just saying.	00:18
Woody14619a	And depending on what area you're in...	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	that's why I'm asking "which URL (aka area)?"	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	NFC where to look and what to look for even	00:19
qwazix	GeneralAntilles, here's the banner I had made for the previous elections, if needed http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189430&postcount=138	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	I might have all the privileges of Mr Kernigan and still wouldn't know how to edit	00:19
qwazix	Maybe chem\|st could pop it up on tmo too...	00:20
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xes	http://static.maemo.org:81/style_maemo2009/img/maemo.jpg	00:20
xes	put it in the logo ;)	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	I could for sure grant myself whatever privileges I want, in midgard's friggin db	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	still I need to know where to look for what, to see if it had any effect	00:21
Woody14619a	All changes happen in that top bar. By area I meant, for example, I have the ability to post in the "Community Blog" area. I do NOT have the ability to post in the main page area, nor the ability to edit layouts.	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	xes: OOOHF*CK! "beta"????	00:22
Woody14619a	And admin should have that ability.. all in the top bar, everywhere.	00:22
n900-dk	IMO the referendum should also be highlighted in some way.	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	Woody14619a: fine, so I have to look for a "post2 button there?	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: fine! where?	00:23
qwazix	DocScrutinizer05, it's still beta	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, LOL	00:23
n900-dk	DocScrutinizer05: mo and tmo	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	rather omega	00:23
qwazix	muahaha	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: sorry, I don't know what highlight you mean	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	inverse colors for background/foreground text on the word elections?	00:24
n900-dk	like 'please place a FAT election announcement' - same for referendum	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	sure, I subsumed referendum under elections	00:25
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DocScrutinizer05	thanks :-)	00:26
n900-dk	ok, then we agree :)	00:26
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GeneralAntilles	Forgot there's no preview.	00:27
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GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/news/announcements/spring_2013_elections-referanda_voting/	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: I got a "article"->"edit"	00:31
GeneralAntilles	That'd be the one.	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	maemo.org > Home of the Maemo community > Edit	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	Edit Frontpage article: Home of the Maemo community	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	URL name (internal)	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	Title *	00:31
GeneralAntilles	Object locked. :P	00:31
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DocScrutinizer05	wow	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	first news in ~4 years	00:36
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DocScrutinizer05	ok, 2, to be fair	00:36
n900-dk	\o/ - keep them coming :)	00:36
Woody14619a	So... What I want is to get that menu to un-grey Website->Midgard Administration UI. :)	00:36
qwazix	funny, it gives me an option to "break the lock"	00:36
Woody14619a	Since that's where the plugin crap is likely screwed... (amoung other places.)	00:37
n900-dk	how long will it take for new maemo.org account to be able to request for vote token?	00:37
Woody14619a	Until I finish the option to add it.	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	wtf everything locked by Ryan abel?!	00:38
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qwazix	btw, This object was locked by Joerg Reisenweber. Lock will expire on 04/23/13 22:34:37.	00:38
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qwazix	DocScrutinizer05, ^^	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	midgard my ass	00:38
GeneralAntilles	Goddamn Midgard is obnoxious	00:38
GeneralAntilles	Logging out. . . .	00:38
Pali	look here: http://maemo.org/packages/__ais/help/org.maemo.packages/handlers/	00:38
Pali	there are some urls for package manipulation	00:39
GeneralAntilles	Woody14619a, mine's ungrayed, but I don't have access to anything I can make sense of in the Administration UI. . . .	00:39
sixwheeledbeast	It's not in the "News" section, more buried in the Announcement section.	00:39
GeneralAntilles	sixwheeledbeast, the News component is broken, sorry.	00:39
GeneralAntilles	I don't think anybody here has the permissions needed to fix it.	00:39
sixwheeledbeast	It's no problem thought I'd point out it only has small real estate on m.o main page	00:40
Woody14619a	I think it's less a permissions issue than it is a know-how issue. Midgard is not exactly well documented.	00:40
Woody14619a	Esp not the old version we're running.	00:40
GeneralAntilles	That, too.	00:42
GeneralAntilles	I'd dig around more to see if I can get to the News stuff, but I might lock everybody out forever. :D	00:42
Pali	wow, I found this: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/edit/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/	00:42
GeneralAntilles	Be nice if we could upgrade.	00:42
qwazix	Pali, wow	00:43
freemangordon	hmm, and why am I allowd to edit it?	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	I added "news" item	00:44
qwazix	Who has permissions to this? Everything seems editable to me.	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	crappy, admittedly	00:44
Pali	qwazix, me too	00:44
qwazix	Shit, and now it's on the irclog	00:45
freemangordon	oops	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	are you guys nuts?	00:45
qwazix	One can nuke our repos	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	yeah great!!!	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	honestly!!	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	you suckers!	00:45
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: security by obscurity?	00:47
Pali	we can change how many score is needed to promote extras-testing package :D	00:48
qwazix	I found this "The Ragnaroek LTS generation of Midgard is supported until October 1st 2013. "	00:48
n900-dk	Could date and time be added to the mo news "Referendum Voting Open"?	00:50
qwazix	Okay, is there a way to redact the url from the irclog?	00:51
qwazix	Because there doesn't seem to be a way to lock that page, edit metadata throws 404	00:51
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DocScrutinizer05	ok, sorry, I had to stop www	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	great job!	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	techstaff tries to find a way out of this mess	01:01
