| jacekowski | sixwheeledbeast: i've just found another issue with autobuilder | 00:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | oh... | 00:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the log from my last attempt was odd | 00:01 |
| jacekowski | yep | 00:01 |
| jacekowski | permissions issue | 00:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah I wait a bit then | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | it's failing to copy stuff and update results folder | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | so buildme is copying back old results | 00:02 |
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| jacekowski | sixwheeledbeast: you can upload again | 00:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | jacekowski: done | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | wait | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | ahm | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | ok | 00:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wait..what? | 00:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :P | 00:09 |
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| jacekowski | how long does it take to build? | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | i386 build failed | 00:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm | 00:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I dunno if that's my package or what. I am not sure how to fix. | 00:14 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | must be, it's not liking the about dialog page for some reason. | 00:16 |
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| jacekowski | disable i386 build? | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | nobody is using it anyways | 00:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | not sure how | 00:25 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I don't get it I can build i386 in scratchbox fine... | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | i'll look at it tomorrow | 01:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok, I am off to bed soon so I'll leave it for now too. | 01:17 |
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| Drathir | hi | 02:05 |
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| jacekowski | Drathir: ho | 02:13 |
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| rlinfati | Wrong checksum during receive of 'http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/w/wide-dhcpv6/wide-dhcpv6-client_20080615-11.1maemo1_armel.deb' | 02:14 |
| rlinfati | also wide-dhcpv6-relay and wide-dhcpv6-server | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | what where when? | 02:15 |
| rlinfati | jacekowski, | 02:15 |
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| rlinfati | md5 expected: 0a0fd6406f9f9eb1aee0e7172871cb91, got: 257e4779510df16e93b91313ba1b0314 | 02:15 |
| rlinfati | sha1 expected: 53f4df456b4093dc5a8c159c1a4bf5afb5a9ba56, got: e1d4a299432b09212ea40119f71023f2d84560e2 | 02:15 |
| rlinfati | sha256 expected: 0f1b867680313b9a16177f0660bbc020cc02a40efc863effc7bf3976503503d8, got: e7a1f789aefa4ecdf7fb16523f772a477221d98b5ce0f84b52e40b2c18850e6e | 02:15 |
| rlinfati | size expected: 98066, got: 98076 | 02:15 |
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| jacekowski | ffs | 02:17 |
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| jacekowski | ahh | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | that explains some things | 02:26 |
| rlinfati | ehh ? | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | apt-ftpmirror has problems with same versions | 02:29 |
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| jacekowski | rlinfati: everything should be ok in ~hour | 02:38 |
| rlinfati | thanks | 02:39 |
| Drathir | btw pacserve is great things... | 02:47 |
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| Macer | go figure | 03:11 |
| Macer | 2013 | 03:11 |
| Macer | and a "supported sane scanner" | 03:12 |
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| Macer | doesn't work lol | 03:12 |
| Macer | GO LINUX! :) | 03:12 |
| Drathir | usb host mode? | 03:17 |
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| Drathir | fail sorry | 03:32 |
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| Macer | ever find out what was wrong with maemo.org DocScrutinizer05 ? | 06:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Macer: sorry? | 06:52 |
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| Macer | the high load | 06:57 |
| Macer | nm | 06:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, the high load mainly seen on www? | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's caused by cronjobs for autobuilder etc, and I think those jobs need a proper refactoring to remove some parallelism | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's insane when a job needs >6GB of memory(!) to proceed. And the high load is probbaly just a side effect of this | 07:27 |
| Cor-Ai | 6GB? damn :P | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, even apt/yum are happy with a few 100MB of RAM to build a complete dependency datastructure of all packages available in a full linux distro. I can't imagine any task in maemo that would need to handle more complex and thus larger datastructures | 07:29 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: database preloading? | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: yes, probably | 07:30 |
| Hurrian | TMO is huge. | 07:30 |
| Hurrian | Frickin' huge. | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is unrelated to www | 07:30 |
| Hurrian | ah | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably all related to package interface | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 07:32 |
| infobot | hmm... pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 07:32 |
| Hurrian | is the pkg queue that long? | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, this probably accesses db VM via remote mysql queries done in php jobs on www VM | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if each such php-mysql interface loads a complete view of a nonsensical query of db, this will hog RAM for sure, if those jobs run in parallel for several packages | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | php-mysql "SELECT * on maemo_packages" --> damage done | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it's THAT bad, but you get the idea | 07:35 |
| Hurrian | it could be that bad. | 07:36 |
| Hurrian | assuming the dev is doing their job properly, the PHP script could simply directly access the column for that package. | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I say the jobs on www need a refactoring | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is a very common mistake done by devels accessing db, they are not aware of what actually happens on machine when they do SQL queries etc | 07:38 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: god way to setup builider to few 2-4 cores if is 8cores all | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have no problems with builder | 07:40 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: compile always tale a lots of ram more than installing apps i think... | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=builder1& | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://213.128.137.6/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=www& | 07:41 |
| Hurrian | checking the heatmap, www is really getting hammered. | 07:43 |
| Hurrian | oh, and there seems to be load spikes every 20 minutes or so. | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cronjobs | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every 15 I think | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a monster one every hour | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather every 30min | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it takes 20min to eat up to 6GB of RAM, then collapses | 07:46 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: not looks so bad, but drive space is on the edge... anyway when something is build is only one package or few in one time? | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | builder doesn't need drivespace | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I think builder is building aone package at a time, from queue | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in former times we had like 5 or 10 builder engines | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which again is giving us errors right now, since there's no more user builder2 for example, but scripts occasionally still use that | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski is fixing all that | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | during last week or so | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kudos to jacekowski | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but there's obviously still a lot left over to cleanup | 07:51 |
| Drathir | yea when have a ram all take and handle inside ram... | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo.org machinery seen massive restructuring when nemein ported it from Nokia infra to their own infra, and nobody ever fixed all that stuff before jacekowski looked into it | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we have two problems: understanding how stuff been meant to work before migration#1 (to nemein), and understand and implement how to fix stuff so it work *now* on new infra after migration#2 | 07:55 |
| Drathir | that the worst... not touching if works when must somthing do after longthat is a hard workaround.... and when moving is added that is really scarry thing | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it often is a game of "who's faster - you with searching for the existing script that did XY before it got disabled, or I with writing a new script that re-implements same function" | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | documentation on all that: zero | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually not even much in header comment of shell/php-scripts | 07:59 |
