IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-04-01

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sixwheeledbeast, maintenance complete01:26
sixwheeledbeast\o/01:26
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DocScrutinizer05is it?01:28
DocScrutinizer05we're so busy with getting voting infra to run, that I forgot to ask what's up with maintenance01:29
warfare*snicker*01:32
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sixwheeledbeastuploaded a package to via web assistant, currently been in the queue for 30mins hopefully it will be built.01:51
sixwheeledbeast I also noticed scp is no longer working for me "This is a restricted account."01:51
DocScrutinizer05o.O02:00
DocScrutinizer05warfare: jacekowski: ^^^02:00
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sixwheeledbeastTBH i think scp may have been broken for me pre-maintenance, but never 100% checked or reported.02:02
DocScrutinizer05aaah02:03
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Drathirsixwheeledbeast: you can sucessfully connect throught ssh?02:34
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tx0hmorning08:53
tx0his there a way to see and set the wireless power on the shell? can't see the power info (mV) with iwconfig08:53
tx0hwhat else might be a reason for fast battery drain?08:54
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ApicHappy Easter-Monday-Morning10:16
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DocScrutinizer05tx0h: tx power of wlan is NOT a reason for battery drain11:51
DocScrutinizer05tx0h: poor AP with no support for powersavings mode, or no AP at all but you forcing wlan chip into constant scanning, _that_ can both cut through your battery in no time11:53
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tx0hwhat else can be done to save energy? my battery empties in about 12hrs!!12:00
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tx0hhow can i disable constant wifi scanning?12:00
keriothere's no constant wifi scanning, surely12:01
keriotx0h: check the actual power consumption12:01
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tx0hwould 'initctl stop wlancond' help?12:01
keriofirst check the power consumption please12:02
tx0hhmm.. what else can cause this dramatic drain12:02
tx0hhow? with powertop?12:02
kerionah, bq27k data12:02
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tx0h??12:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you need to stop bme before reading from bq27200?12:03
DocScrutinizer05usually not12:03
DocScrutinizer05it can garble your readings but that won't kill anything, incl bme12:04
keriotx0h: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.sh12:04
keriorun `sudo bq27200.sh 10`12:04
kerioyou need to install i2c-tools first12:04
kerioit'll give you a reading of voltage and current every 10 seconds12:05
keriorun it in xterm and lock the screen for a while12:05
tx0hi can't find bq27200.sh, had i2c-tools installed before12:06
kerioi gave you the link to download it :)12:07
DocScrutinizer05~bq2720012:07
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail212:07
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kerio~literal bq2720012:08
infobot"bq27200" is "<reply>see bq27k-detail"12:08
keriohm12:08
keriosurely bq27200.sh is what people usually want to use12:08
kerioit's got a looping mode and everything12:08
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27*12:09
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DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27200.sh12:09
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail-perl12:09
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail212:10
keriouuuuugh that's awful12:10
kerioperl D:12:10
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DocScrutinizer05sowat? you think your python version is nicer? ;-P12:12
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kerioyep12:12
DocScrutinizer05# perl-rewrite (c) 2013-01-01 jon_y12:14
DocScrutinizer05#  http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2013-01-02.log.html#t2013-01-02T00:16:1812:14
tx0hError: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy12:15
tx0hdo i need to stop this battery eye thing?12:15
keriomaybe12:15
DocScrutinizer05you need to modprobe -r bq27x00.ko I guess12:16
keriotx0h isn't using that module12:17
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DocScrutinizer05then for sure nothing should exclusively occupy the chip addr12:17
kerioreally? :o12:17
tx0hnot found (the mod)12:17
DocScrutinizer05if sth does, it deserves to get nuked from extras and extras-devel12:17
DocScrutinizer05s/devel/testing/12:18
keriotx0h: modprobe -r bq27x00_battery12:18
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: if sth does, it deserves to get nuked from extras and extras-testing12:18
DocScrutinizer05bme will not be happy when it gets restarted and can't open bq27200 on i2c bus12:18
tx0hthis works12:18
keriowhy did you have that module loaded?12:19
tx0hnow i need to switch off the power cable, right?12:19
DocScrutinizer05good point :-)12:19
kerioactually, i think that modprobe -r doesn't complain if the module isn't loaded12:19