DocScrutinizer05	thanks to all who contributed	01:01
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DocScrutinizer05	sorry for +q	01:16
DocScrutinizer05	had to stop some users from typing without thinking	01:17
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n900-dk	guess voting is on pause then :) I will get back to it tomorrow	01:26
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Macer	hm	01:35
Macer	what type of video does the n900 support?	01:35
Macer	just typical h264?	01:35
Macer	aac?	01:35
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aaah	my n900 won't boot	01:41
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aaah	i had it turned off and plugged into the wall	01:41
aaah	i guess that's what caused it?	01:41
aaah	it won't even turn on	01:41
aaah	i just see a little yellowish colored light when i plug it into the wall, momentarily	01:41
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mrsellout	qwazix, re:midgard. I read that line about support ending in Oct 2013, but that contradicts the midgard website...	01:46
Macer	how does the pay by the day work for tmobile? anybody know?	01:46
Macer	i mean do they go by minutes?	01:46
Macer	like if you talk ? :)	01:46
qwazix	mrsellout, what does the website say?	01:46
mrsellout	Midgard1 8.09 Ragnaroek LTS is a Long Term Support version of Midgard1 for which bug fixes and minor feature improvements will be supplied by the Midgard community until October 2012.	01:46
mrsellout	http://midgard-project.org/midgard1/	01:46
DocScrutinizer05	aaah: you probably ruined your rootfs	01:47
DocScrutinizer05	the device tries to boot into cherging mode and hangs on it	01:47
DocScrutinizer05	charging even	01:48
mrsellout	I've been thinking about setting up a wiki page, as quite a bit of the infra is running on older s/w	01:48
Macer	nice	01:48
mrsellout	now some updates might well be unnecessary, but there will probably be some that contain security fixes	01:49
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Macer	going to wait to activate this 2nd sim .. i will do it when my heart monitor shows up for the e7 heh	01:49
qwazix	mrsellout, :nod:	01:49
DocScrutinizer05	aaah: your probelm would be that you can't reflash your rootfs without charged battery, and you can't charge your battery (in N900, usually) without working rootfs	01:49
DocScrutinizer05	mrsellout: great spotting!	01:50
Macer	heh	01:50
Macer	damn. i forgot fmobi is broken on the n900 lol	01:50
mrsellout	obviously some poor sod would have to carry out those updates	01:50
mrsellout	looks at DocScrutinizer05	01:51
aaah	so, what do you recommend doing, docscrutinizer05?	01:51
qwazix	aaah, if you can find an external charger, nokia 5800, nokia X6 or nokia N810 (probably other models too) you can charge your battery externally	01:52
qwazix	and then reflash\	01:53
DocScrutinizer05	get an external charger, or a bl-5j compatible phone, and charge battery. OR get a new charged battery (spare never is a bad thing to have), OR wait for somebody talking you thru a yet untested method to charge flat battery via rescueOS	01:53
DocScrutinizer05	meh, qwazix beat me to it	01:53
DocScrutinizer05	though N810 doesn't work too good	01:53
qwazix	N810 takes a bigger battery but works and charges fine with N900 battery	01:54
qwazix	you just have to make sure battery doesn't leave it's place	01:54
aaah	i really wish i'd never bought this phone	01:55
qwazix	(now that I remember DocScrutinizer05 is right, -as always-, I had to shave off a little bit of plastic to make it fit)	01:55
kerio	aaah: did you buy it recently?	01:56
aaah	yes	01:56
aaah	it's brand new	01:56
aaah	i still have the box	01:56
aaah	i will gladly sell it	01:56
aaah	i bought it for $200	01:57
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aaah	if i don't have rescueOS i can't do options 1 or 2, can i, docscrutinizer05?	02:03
aaah	i basically need to find a compatible phone or battery...	02:03
aaah	ugh... what a headache	02:03
Woody14619a	so	02:03
Macer	damn	02:03
Macer	fmobi is still broken	02:03
Macer	fail	02:03
Macer	guess this is what you get when running obsolete stuff :)	02:04
kerio	aaah: rescueOS is loaded via usb	02:08
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aaah	sorry, i'm just so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, i can't even talk about how i'm going to fix this... i might as well get off IRC because all i want to do now is trash talk the n900...	02:10
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Macer	heh	02:23
Macer	ah well	02:23
Macer	guess i can do the facebook sms shit	02:23
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DocScrutinizer05	aaah ragequit, embarrassed by own fuckup of his rootfs	02:29
DocScrutinizer05	ohmy	02:29
DocScrutinizer05	first those lusers go like "OOOH! GIMME that stupid piece of shit toy linux phone, so I can mess with it!" Then when they fucked up, they are "so pissed off about this stupid piece of shit toy linux phone" SIGH	02:30
nox-	well, charging dependent on working install is not so nice a feature id say...	02:31
nox-	imagine a laptop that wont changer if windows doesnt boot...	02:32
nox-	charge	02:32
DocScrutinizer05	granted. Nevertheless ame never happened to me during 4 yeras, on 2 active 24/7 devices	02:32
nox-	...and that wont work w battery taken out	02:32
DocScrutinizer05	go nuke the bios of that notebook and you'll see that other devices have similr bootstrapping problems	02:33
nox-	hah	02:33
DocScrutinizer05	you're not supposed to nuke your bios on laptop, and you're not supposed to nuke the rootfs of your N900	02:34
Macer	~handbrake	02:34
infobot	hmm... handbrake is a GPL'd multi-platform, heavily multithreaded DVD to MPEG-4 ripper/converter. HandBrake was originally available on the BeOS, but now has been ported over to MacOS X (with GUI) and to GNU/Linux (CLI only).	02:34
nox-	except that the latter happens easier than the former	02:34
DocScrutinizer05	unlike your laptop, N900 can always recover	02:34
Macer	is there some info on video settings for hb?	02:34
Macer	ie: what to scale the videos to etc?	02:34
Macer	http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding	02:35
Macer	wow	02:35
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Macer	800x448	02:37
Macer	doesn't the video player have a "stretch" optino?	02:37
Macer	so just turn off weighted p-frames	02:38
Macer	and encode it at its max res and i should be good?	02:39
Macer	let me try it :)	02:39
DocScrutinizer05	anybody else thinks "TMO IS DEAD"?	02:40
Macer	i wouldn't say that	02:42
Macer	i thought it was a bit active tbh	02:42
Macer	although... maemo.org in general has gone incredibly slow since the move. no offense. just seems a bit laggy	02:43
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Win7Mac	alive & kickin, DocScrutinizer... ;-)	03:37
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Macer	hm	04:11
Macer	my video didn't play :-/	04:11
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Macer	let me try encoding it with the preset they have on the wiki	04:15
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Macer	wow	04:17
