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| raid_ | i can't install that, i'm missing the dependencies | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | SDK or tools repo, I'd guess | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly SDK | 00:10 |
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| raid_ | oh ofc | 00:17 |
| raid_ | i forgot the sdk was its own repo | 00:17 |
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| RiD | hey | 00:59 |
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| RiD | how likely it is for a N900 to be hardware damaged if it only shows up to NOKIA screen (doesn't show dots) | 01:01 |
| RiD | I guess it would be quite rare, right? (no, my n900 does not have that problem. I'm looking for 2nd handed ones in my country) | 01:01 |
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| kerio | RiD: not a common hw problem, no | 01:02 |
| RiD | Ok, thanks | 01:04 |
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| RiD | Also, there's one that says Bluetooth and Wireless does not work | 01:04 |
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| kerio | hmm... | 01:04 |
| kerio | hw problem, or borked CAL | 01:04 |
| RiD | that one is quite in pristine condition, apart from that | 01:05 |
| kerio | "pristine" | 01:06 |
| RiD | shhhh | 01:06 |
| RiD | bad word XD | 01:06 |
| kerio | nonworking bluetooth happens if you bork CAL in some way | 01:07 |
| RiD | I e-mailed him asking if it stopped working after an update | 01:07 |
| kerio | but wifi+bluetooth is probably a hw problem, they're the same chip | 01:07 |
| RiD | i might just try to negotiate with another one where it says everything works, just some scratches | 01:09 |
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| raid_ | what package is autoreconf in? i can't install apt-file right now | 01:17 |
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| raid_ | can someone type apt-file search autoreconf? | 01:19 |
| rikanee | I'm pretty sure autoreconf is part of autoconf. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm ptrtty sure I nrver used apt-file | 01:25 |
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| GI_Jack | found the problem | 01:28 |
| GI_Jack | maemo5 doesn't like ifupdown it needs the busybox version | 01:29 |
| GI_Jack | ugg | 01:29 |
| GI_Jack | for the same reason it can't use bash and coreutils as the default shell | 01:29 |
| GI_Jack | ugg | 01:29 |
| GI_Jack | maemo 5 is indeed put together with some ugly hacks | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~jrtools | 01:33 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 01:33 |
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| raid_ | i get the error 'file not found' when trying to run '/usr/bin/autoreconf' | 01:40 |
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| raid_ | i copy the file to the current directory and try to run and i get the same error message | 01:40 |
| raid_ | 'file autoreconf' also says 'file not found' | 01:41 |
| raid_ | what's going on | 01:41 |
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| raid_ | i traced it to a problem with perl | 01:57 |
| raid_ | file isn't installed. it said 'file not found' as in file the program | 01:57 |
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| raid_ | i don't remember what you have to do to get autoconf to run with perl | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 02:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: thanks | 02:41 |
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| raid_ | /usr/bin/autoreconf expects perl to be in /scratchbox/tools/bin/ | 02:50 |
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| raid_ | if i can't get 2-factor auth working on the n900, then it might be finally over | 04:53 |
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| raid_ | any recommendations on phones? | 04:53 |
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| bef0rd | uhm | 04:57 |
| bef0rd | didn't you get it working last week? | 04:57 |
| bef0rd | and documented it on TMO? | 04:58 |
| raid_ | it's not working anymore | 04:58 |
| bef0rd | oh :/ | 04:58 |
| raid_ | neither is the example that guy posted on the thread | 04:58 |
| raid_ | it might work for google, but not for other sites | 04:58 |
| raid_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1334927#post1334927 | 04:59 |
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| vi__ | who here can speak Italian? | 10:47 |
| vi__ | kerio: You are Italian right? | 10:47 |
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| GNUtoo-N71JQ | hi, where do I find the official images for the n900 for reflashing it | 11:38 |
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| GNUtoo-N71JQ | it's been months that I asked | 11:41 |
| GNUtoo-N71JQ | I was told to come back later | 11:41 |
| GNUtoo-N71JQ | because there is something like nokia to community infrastructure migration | 11:42 |
| GNUtoo-N71JQ | I'm back | 11:42 |
| GNUtoo-N71JQ | maybe the address changed? | 11:42 |
| vi__ | I have no idea. I kept my own copies so I would never be stuck without. | 11:43 |
| GNUtoo-N71JQ | ok | 11:43 |
| fizzie | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ is I think the mirror I've seen people talk about on channel. | 11:44 |
| fizzie | (That's the sum total of my knowledge about the topic.) | 11:44 |
| GNUtoo-N71JQ | thanks a lot | 11:44 |
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| Macer | hello | 15:01 |
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| Macer | anybody know of some good bug tracking style software that can be modified for industrial health and safety issues? | 15:50 |
| r00t|home | on maemo?! | 15:51 |
| rikanee | r00t|home: Well, don't let platform support stop him for using it for SCADA! | 15:52 |
| rikanee | Isn't bugzilla a good candidate? | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | Macer: flyspray? | 15:52 |
