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| DocScrutinizer05 | while I accept that certain form of meeting (voice etc) is mandatory for the one mandatory meeting per year or whatever, I highly doubt all meetings have to be done like that | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | only those meetings that are mandatory (like, for appointing or dismissing directors, changing bylaws, etc) also have mandatory form | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for the rest of meetings, even for those declared mandatory in own bylaws, I think any form that's not in conflict to bylaws will do | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least here in Europe you need a so called "full meeting" (with mandatory schedule like once a year) for the basic organizational stuff like electing new treasurer, director, secretary, aso. This has to be announced and be open to all members of that club or organization | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else is up to you | 01:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | night all :) | 02:11 |
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| Pali | New version 2013.04-1 of U-Boot is in Extras-Devel | 13:23 |
| Pali | see TMO thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 13:23 |
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| kerio | yay | 13:32 |
| kerio | Pali: * Do not compile U-Boot on autobuilder, but use precompiled version by my gcc 4.7 | 13:33 |
| kerio | hmm, does that mean that it's less trustworthy? :P | 13:33 |
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| Pali | autobuilder has old gcc which do not compile uboot correctly | 13:33 |
| Pali | so this is only solution how to push new working uboot to extras-devel | 13:34 |
| kerio | that's exactly what someone who's planting malicious code in uboot would say! | 13:34 |
| Pali | you can download uboot source code, compile it yourself | 13:35 |
| Pali | use compiler: gcc version 4.7.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-2ubuntu1) | 13:35 |
| Pali | gcc is deterministic, so then you should have same binary | 13:35 |
| kerio | that's exactly what someone who planted malicious code in ubuntu's gcc4.7 would say! | 13:35 |
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| Sicelo | lol kerio | 13:36 |
| Pali | then you should not use any linux distribution (also maemo), because it has same problem | 13:36 |
| Pali | :D | 13:36 |
| kerio | i think i can get as far as "that's exactly what someone who planted malicious specs in K&R C would say!" | 13:36 |
| kerio | Pali: do you have the .bin with no kernel somewhere? or do i have to unpack the bootimg deb manually? | 13:37 |
| Pali | kerio, did you hear about backdoor in kernighan C compiler? :-) | 13:37 |
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| Pali | kerio, it is in package u-boot-bootimg | 13:38 |
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| kerio | Pali: hmm, i can't disable the attachboot entry as easily anymore | 13:43 |
| kerio | oh no nvm, i suck | 13:46 |
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| kerio | Pali: how many times can i load the u-boot bootimg? :D | 15:50 |
| Pali | I do not understand... images are not protected with DRM... | 15:51 |
| kerio | no, i mean from uboot | 15:52 |
| kerio | and then load it from the loaded uboot | 15:52 |
| Pali | ah, load uboot from uboot? :D | 15:52 |
| Pali | how many you want :D | 15:52 |
| Pali | it just load image into memory and jump to start address | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gcc? deterministic? that's new | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes, at rising tide, on fridays, on same machine, you actually can get same binary from same source for two runs | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but only when you don't run akonadi on same machine during build | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 17:20 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I have removed akonadi server :D | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah good | 17:21 |
| Pali | I have my own kdepim 4.4 without akonadi and nepomuk | 17:21 |
| Pali | and kmail working :-) | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I have kdepim4.4 and it *still* needs akonadi. friggin shit | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and when akonadi has blown chunks once again, you notice the fact by finding your mail edit window freeze as soon as errr you type a mailaddr in text, or whatever | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it freezes completely then, and reproducably | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and takes whole kdepim aka kontact with it | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | akonadictl restart helps, but will render the konsole you type it in useless | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since from then on you see console spammed with diagnostic shit, despite no background job | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even better: since kdepim4.4 my update handler is borked | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | much like apt when you install procps on maemo | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly seem to get too old for that computer shit | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I feel like running a junkyard and diligently sorting spare parts in 1000s of drawers and shelf, and every now and then there comes a warning like "New update! we had to scrap all your stuff" and I end with all the pieces I sorted dumped on a huge pile unsorted to a new location. Then I start like "ummmm, *somewhere* in that pile there been a shock absorber for Toyota" | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this year I suffered from same event THREE times | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean I only have a huge amount (~500k) of emails. What do those who have a huge amount of mp3 or photos that they sorted and categorized with much effort, when there comes an update of tracker, or Kamera, or amaroK, or whatever. Will they shrug it away and start sorting stuff anew? | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (if you didn't notice: the above been a violent bashing of tracker, rendering it fubar by design for any serious usecase) | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I still can find filesytem drivers to loopmount images of my CP/M machines' disks, I CANNOT find a image viewer that knows about tracker db of just 4 years ago | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I most likely write a job in 5 bashlines, that copies my files incl dir hierarchy or whatever, from CP/M to btrfs, I can't find a converter from trackerdb1.0 to trackerdb1.2 (made up numbers) | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | those who invented the concept of obsoleting filesystem hierarchy and hiding it under a meta-hierarchy/fs created by a sql db in tracker, those gasheads ought get executed by shooting them with warm owl shit | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's like "hey, lets augment the family name on your doorplate by your birthday and hair color and size, and then we can eliminate all street names. Letters and parcels will find their way nevertheless" | 18:03 |
| Macer | wow | 18:05 |
| Macer | fmobi is still broken :-/ | 18:05 |
| Macer | last time i ever actually pay for software | 18:06 |
| Macer | reasons like that are why people sould pirate lol | 18:06 |
