IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-03-05

sombragrisI lost my N900 last April, and I just bought a replacement one week ago :S00:00
sombragrisok00:00
sombragrishope everything goes OK00:00
sombragrisDocScrutinizer05 : ty for the tip00:00
DocScrutinizer05sombragris: we're just in a double trouble00:00
sombragrisI know, don't worry. Let's hope it gets sorted out00:01
DocScrutinizer05so I really have no time left to add your bug report to tracker, however welcome and appreciated00:01
DocScrutinizer05please remind me tomorrow00:01
sombragriswill do, don't worry00:01
DocScrutinizer05thanks00:01
sombragriswriting mail to council with bug report now00:02
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and welcome back! :-)00:02
sombragristy :)00:02
DocScrutinizer05thanks for mail, so I can deal with it tomorrow (or qwazix or MT will do)00:02
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sombragrismail sent to council at m.o.00:07
sombragrisbtw does anyone know where can I get mscp ? it is reported as a missing dependency of tweetian00:08
sombragris(I'm trying to install a good twitter client)00:08
sombragrisunfortunately TweeGo cannot login into twitter anymore :S00:08
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DocScrutinizer05sombragris: hah, thanks, now I see we already have that bug in our tracker, reported by thedead1440 24h ago. Thanks anyway00:12
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: rob bauer is scaring off every board member00:16
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Estel_oh god. Lately, we had a brief talk about games here, so I know that there are gamers amongst fellow maemo members.00:17
Estel_For those, I recommend playing completely unknown (to mass-public) title "Richard & Alice". It have been years since I've seen such heartwrenching, sad, but powerful story in a gamep literature, or movie00:18
Estel_it's just a this kind of tale that doesn't give answers, and I'm not sure if raises a questions - just alters something inside you. Absolutely top-notch, and I recommend it from the deep of my heart, to anyone, who won't get scared by retro-graphic (as story is all that matters here)00:19
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DocScrutinizer05>> While I have all confidence in Mr. Bauer’s expertise and enthusiasm, I must emphatically make my stance on the fact that it behooves the Maemo Community to demand that other Maemo Community members occupy the remaining seats<<00:24
sombragrisDocScrutinizer05 : right. I had a great talk with him yesterday00:24
DocScrutinizer05with whom?00:24
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sombragriswith thedead144000:25
DocScrutinizer05aaah00:25
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440 is a nice guy, indeed00:25
DocScrutinizer05I wish he was already awake00:25
sombragrisbtw: I welcome any suggestion for good twitter clients00:26
sombragrisneed that for work (I work as a CM)00:26
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: ping!!!00:26
Woody14619hi :)  Was chatting in another window.00:27
kerioEstel_: have you ever played the last express?00:27
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freemangordonkerio: I guess we need a working board to "officialy" take over from Nokia00:34
Estel_kerio sure00:34
keriofreemangordon: yeah but now we have only one dude in the board00:34
Estel_it was absolutely gorgeous00:35
keriowhich means that new members must join00:35
freemangordonkerio: yep, and thats why it is not a good thing00:35
keriowhich means that we can start voting no on everything rob bauer says, out of principle00:35
freemangordonbecause we run out of time00:35
Estel_well, richard & Alice is quite different, though. don't expect happy ending, too, no matter how good gamer you're00:35
freemangordon*are running00:36
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Estel_kerio ^ to the point, in which I still cant find a place for myself, after finishing it few hours earlier. Stories that affect you in such way are a rarity, and it doesn't matter if you talk about literature, games, or movies...00:38
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DocScrutinizer05voting time, *cough*01:21
DocScrutinizer05[general announcement] If I can reach everybody, council will hold a extemporaneous meeting tomorrow 1800UTC on #maemo-meeting. Single topic: Tim Samoff resigning from HiFo BoD and next steps to take (which are elections in 4 weeks from now on)01:25
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Estel_just out of curiosity, have tim stated reasons for resignation?01:47
Estel_or was it regular "lack of time" blabla?01:47
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Estel_nvm, found his resignation letter01:51
Estel_well, he basically encourage to give more power into Council hands, which is funny, as with board election in 4 weeks, everything will stay the same, just delayed for 4 weeks01:51
