IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2013-03-03

Pali	and when detect it is loaded it sleep in select/poll for changes	00:00
*** sq-one_ has joined #maemo		00:01
XATRIX	Guys, is it possible to make my device to be very responsible while it should detect the idle(when i don't directly use it) state and turn itself to low power-consumption mode ?	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: maemo always enters low power mode when not used	00:02
DocScrutinizer05	even for sub-second durations of "idle"	00:02
XATRIX	hmm	00:02
ShadowJK	In some cases, it can enter low power idle even with screen on	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: it's not like your usual desktop linux that needs hibernate or suspend to save energy	00:03
XATRIX	scaling_governor ?	00:04
kerio	as long as your background processes are written correctly	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	among others, yes	00:04
*** sq-one has quit IRC		00:04
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: though mostly zero-clock and general smartreflex design	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: the idea is OMAP SoC shutting down every subsystem all the time during idle	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	even CPU	00:05
XATRIX	but smartreflxex is only possible with pk	00:05
XATRIX	isn't it ?	00:05
kerio	not necessarily, the governor does something very, very similar	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	smartreflex is more than just hardware CPU clock adjustment	00:06
XATRIX	never saw my system was shut down completly...	00:06
XATRIX	every time my cpu is doing something	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	actually maemo doesn't use the CPU clock function of SR	00:06
kerio	the point is that it doesn't need to shut down to make the cpu idle	00:06
XATRIX	it doesn't even clock-down to 250 at least 10% of a time	00:06
kerio	XATRIX: yeah, you've done something really wrong	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: each time you "look" your system is actually doing something	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	;-P	00:07
SpeedEvil	look at power top	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	only way	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	powertop	00:07
XATRIX	hm	00:07
SpeedEvil	it should stay idle for several seconds at a time	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	~power	00:07
infobot	rumour has it, power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption	00:07
SpeedEvil	3.5s is tpyoically piowsiblle	00:07
kerio	C4 \| 85.4% \| 1025.8ms	00:08
XATRIX	http://fpaste.org/HEFr/	00:08
kerio	and now i feel disappointed	00:08
XATRIX	kerio: yep! :)	00:08
kerio	wtf is that shit	00:08
XATRIX	It's my bme :)	00:09
XATRIX	screwdup	00:09
kerio	nope	00:09
kerio	no way you're pulling 5A from the battery	00:09
XATRIX	Wanna connect via ssh ;)	00:10
XATRIX	?	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: that looks pretty normal to me	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	(paste)	00:10
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: wat	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	not?	00:10
kerio	-5677mA	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	that's definitely bogus	00:11
XATRIX	it means it charges up to 5A :)	00:11
XATRIX	I have charger applied	00:11
XATRIX	Even my car 65A battery can't charge up with 5A :)))) (joke)	00:11
DocScrutinizer05	meh, you probbaly have bme-replacement or bq27200.ko module loaded	00:12
XATRIX	don't know :(	00:12
XATRIX	no module loaded	00:12
DocScrutinizer05	or dunno what else your code you ran to get that output is doing	00:12
Zaerc	XATRIX: my 8Ah bicycle battery can ;)	00:12
XATRIX	Zaerc: you're killing it ;)	00:13
Zaerc	no, it's LiPo, it can handle much more then that	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: add "set +v" at top of that script you run to get http://fpaste.org/HEFr/	00:13
kerio	what's that script anyway	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	I guess sth from http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption	00:13
XATRIX	em...what should i do ?	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	tell us what "software" you used to get http://fpaste.org/HEFr/	00:14