| Macer | i guess | 15:53 |
| Macer | i just need something that can be modified enough as to make custom areas :) | 15:53 |
| Macer | but i guess any its would do huh? | 15:53 |
| jacekowski | flyspray is great | 15:53 |
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| vi__ | Hey | 16:30 |
| vi__ | Is there some kind of alternative to m$ visual studio? | 16:30 |
| Cor-Ai | no | 16:30 |
| Cor-Ai | :D | 16:30 |
| Cor-Ai | not this window i wantede! sry! dont mind me! | 16:30 |
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| rikanee | vi__: Eclipse (lol) | 16:34 |
| Pali | ccxCZ: ping | 16:39 |
| Pali | vi__: Qt Creator | 16:39 |
| Pali | vi__: or KDevelop | 16:39 |
| Pali | vi__: or vim + makefile + gcc + gdb + valgrind (but only for linux) :-) | 16:39 |
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| Pali | ccxCZ: that 0xFFFF bug which you reported is fixed now (in git) | 16:52 |
| Pali | I was able to debug and it | 16:53 |
| Pali | if there are no other reported bugs I will release new version of 0xFFFF which will be stable | 16:53 |
| ccxCZ | Pali: pong | 16:58 |
| ccxCZ | nice | 16:58 |
| Pali | are you going to test 0xFFFF? | 16:59 |
| ccxCZ | just got my external charger this weekend, so I might try again :-) | 16:59 |
| ccxCZ | first I'll have to debug why /dev/usb doesn't show on my laptop though | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | it shouldn't | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | there is no /dev/usb | 17:00 |
| Pali | there is /dev/bus/usb/ | 17:01 |
| ccxCZ | yeah, that's the one | 17:01 |
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| rikanee | Pali: only dependency of 0xFFFF is libusb, right? | 17:01 |
| ccxCZ | replacement for older thing in sysfs iirc | 17:01 |
| Pali | rikanee, yes (gnu libc and gcc too...) | 17:02 |
| Pali | ccxCZ, it was somewhere in /proc/ | 17:03 |
| Pali | maybe you have broken udev | 17:03 |
| rikanee | ah. I'll try to build a static version for ARMel, and see if I can flash N900 from Android device (or even from iOS devices) | 17:03 |
| ccxCZ | maybe I have no udev :-) | 17:03 |
| Pali | rikanee, you should be able to do it | 17:03 |
| ccxCZ | been a while since I've tackled it so I forgot the proper paths | 17:03 |
| Pali | but I did not tested it | 17:03 |
| ccxCZ | but my other pc with the pretty much same userspace works, so I blame the kernel config | 17:04 |
| Pali | ccxCZ, then you need to create character devices yourself | 17:04 |
| ccxCZ | mdev on both machines, same config, should be at least | 17:05 |
| Pali | see if you have usb devices in /sys/bus/usb/devices/ | 17:05 |
| Pali | for each device entry there should be "dev" file | 17:05 |
| Pali | where is "major:minor" | 17:06 |
| Pali | which means major and minor number for character device in /dev/bus/usb | 17:06 |
| ccxCZ | yup, it's there | 17:07 |
| Pali | rikanee, 0xFFFF needs old (legacy) version of libusb, not version 1.0 | 17:07 |
| Pali | ccxCZ, so then mdev did not created character devices... | 17:07 |
| rikanee | Pali: ah, thanks for the heads-up. I was wondering why it didn't work on Archlinux. | 17:07 |
| ccxCZ | yeah, it's pretty weird | 17:07 |
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| Pali | rikanee, Skry already created 0xFFFF package in arch repository | 17:08 |
| ccxCZ | I need to set up some proper logging on the kernel hotplug handler | 17:08 |
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| Pali | rikanee, you need arch package libusb-compat | 17:09 |
| rikanee | Got it. I thought the new libusb (libusbx?) was plain compatible with the old one. | 17:09 |
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| Pali | no, new libusb 1.0 is incompatible with old libusb | 17:10 |
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| Pali | libusbx should be compatible with libusb 1.0 (but again not with old libusb) | 17:11 |
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| jacekowski | that's the thing you love about linux | 17:11 |
| jacekowski | everything is incompatible | 17:11 |
| Pali | jacekowski, where is problem? | 17:12 |
| Pali | new libusb has another name | 17:12 |
| Pali | new libusb has new interface | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | but libusb 1.0 is incompatible with older versions | 17:12 |
| Pali | so you can have both libraries in system | 17:12 |
| Pali | jacekowski, old and new libusb are different implementation of userspace usb access | 17:13 |
| Pali | new libusb has cleaned api | 17:14 |
| Pali | I think this was good step. create new library which will have fixed API & ABI and rename it | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | incompatible API | 17:14 |
| jacekowski | no it wasn't | 17:14 |
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| jacekowski | it worked and now you have two incompatible implementations of same thing | 17:15 |
| Pali | and what will be better? using hacks in *new* applications because old libusb has some problems? | 17:15 |
| Pali | then we will have new windows | 17:16 |
| Pali | compatible with 16bit systems with all stupid winapi functions which have lot of deprecated arguments... | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | s/new\ windows/operating\ system\ that\ has\ most\ of\ the\ marketshare/ | 17:18 |
| rikanee | Pali: half the system is wasted on wrapper functions ;) | 17:18 |
| rikanee | There are actually just a handful of real DLL files needed by Windows itself, they're named "api-ms-win-something-something.dll", the rest is layers upon layers of compatibility hacks. | 17:19 |
| Pali | plus wrappers for other languages and VM... | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: full ack | 17:30 |
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| vi__ | looks like I am using visual studio. The company would rather pay £800 to 'keep everything the same' than use something else. | 17:34 |