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Estel_changing responsibilities require changing HiFo funny and unrealistic statute, as - of course - no one listened, when few people cried that it's wrong to the very core01:52
Estel_in my personal opinions, without merging hifo and council positions into one (so only board or only hifo with merged competitions remains), we're doomed to pathetic power games, as we seen them whole time01:54
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* yes you were right01:54
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Estel_...which, btw, was also the the thing that I've tried to warn about, and no one listened01:55
Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  what a subtle irony in your digital voice :P01:55
DocScrutinizer05actually not01:56
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Estel_so, will council come forward with proposition of changing statute to smth sensible, instead of electing new board?01:57
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Estel_or it depends on tommorow's meeting?01:57
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DocScrutinizer05it depends on tomorrow's meeting02:08
DocScrutinizer05there are clear statutes about changing statutes02:08
DocScrutinizer05I think we first will suggest successors for Tim and ask board to consider to appoint them02:09
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DocScrutinizer05idoru: help03:53
DocScrutinizer05idoru: ?03:53
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Aoyagi_joytopIs there an emulator for the maemo browser? MicroB or whatever it's called.08:55
DocScrutinizer05hmm? emulator?08:56
DocScrutinizer05who's emulating what?08:57
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Aoyagi_joytopSomething like Opera has, but I can't link it now due to weird outage of opera.com09:22
Aoyagi_joytophttp://dev.opera.com/articles/view/opera-mobile-emulator/ that09:23
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XATRIXHi guys, anyone knows how to merge folders in mail application ?10:03
XATRIXI have Sent folder that is initial for mail system, but my actual folder looks like custom10:05
XATRIXi'm using IMAP proto to access mail10:05
XATRIXYou know, there're custom folder you can subscribe to10:05
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XATRIXSo, my actual mails are stored inside sucha a folder, against to be stored in default Sent10:06
XATRIXHow can i change settings for ?10:06
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t4nk288hello guys, u want to ask you is there some facebook program that i can use and get notifications by some kind of light or sound? im asking because i do it myself, it's not automatical...10:19
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t4nk288I want to ask *10:19
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XATRIXCan't connect to CSSU currently10:29
XATRIXHeadset it has been updated, and Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org10:30
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XATRIXAlso, is it possible to change I/O sheduller to noop in kernel ?10:44
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ UAPSD (WMM power save) no yes yes11:19
XATRIXWho told me that it is not effeicient ?11:20
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_shadowxXATRIX, echo noop > /sys/block/$device/queue/scheduler11:47
_shadowxnot sure if noop part of the default kernel, but KP has it.11:47
_shadowxp.s. $device should be mmcblk0 (or mmcblk1 the memory card)11:48
XATRIXyep11:49
XATRIXHow can i script it , to be applied every reboot ?11:49
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_shadowxDepends at witch stage of the boot you want to switch to it... but i guess adding the line to /etc/init.d/rcS should work,if i remember correctly , there are few other kernel setting set by rcS11:53
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_shadowxhttp://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=974307 check out this thread. short description of how to make ur own scripts that run at startup.11:55
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XATRIX!seen Pali12:07
XATRIX~seen pali12:07
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 11h 22m 25s ago, saying: 'I'm going sleep too, bye :-)'.12:07
XATRIXcrap :(12:07
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XATRIXAnyone use protocol plugins for the Conversation ?12:21
XATRIXActually, skype proto12:21
freemangordon~mirror12:23
infoboti heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error12:23
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XATRIXNo, my question is: There're  modes "Available DND Offline"12:27
XATRIXIn available mode i have screen notification & sound12:27
XATRIXI have the same crap while in DND12:27
XATRIX??!?!12:28
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XATRIXHow can i fix it ? I need it only record the messages to the chat window12:35
XATRIXWithout screen pop-up notification & sound in DND mode12:35
XATRIXAlso, i found Mozilla firefox browser in Ovi store12:36