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| Drathir | documentatikon changed with people working on server because i think all people was own way to maanage the server... | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for example I asked Nemein 3 days ago how to create new developer accounts. We have no clue, though we guss there must be a script or even a web frontend for that | 08:06 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i have similar when helping to care and develop game server... | 08:14 |
| Drathir | but that was smal and there is a huge... | 08:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I fixed some users ssh pubkey on a few VMs, only to learn it gets reset to old after w while. Obviously the master copy of pubkey is stored in db and gets deployed to ~/.ssh/auth*keys every 15min by some unknown cronjob | 08:21 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thats is interesting in db mean mysql? | 08:29 |
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| Drathir | i also have keys in file that contains a list of keys files... ssh keys with keychain is great connection... | 08:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: yes, db VM is our central mysql database | 08:45 |
| Drathir | doc thats amazing idea for me... and also work... great idea... | 08:48 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: * | 08:48 |
| Drathir | big brains can do amazing things... | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, without any documentation such things are way more scary and puzzling than amazing | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whole maemo.org internals is a constant "WTF?!" | 08:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | much of it introduced by midgrad | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | midgard even | 08:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. we have no idea how to edit content of http://www.maemo.org | 08:55 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: bubut the moment when thinking what the hell that works should be interesting... | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a web frontend supposed to be somewhere for that, since midgard is a CMS I've been told. Nobody has a clue where to look for such web frontend though | 08:56 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: and looking all files should take a years... :/ | 08:57 |
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| Drathir | i sometimes have that i dont know how i do somethings, but it works like i want... a | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on a maybe somewhat interesting sidenote: we're running those 45CPU/14hosts on maemo.orh with a total of ~200W | 09:23 |
| kerio | who's paying for the electricity? iphh? | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | their donation to us | 09:24 |
| kerio | <3 | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *yawn* spam-day on council.m.o ML | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess our spamassassin needs an update | 09:26 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: you joke right? | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 09:29 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: with 200W power | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know how joge is written | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PSU1: 98W, PSU2:86W | 09:30 |
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| Drathir | lol | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to IPMI | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know how to spell "joge" (sorry for my french) | 09:34 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: interesting what motherboard there are... | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't you ask same question a few days ago already? | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Operational_Platform | 09:36 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thats all is perfect organized... | 09:46 |
| Drathir | i think that a much bigger hard drives... | 09:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 09:51 |
| Drathir | for all data i think there must be bigger hdd butisnt that... | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our primary data fits onto 2TB | 09:55 |
| Drathir | all hdd is less than 3TB on that big community is not bad i think | 09:56 |
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| Drathir | i trying to setup xen in little home server but he bite with qemu :/ | 09:58 |
| Drathir | btw that ganglia looks little modern that munin... | 09:59 |
| Drathir | than* | 09:59 |
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| Drathir | WIP = work in progres? | 10:00 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: i find a bug on site one core somewhere hide... in section Cpu Cores, RAM (in MB), storage (DISK, in GB), of the VMs | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably one core is reserved for dom0 | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WIP is work in progress, yes | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that table is not exactly up-to-date, it's at least one week behind | 10:17 |
| jacekowski | and i can tell you exactly which job updates authorized_keys | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 10:18 |
| jacekowski | */10 * * * * $EXECUTER dav-svn/create_users.php /var/www/homedirs/ | 10:18 |
| Drathir | i think that small amount of cores to db only 2 ? little suprised me... | 10:18 |
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| jacekowski | mysql is pretty fast | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: we can juggle CPUs as we need | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even during runtime | 10:19 |
| jacekowski | you can have 10kq/s on single not so fast core | 10:19 |
| jacekowski | if you have reasonable queries | 10:19 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 10:20 |
| jacekowski | i've got to go | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah! only then | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya jacekowski | 10:20 |
| Drathir | jacekowski: thanks a lot i write that because that really interesting me... | 10:24 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: all earlier infrastructure alo was on xen containers ? | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably not, though we have no way to know for sure | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we had no access to any internals prior to Nemein completing migration#1 | 10:27 |
| kerio | hm, how does adding a cpu to a running system even work? :o | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since originally maemo.org been mixed with other Nokia proprietary stuff on same machines, so they couldn't allow access for us | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I guess that's a question for XEN faq | 10:29 |
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| kerio | mmcblk0: error 1 sending read/write command, response 0x0, card status 0x900 | 10:30 |
| kerio | oh shit | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd suspect the virtual CPUs get "hotplugged" | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohshit indeed | 10:30 |
| kerio | doing a fsck -c | 10:32 |
| kerio | on the important partition | 10:32 |
| kerio | luckily, i have errors=remount-ro :) | 10:32 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: vcpu hotplug is a mess and not really well implemented | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: and it's one way only | 10:34 |
| Drathir | what i read the most interestings was xen and openvz system, but dont know if its true... | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | it's just xen | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nayway, CPU grunt obviously isn't our main concern on maemo.org infra | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jobs eating 6GB while running... that's a real problem | 10:37 |
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| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: do you use maemo conversation IM ? | 10:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hm, a fsck -c updated the bad blocks list | 10:43 |
| kerio | hopefully it's ok now | 10:43 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: sharing memor cache if works was be good but when compile i dont know if its possible and second part myst bee running min 2 compiling works to have fenefit of them... | 10:44 |
| Drathir | benefits* | 10:45 |
| Drathir | kerio: what files system is used? | 10:46 |
| XATRIX | How can i disable sound/vibra notifications for IMs while i'm in DnD mode ? | 10:47 |
| XATRIX | Also is it possible to initiate skype-video calls from the handset ? | 10:48 |
| XATRIX | Also, there's a 'Advanced Power app' that shows the percentage of the batter, and time to discharge, as i was told about , it provides some 'ticks' that will cause me battery charge, as the cpu does the updates | 10:50 |
| thedead1440 | XATRIX: for no sound/vibra choose silent without vibrate. For skype-video just select a contact who can receive a skype video call and there'll be an option to select skype video call | 10:50 |
| XATRIX | But the default one indicator does that 'ticks' also, so i think it's equal to | 10:50 |
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| XATRIX | thedead1440: I can't skype-video anyone, doesn't matter is he able to receive or not | 10:51 |
| XATRIX | Simply no way to initiate call with video | 10:51 |
| thedead1440 | XATRIX: shouldn't be so; i've initiated skype video calls several times | 10:51 |
| thedead1440 | ask someone to call you via skype video | 10:51 |
| XATRIX | I can only enable video during the call that was made from the outside of | 10:51 |
| thedead1440 | then try if selecting that person from recent calls shows skype video | 10:52 |
| XATRIX | thedead1440: 'ask someone to call' :) that way it works :) | 10:52 |
| thedead1440 | ah | 10:52 |
| thedead1440 | for me it works either way | 10:52 |
| XATRIX | I need to be able to make video-calls by myself | 10:52 |
| thedead1440 | usually i initiate it from contacts app myself | 10:52 |
| XATRIX | Alright i'll try now | 10:52 |
| XATRIX | You're right, it's possible to start video call from the contacts | 10:56 |
| thedead1440 | :) | 10:56 |
| XATRIX | I tried it from 'last calls' | 10:56 |
| thedead1440 | ah that's not accurate then | 10:56 |