XATRIX	http://fpaste.org/SOGz/	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: meh	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	I didn't say "use powerstta +v"	00:15
XATRIX	http://fpaste.org/54VK/	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	if [[ -e /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/current_now ]]	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	checks if bq27200.ko is loaded	00:16
*** zeq has quit IRC		00:16
DocScrutinizer05	and if so, it's using it	00:16
XATRIX	Nokia-N900:~# lsmod \| grep bq27200	00:16
XATRIX	Nokia-N900:~#	00:17
kerio	kp51's bq27x00_battery is fubar	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	do "lsmod\|grep bq"	00:17
kerio	there's never been such thing as "bq27200.ko"	00:17
XATRIX	bq27x00_battery 6480 0	00:17
XATRIX	power_supply 6916 1 bq27x00_battery	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	see?	00:17
XATRIX	:(	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	that's even full bme-replacement, as far as kernel is involved	00:18
kerio	if it's not a problem, reflash and don't install shit you don't understand the purpose of	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	you isntalled bme replacement	00:18
XATRIX	:(	00:18
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: not quite, it's missing bq24150x_charger	00:18
kerio	and rx51_battery	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	mhm	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	nfc	00:18
kerio	me neither \_o_/	00:18
kerio	XATRIX: wtf bro	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	anyway both modules are suspicious to say the least	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	bq27x00.ko should be blacklisted in normal KP	00:19
XATRIX	I thought it should give me some extra batter life :(	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	since it borks bme	00:19
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it's never, ever, ever, ever, ever automatically loaded	00:19
XATRIX	but it just fucked things up :(	00:20
kerio	you can blacklist a module when there's something that loads modules automatically	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: I told you NOT to install anything you think might improve your battery life - since it won't	00:20
XATRIX	Yep... But i did it before you actually told me about	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	so you know by now	00:21
XATRIX	:(	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	and that's also the explanation for your bogus readout of 5A charging	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	and of flawed charging	00:21
kerio	afaik the latest bme replacement packages depend on kp52	00:21
kerio	and for a good reason	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	s/of/for/	00:21
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: and for flawed charging	00:21
kerio	kp51's bq27k module reports wrong values	00:22
teotwaki	It's probably stealing those values illegally.	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: didn't you say you had reflashed? or were about to do?	00:22
XATRIX	Where can i find an image to flash that doesn't actually eats 8G for partition ?	00:22
kerio	teotwaki: i chuckled	00:22
XATRIX	I'm going to reflash it tonight... Actually now	00:22
XATRIX	I'm just getting prepared	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: sorry? 8GB partition??	00:23
kerio	http://maemo.jacekowski.org/ binary/firmware/ has the fiascos	00:23
XATRIX	Yea, the default image i can flash cuts over 8G for things	00:23
XATRIX	So you have 32-8G	00:23
kerio	XATRIX: no it doesn't	00:23
kerio	i'm not entirely sure of what you're smoking	00:24
kerio	but it must be good	00:24
XATRIX	And there i saw an image with reduced /home or whatever that eats 32-2G	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	that's normal	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	maybe you patched your fiasco image like suggested in	00:25
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	00:25
infobot	jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	00:25
DocScrutinizer05	and forgot about it?	00:25
XATRIX	Nope.. i didn't	00:25