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XATRIXAnd it looks like it installs Fennec while12:36
XATRIXIs it capable flash/HTML5 ?12:36
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grummundhad my n900 for a couple of months now...13:01
grummundjust discovered the marbles game13:01
grummundimpossible! :p13:02
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jon_ykerio: ping13:03
jon_yyou still have your uboot+rescurOS bins?13:03
keriopong13:04
keriomy what13:04
kerio?13:04
jon_yrescueOS13:04
jon_yI just got my n900 fixed13:04
jon_yscreen replaced13:04
kerioyou don't need uboot to launch rescueos13:05
kerio~rescueos13:05
infobotrumour has it, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/13:05
jon_yI was planning to add rescueOS to the uboot menu13:05
keriohttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/219604113:05
jon_ythanks13:06
jon_yand backup menu?13:06
jon_y~backupmenu13:06
infobotwell, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6397513:06
jon_yawesome, will do that too13:07
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XATRIXkerio: http://fpaste.org/IAFM/13:20
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XATRIXAny ideas why it doesn't go to C4 powersaving ?13:21
XATRIXI did no overclock, voltmod, or anything that can harm13:21
XATRIXsince reflashed13:21
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clownishare the repositorys down again?13:24
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XATRIXSeems like13:29
kerioXATRIX: skyhost13:30
XATRIXkerio: ?13:31
kerioskype13:31
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XATRIXWhat's with it ?13:31
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kerioit does shit13:31
kerioall the time13:31
XATRIXWhat kind of ?13:32
XATRIXtouching the CPU ?13:32
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XATRIX~microb13:36
infoboti heard microb is Mozilla based browser for maemo, built on Gecko by Nokia for their Tablet devices line, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ - http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml13:36
XATRIX~microb download13:36
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XATRIX~microb repo13:36
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XATRIX100 kΩ 1250mAh (Original BL-5J battery)  90 kΩ 1000mAh  80 kΩ  862mA  78 kΩ  740mAh14:02
XATRIXWhat if i have 1700 cell ?14:02
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: ?15:29
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keriohold on, so now the one appointed board member appointed two more members?17:19
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thedead1440kerio: yup. However, its a double-edged sword; if elections are called Nokia may just stop all discussions and nothing is transferred properly. OTOH it seems the other 2 people especially woody are sane people with much more technical know-how than Rob so woody especially can co-op with Council on sane things to move forward quickly...17:24
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: are you there ?17:25
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XATRIXhttp://fpaste.org/aOJY/ -that is without skype17:26
XATRIXSounds if my CPU was completely HALTed17:26
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divVerentas I cannot reach repository.maemo.org despite it being up again supposedly... what IP should it be resolving to?17:55
thedead1440divVerent: 188.117.59.20517:57
divVerenthm... it does seem to have some problems then17:58
thedead1440oh yes there is an issue with one of the blades. the sysadmins are on it since a few hours already.17:59
divVerentoh, ok17:59
divVerentin the meantime... I did the mistake of switching to skeiron's repo mirrors for now, knowing they are somewhat outdated... but now apt-get dist-upgrade fails with weird errors (weird, as I cannot figure out manually what is wrong)18:00
divVerenthttp://paste.debian.net/239942/18:00
divVerentof upstart it only can mean one version, which depends on a busybox I have... so it doesn't make sense to fail18:01
divVerentso, anyone know how to tell apt to show more detail on why it fails?18:01
thedead1440skeiron's mirrors are not outdated as repos haven't been updated in quite a few months. dist-upgrade has always been discouraged so why do it?18:02
divVerentbecause upgrade shows 999 packages as "kept back"18:03
thedead1440i've no idea what you may have messed up; are on a cssu version? maybe you have added the wrong mirror?18:03
divVerentno CSSU yet, that's what Iw anted to do soon...18:04
thedead1440did you add any community repos?18:04
divVerentI however did add the extras-devel repo to install openmediaplayer, but used apt-pinning to pin down the extras-devel to priority 118:04
divVerentso I am now undoing that part and see if the kept back ones go away18:04
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divVerentno, still are there18:04
thedead1440no idea on what's gone wrong. Maybe ask kerio :)18:05