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| XATRIX | You know, when you open your phone app | 10:56 |
| thedead1440 | last calls shows the number that called you and allows you to call back that number | 10:56 |
| XATRIX | Yea | 10:56 |
| XATRIX | What about the dnd more ? | 10:56 |
| thedead1440 | f.e. a contact of mine has 3 numbers and calls me from the first number when i want to call back only the first number is allowed | 10:56 |
| XATRIX | If you disable sound/vibra in Profiles | 10:57 |
| XATRIX | It will disable sound completely | 10:57 |
| thedead1440 | yup | 10:57 |
| XATRIX | I need to disable sound/vibra/notifications for IM while i'm in 'Red' dnd mode | 10:57 |
| XATRIX | All the other sounds (non-IM) should work as well | 10:58 |
| thedead1440 | hmm not sure of that but just choose general profile then with no vibra and silent the im volume | 10:58 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: If i set the output power of wifi from 100mW -> 10mW will it help to save charge ? | 10:59 |
| XATRIX | thedead1440: Not a best way, if use go Silent, you're completely out of notifications | 10:59 |
| thedead1440 | you don't want notifications for IM right? So in general silencing IM allows you to have all other notifications except for IM right? | 11:00 |
| XATRIX | Yeap, it's should be as you discribed | 11:01 |
| XATRIX | Currently if i'm in DND mode for IM, i'm still have all the notifications enabled | 11:01 |
| thedead1440 | yeah so go to settings->profiles-> and in the general tab lower down the volume for IM | 11:01 |
| XATRIX | But there's simply no chat opens while you receive the messages | 11:01 |
| Drathir | AD-N770: better than wi fi i think dimm lcd lightning... | 11:02 |
| thedead1440 | DND mode doesn't affect your system profile. Think of the availability as a status to show not for your phone to act on. | 11:02 |
| XATRIX | Nope, if you decrease the volume for IM in settings, you simply disable the sound , and for BOTH modes, Online+DND | 11:02 |
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| thedead1440 | ah that's what you mean | 11:02 |
| XATRIX | Yeap | 11:02 |
| XATRIX | It should act like the desktop does | 11:03 |
| thedead1440 | i think you would have to use dbus to get the status and then change the volumes. Not sure but check Phone Control | 11:03 |
| thedead1440 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 11:03 |
| XATRIX | If you're in DND - no popup notifications, no sound notif. no visual. But the main sounds works, as well as the sound of other apps | 11:03 |
| thedead1440 | no idea how to make that work. Like I said DND on device is simply meant to show others your status but not something for your phone to act on | 11:04 |
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| XATRIX | You gotta be kidding me, :) i'm not dev. It's like a SDK for dev guys :) | 11:04 |
| thedead1440 | Well if you want to customize things you should be willing to learn, shouldn't you? "_" | 11:05 |
| XATRIX | :) | 11:06 |
| XATRIX | Yea, but if i want to customize things, i don't have to actually become a coder :) | 11:06 |
| * XATRIX starts to recall in memory the years of C++/asm | 11:06 | |
| Drathir | AD-N770: sorry tabfail | 11:11 |
| thedead1440 | From what i understand of things IM status was not meant to affect your phone. This is carried on in the N9 too. I can have multiple IM accounts and change each of their status' separately. So if you want to do something that wasn't an intention then you'll certainly have to work-around it :) AFAIK dbus signals are the way to go sadly. On the n9 i gave up on dbus and used mc-tool when i wanted to read the current status of specific accounts; | 11:11 |
| thedead1440 | maybe something similar on the n900 could help | 11:11 |
| XATRIX | Yea | 11:11 |
| XATRIX | Thanks anyway | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: Wifi power 10/100 doesn't make much of a difference in real life | 11:16 |
| XATRIX | I think even 10 percent of power should drastically drain cell | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 11:17 |
| XATRIX | Every +10% i think affects greatly on charge | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, WIFI isn't using much energy from battery, since it's not sending all the time, and even if it would, 100mW are not really that much | 11:18 |
| XATRIX | Are you sure ? Even stationary WIFI access-points, use 100mW | 11:20 |
| XATRIX | But it has a PSU ~1-2A 5V | 11:20 |
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| jacekowski | that's for the CPU and other things | 11:22 |
| XATRIX | And N900 use no CPU ? :) | 11:24 |
| XATRIX | Or you mean it should also power up FEthernet port, and the whole base board itself inside the access-point ? | 11:25 |
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| XATRIX | Where the files for localization /etc/systemui/systemiu.xml ? | 11:33 |
| XATRIX | "powerup_memainmenu_poweroff" and etc... | 11:33 |
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| rooster_rus | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ is dead for me. Where else I can get firmware images? | 11:39 |
| thedead1440 | ~skeiron | 11:39 |
| infobot | i guess skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 11:39 |
| thedead1440 | rooster_rus: ^^^ | 11:40 |
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| rooster_rus | thanks a lot | 11:43 |
| thedead1440 | np | 11:43 |
| XATRIX | mmc1: new high speed MMC card at address 0001 - it's a simple SD card inside the handset ? Or it's a soldered die on MB ? | 11:45 |
| divVerent | when the video player refuses a file... is there a way to get a more exact error message? | 11:46 |
| divVerent | like, "This codec is not supported" or "This parameter violates H.264 Level 3.0"? | 11:46 |
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| divVerent | one way might be using gst-launch to get a similar playback chain running... has anyone done that yet? | 11:46 |
| divVerent | (I don't know how to access the HW decoder via gst-launch) | 11:47 |
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| divVerent | 10:16:03 DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: Wifi power 10/100 doesn't make much of a difference in real life | 11:47 |
| divVerent | makes virtually none at all | 11:48 |
| divVerent | because it just sets the max power | 11:48 |
| divVerent | and wifi is already designed to always use the "minimum possible without too much loss" | 11:48 |
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| divVerent | so by limiting to 10, either nothing changes, OR you will get more packet loss and/or leave the network | 11:48 |
| divVerent | only in the latter case you'd actually save power :P | 11:48 |
| XATRIX | divVerent: never heard about sucha a "design" | 11:48 |
| divVerent | the wifi power management always does it | 11:49 |
| divVerent | transmit power is dynamically adjusted while you are inside | 11:49 |
| divVerent | the farther you are from the AP, the higher is the power | 11:49 |
| XATRIX | Hmm | 11:49 |
| divVerent | it dynamically adjusst based on measurements e.g. of signal/noise ratio of the AP's signal | 11:49 |
| divVerent | so to get most battery drain, run a download with the N900 in a partial faraday cage, blocking as much of the signal as you can without interrupting the download ;) | 11:50 |
| divVerent | on normal linux systems you actually can watch the power adjustment in iwconfig, have not checked that on the N900 yet | 11:50 |
| XATRIX | hmm | 11:51 |
| divVerent | also, the N900 has generally quite good wifi reception compared to the iPhone 4, at least it shows a LOT more networks when scanning ;) | 11:51 |
| XATRIX | maybe you have a point | 11:51 |
| XATRIX | Acer Aspire One d255e | 11:52 |
| XATRIX | wlan0 Power Management:off | 11:52 |
| XATRIX | Link Quality=70/70 Signal level=-38 dBm | 11:52 |
| XATRIX | and | 11:52 |
| XATRIX | Bit Rate=65 Mb/s Tx-Power=19 dBm | 11:52 |
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| divVerent | in case it does NOT auto adjust, you may be able to tell the chipset to do it by iwconfig wlan0 txpower auto | 11:53 |
| divVerent | but if it's 19 for you, it probably IS audo adjusted | 11:53 |
| divVerent | I currently have 20 dBm transmit power and 41/100 link quality, it clearly is at the max power level | 11:53 |
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| XATRIX | Hm | 11:55 |
| XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/hH5j/ - that's for my N900 | 11:55 |
| divVerent | 10dBm is 10mW | 11:56 |
| divVerent | 20dBm is 100mW | 11:56 |
| divVerent | so you currently are limited to 10mW and the signal is good | 11:56 |
| XATRIX | And actually i've powered it down maually to 10mW | 11:56 |
| XATRIX | So, switching to 100 | 11:56 |
| divVerent | it also may take a while to adjust, and I am not sure if you can always see the txpower difference | 11:57 |
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| XATRIX | Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm | 11:58 |
| XATRIX | Power Management:on | 11:59 |
| XATRIX | Link Quality=70/100 Signal level:-49 dBm Noise level=-86 dBm | 11:59 |
| divVerent | I am currently trying to see if txpower actually changes | 11:59 |
| divVerent | or if one can't see what the card internally does | 11:59 |
| divVerent | I know the chips DO the txpower management, but I am trying to see how to find out | 11:59 |
| XATRIX | Passed a minute still 20dBm | 12:00 |
| divVerent | yes, same here, wondering if one can even ask the actual power | 12:01 |
| XATRIX | That's the difference bettern 100mW (http://fpaste.org/UaoM/) and 10mW (http://fpaste.org/hH5j/) | 12:01 |
| divVerent | from "iw": | 12:01 |
| divVerent | dev <devname> set txpower <auto|fixed|limit> [<tx power in mBm>] | 12:01 |
| divVerent | Specify transmit power level and setting type. | 12:01 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: maybe you'll pay some interest as well | 12:01 |
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| divVerent | basically, similar quality level... I would guess also similar actual txpower :P | 12:02 |
| XATRIX | Yep, but i suppose it to adjust automatically | 12:02 |
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| teotwaki | "When i connect to the manager with username/passwod and i try to regenerate the setup contact and i see the the wheel that round but i never see the green writing of success. I also can't see in the console the indicator." | 12:02 |