DocScrutinizer05	then I'd like to second kerio on his question	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	rather statement	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	/dev/mmcblk0p1 28G 16G 12G 58% /home/user/MyDocs	00:27
DocScrutinizer05	/dev/mmcblk0p2 2,0G 846M 1,1G 45% /home	00:28
XATRIX	what is the most recent one firmware ?	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	PR1.3 aka 36 iirc	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	~skeiron	00:29
infobot	skeiron is probably the semi-official backup and emergency standin for all internet borne maemo resources: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	00:29
DocScrutinizer05	PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	00:30
*** larrfed has quit IRC		00:30
DocScrutinizer05	md5sum: b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	HTH	00:32
kerio	MD5 (combined-pr13.fiasco) = b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784	00:34
kerio	MD5 (vanilla-pr13.fiasco) = 488809ff96a0a05479d692e9f77aeb4f	00:34
*** jrocha has joined #maemo		00:36
DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/fbaec5084a	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	flashdat, profit	00:38
*** Darkchaos has quit IRC		00:38
DocScrutinizer05	do NOT install "1337 stuff" that promises to improve battery life or device speed	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: since your knowledge you base those assumptions on is obviously not sufficient, regarding how maemo / OMAP works	00:39
XATRIX	yea :(	00:40
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: that's a partitioning for noobs!	00:41
kerio	http://privatepaste.com/4e9eb3a1f3	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	maemo pure is really fine, until you start spoiling it with such stuff	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: that's the partitioning of stock maemo	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	you suppose Nokia's maemo devels were noobs?	00:42
kerio	yep :P	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	ktnx	00:42
kerio	not really noobs, just deeply misguided by the marketing department	00:42
*** aloril has quit IRC		00:43
XATRIX	http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1po23AuXKns#at=49	00:47
XATRIX	meego dialer works well\	00:47
*** Pali has quit IRC		00:47
DocScrutinizer05	well, who misguided you then, to not even have swap on internal storage?	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	meh, meego dialer	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	how's that relevant?	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	also oh yeah, I see how great and responsive it acts on pressing any button, during first 30s	00:49
Macer	need my Tmobile Sim to show up already so I can cancel att	00:52
Macer	prepaid ftw	00:52
Macer	e7 works great.. i should see about trying to fix my n900	00:53
Macer	maybe open it and tighten the screws lol	00:53
DocScrutinizer05	no screws inside	00:53
Macer	after shoving a penny between whatever is broken	00:54
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: swap on emmc is a waste of space :P	00:54
Macer	but the e7 is awesome minus no more symbian :(	00:54
Macer	symbian was really becoming awesome when they dropped it	00:54
Macer	then again	00:55
Macer	so was maemo	00:55
Macer	so was meego	00:55
Macer	nokia is foolish lol	00:55
Macer	wonder if their ms phones are dominating the market now	00:55
DocScrutinizer05	no worries, according to this scheme they will stick with winphone forever	00:55
Macer	i know my lumia 900 still doesnt have a 7.8 update	00:56
*** aloril has joined #maemo		00:56
Macer	after it was supposed to have been released months ago	00:56
Macer	yeah	00:56
Macer	they already paid someone to take symbian for maintenance	00:56
*** bsdmaniak_ has joined #maemo		00:56
Macer	whatever that means	00:56
Macer	someone should decompile symbian and put it on tpb heh	00:57
Macer	or unlock the e7 so i can put maemo on it :)	00:57
Macer	e7 was built better	00:57
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		00:58
Macer	how can china make better qa products than finland and korea?	00:58
Macer	can't believe I didn't have 1 but 2 break from different countries	00:59
Macer	lol	00:59
Macer	fail	00:59