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DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1338394&postcount=41	07:32
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n900-dk	Stupid get vote token "The e-mail address and username you gave do not match an existing voter, or you have already voted."	08:04
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DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	08:35
DocScrutinizer05	you got a mail with a mail-addr and a token	08:35
DocScrutinizer05	please c&p both to the according fields in voting page	08:36
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n900-dk	no, I tried to get a token	08:39
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n900-dk	registered yesterday on maemo.org, but login fails on maemo.org, but works fine on gmo	08:41
Sc0rpius	I guess you can't vote unless you're older than 3 months	08:42
Sc0rpius	I mean your account is older than 3 months	08:43
n900-dk	;) ahh, I see	08:43
DocScrutinizer05	you're free to send a mail to council, as suggested before	08:44
n900-dk	ok, thx	08:44
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n900-dk	but it is correct that an account on gmo should also work for login on mo?	08:45
DocScrutinizer05	err, not exactly	08:45
Sc0rpius	no I guess it's not	08:45
DocScrutinizer05	for some strange reason they may differ	08:46
Sc0rpius	I even have different users for garage and for tmo	08:46
Sc0rpius	I mean usernames	08:46
n900-dk	but I registered on mo, but account onyl works on gmo	08:46
Sc0rpius	though somehow the accounts are linked	08:46
DocScrutinizer05	I strongly suggest to use same username and passowrd on all accounts/logins, or you go insane	08:46
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DocScrutinizer05	tmo is completely differend story	08:48
DocScrutinizer05	there's at least one account on bmo, on gmo and on tmo	08:49
DocScrutinizer05	possibly mo is yet another one	08:49
DocScrutinizer05	bmo account is via mail-addr	08:49
DocScrutinizer05	tmo is completely unrelated	08:50
Sc0rpius	btw	08:50
DocScrutinizer05	though you can link your tmo account into gmo	08:50
Sc0rpius	somebody earlier said that since the migration all maemo.org is laggy but I do not agree	08:50
Sc0rpius	actually I get faster speeds from the repositores than before and the builder is way faster	08:50
n900-dk	I just dont understand how to register on mo then? The Register-button on mo is for gmo.	08:50
Sc0rpius	BUT tmo is slower	08:51
Sc0rpius	but tmo != maemo.org	08:51
Sc0rpius	it's just a little part of it	08:51
DocScrutinizer05	well, then the both should be identical	08:51
DocScrutinizer05	possibly needs syncing back from gmo db to www	08:52
DocScrutinizer05	which is a job that eats 6GB of ram for 30min	08:52
DocScrutinizer05	thus we don't currently run it via cron	08:52
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Sc0rpius	I just checked and my maemo.org account is the same than the garage.maemo.org account	08:53
DocScrutinizer05	yep	08:53
DocScrutinizer05	I see the issue now	08:53
DocScrutinizer05	sync job is neutered	08:53
Sc0rpius	but totally different to the tmo account of course.	08:53
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Sc0rpius	so the sync job is not in cron anymore?	08:54
DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: please stay patient, I'll try to prod my tech guys into finally doing sth with that snc job	08:54
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DocScrutinizer05	Sc0rpius: exactly	08:54
n900-dk	DocScrutinizer05: Excellent :)	08:54
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DocScrutinizer05	if nothing happened to fix stuff during next 24h, please pester me again, i'll run the job manually then	08:55
n900-dk	I will	08:55
DocScrutinizer05	thanks	08:55
DocScrutinizer05	WTF uplink 84Mb/s	09:08
DocScrutinizer05	somebody really hammering hard maemo.org	09:10
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DocScrutinizer05	mhm, back to 56	09:12
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XATRIX	Can anyone advice me some app as advanced call manager/history, to view detailed log of every incoming/outgoing call made ?	09:59
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XATRIX	How many incoming/missed calls was maid , what time rach call was registered...	09:59
n900-dk	XATRIX: I like Extented Call Log	10:00
XATRIX	Let's see	10:01
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DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: you'll need the patches to eventdb, see	10:09
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	10:09
infobot	[jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	10:09
DocScrutinizer05	>> ## find original at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/eventsdb_calllog_triggers.sh <<	10:10
DocScrutinizer05	# execute or source this to fix the missing end-times in eventslogger db	10:11
DocScrutinizer05	# thanks hcm @ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=690253&postcount=20	10:11
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XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: are these patches for Ext Call Log?	10:28
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DocScrutinizer05	yep	10:30
DocScrutinizer05	get http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/eventsdb_calllog_triggers.sh and execute in in a rootshell on N900	10:31
DocScrutinizer05	after that you could as well delete it, as you probably won't need is again soon	10:31
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XATRIX	Ok, thanks for a notice!	10:43
XATRIX	ok, executed and removed	10:44
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DocScrutinizer05	~botsnack	14:34
infobot	:), DocScrutinizer05	14:34
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anthonie	does anyone know why karma voting doesn't work in the maemo garage?	15:08
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Macer	hm	15:24
Macer	is there no m3u8 stream support for maemo?	15:25
anthonie	@macer, yes it's supported	15:26
Macer	hm	15:29
Macer	doesnt seem to be	15:29
Macer	can the browser not pass it off to video player?	15:29
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anthonie	perhaps if you add it as an internetstation to the mediaplayer but I am not sure about that.	15:31
Macer	hm	15:31
Macer	let me look it up	15:32
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Macer	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40822	15:37
Macer	lol	15:37
Macer	wth?	15:37
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anthonie	I thought the number 8 in m3u8 was a typo and that you were talking about m3u. my bad...	15:39
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anthonie	it does appear that hls-player supports m3u8 though...	15:41
anthonie	also, have a look here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=683112	15:44
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Macer	heh	15:56
Macer	no i mean the streaming format	15:56
Macer	hls-player?	15:57
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anthonie	yes, it's on git	15:58
