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| Creteil | hi all | 00:40 |
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| Creteil | just made an apt-get upgrade on my N900, new cssu kernel was installed, but no trace of the new kernel in the multiboot menu ... | 00:41 |
| Creteil | any idea ? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: for all I know the Logitech unifying series are capable to use normal bluetooth, so no need for any such stuff like hostmode or that dongle, just pair your mouse and kbd to the N900 bt | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I could test that with my MX5500 kbd I have collecting dust here, if I had some time to do it...) | 00:44 |
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| RiD | wait what | 00:49 |
| RiD | i was not aware of that | 00:49 |
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| RiD | "It is essentially proprietary bluetooth, that's been closed down in software, only pairing with Logitech devices. " | 00:51 |
| RiD | hmm | 00:51 |
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| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 if you could do that, would you mind PMing me (RiD on forums) with the results? This if I'm not online here | 00:55 |
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| XATRIX | Hi , anything you can advice to run android apps in maemo ? | 00:55 |
| XATRIX | Any emulators,wrappers whatever | 00:55 |
| StyXman | XATRIX: not that I know off | 00:56 |
| XATRIX | :( | 00:56 |
| StyXman | and there are not even dalvik ports to linux | 00:57 |
| StyXman | (AFAIK) | 00:57 |
| XATRIX | Hm... so i can't find anything dalvik's related ? | 00:58 |
| RiD | there were some videos about that... but it was never published | 00:59 |
| XATRIX | Yea , i saw one of it. But you mean, i can't find any software of it ? | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: I already paired my MX5500 mouse and kbd to a regular lenovo laptop's BT | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 01:01 |
| RiD | both Logitech? | 01:01 |
| RiD | or a regular bluetooth keyboard | 01:01 |
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| XATRIX | Is it safe to install that packages ? http://fpaste.org/Yea4/ | 01:04 |
| XATRIX | My hildon updater shows me no updates are currently needed | 01:04 |
| XATRIX | But apt-get thinks different | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: sorry, it seems I got mistaken - unifying receiver is _not_ meant to be BT | 01:06 |
| RiD | ok. so only possible with OTG? | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/cordless-desktop-mx-5500-revolution?crid=403 | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9343/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xMzY1Mjg2MTExL3NpZC9jU1FVdDNubA== | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>A special version of the MX Revolution mouse included with the Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution is a Bluetooth mouse and will connect to any system that has the appropriate Bluetooth software and hardware installed.<< | 01:10 |
| RiD | i see | 01:10 |
| RiD | i checked the support for what i want to buy and it doesn't mention bluetooth anywhere | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I thought my MX5500 BT support was a property of unifying, but obviously it's not, rather it seems it's a special property of MX5500 not related to unifying | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9492/related/1 | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/app/answers/list/kw/can unifying use bluetooth | 01:15 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: Is it safe to install that packages ? http://fpaste.org/Yea4/ | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/Unifying-versus-Bluetooth/m-p/917274/highlight/true#M43516 | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be interesting | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: apt-get upgrade is deprecated | 01:29 |
| XATRIX | hm | 01:29 |
| XATRIX | but i still can install software with apt-get install\ | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you'll maybe notice when it introduces problems | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with upgrade you more likely will install pkgs(-versions) that cause problems, and less likely you'll notice which pkg it been that gives you trouble | 01:31 |
| XATRIX | but how can i install software not using hildon-crappy-package manager ? | 01:31 |
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| MentalistTraceur | XATRIX: You can still use apt-get directly, the point is it's not recommended to run 'apt-get upgrade' specifically. | 01:35 |
| XATRIX | ok, thanks for the advice | 01:36 |
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| MentalistTraceur | 'apt-get upgrade' blindly grabs all latest versions of packages. Which, depending on what repositories you have enabled, can mess things up. | 01:36 |
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| MentalistTraceur | You could for example run "apt-get -s upgrade" (the -s tells apt-get to 'simulate' what it will try to do without actually doing it), see what packages it would thus try to install, and then install the packages out of that list that you actually installed/use yourself. Those will in turn pull any upgraded library/dependency packages, up to the version they need. | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: for indiscriminate upgrade you'll have to stick to HAM, since only HAM knows about package groups | 01:40 |
| XATRIX | ok, but is there any way to speed it up ? it's slow as hell | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for HAMless updating/upgrading listen to MentalistTraceur | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are several updated system lib versions and similar stuff, that would break things but nevertheless apt-get upgrade would import/upgrade them | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for example in your pastebin: | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Reading state information... Done | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | The following packages have been kept back: | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6 | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is just luck since libstdc++6 very likely already would mess up your whole system fubar | 01:44 |