DocScrutinizer05but you can do that after you started bq27200.sh12:19
DocScrutinizer05will be interesting for you to watch12:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: it does12:20
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tx0h11:20 4137 100  100  54   903  903  903  0     65535 20  012:20
tx0h11:20 4100 100  100  -99  903  903  903  65535 542   20  012:20
tx0hthis is before and after powercord disconnection12:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah12:21
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DocScrutinizer05if your battery isn't massively worn out, your bq27200 chip is decalibrated12:22
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DocScrutinizer05but quite possibly your battery actually is worn and weak12:23
freemangordon~seen Pali12:23
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 9h 43m 13s ago, saying: 'only emmc'.12:23
DocScrutinizer05start bq27200 without time parameter12:23
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DocScrutinizer05and pastebin the output12:23
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DocScrutinizer05`sudo bq27200.sh`12:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: 900 LMD means 900 LMD12:24
DocScrutinizer05you should do this in a second xterm window, or stop the looping bq27200.sh with ^C first12:24
keriono real way around it12:24
keriothere's no way to fake LMD, remember?12:25
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DocScrutinizer05there's a shitload12:25
kerioand it can only go down from ILMD12:25
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DocScrutinizer05of ways LMD can be wrong12:25
kerio*that* wrong?12:26
keriohardly12:26
DocScrutinizer05sure12:26
DocScrutinizer05but I already said probably his cell is actually worn12:26
tx0hwell, the battery is about a month old12:26
keriowhich battery is this?12:26
DocScrutinizer05and I'm interested in cyclecount, and cycles-since-last-learn12:27
tx0hit's a GH BL-5J 1320 mHa 3.7V12:27
DocScrutinizer05close12:27
keriogh?12:28
tx0hmAh12:28
DocScrutinizer05even middle one uppercase been correct :-D12:28
tx0hit's a third party12:28
* kerio bets scam batteryt12:28
kerio*battery12:28
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DocScrutinizer05prolly12:28
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is there seriously no way to get binary data from i2cdump? :s12:29
DocScrutinizer05huh?12:29
kerioi got this weird printable thing12:29
kerioi wanted /bytes/12:30
tx0hhow can i see the cycles-since-last-learn?12:30
keriotx0h: bq27200.sh without a numeric parameter12:30
DocScrutinizer05`sudo bq27200.sh`12:30
DocScrutinizer05I told you above12:30
tx0hit says: 012:31
DocScrutinizer05no way12:31
DocScrutinizer05you don't c&p the `, did you?12:31
tx0hno12:32
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tx0hTTE 281 minutes12:33
DocScrutinizer05this command has a plethora of rich info as output, for sure it doesn't say "0"12:33
tx0hnoo..12:33
DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-01 11:23:17] <DocScrutinizer05> start bq27200 without time parameter12:33
tx0hthats the calue it gives me12:33
DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-01 11:23:31] <DocScrutinizer05> and pastebin the output12:33
DocScrutinizer05~pastebin12:33
infobotA "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few: http://www.pastebin.com, http://pastebin.ca, http://channels.debian.net/paste, http://paste.lisp.org, http://bin.cakephp.org/; or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.12:33
tx0hhttp://pastebin.ca/234683012:34
DocScrutinizer05you completed a learning cycle with last discharging of your battery, and it evaluated battery total capacity as 903mAh12:36
tx0hok12:37
keriowhich means that yor battery is worse than awful12:37
kerio*your12:37
keriothere's a reason cheap chinese batteries are cheap12:38
tx0hwhats the reason?12:38
keriothey're bad12:38
* grummund bought a chinese clone battery for his dell laptop12:38
tx0hoh, that simple :-)12:38
kerioactually, no12:39
grummundit lasted about 6 weeks and then suddenly died12:39
keriothey're a crapshoot12:39
keriosometimes you get a good one12:39
keriobut they're mostly bad12:39
tx0hmost batteries are manufactured in the same hall12:39
tx0hjust different lables12:39
kerioyeah, and the ones that can guarantee a certain capacity and a certain life are sold as 1st party batteries12:39
keriothe ones that weren't quite up to spec are "recycled" as third-party batteries12:40
DocScrutinizer05:nod:12:40
tx0hwhats a good source for low money?12:40
kerioit's hard to find good /and/ cheap batteries and storage cards12:41
keriotx0h: the akku polarcell has been pretty reliable12:41
grummundit had a  good capacity but suddenly died completely12:41
kerio1500mAh12:41
DocScrutinizer05then there's also ghostshifts, where the employees build inferior product from material that got phased out from manufacturing process due to not meeting the specs12:41
DocScrutinizer05often those ghostshift products even are labeled as "genuine"12:42
keriotx0h: where are you?12:42
tx0hpolarcell, i watch out for them12:42