Macer	oh	15:58
Macer	i skimmed through that post and saw some script etc	15:59
Macer	i just want to stream videos :-/	15:59
Macer	ad-droid does this fine out the box	15:59
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anthonie	maemo is not droid...	16:03
* kerio uses livestreamer, even on his computer, for most of the streaming sites		16:04
kerio	actually no, only for twitch.tv	16:04
kerio	but it supports more than that	16:04
kerio	it's a python program that uses rtmpdump and your video player of choice	16:04
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zammy	hi all	17:06
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zammy	I am new...	17:08
kerio	hi	17:09
zammy	I would some information...	17:09
zammy	is nokia n900 still developed	17:09
zammy	updating...	17:09
zammy	and it's still good ?	17:09
zammy	or in retirement	17:09
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zammy	I mean nowdays there is meego... lime or tizen	17:10
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zammy	I mean I am so confused... not I bought on ebay a nokia n900 I would know if I have a wrong thing	17:10
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zammy	did I mistake ?	17:11
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kerio	i still use a n900	17:18
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zammy	so it's cool I was afraid that n900 and maemo was not still in development	17:24
zammy	that was old and dead	17:24
zammy	well now its cost is lower... I buyed one n900 and soon I will be able to use it... I am googling and I see a lot of cool stuff	17:25
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zammy	anyway can n900 have other OS and upgrades in future right?	17:27
zammy	only thing I find that's a bad... maybe there is no 4g extension...	17:27
Raimu	Nokia doesn't do anything for n900 anymore, but users are making little improvements.	17:33
freemangordon	Raimu: little? :P	17:35
Raimu	Okay, massive huge improvements. :D	17:35
Raimu	But not like you can turn your n900 into a fighter jet Transformers style... yet	17:36
zammy	lol	17:58
freemangordon	Raimu: aah, that kind of improvements. yeah, correct :)	17:59
freemangordon	Raimu: BTW did you try to revert that initrd-thingie to stock version to see if it fixes BM?	18:00
freemangordon	or you can;t boot to try it	18:00
Raimu	I can't, because I didn't have a timely backup and there's no .deb to install over it.	18:00
freemangordon	Raimu: what .deb do you need?	18:01
zammy	but does maemo still have a lot of years of life?	18:02
freemangordon	zammy: accordin to some guys it is a zombie for the last 3 years :D	18:02
zammy	yes	18:02
zammy	that's the same result as you search on google about it	18:03
freemangordon	so it is already dead in that regard. though yoiu may check the threads on TMO about what is the real status	18:03
Raimu	freemangordon: The stock initrd-thingie. :)	18:06
zammy	and so what? freemangordon did I mistake buying a n900?	18:06
Raimu	Nah, depends on what you want to do with the device. :)	18:06
freemangordon	zammy: depends. if you are happy with it, then not	18:06
* n900-dk would love a 4g extension , but odds are zero :)		18:06
zammy	lol that's all?	18:06
zammy	I am happy	18:06
zammy	yes fucking happyu	18:06
freemangordon	yep, that's it	18:07
zammy	maybe a portable router for 4g?	18:07
zammy	would that work?	18:07
n900-dk	nah	18:07
freemangordon	Raimu: can't you just get it from skeiron?	18:07
freemangordon	~morrors	18:07
freemangordon	shit	18:07
freemangordon	~mirrors	18:07
infobot	hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new	18:07
zammy	then we shall wait that n900 evolves it self	18:08
zammy	like transformer	18:08
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freemangordon	Raimu: nogooglehttp://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/initrd-progs_0.81-7%2b0m5_armel.deb	18:09
Raimu	Oh, I just didn't find a place to get it from. Will try right away!	18:09
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freemangordon	Raimu: not sure this is the correct (read last stock) version, but I guess so	18:10
n900-dk	zammy: As long as you didn't buy the n900 for gaming and all the new apps, you see on android and iOS.	18:10
freemangordon	n900-dk: "all the new apps"?	18:10
freemangordon	there are newer fart apps? cool :P	18:11
Raimu	:))))	18:11
Raimu	How about that maemo sex app someone suggested on tmo	18:11
Raimu	Oh right, nobody programmed that :D	18:11
freemangordon	Raimu: honestly, I was thinking this is a real app	18:11
freemangordon	is it not?	18:11
n900-dk	well, you know - all the apps in google play and app store	18:12
Raimu	freemangordon: Reverting to stock initrd-stuff corrected everything. Confirmed.	18:12
freemangordon	ok, boo on Pali then :D	18:12
Raimu	Well, that's an easy cure for something people once again blamed cssu-thumb for.	18:12
freemangordon	Raimu: you know, never fear :P	18:12
Raimu	Yeah...	18:12
freemangordon	Raimu: though... next time... DO NOT MAKE A SYSTEM UPGRADE WITH CSSU-devel ENABLED :)	18:13
freemangordon	kerio: ^^^	18:13
kerio	why not	18:14
kerio	it's fun	18:14
Raimu	Yep! But at least I had a general ballpark idea as to what went wrong.	18:14
n900-dk	especial commercial stuff, bank, goverment apps and so on will only be developed to android and ios	18:14
freemangordon	Raimu: yep, thanks	18:14
kerio	it's not like i use backupmenu anymore, anyway	18:14
freemangordon	kerio: why not, wasn't it a "must have"?	18:14
kerio	sure, but nowadays i know how to fix shit	18:15
freemangordon	oh	18:15
kerio	and besides, it won't work correctly, i have an ext4 /home	18:15
freemangordon	I see	18:15
kerio	i should probably make some backup scripts for rescueOS though, i do that manually	18:15
kerio	perhaps i'll call it... backupOS	18:15
Raimu	los backupos	18:15
freemangordon	kerio: rescueOS can be booted from uSD, correct?	18:15
kerio	yeah	18:16
kerio	but the initrd way is much cleaner	18:16
kerio	it's just a file in /opt/boot	18:16
freemangordon	ok, that's good to know. time to install u-boot I guess	18:16
kerio	you'll have to run it manually, if you want to run it from the uSD	18:16
kerio	not sure how, i can't quite grok the uboot console	18:17
freemangordon	like "run mmcboot"?	18:17
kerio	those are pre-made configurations, but idk what they need	18:17
freemangordon	oh, wait, I don;t need u-boot, if I screw it somehow, I can just flash it	18:17
kerio	that, too	18:17
kerio	except s/flash/load/	18:17
freemangordon	yeah, that one too	18:18
xes	freemangordon: i have reflashed one N900 and i can't remember if there was a way to set the /sys/power/sr_vdd1_dsp_boost at boot	18:20
freemangordon	xes: /etc/pmconfig?	18:21
freemangordon	oh, wait	18:21
freemangordon	create a script in /etc/event.d	18:21
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freemangordon	xes: ^^^	18:21
xes	freemangordon: ok, thanks! ..but "kernel-config load" could reset it?	18:22
freemangordon	xes: it knows nothing about it. IIRC	18:23
freemangordon	I guess you should play a bti	18:23
freemangordon	bit even	18:23
