IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-03-25

GI_Jackwe'll see00:00
RiDi noticed many images with different fonts, letter placements, etc.00:00
GI_Jackthe actual keypad is a purely passive mechanical device00:00
GI_Jackso having a genuine nokia keyboard matters not00:00
GI_Jackthe actual buttons are on the motherboard00:00
RiDi know, but the fake ones are so ugly!00:00
GI_Jackthe ones I saw looked decent enough00:01
GI_Jackif you had enough talnet you could 3 print a new body for the n90000:01
GI_Jackwhen I get the new body, I am going to paint it00:01
GI_Jackthere will be a thread on maemo.org00:01
RiDpaint it with some fluorescent pink00:02
RiDbling bling00:02
GI_JackRID - neon orange and neon green00:02
RiDis that your actual idea00:02
GI_Jackyes00:02
GI_JackI paint flash drives like that00:02
RiDhaha00:02
GI_Jackand hand them out at hacker cons00:02
RiDwhen you mention neon, you mean glown in the dark?00:02
GI_Jackno, I mean krylon neon paint00:03
GI_Jackhttp://www.lifeandhome.com/11oz-yellow-orange-spray-paint.html?gclid=CIqy8_OtlrYCFcqd4AodX3AAsw00:04
GI_Jacksay it with krylon baby00:04
RiDultraviolet, i see00:04
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GI_JackI do it nice, I sand the flash drives down with a sander, wash them, dry them, thick coat of grey primer, let that set, and then either a base coat of green or orange(double coat actually)00:05
GI_Jackthen when it dries, I tear some masking tape, and cover the object, and then spray it twice with the other color00:05
GI_Jackand when that is done, a double coat of clear00:06
GI_Jacknow I just need a theme to go with it, so far I've found the theme customizer, and a nice orange green cammo wallpaper00:07
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RiDhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Direction-Numeric-Keypad-Key-Nokia-N900-/121019794590?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D6478216251093521991%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D121019794590%2600:10
RiDdoesn't look that bad00:10
RiDoh sorry for the huge link00:10
sixwheeledbeastwell if it went missing you would recognise it00:10
RiDhaha00:11
sixwheeledbeastbeware of theme customizer potentially buggy on repo versions00:11
GI_JackI don't care as long as it works00:13
GI_JackI do like the LED backlight, but with the LED backlight I really can't paint the keys00:13
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sixwheeledbeastanybody wish help a qt newbie, with a source file?00:18
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M4rtinKmodRana 0.41.1 has been released ! now with multi-map overlay support in the QML GUI :)00:20
M4rtinKfor more info, see the release post on TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1331462&postcount=131400:20
sixwheeledbeast41.4 or 40.1?00:21
sixwheeledbeasts/41.4/41.1/00:21
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: 41.1 or 40.1?00:21
ZogG_laptop M4rtinK \o/ yay00:21
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M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: oh, yeah a typo: 0.40.1 is correct00:25
M4rtinKsixwheeledbeast: thanks for the correction :)00:25
sixwheeledbeast:P00:25
sixwheeledbeastwouldn't want to miss a version.00:26
M4rtinKBTW, regarding modRanas version numbering - I just increment the version by 0.01 every time some significant feature is added00:26
M4rtinKsince 0.01 :)00:26
M4rtinKalso, all 0.04 - 0.40 changelogs are here: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/ChangelogEN :)00:31
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RiDthe machines are taking over! oh no!02:36
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ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/25/nokia_not_a_google_fan/09:57
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ShadowJKfreemangordon; benchmarking samsung 32g usd pro, same product line as your card10:54
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ShadowJK200-ish iops random, for a limited amount of time10:54
ShadowJKafter that it needs a seqwrite to get performance back10:54
ShadowJKInterestingly, the seqwrite in places runs as slow as 300kbyte/s (after randomwrite torture)10:55
ShadowJKand 12M (might be limit of sheevaplug) write on "clean" card10:55
ShadowJKit's interesting because it exhibits first-gen ssd type behaviours :-)10:56
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amospallaanybody has procps with cssu installed? I try, but they block each other11:17
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vi__1So uh, where is my sources.list supposed to point to these days?12:22
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vi__1what is the current address of the dev repo?12:41
vi__1I have:12:41