*** bsdmaniak has quit IRC		00:59
*** int_ua has joined #maemo		01:00
Macer	there are only a few things that make symbian sucj which would probably take 1 day to fix	01:01
Macer	no statusbar notification for new email	01:01
Macer	no tabbed ssh app	01:01
Macer	and no telepathy :(	01:01
Macer	i loved n900 IM/txting	01:01
Macer	telepathy was absolutely awesome	01:01
*** EgS has joined #maemo		01:03
XATRIX	I wonder if the swap speed is equal to memory speed ?	01:03
XATRIX	It's located also on NAND	01:03
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: no. swap is located on eMMC while memory is RAM and located somewhere on the OMAP3430 SoC's PoP chip	01:06
XATRIX	ARM7 != OMAP ?	01:07
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, your questions are all a bit strange	01:08
DocScrutinizer05	ARM7 is a CPU core basically, while OMAP is a series of SoC built by TI	01:08
*** otep has quit IRC		01:09
DocScrutinizer05	so how to answer queations that sound like	01:09
DocScrutinizer05	Intel-X86 != Acer?	01:10
XATRIX	Maybe i missunderstand the difference	01:10
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		01:10
XATRIX	Actually i thought that arm,omap,sparc,x86 are all the different archs	01:11
DocScrutinizer05	OMAP is a SoC that has an ARM CPU core among other things	01:11
DocScrutinizer05	so no, omap is an arm architecture	01:11
*** sq-one_ has quit IRC		01:12
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# uname -a	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	armv7l	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	omap1	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=14649&navigationId=12643&templateId=6123	01:14
DocScrutinizer05	>>The OMAP3430 is the first applications processor in the industry to integrate the ARM® Cortex™-A8 superscalar microprocessor core <<	01:15
XATRIX	Sounds you're right	01:15
*** croppa has joined #maemo		01:20
XATRIX	can i actually power my system up without battery in ?	01:21
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		01:23
XATRIX	also i found a new batter for my device :) KEVA 1700mAh :)	01:25
kerio	yeah right	01:25
kerio	well, vi____ has a 1600mAh one	01:26
XATRIX	it's new, so it's gonna to have energy as long as hell :)	01:26
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: nope, powering up without battery (or other special equipment) isn't possible	01:26
XATRIX	my acer netbook can be powered up while the batt is out	01:26
*** OkropNick has quit IRC		01:27
*** pcfe has quit IRC		01:29
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		01:29
*** pcfe has quit IRC		01:29
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		01:29
*** mzanetti has quit IRC		01:30
DocScrutinizer05	some of my freerunners can be powered up while battery is out	01:30
*** bsdmaniak_ has quit IRC		01:30
XATRIX	hmm	01:32
DocScrutinizer05	the N900 has a bq24150 charger chip. Frerunner has PCF50633 PMU chip	01:34
DocScrutinizer05	dunno what acer is using, but I'm sure it has a more sophisticated power distribution	01:34
XATRIX	ah . ok	01:37
*** BCMM has quit IRC		01:37
XATRIX	is it correct if i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade after i flash it ?	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	NO!	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	apt-get dist-upgrade is absolutely forbidden	01:38
XATRIX	O_o	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	upgrade also is deprecated	01:38
DocScrutinizer05	maemo has a very special way to handle upgrade packages and dependencies	01:39
XATRIX	so i don't have to install even any toolchain thigs to ?	01:39
DocScrutinizer05	what for?	01:39
XATRIX	grep,find,fdisk,cp,mv... ?	01:40
kerio	why the hell would you have to install cp	01:41
DocScrutinizer05	depends, most of them come with busybox already	01:42
Zaerc	aren't some of those available in the tools repo?	01:42
DocScrutinizer05	find/locate is an own package that is better than the busybox crippled stuff, you can install it, see	01:42
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	01:42
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	01:42
XATRIX	ok, will try to find it out	01:44
XATRIX	so, as i assume NO apt-get completely ?	01:44
Zaerc	unless you enjoy reflashing... ;)	01:45