xes	let's play.. ;) The problem was the usual dsp overclock and their voltages requirements not aligned with core voltage	18:24
freemangordon	yep	18:25
xes	btw, thanks!	18:25
zammy	n900-dk, what's the problem if n900 can support multiboot	18:25
zammy	and have also android	18:25
zammy	also all fart apps with google play	18:25
DocScrutinizer05	~maemo-multiboot	18:25
infobot	well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED	18:25
kerio	multiboot is a horrible concept with a horrible implementation	18:26
zammy	well seriously... I don't care... I am not the common customer who wants a fashionist mobile phone	18:26
zammy	I prefer the horrible multiboot	18:27
kerio	then you are wrong	18:27
kerio	objectively, and provably wrong	18:27
zammy	but I think... as you can add a lot of repository... you won't need to have google play	18:27
kerio	if you want to load multiple OSes, use a /bootloader/	18:27
sixwheeledbeast	zammy: avoid multi-boot/Nitdroid, if you want Android get a droid device.	18:27
n900-dk	zammy: well, it's not a problem. I never tried nitdroid, but guess you would miss a lot of features	18:28
zammy	and dualboot only?	18:28
sixwheeledbeast	boot only Maemo this is what the N900 was designed for :)	18:29
zammy	yes... I know	18:30
zammy	so I think too	18:30
kerio	multiple OSes work, just don't use multiboot	18:30
zammy	I have read a lot of google stuff regarding n900	18:30
zammy	but if tizen works...?	18:30
totalizator	how do you think - is it safe to have old N800 charging with an usb cable 24/7? as a photo frame etc.	18:30
zammy	tizen is the new open source mobile phone OS	18:31
sixwheeledbeast	zammy: wiki.maemo.org is your friend	18:31
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zammy	LOL	18:31
kerio	i thought the n800 didn't charge via usb	18:31
DocScrutinizer05	totalizator: I do that with a n810 since ~3 years	18:32
zammy	I will try some new update to tizen as soon as It will be possible	18:32
zammy	once I got tired from maemo and/or maemo is dead I will try tizen on n900	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	also what kerio said	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	(I'm using the barrel plug charger)	18:33
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totalizator	DocScrutinizer05: omg, ty! exactly what I wanted to hear	18:34
n900-dk	zammy: IF it will be possible ;) My guess is it never will	18:34
zammy	explain why please	18:35
zammy	I am waiting for it... I guess all	18:35
n900-dk	well, just my gut feeling :)	18:37
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zammy	look... I am pretty sure as long as you would be generally able to install ubuntu 12.04 on it... you can install ever tizen...	18:38
zammy	*even	18:38
n900-dk	sur, but will it work?	18:39
n900-dk	s/sur/sure/	18:39
infobot	n900-dk meant: sure, but will it work?	18:39
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sixwheeledbeast	zammy, how do you expect to link all the closed blobs together? It maybe made to sort of work, but what's the point.	18:45
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zammy	sixwheeledbeast, I don't expect anything... I am waiting for my n900 to come between my hands... then I can continue to dream after played for a while with it	18:47
kerio	how much did you pay for it?	18:48
sixwheeledbeast	dream being the operative word...	18:50
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zammy	I payed 140€	18:53
zammy	but used	18:53
kerio	sounds about right	18:54
zammy	I am glad you think that	18:54
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sixwheeledbeast	does sound ok, have you checked all the hardware?	18:57
zammy	yes all included	18:58
zammy	it's not cool like a hackerbox but it's a standard and original n900 and with all accessories inside	18:58
zammy	and I took time to make him shoot more photos to look at... before to accept the deal	18:59
sixwheeledbeast	sorry I mean the devices "features" i.e modem, ir, wifi, slider ok, not a copy etc etc	18:59
zammy	it's not fake	18:59
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zammy	it's as new	18:59
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zammy	I spent enough words...	19:00
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n900-dk	zammy: What phone will your upcoming n900 replace?	19:01
zammy	idk	19:01
zammy	I don't think it already exists	19:01
sixwheeledbeast	good, there are a good few fake copies in circulation and probably and equal amount of genuine one's with issues.	19:02
zammy	we will see	19:02
n900-dk	I meant, what phone do you hav today :)	19:02
zammy	oh...	19:02
zammy	I have a nokia 5800 xpress music	19:02
zammy	it makes a lot of stuff... really satisfiable...	19:03
zammy	customizable...	19:04
zammy	I am interested to customizable features about phones... that's my purpose on buying this n900	19:04
sixwheeledbeast	you will like Maemo then coming from a 5800	19:05
n900-dk	aha	19:05
zammy	my brother lost his own phone and so I will gift my xpress music to my bro while I will have a cool n900	19:05
zammy	I am pretty about that...	19:05
zammy	*sure	19:06
zammy	I think all ppl who buys a nokia wants the customizable stuff... instead now... since nokia has this fucking lumia with windows mobile inside... as OS WHAT THE FUCK	19:07
zammy	I am praying day and night that God will make nokia more open source and ever less windows immobilized	19:09
SpeedEvil	not in the short term at least	19:10
zammy	?	19:10
sixwheeledbeast	your not the only one there ... but yet again another dream	19:11
zammy	lol	19:11
SpeedEvil	Nokia has tied their fortunes firmly to windows	19:11
zammy	omg	19:11
SpeedEvil	however insane that may be	19:11
zammy	OMFG	19:11
SpeedEvil	#jollamobile is comprised of some of the open source people at Nokia	19:12
SpeedEvil	who are announcing hardware soon	19:12
n900-dk	soon[tm]	19:14
zammy	then no hope to get a new open source OS made for nokia... right?	19:14
zammy	samsung has its tizen	19:14
zammy	I will betray nokia for samsung in future after nokia n900 then	19:15
zammy	let's hope as later as possible	19:15
SpeedEvil	I would be surprised to see any new open source release from Nokia before someone buys it	19:15
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SpeedEvil	the fundamental problem is that the duopoly is now even further entrenched.	19:16
SpeedEvil	when the n900 came out. or when the n9 did, there were several more OSs around, not just (mostly) two	19:17
zammy	yes then smart tv too and then born the google glass so then all to focus on the fucking google/samsung company	19:18
zammy	is the opensource well payed?	19:20
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zammy	somehow I think it's all a 1984	19:20
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SpeedEvil	open source payment is a fun issue	19:28
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n900-dk	DocScrutinizer05: Yah, my gmo login now works on mo, so syncjob seems to work now, thanks to you and your tech guys! Still not able to get vote token, but guess it's because of 0 karma. I will just follow the elections from the sideline :)	19:52