| teotwaki | Gotta love some bug reports | 12:02 |
| XATRIX | Yeap, but with 10mW it was the same quality level but 48Mbit\s instead of 54 | 12:02 |
| XATRIX | But 10mW is less than 100 in 10 times!!! | 12:03 |
| divVerent | probably changes to 54 too | 12:03 |
| divVerent | sometimes | 12:03 |
| XATRIX | So, 10 times less drain | 12:03 |
| divVerent | I am saying, it doesn't ACTUALLY use the 100mW | 12:03 |
| divVerent | I just want to find a way to prove it :P | 12:03 |
| XATRIX | But it constantly gives me 20dBM | 12:03 |
| XATRIX | And doesn't go down | 12:03 |
| divVerent | I am trying to find out if the iwconfig value actually reads the status | 12:04 |
| divVerent | of if it just shows the set limit | 12:04 |
| XATRIX | I think it does the actual | 12:05 |
| divVerent | then why would it never change | 12:05 |
| divVerent | even when I explicitly tell it to do auto on my notebook via "iw" | 12:05 |
| XATRIX | Because it does adjust it onece at start | 12:05 |
| XATRIX | I think the default value is auto | 12:06 |
| XATRIX | Bit Rate=48 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm | 12:06 |
| XATRIX | I changed nothing | 12:06 |
| XATRIX | Link Quality=73/100 Signal level:-47 dBm Noise level=-92 dBm | 12:06 |
| divVerent | the "iw" tool distinguishes between setting the upper limit, or forcing the value | 12:06 |
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| divVerent | iw dev wlp2s0 set txpower limit 1400 sets a limit of 14dBm | 12:07 |
| divVerent | but "fixed 1400" forces the value | 12:07 |
| divVerent | but it never changes when read back for me | 12:07 |
| XATRIX | Hm | 12:07 |
| vi__ | Altering tx power on the n900 does f* all in terms of power saving. | 12:09 |
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| divVerent | vi__: yes, that is the experimental result :P | 12:09 |
| vi__ | At worst it just ruins the SNR | 12:09 |
| divVerent | 90mW isn't all that much anyway... even if it DOES anything, it's like 30mA | 12:09 |
| divVerent | but I would still like to see if WiFi auto txpower works on the N900's chip or not | 12:09 |
| XATRIX | I don't think so | 12:10 |
| vi__ | The thing that allows for most savings is sleep timeout etc. | 12:10 |
| XATRIX | I i still believe that 10mW drains 10 times less energy than 100mW | 12:10 |
| XATRIX | Because it hardware limited | 12:10 |
| divVerent | only in worst case | 12:10 |
| divVerent | you're not even sending permanently | 12:10 |
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| vi__ | yes but 100mW does not give you 10 times the range. | 12:10 |
| XATRIX | I'm in idle mode currently | 12:10 |
| XATRIX | Only 5IM protocols in action ,and handset is in standby mode | 12:11 |
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| vi__ | And the most power savings happen when the the TX is off. | 12:11 |
| XATRIX | vi__: no, i'm not talking about the range, for the 'ranged' environments i use GPRS data connection | 12:12 |
| XATRIX | I'm after prolonging the cell life | 12:12 |
| vi__ | ? | 12:12 |
| vi__ | battery cell? | 12:12 |
| XATRIX | Actual time to discharge | 12:12 |
| XATRIX | Yea | 12:12 |
| vi__ | With wifi on? | 12:12 |
| vi__ | actually, gsm radio is the power hog. | 12:13 |
| vi__ | Wifi is just fine. | 12:13 |
| XATRIX | I mean, how long i can stay without recharging, and yes, wifi is on, GPRS is also auto-connectable | 12:13 |
| XATRIX | My handset search every 10 minutes, and auto-connect to any available GPRS/WIFI | 12:13 |
| vi__ | That depends entirely on how much you ise it! | 12:13 |
| XATRIX | Only for IM | 12:14 |
| XATRIX | No web-surfing | 12:14 |
| vi__ | Wow, that is going to be brutal on power. | 12:14 |
| XATRIX | I just need to be constantly online via IM, nothing extra | 12:14 |
| XATRIX | I think IM doesn't deal that much ? Sends only keepalives while in idle | 12:15 |
| vi__ | Well, I am connected via wifi all day and I get around 1.5-2 days depending on useage. | 12:16 |
| vi__ | iwconfig wlan0 rate 12M txpower 20 power period 1 unicast power timeout 20u | 12:17 |
| vi__ | ^is what I use when streaming internet radio. | 12:17 |
| vi__ | It takes power usage from ~250mA down to ~90mA | 12:18 |
| XATRIX | vi__: Do you use some IM protocols or any network software ? | 12:18 |
| vi__ | I think this is due to internet radio somehow turning PSM off for the wifi. | 12:18 |
| vi__ | I have google talk, skype and a SIP account logged in all the time. | 12:18 |
| XATRIX | Are you on GRPS/3G or only Wifi ? | 12:19 |
| vi__ | wifi 90% of the time. | 12:20 |
| XATRIX | Hmm | 12:21 |
| XATRIX | Don't know even what to say | 12:21 |
| vi__ | what is the problem? | 12:21 |
| XATRIX | CSOC: 97 % RSOC: 97 % | 12:22 |
| XATRIX | Average Current: 186 mA | 12:22 |
| XATRIX | But it's currently chargin | 12:22 |
| XATRIX | USB charge | 12:22 |
| XATRIX | also , what's the command to enable PowerManagement on ? | 12:23 |
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| vi__ | From shell... | 12:24 |
| vi__ | iwconfig wlan0 power on | 12:24 |
| vi__ | I think. | 12:24 |
| XATRIX | I'm trying to enable it on my laptop | 12:25 |
| vi__ | Does not seem to throw an error. | 12:25 |
| XATRIX | Just to experiment with | 12:25 |
| XATRIX | root@HP-Compaq-nc4010:~# iwconfig wlan0 power on | 12:25 |
| XATRIX | Error for wireless request "Set Power Management" (8B2C) : | 12:25 |
| XATRIX | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. | 12:25 |
| vi__ | is the wifi device on? up? in use? | 12:25 |
| XATRIX | Sure, i'm currently via wifi | 12:25 |
| XATRIX | Sounds if my chip doesn't support PM | 12:25 |
| XATRIX | Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller | 12:26 |
| vi__ | Depends how new the chip is. | 12:26 |
| divVerent | ok, one thing is for sure: iwconfig can NOT possibly read the current txpower | 12:26 |
| XATRIX | O_o | 12:26 |
| divVerent | somewhat obvious from the cfg80211_wext_giwtxpower code | 12:26 |
| XATRIX | divVerent: any idea how to get tx ? | 12:26 |
| divVerent | I am checkign kernel source for that | 12:27 |
| vi__ | what do you mean? | 12:27 |
| vi__ | wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"edinst" | 12:27 |
| vi__ | Mode:Managed Frequency:2.422 GHz Access Point: 68:7F:74:01:D6:A2 | 12:27 |
| vi__ | Bit Rate=18 Mb/s Tx-Power=20 dBm | 12:27 |
| vi__ | Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B | 12:27 |
| divVerent | the 20dBm is the limit, not the current power | 12:27 |
| vi__ | why do you care about the current power? | 12:27 |
| divVerent | why not? | 12:28 |
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| XATRIX | Yea, i'm also care about current power | 12:28 |
| vi__ | Well, there is a murata test connector on the PCB... | 12:29 |
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| divVerent | if I am right, the wLAN driver is wl12xx | 12:29 |
| vi__ | y | 12:29 |
| XATRIX | vi__: Are you kidding :) I'd like not to disassemble the handset and apply multimeter :) | 12:30 |
| vi__ | Then you clearly do not want to know the TX power SO much. | 12:31 |
| XATRIX | I do :) | 12:31 |
| XATRIX | Cause i want to optimize my power drain | 12:32 |
| divVerent | one OTHER way BTW would be setting up an adhoc WLAN | 12:32 |
| vi__ | I think you are barking up the wrong tree. | 12:32 |
| divVerent | then seeing on the OTHER host the receive power | 12:32 |
| divVerent | by that you would see if it even changes if you change the txpower limit between 10 and 100 | 12:32 |
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| vi__ | The real power hoover is the screen, then the CPU. | 12:32 |
| divVerent | sure, I know that | 12:32 |
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| divVerent | for me it's just interesting | 12:32 |
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| divVerent | also, I do like limiting tx power because nobody knows how harmful it is or not | 12:33 |
| divVerent | especially when you have the thing right at your head :P | 12:33 |
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| vi__ | Maybe this can help you? | 12:34 |
| vi__ | http://www.knownokia.ca/2011/06/pushing-wireless-limits-on-n900.html | 12:34 |
| divVerent | right, that is especially helpful if you want a limit BETWEEN 10 and 100 mW :P | 12:35 |
| divVerent | too bad iwlist relies on the same ioctl to get current txpower | 12:37 |
| XATRIX | I use 2 bars from the brightness level bar | 12:37 |
| XATRIX | Nokia-N900:~# iwlist wlan0 txpower | 12:40 |
| XATRIX | Current Tx-Power=20 dBm (100 mW) | 12:40 |
| divVerent | that uses same info as iwconfig | 12:40 |
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| XATRIX | Yep | 12:40 |
| divVerent | as strace shows :P | 12:40 |
| XATRIX | What about bleeding edge drivers ? | 12:41 |
| divVerent | am just downloading source of these to check | 12:42 |
| divVerent | cloning the repo from https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/luca/wl12xx.git/ takes a while | 12:42 |
| XATRIX | Also that article guys was able to rise 20dBm -> 30 | 12:43 |
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| XATRIX | Also WTF 5G ? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ix484JMVSAU/TfZ8h77Nl2I/AAAAAAAAAaA/KwzqkwPV4Wo/s1600/HX.png | 12:43 |
| divVerent | yes | 12:43 |
| XATRIX | Never heard about 5G O_o | 12:44 |
| Hurrian | It's a secret radio technology only used by N900 users. | 12:45 |
| XATRIX | :) | 12:45 |
| XATRIX | "Radios consume power for both transmitting and receiving. A typical laptop WiFi radio may consume a few watts while in use. There are several tricks and tweaks you can perform to reduce the power consumption, even when you are using WiFi all the time. " | 12:47 |
| XATRIX | https://lesswatts.org/tips/wireless.php | 12:47 |
| XATRIX | About WIFI power saving mode | 12:47 |
| divVerent | if I see this right, the wl12xx driver cannot turn on/off automatic send power levelling | 12:55 |
| divVerent | and also has no code to ask the chip for current power | 12:56 |
| divVerent | so either it always does the levelling, or never | 12:56 |
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| divVerent | so MAYBE the driver does indeed no auto levelling... | 12:57 |
| divVerent | only one way to check | 12:57 |
| divVerent | measure | 12:57 |