XATRIX	nope	01:45
XATRIX	also, do i have to strictly charge my batt to 100% or i can start flashing with >~60-70% ?	01:47
XATRIX	Or it does measures batt levels during reflash ?	01:47
*** valerius2k is now known as valeriusN		01:48
*** jrocha has quit IRC		01:50
*** florian has quit IRC		01:51
*** cantcode has joined #maemo		01:51
Zaerc	why is everyone so obsessed about the battery?	01:53
XATRIX	I'd like to use it more effeciently	01:54
ccxCZ	0xFFFF fails to find my n900 when I use it from my laptop	01:54
ccxCZ	from my desktop it worked	01:55
XATRIX	ok...see you tomorrow guys. gotta go now	01:55
Zaerc	XATRIX: and look at the results ;>	01:55
XATRIX	sleep well!	01:55
Zaerc	bye	01:55
*** XATRIX has quit IRC		01:55
*** shawnjefferson has joined #maemo		01:56
*** dos1 has quit IRC		01:57
shawnjefferson	quick question: in the repos what's the difference between fremantle and fremantle-1.3?	01:58
DocScrutinizer05	ATM nothing afaik	01:58
DocScrutinizer05	it got introduced when we had versioning issues with fremantle1.2	01:59
*** NeutrinoPower has joined #maemo		02:00
shawnjefferson	hmm' ok. In a post on tmo, it was mentioned that one has hashsum errors and one doesn't in extra-devel, and that seems to be the case.	02:00
DocScrutinizer05	unlikely	02:01
DocScrutinizer05	iirc one is a symlink to the other	02:02
DocScrutinizer05	or, if fremantle was actually a symlink to fremantle1.2, then it's outadted for 1.3 and shouldn't get used	02:02
shawnjefferson	well, i was able to install from one and not from the other via apt-get (pastebinit). But a symlink makes sense...	02:03
*** valerius has quit IRC		02:04
*** Chiku\|dc has quit IRC		02:04
*** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC		02:04
*** DocScrutinizer05 has quit IRC		02:04
*** perlite has quit IRC		02:04
*** ssvb has quit IRC		02:04
*** StyXman has quit IRC		02:04
*** nslu2-log has quit IRC		02:04
*** tom__ has quit IRC		02:04
*** Sc0rpius has quit IRC		02:04
*** valeriusL has quit IRC		02:04
*** jaska has quit IRC		02:04
*** XDS2010 has quit IRC		02:04
*** t0h has quit IRC		02:04
*** RP_ has quit IRC		02:04
*** orlok has quit IRC		02:04
*** brzys has quit IRC		02:04
*** RP_ has joined #maemo		02:04
*** ssvb has joined #maemo		02:04
*** DocScrutinizer05 has joined #maemo		02:04
DocScrutinizer05	I could check on repository.maemo.org VM but ...	02:04
DocScrutinizer05	wtf	02:04
*** orlok has joined #maemo		02:04
*** tom__ has joined #maemo		02:04
*** t0h has joined #maemo		02:04
DocScrutinizer05	sorry	02:04
DocScrutinizer05	...but I'm too lazy	02:05
*** nslu2-log has joined #maemo		02:05
shawnjefferson	maybe I installed an old version of pastebinit then? 1.3-2maemo1 is what I have.	02:06
*** XDS2010 has joined #maemo		02:06
*** brzys has joined #maemo		02:06
*** techlife has quit IRC		02:07
*** valerius has joined #maemo		02:07
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# apt-cache policy pastebinit	02:08
DocScrutinizer05	pastebinit:	02:08
DocScrutinizer05	Installed: 1.3-2maemo1	02:08
DocScrutinizer05	I don't think it's from extras though	02:08
*** croppa has quit IRC		02:08
*** techlife has joined #maemo		02:09
*** jaska has joined #maemo		02:10
*** StyXman has joined #maemo		02:10
*** gn00b has joined #maemo		02:12
*** croppa has joined #maemo		02:13
*** Sc0rpius has joined #maemo		02:13
*** jpinx has joined #maemo		02:13
*** zeq1 has quit IRC		02:14
*** futpib has quit IRC		02:19
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		02:23
DocScrutinizer05	hmm http://maemo.org/packages/view/pastebinit/	02:27
shawnjefferson	It was/is extra-devel that has hashsum errors isn't it?	02:33
*** kolp has quit IRC		02:43
*** shawnjefferson has quit IRC		02:43
DocScrutinizer05	I'm more concerned why merlin1991 doesn't already fix those hashsum errors	02:48
DocScrutinizer05	I'd hate to have to do it myself	02:48
*** arcean_ has quit IRC		03:04
*** LauRoman has quit IRC		03:08
*** mvp_ has quit IRC		03:10
*** hanning has joined #maemo		03:25
hanning	hi, is there a way to run xbmc on maemo?	03:25
Zaerc	I have tried under easy-debian, no luck so far	03:31
hanning	:/	03:31
Zaerc	I need to do more research into this openGL-ES thingy	03:32
*** qwazix has quit IRC		03:33
*** qwazix has joined #maemo		03:34
Zaerc	so it was a bit of an half-assed attempt	03:34