vi__1deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free12:41
vi__1Is this still correct?12:42
ShadowJKi think so12:42
vi__1mmmm12:42
vi__1Then why no modrana update for me?12:42
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vi__1fremantle-1.3 should be fremantle.12:46
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ShadowJKoh -1.3 was only in non-devel non-testing12:56
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kerioShadowJK: except there's no TRIM :(13:08
ShadowJKYes, well, they're too stupid for that13:09
ShadowJKand on the other side of the, scale we have intel's 3700 ssd that runs same speed always, trim or no trim13:10
kerioalso, couldn't we try to put some silly FS on a sd?13:10
ShadowJKyou mean like f2fs?13:11
* ShadowJK heard somewhere that swap files/partitions have a solidstate flage now13:11
kerioooh i didn't know that13:11
ShadowJKI bet it does something very stupid on non-ssd.13:11
keriohehe13:15
kerioprobably trying its best to do sequential writes, and doing "manual" garbage collection13:15
kerioi think that writing zeros sequentially on the n900's emmc is really, really fast13:16
ShadowJKnah I suspect it treats it like a ssd and writes randomly all over :P13:16
keriohm13:17
keriothat's not what our "solid state" drives do13:17
keriothey kinda suck at random writes13:17
kerioand sequential writes13:18
kerioand seeking13:18
kerio._.13:18
ShadowJKEverywhere in kernel, solidstate usually means it acts like ram13:18
kerioShadowJK: make us a ram-based uSD! :(13:18
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vi__1Does anyone know anything about the Modrana map source configuration file?13:25
vi__1Specifically how to supply parameters to URLs?13:25
vi__1I want to use this map:13:25
vi__1protocol="http" host="ecn.t1.tiles.virtualearth.net" path="/tiles/r{quadIndex}.png" query="g=41&productSet=mmOS"13:25
vi__1Except modrana provides no method to supply the parameters: g=41&productSet=mmOS13:26
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: infobot dead13:47
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SpeedEvilkerio: I've been wanting that for a while. at least a partial ram based SD. say 24g flash, 2 ram14:36
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vi__1Not going to happen.14:40
vi__1Who would buy such a thing?14:40
SpeedEvilme.14:40
kerion900 owners!14:40
vi__1Aside from a small subset of n900 owners!14:40
SpeedEviloh, I know the issues14:40
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vi__1Don't get me wrong, I would buy 1 in around 0.002uS.14:41
SpeedEvilthough of course, the dearth of new devices with a microsd,..14:48
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ShadowJKThe fanciest new (u)SDs consists of SLC cache and TLC bulk storage16:48
ShadowJKon this samsung card, the SLC part seems pretty huge16:49
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DocScrutinizer05dang netsplits16:52
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: thanks16:52
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thedead1440np good to see you take a break from IRC for a day :D16:53
DocScrutinizer05sick16:54
thedead1440oh rest then16:54
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infobotSince Mon Mar 25 14:52:24 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 3m 40s this session, and currently reference 119004 factoids.  I'm using about 18508 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2.15/0.14 child 0.01/016:56
thedead1440oh there is a #meego channel; i wonder what's up in it16:56
ShadowJKheh, not much16:57
thedead1440ah, was wondering that; there is one for mer and nemo so what purpose meego serves then :D16:59
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DocScrutinizer05well, check chanlogs ;-P17:08
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: hehe it is competing with #n9 for most dead chan :D17:15
DocScrutinizer05well, even #harmattan had scaring dead times recently17:16
DocScrutinizer05>1 days without any msg17:16
thedead1440yeah true17:16
thedead1440but now that i'm there i'll keep it noisy :D :D17:17
DocScrutinizer05you lifted a N950 somewhere?17:17
DocScrutinizer05;-P17:17
thedead1440haha no; i just have a big mouth in general :D17:19
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thedead1440ivgalvez: hi; been a long time; hope all is fine and tidy :)18:02
ivgalvezThanks18:02
ivgalvezglad to see you18:02
ivgalvezwell I'm freezing to death here18:02
thedead1440in ireland?18:02
ivgalvezyep18:03
ivgalvezand the apartment that I rented doesn't have a very good heating system18:03
thedead1440ouch18:03
ivgalvezbut I'm starting to have everything under control now18:03
thedead1440ah that's good18:04
ivgalvezI've been reading some of the latest drama18:04