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| XATRIX | Yes, that's why i didn't press Y | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for >>file libmagic1 python-hildondesktop<< I wouldn't bet on the latter 2 to be safe either | 01:45 |
| MentalistTraceur | XATRIX: There's also Faster Application Manager, which works WAY faster than HAM. | 01:45 |
| XATRIX | Ok,i'm gonna try it , apt-get install fapman | 01:46 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05> XATRIX: for indiscriminate upgrade you'll have to stick to HAM, since only HAM knows about package groups | 01:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | Yep. Honestly, when I have to reflash my N900 and set it up from scratch, FApMan is one the first things I download. | 01:48 |
| FIQ | has there been any plans on giving this functionality to n900's dpkg? | 01:48 |
| MentalistTraceur | Then I never touch HAM again. | 01:48 |
| RiD | HAM is fast | 01:49 |
| FIQ | fapman sooner or later borks n900 as it for some reason issues autoremove in some cirumstances.. at least that's what I''ve heard | 01:49 |
| RiD | as long as you don't have any repos enabled on it | 01:49 |
| XATRIX | FIQ "XATRIX: You can still use apt-get directly" | 01:49 |
| XATRIX | HAM is just a frontend to apt-get | 01:49 |
| FIQ | XATRIX: yes, but enabling the possibility to use upgrade w/o breaking stuff I mean | 01:49 |
| XATRIX | As long as i know | 01:49 |
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| FIQ | *I've | 01:49 |
| XATRIX | Ok, will use HAM | 01:49 |
| RiD | XATRIX but it constantly updates the list everytime you install one application | 01:49 |
| FIQ | ~hma | 01:50 |
| infobot | somebody said hma was high memory area | 01:50 |
| FIQ | ~ham | 01:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does | 01:50 |
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| MentalistTraceur | RiD: Depends on how many repos you have enabled. I develop on my N900, and in general there's some packages I need form the Nokia SDK repos. | 01:50 |
| MentalistTraceur | s/form/from/ | 01:50 |
| infobot | MentalistTraceur meant: RiD: Depends on how many repos you have enabled. I develop on my N900, and in general there's some packages I need from the Nokia SDK repos. | 01:50 |
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| XATRIX | Also, why my handset can't get into C4 if i have Wifi enabled ? No other software is engaged | 01:51 |
| XATRIX | Most time it does C2 | 01:51 |
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| MentalistTraceur | FIQ: I've never had my system destabilized by FApMan, so I'm not sure about that being the case, either in the current version or otherwise. | 01:52 |
| Skry | I haven't have any problems with it either | 01:52 |
| RiD | from what i remember, I never had any issue with fapman either | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<XATRIX> HAM is just a frontend to apt-get )) no, fapman is just a frontend to apt-get, HAM is a bit more than that | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<XATRIX> Also, why my handset can't get into C4 if i have Wifi enabled ?)) maybe your AP doesn't support proper powersavingsmode, or you got shitloads of broadcast in your LAN | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you all might never have had problems with fapman, but that's by mere luck then. fapman is *known* to sooner or later fuckup ypur system | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly we found it's simply not suited for e.g. CSSU, and we don't support it and strongly deprecate using it for CSSU | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for all I know fapman is a braindead GUi frontend to apt-get, unlike HAM which knows about package groups, abouts system packages, about not doing autoremove... | 04:22 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer05: how long didnt you looked at fapman? | 04:28 |
| cehteh | so far i know fapman cares about all nokiaisms and works well | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | uhuh | 04:29 |
| cehteh | it has package groups, it manages autoremove if you tell it, it hides system packages and applies the nokia fairy dust over apt | 04:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly don't feel like touching crap that made me puke and reflash during 30min after initial installation, and ever since reports of users messing up their system with it never stopped to come in | 04:30 |
| cehteh | well, fapman works for me since long time now | 04:30 |
| cehteh | i admit the very first releases years ago where crap | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it this way: it had it's chance | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM is opesource | 04:31 |
| cehteh | yes but its utterly slow and unintuitive | 04:31 |
| Drathir | slow because synchronize apps... | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't bother about a reinvention of the wheel instead of fixing what's already there. Particularly when that wheel wasn't a wheel but a sledgehammer falling on my foot when I first time touched it | 04:32 |
| cehteh | imagine maemo would have taken off and we now had 50000 packages in the repo .. one would be unable to handles that with ham | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 04:33 |
| cehteh | arguable the best would be if nokia hadnt broken apt at first .. just using normal tools, maybe contribute changes to upstream debian, no optification and so on .. but well :) | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allow fools to write cheap broken GUI wrappers around apt-get since they are not capable to understand how to fix slowness in HAM? | 04:33 |
