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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 00:28 |
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| infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 | 00:28 |
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| wxcafe | hmm | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ""Words guys like woody set up as laws? Where is the referendum on that? Few days discussion on a single thread, you missed, your fault, we rule now. Big FU to the community."" FFS how dull can a single brain get? | 00:36 |
| Woody14619 | ??? | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | szopin | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi Woody14619 | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | every single word in this quote is BS | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | EVERY! SINGLE! word | 00:39 |
| RST38h | including "a""an" and "the"? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd like to anser: been this meddley selected for showing the post you had most trouble to undertsand a single word, or did you pick those sippets that would suffer maximum crippling of sense by posting them without context? | 00:42 |
| Woody14619 | Done | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still can't decide which weapon to use | 00:49 |
| RST38h | So, gentlemen, are you talking about TMO posts, of all things? | 00:50 |
| RST38h | Any reason why anyone would discuss a tmo post in a semi-decent place like this one? | 00:51 |
| Woody14619 | Because it could have an actual impact on the community? Just a thought... | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I instructed HtheB to revert his thread teardown | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the worst thing you could do to this particular thread | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since when is bickering and fighting on tmo a reason to close a thread | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | perticulrly one where really important stuff regarding community is "discussed" :-o | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly* | 00:58 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: in particular, we decided on let threads die on their own if they get offtopic far enough they get lost anyway... in this case it is gone to far 6 pages ago and fine to be closed... what I read on the last page reflects most of the offtopic discussion's continuous repeating page2page... | 01:39 |
| Woody14619 | The problem being that the last rant is by someone who doens't have a clue as to what's going on. | 01:40 |
| Woody14619 | And by closing with that, people will assume that it's correct. | 01:40 |
| Woody14619 | Had it been closed 6 posts before that, or truncated (including removing the tiny quick post I got in as a quick reply) that would be different. | 01:41 |
| chem|st | I could delete all but the starting post... | 01:42 |
| Woody14619 | Thus the reason I tend to quick-post these days.... To get something in to refute, just in case a thread closes before I can compose a well thought out reply. | 01:42 |
| chem|st | ? | 01:42 |
| chem|st | does that happen frequently? | 01:42 |
| chem|st | that is more of an issue for me | 01:42 |
| Woody14619 | I've had at least 3 times this month where I hit submit to find the thread was closed under me... so... I'm going to say yes. :) | 01:42 |
| Woody14619 | Though to be fair, those may have been the only three threads closed in the past month AFAIK. | 01:43 |
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| chem|st | Woody14619: I cut the firewood at the end for now | 01:45 |
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| Woody14619 | Thanks... Will go check in a second... browser is rebooting atm. :P Firefox V 20.0.1! Yay? | 01:46 |
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| Woody14619 | Close enough. :) | 01:47 |
| chem|st | well you cannot delete all of it | 01:48 |
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| chem|st | steam is hard to catch! | 01:48 |
| chem|st | good night! | 01:49 |
| Woody14619 | agreed. :) Thanks again. | 01:49 |
| chem|st | next time try a sane discussion with HtheB | 01:49 |
| Woody14619 | I thought I did? :( | 01:49 |
| chem|st | I will talk to him about how he closed 2morrow | 01:49 |
| chem|st | not sane enough it seems | 01:50 |
| Woody14619 | Well, to be fair, I got no notice about anything.... The only moderation comment in the thread was yours that I saw. | 01:50 |
| Woody14619 | And I did try to keep the tone civil. | 01:50 |
| chem|st | ah no I ment directly not over the thread | 01:51 |
| chem|st | after he closed it | 01:51 |
| Woody14619 | Again, I did send a PM to him. I was more confused than anything, but... Guess I'll re-read and see if my tone was off. | 01:51 |
| Woody14619 | Wasn't intentional if it was... | 01:51 |
| chem|st | new moderators need to be petted the first month until they know not to bark at night not drink from the toilet and so on... | 01:52 |
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| chem|st | *monthS | 01:52 |
| Woody14619 | lol. :) well. OK. | 01:52 |