thedead1440its the daily soap of maemo as usual :D18:05
ivgalvezhaha18:05
ivgalvezyep18:05
thedead1440at least DocScrutinizer05 chose to resume being maemo-administrator. for the remaining things; meh people will be tired eventually :D18:07
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ivgalvezare you mainatining scratchbox.org?18:08
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thedead1440the VM on maemo yes but the domain i've no news18:08
thedead1440i've sent like ~5 reminders to Jussi (spelling?) but no reply :(18:08
ivgalvezdo you have Jussy's email?18:08
ivgalvezhe's owner of the domain18:08
thedead1440yeah i've asked him if he could point it to our infra or anything he suggests as well as giving him maintainer-ship account on the new VM if he wants but he simply isn't replying18:09
ivgalvezwell, he might be busy, keep pushing!!18:10
thedead1440hehe sure18:10
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discopiglol18:12
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ivgalvezmmm, I'm trying to upgrade some packages and I keep receiving a corrupted tar files, applications with 0Kb size...18:15
ivgalvezI think the repo is borked18:15
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thedead1440ivgalvez: which packages? report it to jacekowski or DocScrutinizer0518:21
DocScrutinizer05me?18:22
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991 is repo meintainer18:22
ivgalvezI'm still checking, but I had problems with latest cutetube, modrana, gpsp... maybe it's something in my package database18:23
ivgalvezHi DocScrutinizer0518:23
ivgalveznice to see you18:23
DocScrutinizer05nah, I think somebody ran a job on repo which borked several packages again18:23
DocScrutinizer05hi ivgalvez, nice to see you too18:23
Woody14619Yay.  Ivgalvez is here. :)  Things going well on your end I hope? :)18:24
DocScrutinizer05or they are still legacy errors from migration nokia->nemein, or even older18:24
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ivgalvezHi Woody1421918:25
ivgalvezeverything OK18:25
* Woody14619 wonders how many automated scripts are still out there borking things. 18:25
ivgalvezexcept for upgrading packages18:25
ivgalvez error on multiple packages with "dpkg error ... corrupted filesyste tarfile - corrupted package archive"18:25
Woody14619May need to call for a cleanout (or at least full review) of all things cron/atd18:25
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DocScrutinizer05I think some rsync done back in 2012 went terribly wrong, and nobody checked the errors it threw18:27
keriomodrana is recent, though18:28
DocScrutinizer05mhm, good info18:28
ivgalvez all recent upgrades from today/yesterday18:28
thedead1440i upgraded cutetube only yesterday w/o issues18:29
DocScrutinizer05pester merlin1991 about it, who in turn might pester jacekowsky or whomever18:29
ivgalvezCutetube, openmediaplayer, modrana gone for good after the error in installation18:29
DocScrutinizer05I stopped close surveillance and coordination of everything I come across18:29
thedead1440maybe something changed today? the first 2 i upgraded yesterday fine while i don't have modrana personally18:30
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thedead1440ivgalvez: try installing/upgrading them individually maybe? it may help to narrow down to whether all are borked or only one...18:30
Woody14619ivgalvez: In a pinch, MartinK has his own repo setup for modrana.18:30
Woody14619He set it up while the repos were down, and still updates it AFAIK.18:31
ivgalveznope, any package I try to install from repositories end up with the same error18:31
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: ask for changes done today then. You know where, and whom to ask. While I just had to bitch about missing coordination if actually something changed today18:31
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ivgalvezcan anyone try to install one recent application from repo and chek if it installs OK? but do it with something that you can live without18:32
* Woody14619 will attempt to update modrana... one sec18:32
Woody14619need to do an update...  Changed it to manual a while back, so out of date here.18:33
DocScrutinizer05BM!18:33
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thedead1440hmm i just purged cutetube and tried installing it; installation went fine w/o errors18:36
Woody14619crap.. modtrana wants to pull half the universe with it.  Apparently beena while since I updated it.18:36
ivgalvezbe careful18:36
thedead1440Woody14619: hehe i saw and skipped installing it for the same reason too :D18:37
Woody14619yeah... I'm installing cutetube now. :)18:37
ivgalvezI have broken all the packages that I have downloaded18:37