| Macer | it half ass worked like for a week.. then stopped working at all | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | notions like this are why software gets worse by the day, not better | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | What's fmobi? | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wordstar been more reliable, fatser, and more fun to use than any friggin wysiwyg editor like M$-Word is today | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | faster* | 18:11 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, I have my *own* patched kdepim 4.4 | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yeah, i know | 18:11 |
| Pali | :-) | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I failed at building it | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too many unmet dependencies | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too many conflicts when trying to provide the dependencies | 18:12 |
| Pali | this is because of kde... | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDA4 da shite | 18:13 |
| Pali | you can build everything from source | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KDE even | 18:13 |
| Pali | so you will have all dependences | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, or I build suse11.3 from scratch | 18:14 |
| Pali | you can use suse OBS and build all there :-) | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should think with *all* the *bashing* of friggin akonadi you can find on forums, *somebody* should've already done this | 18:15 |
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| Macer | wtf | 18:20 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: facebook client | 18:21 |
| Macer | probably the best one ever for all platforms when it actually works heh | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is facebook? | 18:45 |
| ShadowJK | is it like myspace | 18:46 |
| Macer | haha | 18:47 |
| Macer | i'd say a bit different | 18:47 |
| Macer | i'd say more like G+ :) | 18:47 |
| Macer | myspace requires that whole background and music shit | 18:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have heard it's some imaginary place on the net, where people pretend to be friends and play silly games. | 18:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 18:47 | |
| Macer | sixwheeledbeast: no.. that's world of warcraft | 18:47 |
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| Macer | facebook is more a place where i keep up with the people with whom i served in the USMC | 18:48 |
| Macer | amongst others :) | 18:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | WoW is one game not game(s) | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome, good bot | 18:48 |
| Macer | there are side games in wow | 18:48 |
| Macer | :) | 18:48 |
| Macer | i played WoW for like a couple weeks... and couldn't understand how someone could do it | 18:49 |
| Macer | it was very unexciting | 18:49 |
| Macer | i ordered a 2nd sim for my e7 so i can use it to go running :) | 18:50 |
| Macer | prepaid is awesome | 18:50 |
| Macer | i don't care what plan you can get with any carrier.. if it is an actual plan it is twice the price of 2 prepaid sims | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, facebook is very exciting - you never know when some shit happens, like a stupid applet transferring all your private data to that service, to spam others, or somebody abusing you and your account, or 13500 "friends" meet at your door for a party | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, fb > WoW | 18:52 |
| Macer | well.. there's awesome tricks to avoid that: 1. don't store your private data on fb, 2. don't use stupid applet 3. don't be an attention whore who friends a bunch of people you don't really even know | 18:52 |
| Macer | can't really blame fb for stupidity :) | 18:52 |
| Macer | thus far it has worked great to keep myself and my friends from the service in touch | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't really blame the virus malware for user stupidity either | 18:53 |
| Macer | sure.. you blame the stupid user who should have known the free shit had something attached to it :) | 18:53 |
| Macer | oh wow! bowling santa! free! | 18:53 |
| Macer | attached in this facebook viagra ad! | 18:53 |
| Macer | INSTALL NEXT NEXT NEXT FINISH | 18:54 |
| Macer | common sense issue :) | 18:54 |
| Macer | same for the fools who kept bitcoins in "online banks" and were shocked when someone stole them all | 18:54 |
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| Macer | ZOMG! that russian run online bank lost all your bitcoins?? | 18:54 |
| Macer | LIES! | 18:55 |
| kerio | Macer: online wallets are somewhat doable if you do it like MEGA, with local encryption | 18:55 |
| kerio | aka, you run a bitcoin client written in javascript | 18:55 |
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| Macer | heh... hey.. just sayingn | 18:55 |
| Macer | obviously it didn't work out then ;) | 18:56 |
| Macer | and even then.. if something goes astray and the service loses the wallet? | 18:56 |
| Macer | it's jsut poof ... gone | 18:56 |
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| kerio | yeah, online wallets are stupid | 19:05 |
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| Woody14619a | docscrutinizer05: ping | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: pong | 22:35 |
| Macer | wtf | 22:36 |
| Macer | all of a sudden my tmob signal seems to be shit | 22:36 |
| Macer | it was working fine for a while and now it drops to 2.5G in the basement or loses its signal | 22:36 |
| Macer | prepaid getting the sort end of the stick? :) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | signal doesn't test for your contract | 22:37 |
| Macer | i guess that's a fair point heh | 22:37 |
| Macer | there isn't a way for the tower to assign block a to antenna b with power c? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: I'd hope for any of the other council taking care about editing that mail template, I'm suffering burnout | 22:38 |
| kerio | Pali: is there a gadget module to do usb MTP? | 22:40 |
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| Pali | ~lart kerio | 22:43 |
| * infobot gives kerio a good seeing to | 22:43 | |
| Pali | no MTP | 22:43 |
| Pali | MTP is most stupid protocol for usb | 22:45 |
| Macer | but it's awesome for devices :) | 22:46 |
| Macer | no need to lock down storage in order to move files to | 22:47 |
| Pali | sftp subsystem via IP is event faster and better | 22:47 |
| Macer | lies! | 22:48 |
| Pali | MTP is non sense protocol, authors shouldnt touch computers anymore | 22:49 |
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| Pali | to not create worse disaster | 22:50 |
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| Pali | and ACPI is seconds | 22:51 |
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| * kerio writes a rfc for ACPI over USB MTP | 22:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | comment: GFOAD | 22:59 |
| kerio | soon, systemd will support it! mwahahaha! | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you requested for comment | 23:00 |
| wxcafe | i agree with "mtp is nonsense protocol" | 23:02 |
| wxcafe | and i laugh at "systemd will support it" | 23:02 |
| wxcafe | systemd does not support even itself | 23:03 |
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| Sicelo | ah, MTP is an M$ protocol.. | 23:27 |
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