| divVerent | maybe someone has an AP that can tell receive power per client? | 12:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: XATRIX: divVerent: power hog of WLAN chip is not TX, neither on 10mW not on 100mW. It's RX(!) that cuts thru battery, particularly scanning for APs or a AP that doesn't support proper PSM | 13:06 |
| divVerent | sure | 13:06 |
| divVerent | was talking more about the radiation effect :P | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why maemo/N900 scans for available APs only once every 5/10/30/60 min | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TX is never much more than 50mW on average, usually <1mW average | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery has ~4000mWh | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen backlight is 150..200mW *minimum* | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (depends on ALS though) | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly worrying about WLAN 10/100 setting is nonsensical | 13:10 |
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| jaska | being connected to some accesspoints that dont have psm or broken power saving stuff seems to take a whole lot | 13:12 |
| jaska | and some other accesspoints have power saving that the n900 default wlan driver doesnt seem to understand so it makes ssh lag like hell | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...or a AP that doesn't support proper PSM | 13:13 |
| jaska | well, some of the shit at work has something odd going on with psm :) | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily you can ajust PSM per AP/connection afaik | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in N900 network config | 13:15 |
| jaska | yeah, but if i turn it off, woosh there goes my ~2500mAh | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 13:15 |
| jaska | started keeping wlan off when i dont need it because of that :| | 13:16 |
| divVerent | there is this auto disconnect tool BTW | 13:16 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Thatiswhatisaid.jpeg | 13:20 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: batter has ~1300mAh | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: so what? | 13:20 |
| XATRIX | Not 4000 | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1300*3.7 | 13:21 |
| infobot | 4810 | 13:21 |
| vi__ | Buy a better battery. | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | W=V*A | 13:21 |
| XATRIX | O_o | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WLAN says "10mW" not "10mA" | 13:21 |
| XATRIX | Yea | 13:21 |
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| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: It's kinda strange, because all of my friends who has iPhones told me wifi drastically decrease the battery life | 13:25 |
| kerio | well, idle vs idle+wifi with power saving is like half | 13:26 |
| kerio | but you're going from 8 to 16mA | 13:26 |
| XATRIX | Yea, something like this | 13:26 |
| kerio | having the screen on dwarfs both | 13:26 |
| kerio | vi__: i bought the same battery as you and only got 1400mAh :( | 13:26 |
| XATRIX | Chinese | 13:27 |
| XATRIX | Like i have | 13:27 |
| XATRIX | I have KEVA 1700, but actually 1300 | 13:27 |
| XATRIX | But i have doubts abuout | 13:27 |
| XATRIX | Maybe it has the same resistor as the original Nokia has, to be compatible, and actually it has more Li-po detergent inside to capacitate more energy | 13:28 |
| vi__ | kerio: I am sorry I recommended a dud :/ | 13:28 |
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| kerio | vi__: are you *sure* you've got 1700 and it's not just a calibration artifact? | 13:29 |
| vi__ | kerio: 1600 | 13:29 |
| vi__ | Well I did it 3 times. | 13:29 |
| kerio | it's ok, 1400 is like a current official bl-5j, and i paid this one a quarter | 13:29 |
| kerio | (of the official price) | 13:29 |
| vi__ | On a spare n900. | 13:30 |
| XATRIX | kerio: nope, i did calibrate 3 times with Doc's script | 13:34 |
| XATRIX | And it seems like it's relevant | 13:34 |
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| XATRIX | I have Last Measured Discharge: 1298 mAh | 13:35 |
| XATRIX | a week ago it was exact 1300 | 13:35 |
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| eddyb | whoops | 14:19 |
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| eddyb | I've had the bad idea to play with a metro card | 14:19 |
| eddyb | and get it between my display and my keyboard | 14:19 |
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| eddyb | I've accidentally disconnected everything in the display half of my N900 | 14:20 |
| eddyb | now I need to take it apart and put it back together | 14:20 |
| Hurrian | eddyb, hopefully you didn't rip it. | 14:21 |
| vi__ | OMFG, this code is an abomination. | 14:23 |
| vi__ | This shit barely runs. | 14:23 |
| vi__ | my boss: Ship it! | 14:23 |
| vi__ | My pride as an engineer becomes more depleted as each day passes. | 14:24 |
| Hurrian | vi__: don't scratch away that pride, start building a pile of hate for middle management. | 14:26 |
| vi__ | The problem is he is a total cunt. | 14:26 |
| vi__ | But my LAST 2 engineers could have done this in a day! he shouts. | 14:27 |
| vi__ | Your last 2 fuck goons are the reason we are in this mess. | 14:27 |
| Hurrian | vi__: ah, a total bellhead. | 14:27 |
| vi__ | me: it is not so easy with NO debug hardware. I have to spam stuff to the serial port just to observe variable changes. | 14:28 |
| Hurrian | vi__: the real question is, how do you drive the point into his thick skull that the program is a potato when it runs fine? | 14:28 |
| vi__ | him: nonsense! You just look at the code and follow it through on paper. | 14:29 |
| vi__ | me: it is easier said than done. | 14:29 |
| vi__ | him: Nonsense, I have done it before! | 14:29 |
| vi__ | What a fucknut. This is >15000 lines of badly written, uncommented, non documented, non formatted C using a 6 year old IDE. | 14:30 |
| vi__ | What do you mean the program is a potatoe? | 14:30 |
| Hurrian | It's a total mess, almost garbage, etc. | 14:31 |
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| Hurrian | vi__: Try describing what you want to do as "Restructuring the human-readable, unprocessed, raw declaration of the executable binary to be run on an embedded semi-cloud appliance, to increase efficiency and ROI exponentially." | 14:33 |
| vi__ | when the 2 previous guys were 'learn on the job' non-programmers. yes. | 14:33 |
| vi__ | lolwut. | 14:33 |
| vi__ | Are you a manager? | 14:33 |
| Hurrian | vi__: According to a recent study, PHB cooperation is increased by utilization of vocabulary that exceeds utilization limits imposed by the PHB niche. | 14:35 |
| vi__ | The routines that handle the display are a kind of finite state machine except the states are not named anything reasonable. | 14:37 |
| vi__ | There names range from -5 to 67 | 14:37 |
| vi__ | ^their | 14:37 |
| vi__ | The handling of the states is functioned across about 3 different files. | 14:38 |
| vi__ | There is even functional code in header files. | 14:38 |
| teotwaki | What's wrong with functional code in header files? | 14:39 |
| vi__ | I am probably wrong but I feel it should not be there. | 14:39 |
| Hurrian | teotwaki: when they're not library functions. | 14:39 |
| teotwaki | Try writing templates in a cpp file for giggles. | 14:39 |
| vi__ | No. | 14:39 |
| teotwaki | I can't be bothered to put Foo const & mycomp::myclass:get_foo() { return this->foo; } in a cpp file. | 14:40 |
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| benedikt | so my n900 decided to shut down in the middle of a large apt-get dist-upgrade (over ssh, my fault probably) | 14:41 |
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| benedikt | if i try to power on, i just get the nokia logo on the white screen and then its off again. | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | bootloop | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 14:42 |
| Hurrian | it's bricked, baby. | 14:42 |
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| benedikt | (i've used debian for more than a decade so i'm coming from a techinical background) | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 14:42 |
| benedikt | sweet | 14:42 |
| benedikt | i got it used from a coworker and ive been wondering how to reinstall | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | ~flashig | 14:43 |
| benedikt | jacekowski: can you link me to an appropriate wiki page? | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 14:43 |
| infobot | somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:43 |
| Hurrian | If you feel like wasting time, boot into RescueOS, chroot into Maemo, properly mount /opt, and restart the dist-upgrade. | 14:43 |
| benedikt | Hurrian: no, i'd rather start with a clean slate. she left it pretty bloated | 14:43 |
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| jacekowski | benedikt: flash it | 14:43 |
| benedikt | jacekowski: are you some sort of bot? | 14:43 |
| teotwaki | vi__: don't badmouth the people who did things before you. They probably did so to the best of their knowledge and capabilities. If you think you can do better, do it; but ranting about how stupid your boss is or how shit the code is is pretty poor. | 14:43 |
| teotwaki | vi__: I do exactly the same, I don't blame management though. | 14:44 |
| Hurrian | benedikt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 14:44 |
| benedikt | Hurrian: i'm there | 14:44 |
| benedikt | thanks for the help | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | benedikt: no | 14:44 |
| Hurrian | download both eMMC and rootfs files, run the command, note that internal storage is wiped too. | 14:44 |
| benedikt | jacekowski: :D | 14:44 |
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| * infobot thinks DocScrutinizer05 is a bot | 14:45 | |
| teotwaki | infobot: that's because that douche is one. | 14:46 |
| infobot | teotwaki: what are you talking about? | 14:46 |
| teotwaki | infobot: what you just said, bitface. | 14:46 |
| vi__ | ~buttrape infobot | 14:47 |
| vi__ | ~beat infobot | 14:47 |
| * infobot relentlessly beats infobot over the head with a Louisville Slugger | 14:47 | |
| teotwaki | ~rape herself | 14:48 |
| * infobot takes herself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 14:48 | |
| vi__ | ~3d6 | 14:48 |
| vi__ | ~1d6 | 14:48 |
| infobot | You roll a 6 | 14:48 |
| vi__ | BAM! | 14:48 |
| teotwaki | ~1d256 | 14:48 |