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kerio	n900-dk: this election is open to all (for voting)	19:58
kerio	Woodya: ^	19:58
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n900-dk	ok, then I will have to find someone to pester with non-working get-token.php	19:59
n900-dk	I will try with an email to MC maillist	20:00
hoph0p	Hi, I remember having read on tmo that somehow it is possible to start/stop charging from the command line, just can't find it anymore. Does anyone remember any details?	20:00
hoph0p	I'm running kp52 and latest cssu-thumb, btw	20:01
Macer	ugh	20:02
Macer	this fmobi dev just pretty much "stole" my $2	20:02
Macer	with this non-functional non-maintained garbage	20:02
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* Macer will pirate from now on		20:02
Macer	lol	20:02
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DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: send a mail to council@m.o	20:08
Macer	who do you send mail to in order to have an app removed from the ovi store?	20:08
DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1338413#post1338413	20:08
DocScrutinizer05	and #1 in there	20:08
DocScrutinizer05	err, this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1334488&postcount=1	20:10
DocScrutinizer05	>>Eligibility criteria will likely remain the same as they have been, in as much as feasible. There is, however, a modifying circumstance: *.maemo.org account registration and login has been broken for months, until recently; furthermore, karma is /still/ broken, with a significant number of members missing a significant amouht of karma.<<	20:11
DocScrutinizer05	>>we think it is infeasible to manually count the karma for every user who might be eligible to vote. So unless there is a serious volunteer effort to calculate everyone's karma by hand, we will treat all maemo.org accounts older than 3 months as eligible for this election only<<	20:12
DocScrutinizer05	>>If people with newer accounts think they ought to be eligible to vote (for example, you would have registered earlier but it was impossible to do so at the time because the system was broken), please contact the Council by either responding to this message or, preferably, by emailing council@maemo.org<<	20:13
kerio	hoph0p: it's not that easy	20:15
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hoph0p	kerio: It doesn't have to be easy :)	20:16
sixwheeledbeast	Macer: don't use ovi store especially for non-free apps	20:17
kerio	either you start using bleeding edge stuff (aka, Pali's bme replacement)	20:17
DocScrutinizer05	I think you need to specify your purpose for that	20:17
Macer	sixwheeledbeast: yeah i know that now	20:17
Macer	after losing my $2	20:17
Macer	never agagin lol	20:17
kerio	or you `stop bme` and then keep spamming bq24k via i2cset, to prevent it from starting the emergency charge	20:17
Macer	then people wonder why the small devs don' tget anywhere	20:17
hoph0p	DocScrutinizer05: me?	20:17
DocScrutinizer05	yep	20:17
Macer	because they make people pay for shit they don't maintain	20:17
sixwheeledbeast	but I	20:18
sixwheeledbeast	oops	20:18
kerio	fwiw you don't really need the whole bme replacement	20:18
Macer	sixwheeledbeast: is there even anybody to complain to? can you write to nokia and have them remove fmobi from the ovi store?	20:18
DocScrutinizer05	and I don't see why you need to stop charging either	20:18
Macer	i mean it's pretty much someone selling a broken app	20:18
kerio	just stop bme, modprobe bq2415x_charger, echo off > /sys/class/power_supply/bq24150a/mode	20:19
kerio	but really, why do you need to stop charging?	20:19
DocScrutinizer05	errr	20:19
hoph0p	I have a 'battery pack' (by sistech, in case anyone wonders, sorry, no link handy atm) that doesn't charge my n900 right away	20:19
DocScrutinizer05	so?	20:19
hoph0p	so I would like to /start/ charging manually :)	20:19
DocScrutinizer05	haha	20:19
kerio	...wat	20:19
hoph0p	Or at least try if that works	20:19
DocScrutinizer05	starting != stopping	20:20
sixwheeledbeast	Macer: I don't think there maintained any more, if they are it's nothing to do with community	20:20
DocScrutinizer05	go for my simple charger script	20:20
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hoph0p	I'll try to explain	20:20
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh	20:21
Macer	sixwheeledbeast: ok. i will see if i can contact nokia	20:22
hoph0p	If I plug that batpack in the n900 sometimes detects an USB event and offers that pc suite selection dialog	20:22
sixwheeledbeast	Macer: good luck.	20:22
hoph0p	But it never actually starts charging	20:22
Macer	sixwheeledbeast: hey... better than doing nothing	20:22
Macer	and letting another gang of chumps buy a lemon app	20:22
DocScrutinizer05	that's because of that battery pack has charger signalling for iPhone	20:23
sixwheeledbeast	I agree something should be done. Go for it.	20:23
kerio	hoph0p: bme replacement or that script will allow you to "force" the charging	20:23
DocScrutinizer05	hoph0p: yep, what kerio said	20:23
kerio	which is probably what you want	20:24
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	20:24
kerio	unless your batpack complains about that	20:24
hoph0p	Now if I connect a google nexus to that pack, and then quickly remove the nexus and connect the n900 before the batpack switches itself off, it charges the n900	20:24
hoph0p	Ok, I will give it a try	20:24
kerio	sounds fun	20:25
kerio	hm, i wonder if a "dumb" cable could fix it	20:25
hoph0p	It also works if I first charge the n900 from a wall charger, then quickly switch to the batpack...	20:26
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DocScrutinizer05	battery pack switches off?	20:27
freemangordon	kerio: most probably he is using "dumb" cable, that is why it does not work	20:27
kerio	freemangordon: a "dumb" cable won't let the n900 detect anything but a short on D+-	20:27
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, your battery pack is too braindead smart	20:27
DocScrutinizer05	charging on N900 will "stop" every now and then, for a few seconds, particularly at start where it calibrates to battery state	20:28
DocScrutinizer05	if you rpack detects that as end-of-charging and switches down, too bad but not N900's fault	20:29
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DocScrutinizer05	you could use a powered USB hub and connect a second consumer to make battery pack detect load during initial phase of N900 charging	20:30
DocScrutinizer05	MEH!!	20:30
DocScrutinizer05	I hate it when they do this	20:31
DocScrutinizer05	mmph, 8 short of 4k on tmo	20:38
DocScrutinizer05	should I cool the champagne?	20:38
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n900-dk	Did any of you guys find a (new) way to make grooveshark work on the n900?	20:44
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DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: you've seen my comments about eligibility to vote, above?	20:47
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hoph0p	bloody h*ll, this wifi sucks	20:49
n900-dk	DocScrutinizer05: Yes, just follow up on the comments now. You still think I have eligibility to vote - I just created my gmo/mo account yesterday, so I don't expect to have karma	20:49