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		03:35
hanning	xbmc is available for ARM, and is already running on the beagleboard (which got tha same hardware?)	03:35
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		03:35
Zaerc	yeah I think it's possible	03:36
hanning	therefore i expected to find a deb quite easily :(	03:36
Zaerc	I just haven't figured out how yet, others may have	03:36
*** gn00b has quit IRC		03:42
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		03:48
*** hardaker has quit IRC		03:53
*** cantcode is now known as banana_pee		03:55
*** jpinx has quit IRC		03:55
*** valeriusN has left #maemo		04:07
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		04:07
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		04:09
*** hardaker has quit IRC		04:13
*** nox- has quit IRC		04:15
Zaerc	hmmm	04:16
Zaerc	just wondering	04:17
Zaerc	is there any information on what sets the SDK apart form a regular arm-toolchain?	04:17
DocScrutinizer05	maybe the qemu?	04:20
DocScrutinizer05	maybe scratchbox?	04:20
DocScrutinizer05	define "regular arm toolchain"	04:20
Zaerc	well I was thinking more along the lines of specially patched libraries and tools and such	04:20
Zaerc	I mean I can just run an armel system under qemu	04:21
Zaerc	and then use the build environment there	04:22
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		04:22
Zaerc	but that won't have all the antiquated versions and patches	04:22
Zaerc	(am I making any sense?)	04:22
Zaerc	hmm, maybe if I used the old "lenny" and then added the sdk repos	04:24
*** Aoyagi has quit IRC		04:25
*** Aoyagi has joined #maemo		04:26
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		04:29
DocScrutinizer05	I think there's not much special in every part of the SDK	04:30
Zaerc	I'll just give it a try for the heck of it	04:31
DocScrutinizer05	and actually some guys have managed to comile/build natively on N900, under an easydeb chroot for sufficient free space in filesystem.	04:31
DocScrutinizer05	also there's madde, which works somewhat different, maybe you want to check this as well	04:32
Zaerc	I'm on a bit of an adventure to see if I can get a newer version of pulseaudio to build	04:32
Zaerc	yeah easydeb kicks ass	04:32
DocScrutinizer05	re PA I think others tried that and ran into conflicts	04:33
Zaerc	I got the raspberry pi image to work under there	04:33
Zaerc	yeah so far it looks like it will be quite a pain to get it done	04:34
* Zaerc likes puzzles		04:35
DocScrutinizer05	seems in the end you'll find one part is not matching, for the PA puzzle	04:36
*** vblazquez has quit IRC		04:38
Zaerc	yeah that is not uncommon, and I figured if it was easy someon would have done it already	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	there are closed blobs plugins for PA, which might not work with newer versions of PA	04:39
*** norrsken__ has joined #maemo		04:39
Zaerc	ah, that is good to know	04:39
Zaerc	I wasn't expecting to succeed anyway	04:39
Zaerc	it's more a bit of an excercize	04:40
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo		04:40
*** jpinx has joined #maemo		04:42
*** norrsken___ has quit IRC		04:42
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		04:42
*** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo		04:54
*** maybeWTF has joined #maemo		05:01
*** maybeHere has quit IRC		05:04
*** n900-dk_ has joined #maemo		05:16
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		05:17
*** n900-dk has quit IRC		05:18
*** mickname has quit IRC		05:18
*** mickname has joined #maemo		05:18
*** uen\| has joined #maemo		05:20
*** uen has quit IRC		05:23
*** uen\| is now known as uen		05:23
*** pcfe has quit IRC		05:26
*** hardaker has quit IRC		05:27
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		05:30
*** pcfe has quit IRC		05:30
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		05:30
*** ccxCZ has quit IRC		05:30
*** fasta has quit IRC		05:30
*** Kilroo has quit IRC		05:30
*** GuySoft has quit IRC		05:30
*** flux has quit IRC		05:30
*** q_plaz has quit IRC		05:30
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		05:30