| vi__ | It is not as smart as you hope | 14:49 |
| vi__ | ~!99999999999 | 14:49 |
| Hurrian | ~vfpv3d16 | 14:49 |
| teotwaki | ~human | 14:49 |
| infobot | i heard human is the mind of an angel in the body of an animal | 14:49 |
| vi__ | ~!9 | 14:49 |
| vi__ | !9 | 14:49 |
| vi__ | ~=!9 | 14:49 |
| teotwaki | vi__: stop ridiculing yourself. It's weird for everyone who's watching. | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dice 100d10 | 14:51 |
| infobot | rolled 10,8,4,7,6,4,10,8,2,2,9,9,6,3,9,4,2,1,10,3,3,9,4,3,8,6,4,7,6,9,9,5,5,3,7,7,10,6,6,4,8,6,4,1,8,9,4,3,7,5,4,8,10,5,5,10,9,9,6,9,7,2,6,1,3,10,7,9,8,6,6,7,3,8,6,1,8,5,1,4,7,6,1,2,5,1,7,1,8,2,3,6,8,8,7,3,6,9,2,1 = 569 | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~9! | 14:52 |
| infobot | i guess 9! is 362,880 | 14:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 sighs | 14:53 | |
| vi__ | stop ridiculing yourself. It's weird for everyone who's watching. <- please explain this. | 14:53 |
| teotwaki | ~dict ridicule | 14:53 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'ridicule' (1 of 7): airs, arrogance, badinage, banter, barrack, be above, be contemptuous of, be disrespectful, be merry with, be overfamiliar with, brashness, brassiness, brazenfacedness, brazenness, burlesque, care nothing for, caricature, chaff, cheekiness, clannishness, cliquishness, cockiness, contemn, contempt, contemptuousness, contumely, crack a joke, crack wise, dare, denigrate, denigration, deprecate, deprecation, depreciate, ... | 14:53 |
| eddyb | back | 14:54 |
| teotwaki | ~dict weird | 14:54 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'weird' (1 of 7): strikingly odd or unusual; "some trick of the moonlight; some weird effect of shadow"- Bram Stoker. | 14:54 |
| eddyb | Hurrian: nah it was a paper card, I think I just took a flexible connector out of its socket | 14:54 |
| eddyb | now a question... have you ever used adb on the N900, connected to another phone/tablet? | 14:55 |
| eddyb | I want to root a Galaxy Tab 2 7" with just my N900 :D | 14:56 |
| eddyb | if it's 4.0.3, it has a security hole and I can just use adb. but I need a special USB cable and adb on maemo :/ | 14:56 |
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| vi__ | what is adb? | 14:58 |
| eddyb | android debug bridge | 14:58 |
| vi__ | is it opensource/compiled for arm? | 14:59 |
| eddyb | it's like an USB debug shell, once you've enabled usb debugging in an android phone you can connect to it | 14:59 |
| thedead1440 | vi__: http://developer.android.com/tools/help/adb.html | 14:59 |
| eddyb | vi__: random post: http://blog.alexworld.it/post/9707276488/how-to-build-android-adb-on-arm | 15:00 |
| benedikt | Hurrian: for future reference, how do i boot into RescueOS? | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf got android debug bridge to do with maemo? | 15:00 |
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| eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: I need to run it from maemo | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, good luck | 15:01 |
| eddyb | I can't carry my laptop with me to the scene :P | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you got a linux source for adb, and it doesn't too leete tricks to USB, it actually *might* work | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I honestly doubt H-E-N is fit for that type of usecase | 15:02 |
| eddyb | yeah, I have never used it and I don't know how to even connect the two devices | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe when you use a usb hub | 15:03 |
| eddyb | https://gist.github.com/splhack/958335 so there's two files related to usb | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you're out of luck i guess | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl | 15:04 |
| * infobot waves | 15:04 | |
| eddyb | https://github.com/android/platform_system_core/tree/master/adb <3 github | 15:06 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: basic libusb usage, I'm sure it would work :D | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | still not | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | H-E-N doesn't provide connect detection | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have to do ENUM manually | 15:09 |
| eddyb | actually, there's a usbdevice_fs version and another one with libusb | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for all I know adb depends on instant ENUM | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I'm out | 15:10 |
| eddyb | ssize_t cnt = libusb_get_device_list(ctx, &devs); | 15:10 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: however, the linux usbdevice_fs version starts a thread scanning for devices | 15:10 |
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| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: what can you say about Advanced Power v0.5.0-3 | 15:19 |
| XATRIX | ? | 15:19 |
| XATRIX | My logic tells me that default one indicator also does the syscalls and drain power | 15:19 |
| XATRIX | But this one gives good information tho | 15:19 |
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| kerio | XATRIX: use the battery applet from cssu-devel | 15:29 |
| XATRIX | kerio: link ? | 15:29 |
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| XATRIX | Can't find anything | 15:33 |
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| benedikt | Where can i download the flasher for linux? | 16:23 |
| benedikt | the links on the wiki are dead | 16:23 |
| Hurrian | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ | 16:27 |
| benedikt | Hurrian: found that site, but it appear to not include flasher-3.5 | 16:28 |
| Hurrian | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb | 16:28 |
| benedikt | (is there a reason why the wiki hasn't been updated to point there instead?) | 16:28 |
| benedikt | Hurrian: sweet | 16:28 |
| benedikt | Hurrian: where is that accessible from the sitE? | 16:29 |
| Hurrian | http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ | 16:29 |
| Hurrian | see the first link on the page | 16:29 |
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| benedikt | "Maemo releases"? | 16:29 |
| benedikt | Hurrian: flasher-3.5 isn't on that page | 16:30 |
| thedead1440 | "Command line flasher binaries are available here." | 16:30 |
| Hurrian | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb 59328 Maemo Flasher-3.5 Tool for Fremantle and Diablo, installation package for Debian based Linuxes (x86, 32-bit) | 16:30 |
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| benedikt | thedead1440: aaah! | 16:31 |
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| benedikt | what are OS200{7,8}HE? | 16:35 |
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| * benedikt has no idea what to pick from http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/nokia_N900/ | 16:36 | |
| teotwaki | Old versions of Maemo, Hacker Editions. | 16:36 |
| benedikt | "Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 " | 16:38 |
| benedikt | i assume this is newer than "Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 " ? | 16:38 |
| benedikt | and when do i want to flash the eMMC? | 16:39 |
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| benedikt | where can i get the source for flasher-3.5 | 16:51 |
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| benedikt | so flasher-3.5 depends on a version of libc6 that isnt in either ubuntu or debian | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | flasher-3.5 is binary only | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | fuck yeah, breaking abi on linux | 17:02 |
| benedikt | yeah, this is breaking a lot of things | 17:03 |
| benedikt | i thought maemo was free software? | 17:03 |
| jacekowski | it's free as in beer | 17:04 |
| benedikt | not as in freedom? | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | and no it's not | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | not fully | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | there is a lot of closed bits including flasher | 17:05 |
| benedikt | well that sucks | 17:05 |
| benedikt | anyhow | 17:05 |
| benedikt | managed to get it running on an ubuntu computer | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~closed | 17:07 |
| infobot | from memory, closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for ultralatest, see maeo.cloud-u.de | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it has PR1.3.1 | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~pr131 | 17:08 |
| infobot | combined is probably the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:08 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer51: nah, i want something thats stable | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that IS stable | 17:09 |
| benedikt | oh | 17:09 |
| benedikt | isn't there any wiki you can trust? | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's just the release for Nokia servicepoints | 17:09 |
| benedikt | wiki.maemo.org seems to be abandoned (lot of dead lines) | 17:09 |
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| benedikt | and i was sent to skeiron.org, which i think is a mirror of an old maemo site that has disappeared | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wiki is mostly just fine | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~skeiron | 17:10 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, skeiron is the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 17:10 |
| benedikt | how much older is the stuff on skeiron than what you linked to? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | skeiron is up-to-date | 17:11 |
| benedikt | then what is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what I linked to is so new it harly exists | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hardly | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I.E. Nokia never published that image on tablets-dev | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see ~pr131 | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the second link is Nokia | 17:14 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: what can you say about Advanced Power v0.5.0-3 ? | 17:16 |
| XATRIX | My logic tells me that default one indicator also does the syscalls and drain power | 17:16 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer51: cool | 17:21 |