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| ccxCZ | at least there's vi mode for visual studio :-) | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 17:46 |
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| rikanee | vi__, are you at least using VS 2008? | 17:51 |
| rikanee | 2010 and newer are slow as dog shit. | 17:52 |
| Pali | visual studio nor any other MS application does not have valgrind support | 18:01 |
| Pali | or application with valgrind features | 18:01 |
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| vi__ | I just downloaded visual studio c# express 2012. | 18:08 |
| vi__ | We shall see how this goes. | 18:08 |
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| vi__ | Who is a cheap courier service to get something shipped from germany to the UK? | 18:14 |
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| r00t|home | vi__: dhl? ;) | 18:20 |
| vi__ | TNT, 27euro. | 18:23 |
| vi__ | mmm | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I used M$-VS last time ~2000 and it wasn't that bad, for editor etc | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (ok, this been for VB. No comments please!) | 18:28 |
| vi__ | But I am able to send parcels TO Germany for only 15euro. What T F Germany? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wheep a bit | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -h | 18:29 |
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| r00t|home | vi__: what's the size/weigt.... | 18:30 |
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| r00t|home | *weight... | 18:30 |
| vi__ | 65*15*15cm @6kg | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF UK - maybe the customs there are way more demanding | 18:30 |
| vi__ | It is widely known our customs and exercise are complete bastards. | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shipping a parcel isn't like a math algo that you can reverse | 18:31 |
| vi__ | A one way hash! | 18:31 |
| vi__ | UK customs will open your shit, charge you an extra 20%. The post office will pay this then have you pay £10 for the service. | 18:32 |
| vi__ | cost of your stuff+20%+£10. | 18:33 |
| r00t|home | <vi__> 65*15*15cm @6kg <--- 20eur with dhl... | 18:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, got a friend that had a yoshi full system shipped from states and had the 20% sting. Still cheaper than buying in UK tho. | 18:34 |
| r00t|home | if it was 60cm and 5kg, 15eur | 18:34 |
| r00t|home | vi__: http://www.dhl.de/en/paket/pakete-versenden/weltweit-versenden/paket.html | 18:35 |
| vi__ | eh? | 18:35 |
| vi__ | according to dhl uk site it is £80. | 18:35 |
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| vi__ | Are you sure that is a Germany -> Uk parcel? | 18:36 |
| r00t|home | 80 pounds would be like max weight and size to some 3rd world country | 18:36 |
| r00t|home | the page i linked is in english | 18:36 |
| vi__ | I am reading it now. It is served from dhl.de. There appears to be no dhl.co.uk equivalent. | 18:37 |
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| r00t|home | i wasn't even serious about suggesting dhl... it's just what you get if you go to the post office here | 18:38 |
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| vi__ | It looks to be the cheapest so far, good suggestion. | 18:39 |
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| vi__ | The actual shock is only 40cm long. | 18:41 |
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| vi__ | They should be able to wrap it <60cm | 18:42 |
| r00t|home | weight has to be <=5kg too to get into the cheaper class | 18:42 |
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| vi__ | it is only 5euro more. | 18:43 |
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| r00t|home | vi__: it seems that dhl outside of germany only does express deliveries or business customers... which would be why it's so expensive on dhl.co.uk | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ordering a DE->UK shipment in DE is probably much cheaper than ordering same stuff from UK | 18:57 |
| r00t|home | dhl's biggest competitor for private shipping inside germany... will ship to uk for 1eur less: https://www.myhermes.de/wps/portal/paket/Home/privatkunden/preise/paket ("Internationaler Versand") | 18:57 |
| vi__ | aaah, hermes. | 18:57 |
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| r00t|home | DocScrutinizer05: that too... and normally nobody would do the reverse anyway | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ordering from UK was like "instruct UK parcel service to pick up at foreign location" | 18:57 |
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| vi__ | Time to take chem|st up on his offer to assist with a DE purchase! | 18:58 |
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| r00t|home | indeed... all germans, hide! | 18:59 |
| r00t|home | <-- hides | 18:59 |
| vi__ | too late! | 18:59 |
| vi__ | I have your number now! | 19:00 |
| r00t|home | IP number, eh? | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ever heard of VoIP? ;-P | 19:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 glares at his PC's speaker, waiting for it to start shouting commands | 19:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a unrelated sidenote: ISDN actually allws very finegrained remote control of each particular subsystem of your "phone", like microphone, speaker, earpiece, display... | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allows* (I've heard) | 19:03 |
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| kerio | vi__: i am italian, and i was also at the uni | 21:17 |
| kerio | what do you need to be translated? | 21:17 |
| kerio | and in which direction? | 21:17 |
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