tx0hberlin12:42
keriomh12:42
kerioi think ebay had a german seller for those12:42
keriothere's also an amazon uk seller12:42
kerio12.90€12:43
tx0hhmm.. well.. this ones where waaay cheaper. to cheap.12:43
DocScrutinizer05I got all my spare batteries from "turkish" (or pakistani, or indian) second-hand cellphone stores, for cheap money12:43
kerioand it says Artikelstandort: Berlin12:43
keriowhich i assume means "article is in:"12:44
DocScrutinizer05you can find those on each corner, especially in Berlin12:44
tx0hi know. in neukoelln or wedding12:44
kerioif we trust dr_frost_dk's battery thread, they're currently the best batteries12:44
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DocScrutinizer05who wouldn't trust dr_frost_dk?12:45
kerioi don't trust doctors12:46
kerio:P12:46
tx0hi also have one polarcell12:48
tx0hjust checked it12:48
DocScrutinizer05Average Current: 113 mA  looks reasonable for screen backlight on12:48
tx0hbut it says 1400mAh12:49
tx0hnot 150012:49
DocScrutinizer05it's rather irrelevant what it *says*, it's interesting what it *provides* ;-)12:51
DocScrutinizer05as in: LMD12:51
* DocScrutinizer05 just idly wonders why bq27x00_battery.ko been loaded12:52
tx0hwhats better for the battery? charging via usb port or in the external charger?12:52
DocScrutinizer05doesn't mazzer12:52
DocScrutinizer05matter*12:52
keriotx0h: no seriously, why was bq27x00_battery loaded12:53
DocScrutinizer05err wut? external charger? those are usually pretty crappy cheap ... crap12:53
tx0hi'm clueless12:53
tx0htell me12:53
tx0hwell, it's a nokia charger12:53
kerio1) are you running kernel-power 52 prerelease?12:53
kerio2) have you installed the bme replacement?12:54
DocScrutinizer05are you running KP48 or older even?12:54
tx0hwait, i just boot with the polarcell in it12:55
DocScrutinizer05tx0h: you're aware that this doesn't change your LMD reading from bq27200.sh? until you ran two or 3 valid learning cycles on the swapped battery12:56
tx0h? i swap my battery every now and then12:57
tx0hnot good?12:57
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keriowell it gives you weird readings in bq27k12:57
DocScrutinizer05well, it just renders the probed total capacity (LMD) in bq27200 moot12:57
DocScrutinizer05TimeToEmpty etc is calculated from LMD and AverageCurrent, so this is also moot12:58
tx0hhmmm.. then maybe the 903mAh are not the real value?12:59
DocScrutinizer05they been, for *some* cell you used12:59
DocScrutinizer05actually for the cell you used when you last time completely discharged your battery13:00
DocScrutinizer05(since "cycles since last learning cycle: 0")13:00
kerioand even then, not really, unless you've been using the bme replacement13:00
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kerioor you specifically did a calibration cycle13:00
DocScrutinizer05hm?13:00
DocScrutinizer05learning cycle is learning cycle13:00
DocScrutinizer05whatever you did to accomplish it13:01
kerioyou can't do a learning cycle with bme_RX-51, it'll force a shutdown before13:01
DocScrutinizer05kerio: read http://pastebin.ca/234683013:01
kerio\_o_/13:02
DocScrutinizer05CI=0, Cycle Count since Learning: 013:02
tx0hLinux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28.10-power51 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jul 23 16:41:15 EEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux13:03
DocScrutinizer05means very last discharge completed a learning cycle, and that resulted in "Last Measured Discharge: 903 mAh"13:04
keriotx0h: but have you loaded the module manually?13:04
keriobecause afaik, nothing should load it automatically13:04
DocScrutinizer05:nod:13:04
kerioin fact, it MUST NOT be loaded automatically13:04
kerio(by default)13:04
tx0hnope, but maybe the battery-eye thing?13:04
keriohm, it's possible13:05
DocScrutinizer05battery-eye is crap iirc13:05
tx0hhow can i force learning?13:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: does bme-rx51 do force reads from bq27k?13:06
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh13:06
tx0hand resetting previous data from otrher batteries13:06
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DocScrutinizer05tx0h: since LMD can change only 1/8 from last value per learning cycle, you may need 2 or 3 to actually reach true LMD for a cell (900mAh->1012,5mAh->1139mAh->...)13:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's no limit on up-learning though13:08
DocScrutinizer05that's my guess, I heard some e*_ argued there was13:09
DocScrutinizer05as a rule of thumb, when LMD doesn't change significantly between two learning cycles (aka claibration), you can be sure it's valid13:09
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tx0hbut in general it's better to work with one battery and don't change to often because the charging is influenced by the data of other batteries. is this what i've learned?13:11
DocScrutinizer05no, charging isn't influenced13:11
tx0hwhat does the calibrate script do?13:11
tx0hok, i just thought that would13:11
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DocScrutinizer05you can swap batteries as you like, just the values in bq27200 chip won't apply to new battery then13:11