| benedikt | sounds like thats what i should download | 17:21 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer51: is that the "global" release? | 17:23 |
| Drathir | XATRIX: better than wi fi i think dimm lcd lightning | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | XATRIX: I don't know advanced-power | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: MR0 is global, afaik, yes | 17:28 |
| Drathir | what i see go to 10mW on n900 have less coverage and less data transfer rate... | 17:30 |
| eddyb | dammit | 17:30 |
| eddyb | I need to get one of these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-Data-Cable/dp/B0044EAVSY/ref=pd_sim_computers_6#productDetails | 17:30 |
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| Drathir | yes n900 wifi sensitivity is a quite good also with weak networks... | 17:32 |
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| eddyb | hmm | 17:33 |
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| eddyb | so for $5 I can get an USB micro OTG adapter | 17:34 |
| eddyb | and for $10 I can get a samsung galaxy tab 2 data cable | 17:34 |
| eddyb | I put those two together and I can connect the tab as a device to the N900 | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | there's no point of using 10mW | 17:37 |
| eddyb | lolz, the tablet data cable is cheaper if you get an original | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | The option only exists because legally you're limited to 10mW outdoors in France | 17:37 |
| eddyb | lol? | 17:37 |
| benedikt | where is that option | 17:38 |
| eddyb | in any wifi network's advanced settings | 17:38 |
| eddyb | but it changes for all of them | 17:38 |
| eddyb | does this look like it will work with the N900? http://cdn03.gsmnet.ro/poze_produse/55560/supermari/adaptor-microusb-usb-samsung-i9100-galaxy-s-ii_0.jpg | 17:40 |
| XATRIX | DocScrutinizer05: it's a much detailed batter charge indicator. Stock one shows only a gauge, and this one shows the percentage + time to discharge | 17:40 |
| benedikt | after reflashing, its normal that it takes way longer to boot than normally, right? | 17:42 |
| benedikt | it booted | 17:42 |
| benedikt | is all user data kept on teh eMMC, including settings? (dotfiles?) | 17:43 |
| eddyb | OH WTF | 17:43 |
| eddyb | https://www.google.com/search?q=filetype%3Apdf+site%3Agsmnet.ro | 17:43 |
| eddyb | google indexed a shitton of private data | 17:43 |
| Apic | Tell news. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: yep | 17:45 |
| benedikt | eddyb: thats called google dorking, its actually pretty big | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | takes longer | 17:45 |
| benedikt | DocScrutinizer05: its up now | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | benedikt: yes, /home is on eMMC | 17:45 |
| eddyb | benedikt: it would have never happened if those files weren't public in the first place | 17:45 |
| eddyb | benedikt: or if they weren't linked from anywhere | 17:45 |
| eddyb | weird, I expected http://www.gsmnet.ro/facturi/ to be a dumb directory lister | 17:46 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: hahahha what? who limits their wifi tx power? | 17:48 |
| kerio | and how do you enforce it? | 17:48 |
| benedikt | kerio: with laws. vendors and manufacturers follow them | 17:49 |
| kerio | he said "outside" | 17:49 |
| kerio | which means that there's no such limit inside | 17:49 |
| kerio | which means that you're legally able to sell wifi cards that do more | 17:50 |
| XATRIX | eMMC = RAM memory die or a standart SD card ? | 17:50 |
| eddyb | oh shit... worst part about my phone being decapitated is that I don't have a phone number in case they phone me about the order I'm about to make | 17:52 |
| eddyb | :S | 17:52 |
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| kerio | eddyb: no other mobile phones? | 17:52 |
| eddyb | nope | 17:52 |
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| eddyb | well, there's a crappy Nokia 1000 I could try to revive :/ | 17:53 |
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| eddyb | so why does the service manual say to not reuse the screws? | 17:56 |
| eddyb | what's that about? | 17:56 |
| eddyb | ok, I only need to remove 4 screws to get access to the flex connector | 17:57 |
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| eddyb | 2/4 taken out. they're really easy to unscrew :D | 18:16 |
| eddyb | OH FUCK | 18:18 |
| eddyb | the flex is ripped off >:( | 18:18 |
| eddyb | that stuff isn't even plastic | 18:19 |
| eddyb | cheap nokia | 18:19 |
| eddyb | it's some shitty rubber | 18:19 |
| eddyb | it looks very bad without the cut, thermal damage | 18:19 |
| Drathir | eddyb: oc cpu? | 18:22 |
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| eddyb | just the past couple of days, but the flex looks like it aged in a mildly heated environment | 18:22 |
| eddyb | is plastic too much to ask? | 18:23 |
| eddyb | this is like rubber paper | 18:23 |
| eddyb | Drathir: but you could destroy the flex if you overclocked the CPU for months, I think | 18:23 |
| eddyb | this shit is soo fragile | 18:23 |
| eddyb | where the heck do I even get a new one? | 18:24 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; just look at random people randomly changing it to 10mW and claiming batteryife doubled ;) | 18:32 |
| eddyb | underclocking works for me | 18:33 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: would that really even happen? | 18:33 |
| eddyb | when I don't need to be constantly using it | 18:33 |
| kerio | i expect my tx power to be at a solid 0 the vast majority of the time | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; would what happen? | 18:34 |
| kerio | because of powersaving | 18:34 |
| kerio | doubling battery life by lowering the tx power | 18:34 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah no, the emitted power is a small part of total power use of wifi | 18:42 |
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| eddyb | oh | 18:59 |
| eddyb | I can order a replacement one :D | 18:59 |
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| eddyb | http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-FAKE-CAMERA-FLAT-FLEX-CABLE-RIBBON-REPLACEMENT-FOR-NOKIA-N900-c57A-/150661584677?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2314215725 | 19:04 |
| eddyb | or http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Flex-Cable-Ribbon-with-Camera-For-Nokia-N900-/280966940848?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416aef48b0 | 19:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eddyb: ~fixribbon | 19:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~fixribbon | 19:04 |
| eddyb | ~fixribbon | 19:04 |
| infobot | i heard fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 | 19:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | just repaired mine there's a full walkthrough | 19:05 |
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| eddyb | thanks, that will be helpful :D | 19:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np | 19:06 |
| eddyb | for $50 I can get an original display :D (looking for replacement parts) | 19:07 |
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| eddyb | http://www.gsmnet.ro/banda-flat-cable-flex/nokia I hope I can get one here | 19:09 |
| eddyb | damn they don't have N900 | 19:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Be careful to check the images and description. I spotted some that where listed as N900 but definitely not. You can see my one from halagsm is clearly the correct one on the link. | 19:14 |
| eddyb | sixwheeledbeast: I can't open the two middle screws under the slider :( | 19:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | very tight be careful do to round them | 19:15 |
| eddyb | ? | 19:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/do to/to not/ | 19:15 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: very tight be careful to not round them | 19:15 |
| eddyb | well... | 19:15 |
| eddyb | at least they're meant to be one-use-only | 19:16 |
| eddyb | I can find this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-PH00-Precision-Screwdriver-Repairing-Screw-Driver-Tool-Cellphone-/251140466420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a792366f4 | 19:17 |
| eddyb | but I can't find the screws on ebay :/ | 19:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you can't get them out you have a big problem, see my ~fixribbon for more... | 19:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | IIRC i had a PH0 PH00 PH000 screwdrivers the display screws where PH000 | 19:18 |
| eddyb | the service manual says 00 | 19:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well I went off what fitted snuggly.... | 19:19 |
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| eddyb | "In the end I removed the head with a tiny dremmel bit." | 19:20 |
| eddyb | this sounds worse and worse | 19:21 |
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| eddyb | now I'm curious | 19:24 |
| eddyb | is it possible to replace the touch screen with a capacitive one? | 19:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | why that's the best part, the accuracy of resistive | 19:25 |
| eddyb | I guess the controller is resistive-specific anyway | 19:27 |
| eddyb | sixwheeledbeast: but capacitive touchscreen can have multitouch, right? | 19:27 |
| eddyb | and I found where to buy from http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-NEW-NOKIA-N900-SLIDE-SLIDER-RIBBON-CABLE-FLEX-WITH-CAMERA-N-900-/280762188838?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item415ebb0426 | 19:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but maemo doesn't need it. | 19:28 |
| eddyb | that will arrive much sooner than a post package from hong kong | 19:28 |
| eddyb | and it has two tools to help me :D | 19:28 |
| eddyb | sixwheeledbeast: just asking :D | 19:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | eddyb: someone with the same wishful thinking http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1330319&postcount=323 | 19:32 |
| eddyb | isn't that worse than me? | 19:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | lol | 19:34 |
| eddyb | I mean, I'm asking about the possibility of a hardware replacement | 19:34 |
| eddyb | he seems clueless | 19:34 |
| eddyb | semi-clueless | 19:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 19:35 |