hoph0p	so, I was saying that charging works with your script, DocScrutinizer05, dunno if that came through	20:51
hoph0p	thanks a lot! :)	20:51
DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: please re-read	20:52
DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: we ignore karma	20:52
hoph0p	re: dumb cable, I'm using the nokia-supplied one for lack of a dumber one	20:52
DocScrutinizer05	we however will do some checks to rule out fake identity duplicate registrations	20:53
n900-dk	DocScrutinizer05: ok	20:53
DocScrutinizer05	so links to other maemo related locations where you showed up before would help a lot	20:54
DocScrutinizer05	e.g tmo account	20:54
DocScrutinizer05	hoph0p: nice that it works	20:54
DocScrutinizer05	hoph0p: with "dumb cable" kerio meant a cable with D+- (white and green wire) shorted	20:55
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: is it against the rules to make parents and friends register?	20:56
hoph0p	yepp, I don't have access to one here, unfortunately	20:56
DocScrutinizer05	no, but they most probably can't prove they are around for >3 months, and thus will not receive a token mail for vote	20:57
kerio	k	20:57
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: kerio: my bad then, I though "dumb cable" is the one that DON'T have D+/- connected	20:57
DocScrutinizer05	np	20:57
freemangordon	as I would name the "connected" on a "charger cable" or something	20:57
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	20:58
DocScrutinizer05	I didn't use that term, but I read it as that	20:58
hoph0p	so I guess the script will stop charging if the battery is full? What if I kill the script. Charging appears to continue...	20:59
DocScrutinizer05	no	20:59
DocScrutinizer05	it stops after 30s	20:59
DocScrutinizer05	and yes, charging stops once battery is full AND you don't have too high system power consumption	21:00
hoph0p	Ok, great	21:01
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n900-dk	DocScrutinizer05: anyway, how often will the gmo->mo user syncjob run now? Guess I should follow your advice and stick to the same username across all mo	21:01
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DocScrutinizer05	however check the script (I just don't know off top of my head), you might need to `stop bme` manually before starting script	21:01
DocScrutinizer05	sync job now runs once a day, at 2:00UTC	21:02
DocScrutinizer05	we're tweaking it still	21:02
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hoph0p	Yes, it doesn't stop bme. What if I didn't stop it manually? :)	21:04
kerio	shit would break	21:04
kerio	but not that bad	21:04
n900-dk	cool, maybe it could check for new users every ~10 mins or so, and only sync if any changes	21:04
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jacekowski	it's syncing more than just new users	21:06
sixwheeledbeast	Raimu: you beat me to it :)	21:06
sixwheeledbeast	to many are using cssu-devel as software updates... grr	21:07
DocScrutinizer05	n900-dk: that's one of the options we evaluate	21:07
DocScrutinizer05	jacekowski: good point, it also needs to run when a user joins a project	21:08
DocScrutinizer05	aka group	21:08
DocScrutinizer05	catching all those triggers on garage might get tricky, we should follow the diff approach	21:09
DocScrutinizer05	creating the csv is lightweight, diff/cmp of two csv as well	21:09
DocScrutinizer05	should catch all changes	21:10
DocScrutinizer05	monster job only runds when csv's differ	21:10
DocScrutinizer05	runs*	21:10
DocScrutinizer05	if they don't, all that's done is creating new csv (on garage, right?) and a utterly lightweight cmp	21:11
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loin	does anyone know where the sms database is stored?	21:23
Pali	loin, looks into some .rtcomm folder	21:24
Pali	it is in sqlite database	21:24
loin	i only have .rtcom-accounts	21:24
loin	which has an empty .conf file	21:25
loin	that's it	21:25
qwazix	loin, see #harmattan	21:25
qwazix	<qwazix> loin maybe try searching for tracker sparql commands	21:26
loin	thanks qwazix, didn't have much luck there :(	21:26
n900-dk	loin: you don't have /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/ ?	21:26
loin	n900-dk, nope	21:26
Pali	loin, n900 device?	21:27
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loin	Pali, n9	21:28
Pali	loin, bad channel	21:28
Pali	this is for n900	21:28
Pali	ask on #harmattan	21:28
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qwazix	I do wonder however why .rtcom-accounts is still there but empty on harmattan...	21:29
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Pali	maybe old harmattan version used some maemo rtcom libraries...	21:30
DocScrutinizer05	eventsdb?	21:30
Pali	and they forgot to remove all files/dirs	21:30
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DocScrutinizer05	ooh, bad channel	21:31
Pali	has somebody fast C function for converting uint32_t with rgb565 color to rgb888?	21:31
* DocScrutinizer05 recalls why he usually reads backscroll from bottom to top		21:31
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DocScrutinizer05	I've seen sth, plai. But that's ages ago	21:32
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DocScrutinizer05	pali*	21:32
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms893078.aspx dunno if it's useful	21:34
kerio	Pali: well, isn't it just a bit (sic!) of bit manipulation?	21:35
DocScrutinizer05	yep	21:36
Pali	kerio, it should be, but I do not know how are that bits stored in rgb565	21:36
kerio	...5 for red, 6 for green, 5 for blue?	21:36
DocScrutinizer05	yep	21:36
Pali	and order and mapping?	21:36
Pali	on input you have 5 bits and on output you have 8... so what to do?	21:37
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kerio	multiply by 8?	21:37
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Pali	what?	21:38
kerio	divide by 25, and multiply by 28	21:38
kerio	there's not really much else you can do, you only have 5 bits of information	21:38
kerio	ok, it's not precisely that actually	21:40
kerio	you should multiply by 255 and divide by 31	21:40
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kerio	Pali: http://stackoverflow.com/a/9069480	21:41
kerio	this seems fast	21:41
kerio	MUL, ADD and SHR	21:42
DocScrutinizer05	rgb888 = (redmask << 8) \| ((redmask<<3)&0x070000)	21:46
DocScrutinizer05	\o/	21:46
Pali	ok, but I have one uint16_t var	21:46
kerio	what's redmask?	21:46
DocScrutinizer05	nfc	21:46
kerio	useful!	21:46
DocScrutinizer05	sounds much like gibberish	21:46
kerio	i stand by my link	21:47
DocScrutinizer05	that is from your link, just 2 posts down	21:47
DocScrutinizer05	1	21:47
kerio	i liked to an answer	21:47
kerio	*linked	21:47
kerio	you're the one that went all "ooh i'm going to use my SCROLLBAR"	21:48
kerio	Pali: grab the most significant 5 bits	21:48
kerio	it's like v >> 11	21:48
kerio	green is v >> 5 & 63	21:49
kerio	blue is v & 31	21:49
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: use a array[65535] LUT	21:50
DocScrutinizer05	ultrafast	21:50