DocScrutinizer05and since e.g. battery-eye seems to rely on those values, you might get fooled then13:12
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't have any impact on N900's performance (available standby time etc), but your meters might show bogus values13:13
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tx0hwhat does the calibrate script do?13:13
tx0hi will remove the battery-eye thing13:14
DocScrutinizer05it charges your device til battery full, then stops charging and waits until battery empty and learning cycle complete, then re-enables charging13:14
keriotx0h: the source is fairly self-explanatory, but all it does is wait for the charge to complete, then shuts off the charging (while the cable is still connected) until the battery is depleted enough for the battery chip to calibrate13:14
keriothen starts the charging again13:14
DocScrutinizer05nota bene my calibrate script doesn't work with bme-replacement13:15
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kerioyeah, the script for the bme replacement is much simpler13:15
kerio:P13:15
DocScrutinizer05meh!13:15
tx0hhow can i find out what i'm up with? bme-replacement or not?13:15
keriohave you installed the bme replacements?13:16
kerio*replacement13:16
DocScrutinizer05tx0h: you should read thru the script, it's really self explanatory, and not everything is easy to read on screen when it executes13:16
tx0hdpkg tells me i have bme-rx-5113:16
DocScrutinizer05lsmod|grep ????13:16
DocScrutinizer05ask somebody for what to grep, who actually got bme replacement13:17
keriotx0h: what's the version?13:17
kerioapt-cache policy bme-rx-5113:17
tx0h0.8.55+0m513:17
kerioyou don't have the bme replacement13:17
tx0hno mod with bme in its name is loaded13:17
keriobut then, why the hell was that module loaded13:17
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DocScrutinizer05bat-crye13:17
DocScrutinizer05some of bat-spye-crap does force-load bq27k_battery iirc13:18
DocScrutinizer05I for one would rename the bq27200_battery.ko to *-hide-me13:20
tx0hi purged battery-eye :-)13:20
keriotx0h: reboot now13:20
keriojust to be sure13:20
DocScrutinizer05it still might have nuked the blacklist entry13:20
keriothere's no blacklist entry13:20
DocScrutinizer05who knows what battery-eye does (on post-deinstall)13:21
kerioit's just... not loaded by anything13:21
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tx0hwell, i need to start a travel in 1/2 hour13:21
keriohm, actually there is13:21
keriowhat do you know13:21
kerio\_o_/13:21
DocScrutinizer05tzz :-P13:21
kerioanyway, the bme replacement packaging is kinda backwards on this, i guess13:21
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keriothe modules are blacklisted and then loaded manually later on13:22
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DocScrutinizer05you know me how long now? don't you think it's wise to doublecheck if I might be right before you say i'm wrong? ;-)13:22
kerioinstead of, you know, loading basic functionality like /CHARGING THE BATTERY ON A MOBILE DEVICE/ at the earliest13:22
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but you're also forgetting13:22
kerio~kerio13:22
infobotmethinks kerio is <DocScrutinizer05> kerio is right13:22
DocScrutinizer05look, when I'm usually wrong, then...13:23
DocScrutinizer05;-P13:23
tx0hno bq module loaded after reboot13:23
keriogood13:23
DocScrutinizer05good13:23
DocScrutinizer05now you're safe to run http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh13:24
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kerionot really, it's noon13:24
tx0hno, i need to rush to the station13:24
tx0h:-(13:24
keriosee?13:24
DocScrutinizer05you might want to run bq27200.sh 30 in another xterm13:24
keriorun that script overnight13:24
tx0hi'm offline for at least 24 hours now13:24
tx0hyes, i will do13:24
DocScrutinizer05in parallel to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh13:24
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keriothe backlight on with a black screen won't actually give out much light13:25
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DocScrutinizer05huh?13:25
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DocScrutinizer05ooh13:25
kerioor mostly black, i mean13:25
tx0hok. i need to shutdown my desktop now and get me into my clothes13:26
DocScrutinizer05or place device in a drawer ;-P13:26
tx0hthank you for some insights13:26
DocScrutinizer05or put on cloth goggles13:26
DocScrutinizer05yw13:26
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i have a fuckton of blinkenlights in my room anyway13:26
DocScrutinizer05I have a TV in my room ;-P13:27
DocScrutinizer05I forgot if it has or hasn't a powerswitch13:27
DocScrutinizer05recently I started pondering to install some PIR-motion-detectors pointing away from my bed, and have the TV shut down if they don't detect movement for >60min13:29
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TimmyI need to install obfsproxy on maemo but there is no binary package for that. I have tried to compile that on my phone but it was unsuccessful. can someone here help me create a binary package for that?13:35