| eddyb | oooof course | 19:36 |
| eddyb | paypal account is kinda empty | 19:36 |
| eddyb | darn | 19:36 |
| Drathir | btw maybe someone know it is possible to broke card reader in this way i have a sd card from blackberry formated in bb device with its data encryption and when i put it on n900 sd reader and close case and checking dmesg cant mount that sd and when i put out sd cart it is a very hot... | 19:39 |
| Drathir | very hot not mean little warm, but really hot... | 19:40 |
| Drathir | but i dont sure it is reason format of card or card is broken... i have no idea how to check that... | 19:41 |
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| teotwaki | ~veryhot is not mean little warm, but really hot... | 19:43 |
| infobot | okay, teotwaki | 19:43 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | well, you could try it in the bb again | 19:45 |
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| Drathir | sixwheeledbeast: if i can that be great, but my bb9300 have a accident sadly... | 19:48 |
| eddyb | sixwheeledbeast: WOOO I found one closer by :D | 19:49 |
| eddyb | I still need the screwdriver | 19:49 |
| eddyb | mine doesn't fit that well | 19:49 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | screwdrivers are one use only :P | 19:50 |
| eddyb | weren't the screws one-use-only? | 19:50 |
| Drathir | sixwheeledbeast: dmesg output http://pastebin.com/aY9QxNbp | 19:50 |
| eddyb | hmm | 19:50 |
| eddyb | now that I think of it | 19:50 |
| eddyb | someone could take all these replacement parts | 19:50 |
| eddyb | and have a custom motherboard inside | 19:51 |
| eddyb | preferably something powerful | 19:51 |
| eddyb | put android on it and enjoy :D | 19:51 |
| eddyb | at least now I know what I'm looking for | 19:53 |
| eddyb | it's called "band" here | 19:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Drathir: do you need the data off it? | 19:58 |
| Drathir | sixwheeledbeast: i think about dump with dd data but i dont know if it possible in that case | 20:00 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | what's the latest version of CSSU stable in r.m.o at the moment? | 20:08 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | anyone? Smaemo5 or Smaemo6 ? | 20:13 |
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| Drathir | botsnack | 20:32 |
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| Drathir | sixwheeledbeast: i try to check stable but my testing is | 20:35 |
| Drathir | sixwheeledbeast: i try to check stable but my testing is Community SSU installed | 20:35 |
| Drathir | Version: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2 | 20:35 |
| Drathir | Flavor: Testing | 20:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's k, wondering if the repos have been updated since infra move. | 20:36 |
| Drathir | if good remember in near future bomming a big update... | 20:37 |
| Drathir | comming* | 20:38 |
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| eddyb | sixwheeledbeast: so what did you do with your drilled screw? | 20:42 |
| eddyb | did you replace it? | 20:42 |
| eddyb | gaah | 20:43 |
| eddyb | I can't find screws anywhere | 20:44 |
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| eddyb | http://iphone4parts.com/shop/iphone-3gs-iphone-3g-screw-set-p-121.html | 20:49 |
| eddyb | doesn't say which type of screws they are | 20:49 |
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| eddyb | I had to check out C1-01's service manual | 20:51 |
| eddyb | to see if the screws match | 20:51 |
| eddyb | nope, torx+ size 4 | 20:51 |
| eddyb | does anyone know if the iphone screws are the right ones? | 20:53 |
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| eddyb | oh, finally, http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts | 20:59 |
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| eddyb | can I not get replacement screws | 21:02 |
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| RiD | hello | 21:37 |
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| RiD | i need help from the microUSB experts -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89531 | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: noody really uses replacement screws ever | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except nokia care | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody even | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should use relacements if you ruined the original ones on unscrewing them | 21:58 |
| eddyb | no ood ever? | 21:59 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: I'm afraid I'm going to ruin the screws :| | 21:59 |
| RiD | i'd be afraid of you runing the plastic things around the screws | 21:59 |
| RiD | ruining* | 21:59 |
| eddyb | RiD: those 4 screws are really easy to unscrew | 22:00 |
| eddyb | but the 6 on the back of the display module are very tight >:( | 22:01 |
| eddyb | and I don't have a darn PH00 around | 22:01 |
| RiD | get a hammer | 22:01 |
| eddyb | fu | 22:01 |
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| eddyb | there's one online shop, but it doesn't let me buy stuff under $3 (and the screwdriver is $1) | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get 3 | 22:02 |
| RiD | buy 3 | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 22:02 |
| eddyb | are they *that* bad? | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly? yes | 22:02 |
| eddyb | I was thinking of getting a 000, too, as per sixwheeledbeast's comments | 22:03 |
| RiD | DocScrutinizer05 do you know anything about microUSB fixes? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a bit | 22:04 |
| RiD | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89531 if you could take a look :P | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what for? | 22:05 |
| RiD | i want to know if oh2btg's fix (last image) has any mistakes on it | 22:05 |
| RiD | because he says it was based on mipo, and mipo did something wrong and ruined it | 22:06 |
| RiD | i'm paranoid | 22:06 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: you must be kidding me. it's not exactly $3, it's $3.(3). it's easier when I say it in dollars, but this is in my local currency | 22:06 |
| RiD | buy 4 | 22:07 |
| eddyb | yepp | 22:07 |
| eddyb | the delivery is like 2.5 screwdrivers worth | 22:07 |
| RiD | or try buying 3 and a half | 22:07 |
| eddyb | lol | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RiD: this fix looks basically fine | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usbfix | 22:07 |
| infobot | somebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 22:07 |
| RiD | yeah i've seen that thread countless times already :P | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, your PCB looks perfectly intact | 22:08 |
| RiD | it WAS | 22:08 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: thanks, time to write all my personal details for the millionth time today | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need that wire nightmare | 22:08 |
| RiD | until someone ruined it, trying to fix it | 22:08 |
| RiD | don't have a pic of that though | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eddyb: eh? | 22:09 |
| eddyb | DocScrutinizer05: delivery address | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 22:09 |
| RiD | one of these pins (don't know what to call them) doesn't work. It's the 2nd one, counting from right | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not my problem | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you mean by "doesn't work"? | 22:10 |
| RiD | bad wording, lol. It was loose | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the pad? | 22:10 |
| RiD | what is the pad | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what was loose? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pads are those copper with solder on it aread on your board | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pins are the little wires coming out of components | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I can't help based on sparse facts | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to me your PCB looks like perfect condition to solder a new USB receptacle component to it | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definitely, no doubt | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zhe photo is pretty good | 22:15 |
| RiD | back, it seems that the pads are not solid anymore, one of them was ripped off and two or so were "raised" (terrible english) by the previous guy trying to fix it | 22:15 |
| RiD | i don't have an actual pic, but it looks nowhere as pretty as it does on that picture | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 22:15 |
| eddyb | then get a pic | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the heck | 22:15 |
| RiD | have to disassemble it first | 22:15 |
| eddyb | do it? | 22:16 |
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| eddyb | do you have the tools? | 22:16 |
| RiD | I'll have to wait after dinner | 22:16 |
| RiD | it's not me who disassembles it, it's my father | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so why theheck are you posting a meaningless photo? | 22:16 |
| RiD | good question | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1018141#post1018141 | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so if seconf from right pad is defect, simply ignore it | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for rightmost pad you can use a short wire to nearby mech support pad (the large square one) | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since both are GND | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the other 3 pads need to be ok, or you need the wire workaround | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so to answer your initial question: no, there's nothing obviously wrong with that photo in that post (except the short from rightmost pin to 2nd right, which isn't needed and doesn't serve a purpose | 22:27 |
| RiD | so, the 2nd right doesn't need to be "welded" like he did on the picture, only the rightmost? | 22:32 |
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| RiD | I see on the picture that he "ripped" that metal frame - i guess that it's quite hard to fix usb without removing it, am i right? | 22:34 |
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