| chem|st | both HtheB and thdead1440 get into it pretty strong at times | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | To be fair, I don't know him, so... Which is why I questioned why he close it. I was hoping for dialog honeslt. | 01:53 |
| chem|st | dead found his way around pretty fast though | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | (eg something like this) | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | I noticed. ;) | 01:53 |
| Woody14619 | Yet he still won't run for Council.... :P | 01:54 |
| chem|st | needed a slap or two and is very good help with cleaning the mess | 01:54 |
| chem|st | I am 4 years in now... ran for council with no love once (was on vacation to be honest) | 01:55 |
| Woody14619 | Well... You know.... | 01:55 |
| chem|st | got vetted for cssu and talk... | 01:55 |
| Woody14619 | There is this election coming up.... just saying.... ;) | 01:55 |
| chem|st | and essential here is "got vetted" | 01:56 |
| * Woody14619 whistles and looks around at the ceiling... | 01:56 | |
| chem|st | night! ;) | 01:57 |
| Woody14619 | night! :) | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I was a bit instructive in my post to him, though not particularly rude | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all fine with what we have now | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for the genral insanity in this whole thread | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's just the mirror of insanity in situ | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | believe it or not, this day gave me some hope | 02:25 |
| Woody14619 | how so? :) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PM | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: pingpingping p ing p i n gpi ng p ing | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | pong | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, pong | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | howdy!!! | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hi! | 07:30 |
| infobot | hi | 07:30 |
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| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: hi, is there a maemo port for "Lazors" ? | 07:56 |
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| vi__ | what thread??? | 10:25 |
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| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: hi, can you correct me if i'm using wrong repos, or i should add some extra | 10:41 |
| XATRIX | Currently i'm using this one http://www.fpaste.org/3svL/ | 10:41 |
| XATRIX | But, fremantle1.2 ovi is currently disabled | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you most probably DONT want extzras-devel enabled all the time, but since you already had... | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about ovi | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never used that | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'd guess *.maemo.nokia.com doesn't work anymore | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 10:45 |
| infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though nothing new in those repos anyway | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally all maemo.org repos should be fine again | 10:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all *.nokia.com is basically dead | 10:47 |
| XATRIX | None is updating them ? | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia didn't consider transferring that stuff to communioty, but also didn't consider supporting it further | 10:47 |
| XATRIX | Stupid position | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, nothing to update in there | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any updates to the stuff in there would rather go to cssu anyway | 10:49 |
| XATRIX | So, http://repository.maemo.org/extras is still functional ? | 10:49 |
| XATRIX | Is it a nokia's repo ? | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *.maemo.org is community now | 10:50 |
| XATRIX | Ah | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rmo | 10:50 |
| infobot | i guess rmo is repository.maemo.org | 10:50 |
| XATRIX | So, i simply has to switch of extras-devel.merlin1991.at ? | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that should work | 10:50 |
| XATRIX | I mean, you strongly advice me to switch it off | 10:51 |
| XATRIX | ? | 10:51 |
| XATRIX | How can i check, how much software i already have installed from extras-devel.merlin ? | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to switch to rmo, and I usually keep it deactivated, only enable it to install or explicitly update single packages | 10:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not easy to determine | 10:52 |
| XATRIX | Yea | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then you don't bother either | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installed is installed | 10:53 |
| XATRIX | You mean ,i can skip it right now ? | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | skip what? | 10:54 |
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| XATRIX | if i have installed software from extras-devel, i have to live with this. nothing i can do ? | 10:54 |