Timmyhttp://paste.kde.org/713258/13:36
DocScrutinizer05you need a scratchbox fremantle build environment on you rPC13:40
DocScrutinizer05or somebody willing to try and build it for you on his sb13:42
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DocScrutinizer05it's a heroic but usually futile effort to build on N90013:44
DocScrutinizer05starting with the pathetic amount of real free memory (RAM) you have for such build13:45
DocScrutinizer05and not even ending with all the libs and sourcecode you need in adition to basic stuff like gcc13:46
DocScrutinizer05bottom line: building on N900 is feasible for "hello world" (and even that may already suck) -  everything beyond is for expert geeks only, and involves stuff like easydeb etc13:48
DocScrutinizer05and for sure sucks13:48
DocScrutinizer05what's obfsproxy ?13:50
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DocScrutinizer05MHM https://www.torproject.org/projects/obfsproxy.html.en13:51
DocScrutinizer05also MHM Timmy has left this server (Ping timeout: 252 seconds).13:52
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sixwheeledbeastmmm, PIR TV ... I like14:38
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sixwheeledbeastany news on stuck builder?14:39
DocScrutinizer05hmmm https://guardianproject.info/14:39
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: shouldn't be stuck14:40
DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/14:40
DocScrutinizer05I don't think we changed anything since last successful build14:41
sixwheeledbeasthttps://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ bander there since last night14:41
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me why qgodville aapears in the list on left side but not in the box labebeled "latest builds" on right side14:43
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: this page you referred to looks pretty non-relevant to what'sa ctually going on on builder14:47
sixwheeledbeast:shrugs:14:47
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DocScrutinizer05anyway I have no clue, sorry I can't help based on the info you give me and the investigations I could do based on that14:48
sixwheeledbeastok14:49
DocScrutinizer05feel free to ping jacekowski about it14:49
DocScrutinizer05but i'm afraid he's on holiday for a week14:49
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DocScrutinizer05if you want me to check any particular logfiles or dir content or whatever for you, just holler14:51
sixwheeledbeast~ping14:58
infobot~pong14:58
sixwheeledbeast~ping14:58
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sixwheeledbeastI have tried it again. See what happens. There's no build errors or logfiles here due to not leaving the queue.15:01
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DocScrutinizer05I see www gone down15:28
DocScrutinizer05:-(15:29
DocScrutinizer05fuuuuuu.....15:29
SpeedEvilsigh.15:32
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DocScrutinizer05200% CPU15:37
DocScrutinizer05ssh down15:37
DocScrutinizer05might have to reboot hard the VM15:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: don't we have KVM access to it?15:38
kerioand by we i mean you15:38
DocScrutinizer05this is XEN15:38
keriono physical console?15:38
keriothat's a paddlin'15:38
DocScrutinizer05virtual phy console, yes15:38
keriolike, one for each VM15:39
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tmpicHi. maemo.org is down. Where can I alternatively get the Firmware Upgrade Images and flasher-3.5?16:03
thedead1440~skeiron16:04
infobot[skeiron] the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post131514316:04
thedead1440tmpic: ^^^16:04
tmpicThanks. B-)16:05
tmpicHappy Easter!16:05
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thedead1440same to you :)16:06
kerioalso16:10
kerio~pr13116:10
infobotcombined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  or  http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin16:10
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DocScrutinizer05MEH! another wasted hour16:16
DocScrutinizer05:-/16:16
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MSameerthere is something wrong with the extras assistant web ui16:40
MSameerI always get "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!" after i upload both dsc and tarball16:40
MSameerjacekowski: ^^^16:41
sixwheeledbeastMSameer: he's on holiday so I am told16:43
MSameerwell, i don't know how to report the issue then :|16:43
MSameermaybe a mailing list but i am not subscribed to any16:44
sixwheeledbeastI have no issues with the assistant but the package seems to sit in the queue forever.16:44
MSameermaybe there is a limit on the file size16:44
sixwheeledbeastalso my scp is broken16:44
MSameerscp worked fine here16:45
MSameermsameer@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle16:45
MSameerbut so far auto builder hasn't picked the stuff up yet16:45
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sixwheeledbeastn900-quran16:46
sixwheeledbeast??16:46
MSameeryup16:46
MSameerhow did you know? :)16:46