| cehteh | i never looked at ham's source .. dunno | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman can get all the love you can find, it still is a waste of time since HAM already been there and done that | 04:34 |
| Drathir | i using apt also but ham is more secure in use... | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, in my book fapman is pathetic, and got invented due to lack of competence of the developers | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if same amount of work had been invested into HAM, we had something *really* usable today | 04:36 |
| cehteh | was ham free software back when the first fapman came out? i dunno | 04:36 |
| Drathir | also ham can be slow becouse cacheing the thumb of apps... | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a few hundered users less who came here and had to get talked thru reflash since fapman borked their system | 04:36 |
| cehteh | HAM's ui is horrible | 04:37 |
| Drathir | because* | 04:37 |
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| cehteh | you cant batch things together and then run the installation, you have no sorting/filtering besides groups and so on | 04:37 |
| Drathir | ui is ok clean but refresh performance is little slow... | 04:37 |
| cehteh | i really cant stand it | 04:37 |
| cehteh | if you want to install 10 packages you have to pay attention to the device for 30+ minutes or whatever.. | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody sane wants to install 10 packages at a time | 04:38 |
| cehteh | search, select .. wait .. ack security question, wait again .. | 04:39 |
| cehteh | what a reason .. i sometimes did that | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're supposed to install one, then check if anything gone south and you maybe want to uninstall it again | 04:39 |
| wulfe | I need flasher 3.5 and image for N810WE (linux deb), the links on the wiki are broken because they still go to nokia. | 04:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~skeiron | 04:40 |
| infobot | [skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 04:40 |
| wulfe | my N810 is stuck at Nokia logo so it needs to be reflashed =( | 04:40 |
| wulfe | ah | 04:40 |
| wulfe | awesome | 04:40 |
| wulfe | thanks Doc | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 04:40 |
| wulfe | i got my N810WE bin but i dont see a link for flasher 3.5 is flasher3.0-amd64 the one i should use instead? (i am on linux 64b btw) | 04:44 |
| wulfe | or am i just wrong in thinking there was a 3.5? | 04:45 |
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| wulfe | ok no, im not wrong in that. i found flasher 3.5 but again no working link for it. =P | 04:49 |
| Drathir | wulfe: stuck with no reason? | 04:51 |
| wulfe | aha found it | 04:51 |
| wulfe | nevermind now, it was under a different section then i expected on skeirons site | 04:52 |
| Drathir | infobot: flaher | 04:53 |
| wulfe | yeah its just stuck at boot up on nokia logo | 04:53 |
| Drathir | infobot: ~flaher | 04:53 |
| wulfe | flasher* | 04:53 |
| Drathir | infobot: ~flasher | 04:53 |
| Drathir | 3:54 GMT+1 | 04:54 |
| Drathir | :p | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flasher | 04:55 |
| infobot | hmm... flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 04:55 |
| Drathir | or i dont like time change that showing now GMT+2 if not wrong :/ | 04:56 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: infobot dont like direct messages? :/ | 04:57 |
| Drathir | botsnack | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if infobot would answer to every nonsense that's not addressed to her, this channel would get pretty noisy | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: botsnack | 04:58 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer05 | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 04:58 |
| infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer05 | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: ~botsnack | 04:58 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: thanks | 04:58 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: like you^^ | 04:59 |
| Drathir | bot ofc | 04:59 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I agree with Doc ^^^. It benefits maemo more to commit to repairing/bettering core system applications than making an optional application. However I didn't know it was FOSS | 10:43 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | wikiedits karma seems repaired :) | 10:50 |
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| raid_ | i'm a developer. i'm trying to start developing for linux. what irc channel can i get general information about it in? | 10:57 |
| raid_ | besides this one | 10:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | raid_: linux, maemo or both, what language? | 11:00 |
| raid_ | linux c++ | 11:01 |
| raid_ | not maemo. maemo is nice that i can relate most of what i learn over to it | 11:01 |
| raid_ | sixwheeledbeast: ^ | 11:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | raid | 11:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mompls | 11:03 |
| Hurrian | raid_: learn about the POSIX standard, linuxisms and stupid shit glibc does. | 11:03 |
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| Hurrian | oh and unless you're doing things that need direct hardware access such as ioctls, your program must run on all Unix-likes without major refactoring. | 11:04 |
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| raid_ | Hurrian: i'm going to be using boost or qt for abstraction, but i need to learn the mantra for even setting up a project properly | 11:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~ping | 11:08 |
| infobot | ~pong | 11:08 |
| Hurrian | raid_, well, that's pretty cross-platform. Qt Designer has most of what you need. | 11:08 |
| raid_ | Hurrian: is that the same as qt creator? | 11:10 |
| Hurrian | whoops, meant that. Qt Designer is the graphical design tools. | 11:11 |