| XATRIX | Or what did you mean? | 10:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you could deinstall it if you don't like it | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an installed package doesn't care where from it got installed | 10:55 |
| XATRIX | Yea, but i don't know which soft. i currently have from extras-devel | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the less it cares if that repo is enabled or not | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also don't know | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I usually don't care | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I haven't even found a convenient way to tell | 10:57 |
| teotwaki | DocScrutinizer05: quite the mood today, eh? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | teotwaki: hmm? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think HAM can tell where from a particular package got installed | 10:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | apt doesn't | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | due to a silly flaw | 10:59 |
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| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: also, where can i find maemo port of Lazors ? :) | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 11:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | google? | 11:00 |
| XATRIX | It doesn't know :) | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then that doesn't exist | 11:00 |
| XATRIX | Also, where can i find any connection logs of my IM protocols | 11:00 |
| XATRIX | Currently my ICQ proto tells me "Network Error" but all the other protos work pretty well | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, no idea | 11:01 |
| XATRIX | I thinks it's a conersation plugin | 11:02 |
| XATRIX | Does it write logs somewhere | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know | 11:04 |
| XATRIX | :( | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't mean a thing, somebody else might | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also lsof and find / -mmin 30 are your frinds | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friends | 11:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on find version maybe --mmin -30 | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you used your IM during last 30 minutes | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course this find invocation will most likely find other files as well which are being changed during last 30 minutes, but one of those files it finds is your IM log, if there exists such log at all. You might need to change parameters of the IM plugin to enable logging though | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if yu just want to debug a connectivity problem, other tools/means come to mind: tshark, strace | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | netstat | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google ;-) | 11:16 |
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| chem|st | Woody14619: starting a text with 'Uhm.. Really?' is like saying 'are you stupid or what?' | 12:22 |
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| Pali | New kernel-power v52 TMO thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89823 | 15:03 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: cool | 15:23 |
| Pali | I did not have time for it earlier | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Rob going completely nuts now, he changed the password of HiFo content management to lock out the other two of BoD and HiFo communication officer | 15:48 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :( | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I got some PM info wrong. He changed password but at least shared it to CO | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless his answer to Kurt H Maier on community ML is absolutely devastating | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, that's not something that can be clearly attributed. | 15:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Given he gave me the password when I asked for it. | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | "...there is currently no special election for Board of Directors despite that some people have claimed that there was> | 16:01 |
| freemangordon | WTF? | 16:02 |
| freemangordon | though... that could make sense | 16:02 |
| freemangordon | if MCC != HFC | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm even more concerned about the other assumptions/proposals/prognoses he makes there | 16:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | That is how he believes it is | 16:03 |
| freemangordon | well, I guess we shold wait for BoD meeting to be held | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and the fact that he believes that can't change, not even by the smallest possibility, and that he thinks he knows about future rules, makes me really biased against him | 16:05 |
| freemangordon | *should | 16:05 |
| freemangordon | GeneralAntilles: the probem as I see it is that he has obsessed BoD and acts like he is the one to have the final saying | 16:07 |
| freemangordon | damn RD, problem even | 16:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | freemangordon, yes, there's a bit of a power trip going on there. | 16:07 |