sixwheeledbeastit sat in build queue with my package16:47
MSameeraha16:47
MSameerso scp works in theory but autobuilder is not picking up16:47
sixwheeledbeastif you check todays logs. I reported this just after maintenance yesterday.16:48
sixwheeledbeastit's not the upload it's not being built16:48
sixwheeledbeastmy scp issue seems a separate issue.16:49
MSameermight be april fools then :P16:49
MSameerso builder is playing with us16:49
MSameeri don't usually lark here so i missed what you have reported but maybe i should start larking here16:50
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sixwheeledbeastseems to be where all the good stuff happens16:51
sixwheeledbeastif you want to keep bleeding-edge on maemo news...16:51
DocScrutinizer05there might be a cronjob missing or garbled16:52
DocScrutinizer05or some nfs mount borked16:53
DocScrutinizer05or dunno what16:53
DocScrutinizer05~lart autobuilder16:53
* infobot throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at autobuilder16:53
sixwheeledbeast:cough:16:54
* sixwheeledbeast can no longer see builder for smoke16:54
DocScrutinizer05the only april's fool so far is http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo16:54
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: so walk on, nothing to see here16:55
* sixwheeledbeast retreats quickly to reload 16:55
DocScrutinizer05you noticed jacekowski's terse topological map of autobuilder at http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure ?16:56
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DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Autobuilder_and_friends  particularly17:00
DocScrutinizer05I'll happily provide excerps from any dirs or logs, if you tell me what you wanna know17:01
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keriohm, "topological map"17:04
kerioi was expecting a continuous function between topological spaces17:04
DocScrutinizer05LOL, you're missing out dimensions to see the continuity ;-)17:06
keriodimensions?17:07
keriowtf is a dimension17:07
DocScrutinizer05~wiki dimension17:07
keriopoint-set topology has no dimensions17:07
infobotAt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension (URL), Wikipedia explains: ": "Not to be confused with Dimension of a physical quantity. For other uses, see Dimension (disambiguation)." , the cube, and the tesseract. The square is bounded by 1-dimensional lines, the cube by 2-dimensional areas, and the tesseract by 3-dimensional volumes. A projection of the cube is given since it is viewed on a two-dimensional screen. The same applies to the tesseract, which ...17:07
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder how this:17:20
DocScrutinizer05root@www1:~# free17:20
DocScrutinizer05             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached17:20
DocScrutinizer05Mem:       6050036     925144    5124892          0      71960     31498817:20
DocScrutinizer05-/+ buffers/cache:     538196    551184017:20
DocScrutinizer05matches this: http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo17:21
DocScrutinizer05ooh nevermind, I forgot to refresh the ganglia display17:25
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sixwheeledbeastI don't understand how people get so confused with CSSU17:55
* sixwheeledbeast sighs17:55
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thedead1440sixwheeledbeast: they don't read wiki or anything and want it served to them ;)17:58
sixwheeledbeastmmm17:59
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sixwheeledbeastsomeone thinking "sudo apt-get install cssufeatures" installs CSSU Stable.18:00
thedead1440yeah saw that post18:00
jacekowskiMSameer: checksum mismatch18:01
jacekowskiMSameer: or something like that18:01
MSameerthat's weird18:02
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keriommh, around 100 USD/BTC now18:07
Drathiranyone using mcabber with otr?18:08
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jacekowskihmmmm18:08
jacekowski                           if (! move_uploaded_file($_FILES['tar_file']['tmp_name'], './incoming/'.$user["username"].'/'.$distro[0].'/'.$tar_file))18:08
jacekowski                            {18:08
jacekowski                                echo "File upload error. (tar file)\n";18:08
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jacekowskiMSameer: autobuilder is down because cron is not working, and i can't fix it myself because of stupid politics18:13
Drathirjacekowski: is not possible to restart autobuilder by hand?18:15
jacekowskiall you have to do is start cron18:15
jacekowskibut because of some stupid rules i'm not supposed to do it18:16
Drathirbtw i find something that http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.user/1802 with issue otr and i have question is secure to install by hand package from http://maemo.org/packages/view/pidgin-otr/ ?18:16
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Drathiri think if i install package by hand that dont broke repository? this packages is the same like normal deb files?18:18
jacekowskiyou can install external packages just fine18:19
jacekowskibut why do you want to install it when it's in the repository?18:19