| raid_ | Hurrian: does it setup the makefile and deb files? | 11:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | raid_: I am no "developer" but I have used Qt. Qt Creator is the lot, designer is only GUI tools | 11:11 |
| Hurrian | raid_: Qt Creator has integration with packaging tools. | 11:11 |
| raid_ | obviously, users will want to be able to build from source, so i'll to set up a makefile, but i'm not sure if i have to do that by hand or what | 11:13 |
| Hurrian | (IIRC the integration is for Maemo, but target the x86/whatever architecture and no one's the wiser ;) | 11:13 |
| raid_ | if i don't use Qt, then what would i use? | 11:13 |
| Hurrian | raid_: The buildable project has a .pro file that users can use to make the program themselves. | 11:13 |
| Hurrian | No idea if Qt can spit out makefiles. | 11:13 |
| raid_ | would CodeBlocks fully set me up automatically | 11:14 |
| raid_ | i better check them out | 11:15 |
| raid_ | Hurrian: thanks | 11:15 |
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| Apic | Happy Boomtime. | 12:08 |
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| XATRIX | Guys, can you tell me which software can i use to be able to work with smb shares over network ? | 12:33 |
| Apic | samba | 12:34 |
| XATRIX | I can't open any network locations from my maemo file manager | 12:34 |
| XATRIX | I need some GUI | 12:34 |
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| luf | XATRIX: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38536&page=2 | 14:08 |
| luf | It seems to late but maybe you'll take a look into history log | 14:08 |
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| jiero | hi, my n900 have a problem: cannot send/receive SMS. | 15:40 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | jiero: have you proved it's the N900 and not the SIM? | 15:41 |
| Drathir | jiero: network is avaible? | 15:42 |
| jiero | Drathir: I tried make a call and all works fine. | 15:42 |
| jiero | sixwheeledbeast: I don't have another cellphone. | 15:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | jiero: calls ok? | 15:43 |
| jiero | except, wifi not working | 15:43 |
| jiero | sixwheeledbeast: yes, I make several calls today | 15:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Im's work? persist a reboot? | 15:44 |
| jiero | Is it possible a bug because I enabled extra-devel repository? | 15:45 |
| jiero | switched off and it still cannot receive any message from Operator. maybe their problem\ | 15:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | jiero: depends if you have installed anything | 15:45 |
| jiero | don't remember what I removed :( that may cause trouble | 15:46 |
| jiero | is there a way to disable SMS? | 15:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | can you view old messages? | 15:49 |
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| jiero | sixwheeledbeast: yes, I can see. | 15:50 |
| jiero | oh, it require the lost lock code... | 15:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | er | 15:51 |
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| jiero | probably I'm going to reflash it... | 15:55 |
| jiero | backup and go... | 15:55 |
| jiero | thank you sixwheeledbeast Drathir | 15:56 |
| jiero | bye | 15:56 |
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| kerio | hm, why doesn't i2c-tools on extras-devel include python-smbus? | 16:04 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: ^ | 16:06 |
| kerio | not in the same package, mind you, but the upstream source package can build that package too | 16:06 |
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| kerio | although the python situation isn't exactly clear, on the n900 :s | 16:08 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio: not sure, I just made a simple package for hostmode | 16:24 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: in your source, there's the directory that contains the source to the python module | 16:24 |
| kerio | idk if autobuilder can build python extensions | 16:25 |
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| Drathir | smscenter problem? | 17:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | jiero's gone... it could be lots of thing's | 17:18 |
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| Drathir | sixwheeledbeast: yes true but really dont like unsloved cases, to mysterous??? | 17:23 |
| Drathir | better always known the reason of behaviours... | 17:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Drathir: likewise but more information was required to diagnose | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to those who may wonder: woody is well and probably back by Monday | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: iirc autobuilder and lang bindings for py etc always been a PITA | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: also iirc all stuff that's used in autobuilder's gear is pretty hard to build to a different version than that used in autobuilder | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kinda like apt-get install apt-get | 17:34 |
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| XATRIX | Any idea what to use to explore smb shares in GUI ? | 21:42 |
| XATRIX | Maybe some plugins/addons to file manager ? | 21:43 |
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| OkropNick | Hi. Does anyone know, how to lock device after locking screen on N900? | 22:01 |
| cehteh | manually? | 22:03 |
| OkropNick | please send memessage if someone know... thanks in advance. | 22:04 |
| cehteh | heh | 22:04 |
| cehteh | what do you exactl want? | 22:05 |
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| discopig | hi | 22:20 |
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| raid_ | is there a google authenticator app for the n900? | 22:41 |
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| freemangordon | ~mirrors | 22:43 |
| infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new | 22:43 |
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| wxcafe | "it has been said" ^^ | 23:00 |
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