Woody14619Or not.. crap.  It wants the universe too.. :P18:37
Woody14619What was the third one?18:37
thedead1440openmediaplayer18:37
ivgalvezto me it happens with ANY package18:38
ivgalvezI think I have broken the system for good now18:38
Woody14619check your free space?18:38
ivgalvezmore than enough18:39
Woody14619hmmm... I had a similar thing once when syslog ate my drive without me realizing it.18:39
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Woody14619am updating ffmpeg right now, since that's the heart of cutetube updates I think.  Seems to be going fine...18:40
Woody14619are you pointing to the right place?  What IP do you get when you ping repos.maemo.org?18:41
thedead1440ivgalvez: maybe remove the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists and then do a proper update?18:41
DocScrutinizer05NEVER remove anything, rename instead!18:41
DocScrutinizer05and do a BM backup!!18:42
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: those are package lists for repos18:42
ivgalvezat this moment the backup is useless, so no one has problems with repos?18:43
Woody14619I have a BM backup from yesterday, thus my willingness to try it. :)18:45
Woody14619cutetube install seems to have gone fine?  It whines about some qt package issues (old depenancies conflicting) but packages are good.18:48
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ivgalveznah, then is my device18:52
ivgalvezrestoring with BM now18:52
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ivgalvezcan anyone paste me the links for flasher and firmware images? I don't have my main computer with me19:02
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keriomaemo.jacekowski.org19:04
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kerioivgalvez: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/ binary/firmware/ (not sure if the full link should be posted)19:04
freemangordonanyone glib here? does it make sense to check boxed type before calling g_boxed_free? Is that even possible (getting the type from a pointer to boxed object)?19:05
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ivgalvezthanks kerio19:09
keriothere's probably a more "official" place, but that one's just convenient :)19:09
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ivgalvezdo you know where can I download flasher for Windows?19:13
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez: ~skeiron19:13
ivgalvezI only have Windows here :/19:13
kerioivgalvez: debian.org19:13
DocScrutinizer05~skeiron19:13
infobotmethinks skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/   http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post131514319:13
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DocScrutinizer05Maemo 5 for Nokia N900  -> Command line flasher binaries are available here.19:14
DocScrutinizer05seems Nokia and HiFo missed completely to take care about this and nearby content19:15
DocScrutinizer05and community missed to point HiFo to it?19:16
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ivgalvezthanks DocScrutinizer0519:19
ivgalvezI have to download everything again as I don't have my main computer here in Dublin19:19
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez:19:21
DocScrutinizer05~pr13119:21
infobotrumour has it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin  or  http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin19:21
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez: ^^^ will save you SSU upgrade Pr1.3->Pr1.3.119:24
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: with the same VANILLA?19:24
lastaidhello there :)19:24
DocScrutinizer05yep19:24
DocScrutinizer05vanilla hasn't changed since... err... 1.1?19:24
ivgalvezthanks19:24
lastaidi am having issues with my glorioous n900 already installed the 1.3 community edition of maemo and everything, but i cannot get any twitter client or anything social working on my phone19:25
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ivgalvezbut BM worked as a charm, God bless Robbie1st19:25
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DocScrutinizer05indeed19:27
DocScrutinizer05BM for all time most useful app ever19:27
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DocScrutinizer05I'd vote for CSSU including BM to core apps mandatory on every device (it already is mandatory for CSSU anyway;-D ), and HiFo donating a special award to robbiethe1st19:30
DocScrutinizer05wait, council is the entity to donate any award, HiFo is just the entity to finance it ;-)19:32
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Woody14619Actually, Robbiethe1st did get a CA award, for just this reason.  He was one of like 3 that were in the "duh" catagory for getting one. ;)19:34