jacekowskienable extras devel and apt-get install pidgin-otr18:20
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sixwheeledbeastwho can restart cron then?18:34
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-01 17:40:20] <DocScrutinizer05> here we go... buildme running18:40
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: sorry for stupid rules, but your bitching about them doesn't help18:41
DocScrutinizer05you know what's the required procedure to do root stuff, please don't bitch but follow the procedure18:42
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Drathirjacekowski: i think about try to check what is wrong with that package, why dont work i dont know much about that but why not to try check...18:44
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: sysops18:49
sixwheeledbeastsysops: ping18:50
sixwheeledbeast:P18:50
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: pong18:58
DocScrutinizer05wazzup?18:58
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sixwheeledbeastsysops: restart cron on builder please?18:59
sixwheeledbeastoh, you have19:00
DocScrutinizer05we're already recovering from impact19:01
DocScrutinizer05:-P19:01
sixwheeledbeastta, very much :)19:01
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thedead1440we should have a new bot named sysbot19:02
thedead1440and yes i know doc is close to being a bot but he's a moody bot so not a bot-bot :p19:02
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sixwheeledbeastsysbot: ping ?19:05
thedead1440:D19:06
DocScrutinizer05not in my list of highlights19:06
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thedead1440add it then ;)19:06
thedead1440...and when you are pinged as sysbot you can't go liam neeson on said person :D19:07
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thedead1440sysbot: lart DocScrutinizer0519:07
sysbotyou rang?19:07
sixwheeledbeastwhen will maemo.org login be working sysbot?19:08
thedead1440sysbot: why is *patch not removed from extras yet?19:08
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sysbotwhen we found out about how to fix the crypt() php plugin mess19:09
sysbotbecause nobody instructed techstaff to do so yet19:09
sixwheeledbeastthedead1440: people are still "in disscusion" about it19:09
thedead1440sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ why no instructions?19:09
thedead1440oh19:09
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thedead1440oh sysbot left us... :(19:10
sixwheeledbeastI have instructed but CC decided to be diplomatic19:10
DocScrutinizer05it feels like MrData losing his emotion chip19:10
thedead1440sixwheeledbeast: i suspected the reaction this way; especially considering the proposition is so broad and not only about *patch19:11
DocScrutinizer05over-diplomatic, I might add. My privaze 2ct19:11
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sixwheeledbeastI agree, I feel *patch is a different matter to "broken foo pkg"19:12
thedead1440indeed19:12
DocScrutinizer05actually I think CC instructed MT to start a thread "asking about any technical objections against removing *patch", not extending the discussion if it should get done19:12
DocScrutinizer05but... over-diplomatic, as usual19:13
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: indeed; i couldn't find in any logs of meeting where it was about extending the discussion19:13
DocScrutinizer05;-P19:13
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sixwheeledbeastagreed.19:13
DocScrutinizer05this was a pretty clear decission made during CC-meeting19:13
thedead1440i went thru the logs twice thinking i was sleepy during meeting so missed it but ended up wasting my time :(19:14
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DocScrutinizer05I'm busy with other stuff, so if any of you feels like calling in on that thread and correct matters19:14
sixwheeledbeastI don't see why CC needs to ask C for permission to remove foo if reported dangerous.19:14
DocScrutinizer05... go ahead19:14
DocScrutinizer05you may quote me on "it's been already decided to remove, if no technical objections"19:15
DocScrutinizer05add a link to CC-meeting19:16
DocScrutinizer05chanlog19:16
DocScrutinizer05== done ==19:16
thedead1440that thread has gone so far that doing something like that would not be effective actually19:16
keriowhich thread?19:16
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DocScrutinizer05*shrug*19:16
DocScrutinizer05what else could be done?19:17
thedead1440kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8964419:17
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: MT himself calls in the thread about what it actually was supposed to be... after all Council members have more credibility than anybody else19:17
DocScrutinizer05where?19:18
DocScrutinizer05his initial post been rather fuzzy iirc19:18
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: yeah i meant that to: "00:19 <DocScrutinizer05> what else could be done?"19:18
DocScrutinizer05hmm?19:19
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DocScrutinizer05the thread title is not to the point already: >>[Council] Should Tech Staff and/or Council Remove Dangerous Packages From Extras and Extras-Testing?<<19:19