keriodist-upgrade has never been supposed to work18:05
divVerentah, I think I figured it out... I did add the community repo, but did not get any updates from it yet18:05
thedead1440community repo is CSSU-Stable18:05
keriodivVerent: halt18:05
kerioyou're not supposed to blindly upgrade from the cssu repo18:06
divVerentbut how else?18:06
kerioinstall community-ssu-enabler, run it18:06
kerioit'll uninstall the nokia metapackage and install the cssu one18:06
divVerentTHAT is the info I was missing18:06
divVerentyes, it is the nokia metapackage keeping things back18:06
divVerentbut now that I removed the community package, it's only 4 kept back ones, which includes a libcurl update18:07
divVerentwhere to get community-ssu-enabler? it's not in the "community" repo18:07
divVerentor is it so new it's not on skeiron yet?18:07
divVerentif that's the case, I'll just wait18:08
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thedead1440http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/pool/fremantle/free/c/community-ssu-enabler/community-ssu-enabler_0.6-7_all.deb18:08
divVerentodd that I didn't find it then... I'll see what I did wrong then18:09
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divVerentah, my bad, didn't run apt-get update :P18:09
divVerent(I did the changes to skeiron's repos manually via vi of the file managed by HAM, so I can easily restore the real URLs by just entering the HAM settings and closing them again)18:10
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divVerentgreat, looks like it all works. Although the only visible CSSU change for me (using stable) is that I can finally have a FMTX button in the status dropdown18:36
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divVerent(which by itself is already worth it, for my use)18:39
kerioyes, cssu-stable is kinda supposed to be indistinguishable from maemo stock, unless you configure it18:40
kerioalso, install the rotation lock applet18:40
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Palithis situation of linux userspace is even worse18:41
Palilennart's systemd,18:41
Palinon working udev18:41
kerioindeed, upstart is much better!18:41
Paliand now also stupid ******* display server by canonical18:41
* kerio flees18:41
Palivery good, ubuntu - majority distribution - start using something incompatible with X Server...18:43
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Paliand all developers start using that shit18:43
Paliand then linux desktop goes to the hell18:43
divVerentkerio: I did install the rotation lock18:43
Palithanks cannonical18:43
Palithanks lennart18:43
kerioPali: i don't see anyone else using unity, fwiw18:44
divVerentalthough not much supports rotation anyway18:44
divVerent(similarily bad situation as with iOS...)18:44
Palikerio, unity can be replaced by another DE18:44
kerioi mean other distros18:44
Paliwithout breaking other apps18:44
freemangordonkerio: you will, once that "peace" of crap is out18:44
divVerentwayland is by canonical now?18:44
divVerentor do you mean ANOTHER new display server?18:44
Palibut replacing X Server will break *all* X apps18:45
freemangordon:nod:18:45
thedead1440divVerent: Mir18:45
divVerentif it's wayland, it will NOT break X apps18:45
PalidivVerent, no anther server18:45
PaliMIR18:45
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keriocanonical can announce whatever it wants18:46
PaliRed Hat and also Canonical trying to kill linux18:46
divVerentI mean, X11 IS crap... but now Wayland AND MIR... why can't they join forces instead18:46
PaliX11 is good18:47
divVerentthat way, we will get TWO crappy new display servers, and will thus stick with old X1118:47
Paliis working18:47
divVerentnot REALLY...18:47
divVerentit works, yes18:47
divVerentbut design IS bad18:47
freemangordondivVerent: X11 is NOT crap18:47
Paliand there are working apps18:47
divVerentI actually am surprised how fluent Maemo works :P18:47
divVerentgiven that Android on similar hardware fails18:47
Paliwayland - not working correctly, no apps18:47
freemangordondivVerent: thanks to dalvic ;)18:47
Paliand only research project18:47
divVerentwayland does the big mistake of making window managers very complex to impossible18:47
divVerent(but still better than OS X, which even does window decorations from a library loaded by programs... making it ENTIRELY impossible to change them)18:48
keriodivVerent: otherwise how will the next itunes mimick the future version of os x?18:48
divVerentfreemangordon: main gripe with ANdroid is that even the pointless animations lag all the time18:48
freemangordonPali: I think it is time to start coding for Windows :D:D:D18:49
divVerentand X11 is quite badly designed... to get anything done, people invent X11 extensions to go around X11's normal channels18:49
divVerentXShm being one of the first18:49
divVerentso it DOES make sense to rethink whether we still need the core X11 mechanisms at all18:49
divVerenthowever, this also could be done as an "evolutionary" step, i.e. taking X11 and just removing most useless core features (X11 bitmap fonts being one of the nasty ones)18:50