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DocScrutinizer05may I ask what that award been?19:37
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DocScrutinizer05I'd think we should donate a (spare) N900 to robbiethe1st19:40
DocScrutinizer05just to keep him doing service for BM, even in case his primary N900 breaks or gets lost19:41
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GeneralAntillesWhat's falk's username on maemo.org?21:02
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DocScrutinizer05hmm21:37
DocScrutinizer05warfare?21:38
DocScrutinizer05falk?21:38
DocScrutinizer05falkstern?21:38
DocScrutinizer05warfare: ^^^21:38
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DocScrutinizer05IRC(freenode): warfare21:40
DocScrutinizer05IRC(ircnet): falk21:40
DocScrutinizer05talk.maemo.org: fstern21:40
DocScrutinizer05garage.maemo.org: fstern21:40
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: ^^^21:41
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RiDstalker!21:42
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DocScrutinizer05if googling falk stern is stalking, then yes22:22
DocScrutinizer05google for xing as well, while you're at it22:22
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kerioNIN101: what's the version of ubimkvol in rescueos 1.0?22:34
DocScrutinizer05NIN101: would you mind me edit your rescueOS readme?22:37
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kerioah this is crap, there's no mkfs.ubifs22:38
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kerioNIN101: there's no mkfs.ubifs!22:39
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kerioNIN101: where the hell did you get these ubiutils from22:46
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NIN101DocScrutinizer05: go ahead.22:53
NIN101kerio: may come in the next version...22:54
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keriowell i barely rescued my rootfs :(22:54
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kerioNIN101: it's in mtd-utils22:56
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NIN101yeah, it'll come in the next version...22:58
keriowhy is there no help, dammit22:58
kerio:(22:58
DocScrutinizer05kerio: as long as there's a wget ;-)23:01
DocScrutinizer05NIN101: I "mirrored" your stuff on maemo-cloud-7.de23:01
keriocan someone check what's the Volume ID reported by `ubinfo -a` for rootfs?23:02
kerioor, if possible, pastebin the output of `ubinfo -a`23:03
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vi_I am trying to update mp-fremantle-community-pr but apt keeps complaining that I need to update upstart and rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait! wtf.  I already have the latest upstart?23:06
vi_??23:06
vi_?23:06
keriowell apparently not?23:06
NIN101kerio: sorry, no ubinfo anywhere atm.23:08
NIN101DocScrutinizer05: What exactly do you want to do :-)?23:09
DocScrutinizer05augment it a bit23:09
kerioNIN101: sudo apt-get install mtd-utils23:09
DocScrutinizer05I think it's too terse23:09
kerioit's in extras-devel23:09
DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/cc2ab35a8323:10
kerio<323:11
DocScrutinizer05:)23:11
keriomeh, i suppose that it's ok how i made it23:12
kerioi'm leaving 34 eraseblocks "free"23:12
kerioi don't know how ubi handles bad physical eraseblocks23:12
kerioi have one of those :(23:12
DocScrutinizer05it marks it as bad (by a bitpattern that's supposed to get recognized even on partially bad blocks afaik), and allocates a spare block from the free ones23:13
kerioso the read/write address is automatically translated? neat23:13
DocScrutinizer05afaik yes23:13
vi_what are you doing kerio?23:14
keriovi_: disabled compression on rootfs23:14
kerioit feels a bit snappier but i don't know if it's wishful thinking/confirmation bias23:14
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DocScrutinizer05probably a very poor choice23:16
keriowhy?23:16
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# du -hxs /23:16
DocScrutinizer05323M    /23:16
keriouser@kerio900:~$ sudo du -hsx /23:17
kerio196.9M/23:17
kerioso...23:17
kerioyeah23:17
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# df -h /23:17
DocScrutinizer05Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% EingehÃĪngt auf23:17
DocScrutinizer05ubi0:rootfs           228M  168M   57M  75% /23:17
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kerioubi0:rootfs           224M  180M   40M  82% /23:18
kerioquite comparable, really :)23:18
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kerioa lot comes from locale-archive23:19
kerioi think23:19
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keriooh, and the browser23:22
keriowhich then shows scrollbars in Conversations :s23:22
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