kerio	hahahah	21:50
DocScrutinizer05	straightforward	21:51
kerio	"ram access" and "fast" in the same phrase	21:51
kerio	you're so funny, joerg	21:51
DocScrutinizer05	well, depending on your CPU the 128k will even fit into L2 cache	21:53
DocScrutinizer05	even L1 on some CPUs	21:53
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DocScrutinizer05	~+help	22:07
infobot	I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"	22:07
infobot	37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dice, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat	22:07
infobot	39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection	22:07
infobot	33 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, translate, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf	22:07
DocScrutinizer05	~status	22:07
infobot	Since Wed Apr 10 18:42:41 2013, there have been 29 modifications, 501 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 189 commands. I have been awake for 14d 25m 10s this session, and currently reference 119038 factoids. I'm using about 24056 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3777.5/72.71 child 0.01/0	22:07
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Drathir	anyone know korean or similar languages to check this ? http://wap.st1.ucweb.com/files/UCBrowser/zh-cn/999/UCBrowser_V1.0.0.102_meego_pf59_(Build11112221).deb	22:22
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how the F to actually edit a page like http:/maemo.org		22:26
Sosica	that "zh-cn" means it's chinese... and it's meego, so try asking in #harmattan	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	particularly footer there	22:26
Sosica	^	22:26
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DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: any hints on ^^^ that?	22:31
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thedead1440	Drathir: that is a n9 browser and i remember it was released when the n9 was just out; pretty useless at that time...	22:32
DocScrutinizer05	~owner	22:32
infobot	TimRiker is my owner	22:32
DocScrutinizer05	~infobot	22:33
infobot	i guess infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker	22:33
DocScrutinizer05	~+chaninfo	22:33
infobot	125/125 channels, 5275 users, 3896 unique: #debian/1378, #kde/436, #gsoc/405, #maemo/245, #asterisk/196, #wowuidev/146, #oe/144, #meego/131, #harmattan/129, #wowace/117, #arm-netbook/114, #cubieboard/108, #utah/94, #wowhead/88, #webos-internals/85, #openmoko/71, #openmoko-cdevel/68, #bzflag/67, #tomcat/67, #uclibc/57, #maemo-ssu/53, #edev/52, #curseforge/51, #asterisk-dev/50, #htc-linux/47, #n9/46, #sc2mapster/46, #/45, #uphpu/43, #slug/31, ...	22:33
DocScrutinizer05	\o/ 4k thanks	22:34
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer05, no.	22:35
DocScrutinizer05	:-S	22:36
DocScrutinizer05	CMS, my ass	22:36
DocScrutinizer05	midgard, devil's ass	22:36
Win7Mac	CONGRATS!	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	hehe	22:38
* DocScrutinizer05 <---karmawhore		22:38
Win7Mac	LOL...	22:38
thedead1440	indeed DocScrutinizer05 compares thanks ratio like noone else :D	22:39
DocScrutinizer05	at times I been at 7/post avrg	22:39
DocScrutinizer05	warfare beats me hands down, with 10 or more	22:39
thedead1440	haha i was going to say that	22:39
thedead1440	your kitchen beat me ;)	22:39
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DocScrutinizer05	kitchen!!! makes me glare out of my kitchen window into our garden and watch my friend, neighbour, and landlord doing BBQ.	22:45
DocScrutinizer05	HUNGER!!!	22:45
sixwheeledbeast	mmm, charred chicken...	22:46
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warfare	So, get some dead meat and put it on the bbq :)	22:46
* DocScrutinizer05 still has a steak in the freezer		22:46
DocScrutinizer05	in winter I already pondered roasting it with my hot air gun	22:47
warfare	So, out with you, get some beer & steak.	22:47
DocScrutinizer05	cya o/	22:48
sixwheeledbeast	ciao	22:48
warfare	:)	22:49
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thedead1440	finally he goes :D	22:51
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: solder your steak!	22:52
Drathir	thedead1440: oh thanks for info	22:52
Drathir	lol thats must be a joke... http://wap.sh1.ucweb.com/index.php?action=PackInfo&bid=354&SESSID=s7qs76jtf7mn7ek69312mvmgd2&product=ucbrowser&lang=english&model=23208	22:53
sixwheeledbeast	he'll be back...	22:53
thedead1440	Drathir: lol	22:54
Pali	ok, now colors in text2screen should be fixed	22:55
kerio	Pali: so it was your fault!	22:55
Pali	going to push updated deb package into cssu-devel	22:55
Drathir	hrhr	22:56
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Drathir	matters its work again...	22:56
Pali	kerio, I did not know that text2screen needs as param color in rgb565 format and not in rgb888	22:56
kerio	why would that lead to backupmenu getting stuck, though?	22:57
Pali	no idea	22:58
Pali	but I saw bad colors	22:58
Drathir	how stable is thumb or devel tree?	22:58
Pali	and now colors should be same	22:58
Pali	as in orig version	22:58
kerio	Drathir: cssu-devel is not a cssu flavour	22:59
kerio	it's just a repo	22:59
kerio	it's as stable as something called "devel"	22:59
Drathir	or maybe ask that how often on devel or thumb after update device cant boot?	23:00
Drathir	or that sytuation dosnt happen?	23:00
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kerio	it happened once, that i can remember	23:05
kerio	but it was fixed shortly	23:05
kerio	*shortly afterwards	23:05
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Drathir	kerio: oh thats nice enough to check how to move to devel repository...	23:35
DocScrutinizer05	Drathir: cssu-devel is considered full of flawed stuff that is still under heavy development and generally not working	23:35
kerio	cssu devel is for internal use only	23:35
DocScrutinizer05	exactly	23:35
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: go the hell away, you have a steak to eat	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	nah, that's frozen at -22°C	23:36
kerio	EXCUSES	23:36
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thedead1440	kerio: +1	23:40
sixwheeledbeast	-22 that's one hell of a frezzer.	23:40
thedead1440	+b him :p	23:40
kerio	that's not a freezer, that's germany	23:40
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sixwheeledbeast	a BBQ in -22, no thanks.	23:42
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DocScrutinizer05	makes me recall i've seen a bottle in that freezer	23:53
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DocScrutinizer05	indeed, a forgotten bottle with a glassfull of frozen Absolut	23:54
DocScrutinizer05	cheers	23:55
kerio	oh, so the vodka is ok, but the steak is not?	23:55
kerio	:\	23:55
DocScrutinizer05	shaking it a little makes it flow out of the bottle like ketchup	23:56
thedead1440	lol	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	actually hardly 20ml	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	but tasty	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	and gone	23:57

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