thedead1440exactly19:19
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not going into that19:19
DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-01 18:15:51] <DocScrutinizer05> you may quote me on "it's been already decided to remove, if no technical objections"19:20
DocScrutinizer05[2013-04-01 18:16:18] <DocScrutinizer05> add a link to CC-meeting19:20
DocScrutinizer05no need to start a poll on community like >>Should Tech Staff and/or Council Remove..<<19:20
DocScrutinizer05the whole thread is fubar19:21
kerioknown broken packages should be removed from -devel too19:21
keriohell, *the developer* should remove them ASAP19:21
thedead1440i'm not interfering with that too; as it is i've had enough of the Community sub-forum with being flamed for bs... sixwheeledbeast may want to try calling that thread's true purpose...19:21
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DocScrutinizer05title should have been >>last chance to rise technical objections against removal of *patch from extras and extras-testing<<19:22
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DocScrutinizer05I'd suggest to edit thread title, give it another 3 days for anybody to come up with technical concerns, then close thread and cal it a kill19:23
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sixwheeledbeastkerio: thedead1440: DocScrutinizer05: agreed, agreed, agreed.19:25
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thedead1440hmm *patch is to be removed from extras-devel too? I thought its going to be demoted to extras-devel for somebody interested to fix it?19:31
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DocScrutinizer05no, it's not supposed to get removed from extras-devel. We have very limited justification to remove *anything* from -devel19:33
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sixwheeledbeastOnly reference I can find is http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines#Conformance_and_handling_packaging_differences20:02
sixwheeledbeastthedead1440: and it needs fixing, why?20:02
thedead1440sixwheeledbeast: "if" anybody wants to promote it by fixing the licence violations, warning message etc...basically a politically correct answer ;)20:03
sixwheeledbeastupdate the postrm script to purge itself?20:04
thedead1440hehe20:04
thedead1440that may not be really bad20:05
thedead1440you would still get people saying their phones are so much more faster now20:05
thedead1440placebo effect and all...20:05
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sixwheeledbeastissue is if it could purge itself cleanly the package wouldn't be a big issue.20:06
thedead1440ah yes that's another problem...20:06
sixwheeledbeastit the being mislead I don't like.20:07
thedead1440indeed; almost everyone who had issues with it felt misled after all20:08
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sixwheeledbeastthis is on top of the issues with the package itself.20:10
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Drathirwhy the devel stuff cant be signed and maintain with trusted community/garage users?20:31
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Drathirand go to more stable repository tree the acces level of people who can editing will be upper?20:33
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lokimotiveyo20:54
Drathirhi20:57
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: estras-devel stuff is supposed to get promoted to extras-testing when the developer is sure that it reached production quality21:28
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DocScrutinizer05Drathir: stuff is extras-testing shall get tested (surprise, isn't it ;-D) by the testers, who are supposed to have a decent clue how to check for rogue stuff. IF the testers have checked the package and found it is ok, it can get promoted to extras repo21:30
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DocScrutinizer05alas for *patch this procedure failed to work on several levels21:30
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sixwheeled|awayfanboy issues. All the respected testers and devs voted against.21:32
sixwheeled|awayIMO a minimum Karma level to pkg rate could solve this. however this would bring up other issues.21:33
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: we're just trying to shape the "Matterhorn" on http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/graph_all_periods.php?h=www&m=load_one&r=2hr&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2&st=1364822289&g=mem_report&z=large&c=maemo22:48
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DocScrutinizer05;-D22:49
DocScrutinizer05https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matterhorn-EastAndNorthside-viewedFromZermatt_landscapeformat.jpg22:50
DocScrutinizer05probably changing the cache to blue color would help a lot22:50
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DocScrutinizer05or background blue, "cache/buffers" white, and "used" gray22:51
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