| freemangordon | which makes me wonder what is all that about | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's all about a patent lawyer showing off | 16:08 |
| freemangordon | I doubt this is based on "believings" only | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | have you read the meeting minutes of 8th Dec? The passage about "appointing MCC"? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's as fuzzy as it can get | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to read it in a way that would imply MCC!=HFC, I failed | 16:13 |
| thedead1440 | simple; ask ivan and tim to write what they meant when they were doing the appointment of MCC | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go out of my kitchen! ;-P | 16:14 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 16:14 |
| thedead1440 | the thing everybody fails to notice is rob is fighting on aspects decided by tim and/or ivan and neither of those 2 are being held accountable | 16:15 |
| freemangordon | hmm, yep, sounds sane | 16:15 |
| thedead1440 | ask them to appear on this friday's bod meeting and say what they meant; if they say yeah we meant MCC=HFC; case closed | 16:15 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: those meetings are "closed source" afaik | 16:16 |
| thedead1440 | freemangordon: nah open source ;) | 16:16 |
| freemangordon | hmm, since when? | 16:16 |
| thedead1440 | from this friday | 16:16 |
| freemangordon | ok :) | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Rob also claims >alas there's no defined way how HFC gets appointed<< (OWTTE) - dang, how could that happen, Rob?? Weren't YOU the lawyer supposed to prrofread the bylaws and spot and extinguish such flaws? | 16:17 |
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| thedead1440 | more people should appear during the meeting and grill rob; the same 3-5 people chasing him makes it a coup... more community members chasing him makes him look like holding community to his hostage | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which in my book he does anyway | 16:18 |
| freemangordon | is it IRC meeting or voice? | 16:18 |
| thedead1440 | voice, audio + chat | 16:18 |
| freemangordon | hmm, ok | 16:18 |
| freemangordon | thedead1440: i'll ping you tomorrow for the details :P | 16:18 |
| thedead1440 | http://www.concert-oh.com/web/public-meeting/E3sJqat_KIZceQ3pY2-AvA== | 16:19 |
| thedead1440 | why wait till tomorrow ;) | 16:19 |
| freemangordon | I'll lose the address till then :D | 16:19 |
| thedead1440 | hehe ok | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, we *could* do this (ask Tim and Ivan), or BoD simply decides tomorrow to appoint MCC==HFC (again) | 16:20 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: preferred solution is to ask tim and ivan before tomorrow for confirmation and get this officially stated in the meeting | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same time settling the argument, fixing a perceived by Rob flaw in bylaws and finnally listening to community and moving HiFo forward | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I don't think so | 16:21 |
| thedead1440 | i know neither tim or ivan well otherwise i would have badgered them for a confirmation of mcc=hfc long ago | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what they thought they decided, what's needed and in spirit of bylaws fathers is MCC==HFC | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody really wants to decide who's been right or wrong in this dispute | 16:22 |
| thedead1440 | yes Doc but that is made infinitely easier when the directors who voted this speak up and confirm it. | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 16:23 |
| thedead1440 | because Rob wasn't a director then and these two directors appointed MCC | 16:23 |
| thedead1440 | if they say we meant it as MCC=HFC; there is nothing Rob can do to prove otherwise as those decisions were made officially before | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the decision isn't a mandatory unanimous one, and Rob still accepts Jim and Woody as regular BoD members (he better did, or he needs to sue himself for pulling them in) | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: and if they don't? | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then we're back to my approach | 16:25 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: if they say MCC=!HFC then yes you have to get an appointment done tomorrow. | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno when exactly Rob got appointed for BoD, anyway he's the third on list of attendants | 16:26 |
| thedead1440 | Rob got appointed after Texrat left | 16:26 |
| thedead1440 | have a link to the 8/12/12 minutes? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if that's the case (Ron=BoD at 8, Dec) then we again had 2 vs one when he didn't think that's been mmc==hfc | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://hildonfoundation.org/board-minutes-for-meeting-on-december-8th-2012/ | 16:27 |
| thedead1440 | Texrat resigns but Rob not appointed as of 8/12/12 | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still this introduces 2 more variables (Tim and Ivan) while finally might result in partially same procedure | 16:29 |