freemangordonPali: as how the things are developing, in a couple of years that experience will be of use ;)18:50
divVerentand basically doing virtually everything with extensions, and only keeping core features as fallbacks (e.g. XShmPutImage needs an XPutImage fallback for network connections)18:50
divVerenttherefore, I wonder why everyone wants to start from scratch, and not work on an "X12"18:50
keriodivVerent: because NIH18:51
divVerentespecially the "all you ever need is OpenGL anyway" sounds right... but is not, once you need more than one window in your program :P18:51
divVerentyes... but thanks to Ubuntu, Wayland has no future, and thanks to Wayland, MIR has none :P18:52
divVerentWayland actually tries SOME X11 compatibility, as in, you can run a Wayland display on X11, and X11 software on Wayland by use of either a protocol translator or a library18:52
divVerent(or is it a library only, and the protocol translator is Xnest?)18:53
kerio"One wonders whether it's really a good idea to name it after a space station that the Russians abandoned and allowed to burn up once they decided that going it alone on something as complex and expensive as a space station wasn't really practical."18:53
freemangordondivVerent: I guess they think QML will do the job for app compatibility18:53
divVerentin a way, X11's network transparency was actually a bad idea - in retrospect18:53
divVerentif it weren't for X11 forwarding, Oracle would NEVER have made graphical installers for database18:53
freemangordonwhich is bullshit (QML thingie)18:53
divVerentwhich means, you NEED to have X11 stuff installed on a database server JUST so that the installer can run18:54
keriodivVerent: hahahaha what18:54
divVerentyes, really18:54
divVerentyou can use a response file18:54
keriohahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha18:54
divVerentbut no interactive console install18:54
divVerentalso, even if you do use a response file18:54
divVerentit still requires X11 libs and a working $DISPLAY18:54
divVerentdespite only using it for testing whether it works18:54
keriowhy would you want an installer18:54
divVerentbecause Oracle18:54
divVerentactually, the Oracle installer DOES some useful things18:54
freemangordonkerio: ever installed oracle?18:55
divVerentbut a script to be run after installation would work too18:55
keriofreemangordon: nope18:55
kerioit's not in the repos18:55
divVerenthehe18:55
divVerentin theory all the Oracle installer does COULD also be done by a script installed by a package manager... "apt-get install oracle-database" would not yield a working DB yet18:55
divVerentand it IS too many questions to solve this by debconf questions :P18:55
divVerenteven may involve formatting partitions for use by ASM18:55
keriodivVerent: apt-get install nginx doesn't yield a working web server18:55
divVerentkerio: that is nginx's fault ;)18:56
divVerentfor Apache this works18:56
divVerentit works so well even, it tells you that "It works"!18:56
keriodivVerent: apt-get install apache doesn't create my website18:56
divVerentno, just a web server18:56
kerioand really, would you ever use apache's default config? :)18:56
divVerentwhich is what you asked for :P18:56
kerionginx gives you a default page i thin18:56
keriok18:56
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divVerentoh, then it does work18:56
divVerentand no fault at nginx :P18:56
divVerentthe package manager's job is done once port 80 is listening and shows SOMETHING :P18:57
merlin1991hm oracle18:57
divVerent(or actually, I am split whether the package manager should actually ENABLE services...)18:57
* merlin1991 still wants to know why running exp for utf8 is so weirdly obscure18:57
merlin1991or why the help argument isn't --help /? -? -h but HELP=Y18:58
divVerentah, THIS exp ;)18:58
divVerentyes... HELP=Y is insane18:58
divVerentalso, did one really HAVE to invent tnsnames.ora?18:58
divVerentlistener.ora I can understand18:59
merlin1991for utf8 export you need to set the NLS_LANG env properly, no commandline option for exp afaik18:59
divVerentbut most of what tnsnames.ora does can be handles better e.g. via SRV records18:59
divVerentstill, that's probably one of the smallest issues with Oracle :P18:59
divVerentI mean, it doesn't even really support NULL18:59
merlin1991every time I touch oracle it drives me partly insane19:00
divVerent(or it doesn't support the empty string, whichever way you prefer seeing it)19:00
divVerentin Oracle, empty string '' and NULL are the same thing... annoying19:00
divVerentyou don't WANT to know all sorts of workarounds for this we have here at work19:00
keriopostgres ftw19:00
divVerente.g. when an empty field was confirmed by the user and thus should stay empty, putting a single space into the database19:00
divVerentor stuff similar to that19:00
keriodivVerent: how do i distinguish between empty field and single space in the field?19:01
merlin1991also WHY doesn't it suport LIMIT / TOP / something else euqally useable in its sql dialect19:01