*** ccxCZ has joined #maemo		05:34
*** techlife has quit IRC		05:34
*** GuySoft has joined #maemo		05:35
*** hardaker has quit IRC		05:35
*** techlife has joined #maemo		05:35
*** Kilroo has joined #maemo		05:36
*** q_plaz has joined #maemo		05:38
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		05:41
*** leochencipher has left #maemo		05:41
*** valerius has quit IRC		05:42
*** hardaker has quit IRC		05:49
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		05:53
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		05:53
*** fasta has joined #maemo		05:55
*** flux has joined #maemo		05:55
*** fasta has quit IRC		05:55
*** fasta has joined #maemo		05:55
*** dockane_ has joined #maemo		06:00
*** valerius has joined #maemo		06:01
*** DocScrutinizer05 has quit IRC		06:01
*** DocScrutinizer06 has joined #maemo		06:01
*** DocScrutinizer06 is now known as DocScrutinizer05		06:01
*** hardaker has quit IRC		06:02
*** Aoyagi has left #maemo		06:03
*** dockane has quit IRC		06:04
*** lxp has quit IRC		06:04
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		06:06
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		06:07
*** Smily has quit IRC		06:16
*** lxp has joined #maemo		06:17
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC		06:19
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo		06:21
*** hardaker has quit IRC		06:23
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		06:27
*** loganbr has joined #maemo		06:29
*** hardaker has quit IRC		06:31
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		06:31
*** ovn has joined #maemo		06:38
*** ovn has quit IRC		06:39
*** hardaker has quit IRC		06:41
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		06:53
*** valerius2k has joined #maemo		07:01
*** pcfe has quit IRC		07:05
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		07:05
*** pcfe has quit IRC		07:05
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		07:05
*** pcfe has quit IRC		07:16
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		07:16
*** pcfe has quit IRC		07:16
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		07:16
*** Neutron110 has joined #maemo		07:18
*** inz_ has joined #maemo		07:20
*** chem\|st_ has joined #maemo		07:20
*** Kilroo has quit IRC		07:20
*** Termana- has joined #maemo		07:21
*** shpaq` has joined #maemo		07:22
*** d2biG has joined #maemo		07:23
*** chadi_ has joined #maemo		07:24
*** mhoye_ has joined #maemo		07:24
*** Kilroo has joined #maemo		07:25
*** FlameReaper has joined #maemo		07:25
*** straind` has joined #maemo		07:26
*** inz has quit IRC		07:27
*** Termana has quit IRC		07:27
*** chem\|st has quit IRC		07:27
*** shpaq has quit IRC		07:27
*** dRbiG has quit IRC		07:27
*** chadi has quit IRC		07:27
*** Neutron19 has quit IRC		07:27
*** straind has quit IRC		07:27
*** mhoye has quit IRC		07:27
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		07:27
*** vblazquez has quit IRC		07:28
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo		07:29
*** jpinx has quit IRC		07:29
*** TTilus has quit IRC		07:30
*** TTilus has joined #maemo		07:31
*** techlife has quit IRC		07:33
*** rm_you has quit IRC		07:35
*** Neutron110 has quit IRC		07:36
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		07:36
*** techlife has joined #maemo		07:36
*** Neutron110 has joined #maemo		07:37
*** nslu2-log_ has joined #maemo		07:37
*** Gh0sty_ has joined #maemo		07:39
*** straind has joined #maemo		07:39
*** FlameReaper has quit IRC		07:40
*** FlameReaper has joined #maemo		07:41
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		07:42
*** nslu2-log has quit IRC		07:43
*** straind` has quit IRC		07:43
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC		07:43
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC		07:43
*** Gh0sty_ is now known as Gh0sty		07:43
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo		07:43
*** nslu2-log_ is now known as nslu2-log		07:44
*** nusse_ has joined #maemo		07:50
*** Jaffa_ has joined #maemo		07:50
*** nusse has quit IRC		07:52
*** Jaffa has quit IRC		07:52
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC		07:52
*** pcfe has quit IRC		07:52
*** amospalla has quit IRC		07:52
*** timeless has quit IRC		07:52
*** phunguy has quit IRC		07:52
*** Gizmokid2005 has quit IRC		07:52
*** Drathir has quit IRC		07:52
*** Drathir has joined #maemo		07:52
*** techlife has quit IRC		07:56
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo		07:56