| thedead1440 | do what you think is right; i'm not going to argue legal stuff that is not going anywhere. I chimed in with a blind-spot in discussions so far only. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even if it doesn't result in same procedure since they say it was meant for HFC, then this way is not any shorter or easier than the other | 16:29 |
| thedead1440 | we can discuss things hypothetically when its bloody simple to send and email each to tim and ivan for a yes/no answer and path forward is clearer. | 16:30 |
| thedead1440 | an* | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, as much as I try to do what community wants, I'm not the one pushing for HFC. If woody and Jim have a plan then they shall sort it out tomorrow, if not then I'll not step up to do their job | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe Woody is right and mmc==hfc been decided in an even earlier meeting already | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even before any of regular BoD been appointed | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | after all Woody introduced the concept of HFC and elections into bylaws, and aiui he been one of the pre-official founding members of HiFo | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SD69 never been very happy with community having a saying in anything, maybe he never felt like this part of bylaws was worth his valued review | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now he claims it's flawed in bylaws and thus he can't execute it. Sounds coherent to me | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, in the end it's been last term's COUNCIL that established the HiFo, together with other volunteers | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but whatever been intended, it seems obvious that majority of community mebers thought we won't have a THIRD entity/SECOND council. So even if the bylaws are fuzzy or flawed, the only right thing to do is: current BoD appoints mcc==hfc | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | forget what's been intended in the past in bylaws, ask what's *possible* to do now about it in accordance with those bylaws | 16:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to implement what's obviously the notion and intent of vast majority of community members | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | most funny part in Rob's chain of argumentation (aiui) is: there's no HFC. There are no rules for elections. There is no word in the bylaws how to install a HFC. The rules for elections are to be set up by HFC, according to bylaws. So we're in a deadlock that only BoD can break, we'll do this by appointing a HFC any way and any time we (err *I*) like | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he's perverting the meaning and reason for having a HFC: to shoot down BoD when they don't behave.That's like Berlusconi firing all judges and thus refusing to ever go to court, since nobody except him can appoint new judges | 17:00 |
| kerio | that's not exactly what happens in italy | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I know | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't say it was an example completely taken from reality | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in Hungary however that seems to be pretty exactly what happened lately | 17:03 |
| thedead1440 | careful on your terminology Doc; you are running into a quagmire by implying HiFo = HiFo BoD and not HiFo BoD or HiFo Council | 17:03 |
| thedead1440 | as council member you are actually going to just end up doing the same thing you castigated MT for in the last metting... | 17:03 |
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| thedead1440 | ...and qwazix to the rescue :) | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh well, I see what you meant | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if it wasn't for all the community mebers asking, begging, even blackmailing me to continue my work, I had resigned weeks ago | 17:16 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: It is appreciated. | 17:24 |
| thedead1440 | and how is your statement related to anything except to glorify your ego? Doc you are a good man whose work is appreciated so don't be a reverse-Rob who needs to show his importance to events when proven less than 100% accurate. I say this to you because i know you usually mean well. unhappy? Then +q me. | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I just have my desperate 5 minutes. Rob's mails and posts always have that effect on me | 17:25 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in short: I'm pissed | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since I suspect "the other party" feels joy from those silly games | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's kinda like beating a masochist. It's not satisfying since you're always playing the other one's game | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | masochist: "beat me, please beat me!" Sadist: "NOOOOOO! haha" | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | now s/beat/torture/ | 17:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 needs a looong walk in the park | 17:32 | |