divVerentSQL language wise, I highly prefer MySQL... it seems the most sane there. But it loses in other areas vs Postgres...19:01
divVerentcan't even do real partitions...19:01
divVerentDROP TABLE dual19:01
divVerentnow your oracle is fixed ;)19:01
divVerentor, rather... REALLY broken19:01
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divVerentwhat also annoys me with MySQL is that so many features depend on database type it's not funny any more... situations like19:02
merlin1991I side with kerio19:02
merlin1991postgres ftw :D19:02
divVerent"Feature A only works in InnoDB, Feature B only is indexed properly in MyISAM and is slow in InnoDB"19:03
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merlin1991divVerent: also mysql is oracle now ;)19:03
divVerentyes... MySQL is best SQL-language feature wise, but...19:03
divVerentPostgres is the one I'd rather entrust my data to19:03
divVerentand also behaves most consistent19:03
merlin1991though the default config on debianfor postgres is funky19:03
divVerentmerlin1991: one can always use MariaDB instead, which means virtually zero development, but at least keeping a working state :P19:03
divVerentalso, why is it so hard for ALL these DBs to authenticate by unix users?19:04
merlin1991prints whole sql statements to log on every error/warning/whatever19:04
divVerentwhy do we NEED database passwords, when we access it only locally anyway19:04
keriodivVerent: eeeeew19:04
merlin1991divVerent: postgres does it ;)19:04
divVerentunix sockets exist. Server can query user ID of client.19:04
kerioah yes19:04
divVerentand yes, I quite like CGI/suexec for hosting different sites... each site/software on a separate user ID is quite a good thing19:04
divVerentso if one site is hacked, it doesn't automatically get access to data of all the others19:05
divVerentlike PHP, exploit web server with PHP, now recursively search for config.inc files... voila, LOTS of database accounts...19:05
kerio>i quite like cgi19:05
keriowhat the hell19:05
divVerentCGI's main issue is TEH SLOW19:05
divVerentdue to recreating the process all the time19:06
divVerentFastCGI solves that, and still can be su'd :P19:06
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kerionginx reverse proxying to a twisted.web.server19:06
divVerentusing twisted in production? THAT is... funny19:06
divVerenthm... apparently it IS production grade now, so why not19:07
merlin1991hm ngnic proxy for gunicorn19:07
merlin1991way more fun ;)19:07
kerioooh, plenty of CVEs for xen19:07
divVerentoh no19:08
divVerentthat means SPAM19:08
divVerentonce I get the Red Hat messages...19:08
divVerentwe use RHEL at work and I have a RH account... so let's see when I will get the spam :P19:08
keriodivVerent: here's the debian alert: https://lwn.net/Articles/541051/19:08
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divVerentwell, we don't use RHEL19:09
keriocentos?19:09
divVerentI mean19:09
divVerentdon't use Xen19:09
divVerentwe use RHEL19:09
divVerentwell, we ALMOST don't use Xen19:09
divVerenta certain supplier accidentally installed Xen on the production servers they made19:09
divVerentas in, used the Xen kernel19:10
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merlin1991let me guess the server got sanctioned "done" and kernel shall not be changed anymore19:10
divVerentit is in production19:10
divVerentand they compiled a custom kernel module for the kernel19:10
divVerentso it's kinda hard to fix it NOW :(19:10
divVerentthere's currently an email fight to get them to supply kernel module sources or a module compiled for the standard kernel19:11
merlin1991heh, image, rebuild locally, test, scp, reboot to complete system failure19:11
merlin1991dafuq? kernel module wihout sources?19:12
freemangordonmerlin1991: yep, why?19:12
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merlin1991don't you need to move your funky closed code somewehre else and make a gpl "proxy" to stay compliant with the kernel gpl?19:13
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freemangordonmerlin1991: AFAIK you can just taint the kernel19:44
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divVerentas for module without source: in a work contract that is legall19:46
freemangordonmerlin1991: check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadable_kernel_module, "License issues"19:47
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: hey, are you there ?21:55
DocScrutinizer05no, sorry. Busy. So if it's more than a short answer to a short question, better try later to pick me up21:56
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XATRIXYep, ok21:57
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freemangordonjacekowski: ping22:58
jacekowskifreemangordon: pong23:08
freemangordonjacekowski: I wanted to ask what should I add to sources.list in order to use your repo, but already figured it out. :)23:11
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sardinihello23:59

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