| thedead1440 | go for it then | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah. Do you know that feeling? sometimes I feel like ssh root@* killall -SIGSTOP -r '.*' | 17:45 |
| kerio | we're lucky ssh doesn't work like that, then :P | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I have other means, but feeling like != actually doing it | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys ZIP | 18:01 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'ZIP' by key (21 of 42422): zip 11717 ;; zip 13659 ;; zip 14777 ;; zip 14975 ;; zip 18438 ;; zip 24473 ;; zip 27501 ;; zip 33537 ;; zip 34642 ;; zip 45343 ;; zip 47703 ;; zip 4985 ;; zip 51022 ;; zip 5152 ;; zip 54129 ;; zip 56687 ;; zip 64853 ;; zip 66854 ;; zip 74136 ;; zip 75294 ;; zip 77580. | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you know how many times a felt tempted to ~forget *ZIP*, and didn't do it because Tim asked me not to go too leete with regex factoid editing | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ a / I / | 18:03 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: do you know how many times I felt tempted to ~forget *ZIP*, and didn't do it because Tim asked me not to go too leete with regex factoid editing | 18:03 |
| kerio | hold on, are there no backups? | 18:05 |
| kerio | dammit i want to do a ~forget * so much | 18:07 |
| n900-dk | How come 'apt-get update' output, and log from HAM update isn't the same? | 18:08 |
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| n900-dk | http://pastebin.com/M2dkuNah | 18:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ~ping | 19:06 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~botsnack | 19:07 |
| infobot | thanks, sixwheeledbeast | 19:07 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, wiki is as fast as a snail :( | 19:22 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | deja vu. snail==wiki. http://www.snail-world.com | 19:25 |
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| rumba | hi | 21:11 |
| rumba | la | 21:12 |
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| n900-dk | How come http://maemo.org is never updated with news and announcements? | 21:19 |
| n900-dk | All the election stuff and server news should popup right into my face | 21:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | n900-dk: because nobody has been able to login for a good while. I think the big plan is to get back to using m.o more. | 21:27 |
| n900-dk | isn't it like 3 weeks now, where community has been in charge? | 21:31 |
| n900-dk | we can't expect people to see the election announcement on tmo | 21:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | n900-dk: there are still lots of things to fix and monitor infra wise. Which Doc is doing a fine job of coordinating ;) | 21:34 |
| n900-dk | Yes,I'm sure he is, but I just think m.o. is the maemo communitys face to the outside - and to me it seems dead for years | 21:37 |
| n900-dk | and it makes me sad | 21:37 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | extras downloads counter has been stuck since 20121209 :( http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: there are several jobs that don't run yet, I guess | 22:04 |
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| Pali | NIN101: ping | 22:27 |
| NIN101 | Pali: pong | 22:27 |
| Pali | NIN101: what do you think about rescueos image in some extras-devel package for uboot support? | 22:27 |
| Pali | new version of uboot (which will be released soon) will have ext2/3/4 support so kernel and initfs images can be loaded from emmc optfs | 22:28 |
| Pali | I think that having rescueos entry in uboot could be usefull and storing it via apt/dpkg to /opt is better then to /boot (which is on rootfs) | 22:30 |
| NIN101 | I haven't played around with uboot much, I don't know what to think. As you know, I am not very active anymore, which means I am not going to do it. If others want to do it, they are welcome to of course. | 22:31 |
| Pali | with new version of uboot it is possible and I can do needed packaging | 22:32 |
| NIN101 | you don't need my permission as every component is open source. | 22:32 |
| NIN101 | and my few little scripts too. | 22:32 |
| Pali | NIN101, uboot can load any kernel & initfs image before starting maemo/rootfs | 22:33 |
| Pali | I'm just asking what do you think about it? | 22:33 |
| kerio | Pali: rescueos-bootimg that installs in /opt/boot? | 22:33 |
| Pali | kerio, yes | 22:33 |
| kerio | meh, i already have that :P | 22:33 |
| Pali | me too :-) | 22:33 |
| Pali | but it is not in extras-devel so not easy to distribute for end users | 22:34 |
| NIN101 | the main idea of rescueos that you don't need anything preinstalled to boot it. but what you describe at least sounds nice and useful. | 22:34 |
| kerio | oh, it's actually amazing as an on-device thing | 22:34 |
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| NIN101 | thx :-). | 22:39 |
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| n900-dk | should I run apt-get upgrade?: | 23:00 |
| n900-dk | following packages have been kept back: | 23:00 |
| n900-dk | libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6 | 23:00 |
| n900-dk | The following packages will be upgraded: | 23:00 |
| n900-dk | gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg libpurple0 libzbar0 python-location python-protobuf | 23:00 |
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| Macer | hey | 23:05 |
| Macer | got my 32GB SD from amazon finally heh | 23:05 |
| Macer | nice | 23:06 |
| Macer | c10 :) | 23:06 |
| Macer | let me run off and throw music and stuff on it | 23:06 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ah, Macer did you sort the camera issue out? Was is the user-dir file? | 23:12 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sysop's: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89831 "Problem with git push to Garage" | 23:30 |
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| Macer | sixwheeledbeast: yes | 23:43 |
| Macer | sorry... was doing stuff | 23:44 |
| Macer | but yes it was the dirs file | 23:44 |
| Macer | i didn't even have one which was odd | 23:44 |
| Macer | i have to decide on what to do with the internal storage heh | 23:44 |
| Macer | since i have a 64GB N900 now (2x32GB) | 23:44 |
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| Macer | i was just thinking of keeping movies/shows on the internal storage since i don't change that stuff much anyways | 23:45 |
| Macer | but now i have to start encoding stuff that will actually play on the n900 heh | 23:45 |
| Macer | i don't even know the best settings to use have to figure that out | 23:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Macer: kk, it has been known before that the file could be missing but noone has yet to workout why. | 23:45 |
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| * sixwheeledbeast has a 96GB N900 | 23:46 | |
| Macer | 96? | 23:47 |
| Macer | did you use a thumb drive in the usb port or something? heh | 23:47 |
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| Macer | how can i get the obex to access the SD? | 23:47 |
| Macer | it seems to only send you to the internal storage | 23:47 |
| kerio | 32 gb of internal storage and a 64gb usd? | 23:47 |
| eccerr0r | I just have a 16G microsd in my n900, and I really have no use for it :\ | 23:48 |
| kerio | Macer: make a symlink in ~/.obex-root | 23:48 |
| Macer | kerio: ah ok | 23:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well minus two 800mb swap spaces (64GB uSD+32GB eMMC) | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: rescueos is meant to crank up a system from scratch, so it doesn't basically matter what it uses, as long as the system is as close to standard os as possible | 23:48 |
| Macer | sixwheeledbeast: i didn't think ther were 64GB SDHC | 23:48 |
| Macer | and that SDXC doesn't work | 23:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: huge problem: no recent mtd-utils :( | 23:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | SDXC and they work | 23:49 |
| Macer | wow really?? | 23:49 |
| Macer | if i knew that i'd have gotten a 64GB sd lol | 23:49 |
| Macer | i got the 32 because i just assumed the sdxc wasn't compatible | 23:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Macer: you should of asked :P | 23:49 |
| Macer | haha.. yeah i guess so | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they shuld be backward compatible, but might fail for capacities >(iirc)64GB | 23:50 |
| eccerr0r | hmm... i should swap to my 16G card... | 23:50 |
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| Macer | i have an 8GB for nemo testing heh | 23:50 |
| Macer | speaking of which i should try nemo out.. there were a few bugs they said they fixed as far as an n900 goes | 23:51 |
| Macer | i've been testing it out on my broke modem n900 | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though afaik SDXC introduces a new faster interface spec, they should support old interface as well. Alas old interface hits its limits somewhere around 64GB addr space afaik | 23:51 |
| Pali | on TMO more users wrote that 64GB SDXC working fine wih n900... | 23:52 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I updated the wiki a while ago http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards | 23:52 |
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| Pali | only needs to remove that stupid exfat.... | 23:52 |
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| kerio | is there a good exfat driver for linux? | 23:52 |
| Pali | kerio, yes | 23:54 |
| Pali | ther is very good driver for linux :-) | 23:54 |
| Pali | and faster then MS driver | 23:54 |
| Pali | it has two problems: driver is proprietary and cost too much | 23:54 |
| kerio | i meant a real driver | 23:55 |
| Pali | this is real kernel driver | 23:55 |
| Pali | created by tuxera | 23:55 |
| kerio | isn't that FUSE? | 23:56 |
| Pali | (those who created also very fast kernel ntfs driver - again too expensive) | 23:56 |
| Pali | no | 23:56 |
| Pali | it is real kernel driver | 23:56 |
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| kerio | also, real = available as a compile option in the kernel from github.com/torvalds/linux | 23:56 |
| kerio | :) | 23:56 |
| Pali | http://www.tuxera.com/products/tuxera-exfat-embedded/key-features/ | 23:57 |
| Pali | kerio, there is some free oss fuse extfat driver | 23:57 |
| Pali | but very very slow | 23:57 |
| Pali | so not very usable | 23:58 |
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