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		07:56
*** amospalla has joined #maemo		07:56
*** timeless has joined #maemo		07:56
*** phunguy has joined #maemo		07:56
*** Gizmokid2005 has joined #maemo		07:56
*** techlife has joined #maemo		08:02
*** DHR has quit IRC		08:04
*** DHR has joined #maemo		08:04
*** hanning has quit IRC		08:05
*** hanning has joined #maemo		08:05
*** valerius has quit IRC		08:15
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC		08:15
*** zogg_ has quit IRC		08:15
*** valerius has joined #maemo		08:18
*** robbiethe1st has quit IRC		08:21
*** Smily has joined #maemo		08:35
*** hardaker has quit IRC		08:35
*** Smily has quit IRC		08:38
*** Smily has joined #maemo		08:39
*** MetalGearSolid07 has joined #maemo		08:46
*** otep has joined #maemo		08:47
*** MetalGearSolid07 has quit IRC		08:50
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC		08:50
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo		08:51
*** Darkchaos has joined #maemo		09:01
*** infobot has quit IRC		09:03
*** ian--- has quit IRC		09:06
*** FlameReaper has quit IRC		09:07
*** e-yes has quit IRC		09:30
*** shamus has quit IRC		09:34
*** shamus has joined #maemo		09:34
*** saidinesh5 has quit IRC		09:41
*** saidinesh5 has joined #maemo		09:41
*** inz_ has quit IRC		09:42
*** e-yes has joined #maemo		09:42
*** inz has joined #maemo		09:43
*** int_ua has quit IRC		09:55
*** luf has joined #maemo		10:00
*** pcfe has quit IRC		10:07
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		10:07
*** pcfe has quit IRC		10:07
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		10:07
*** jpinx has joined #maemo		10:16
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i think that the on-device toolchain is not inside easydeb, it's inside a maemo sdk chroot jail	10:30
Zaerc	I agree, but I don't think that's what he meant to say	10:32
Zaerc	at least, that's not how I understood it	10:32
*** cityLights has joined #maemo		10:37
*** dhbiker has joined #maemo		10:39
*** d2biG is now known as dRbiG		10:42
*** Hurrian has quit IRC		10:45
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo		10:46
*** sixwheeledbeast has joined #maemo		10:52
*** futpib has joined #maemo		10:57
*** sq-one has joined #maemo		11:03
*** OkropNick has joined #maemo		11:09
*** LauRoman has joined #maemo		11:15
*** RzR has quit IRC		11:16
*** RzR has joined #maemo		11:18
*** vblazquez has quit IRC		11:24
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo		11:27
*** _rd has joined #maemo		11:32
*** Vlad_on_the_road has joined #maemo		11:37
*** XATRIX has joined #maemo		11:41
XATRIX	Hi, any idea how can i toggle progress dots to kernel loading screen ?	11:42
XATRIX	dmesg messages with tux on the screen	11:42
*** sq-one has quit IRC		11:46
Hurrian	XATRIX: fbcon	11:54
XATRIX	ok, but can i change it with simply disabling 'quiet'kernel param in a bootloader section ?	11:55
Hurrian	Nope, SGX driver doesn't play with console.	11:55
Hurrian	You'll need to load fbcon first, then once booting is done, unload it and start Xserver	11:55
XATRIX	hm	11:57
XATRIX	also, i'm gonna test NITdroid an later reflash to maemo )	11:58
XATRIX	just wanna see how it is	11:59
Hurrian	Save yourself the trouble, NITDroid at this point is ass.	12:00
Hurrian	Unless you really need an Android device.	12:00
XATRIX	It doesn't support voice calls	12:01
XATRIX	so i just simply want to see how it looks likes by myself	12:01
Hurrian	It's AOSP Android, except that it's quite slow.	12:02
Hurrian	Well, not as slow as the SDK emulator, but slower than a cheap ARMv6 Android with 512MB RAM.	12:02
XATRIX	AOSP ?	12:02
Hurrian	Android Open Source Project. Vanilla Android.	12:03
XATRIX	Ahh	12:03
XATRIX	Yea	12:03
*** loganbr` has joined #maemo		12:09
*** loganbr has quit IRC		12:13
*** arcean has joined #maemo		12:15
*** BigBoxDr_ has joined #maemo		12:17
*** loganbr`` has joined #maemo		12:19
XATRIX	Also is it possible to change I/O sheduller to 'noop' ?	12:21
*** loganbr` has quit IRC		12:22
*** Hurrian has quit IRC		12:25
*** Hurrian has joined #maemo		12:26
*** BigBoxDr_ has quit IRC		12:29
*** BigBoxD__ has joined #maemo		12:36
*** Pali has joined #maemo		12:36
*** kolp has joined #maemo		12:42
*** hanning has quit IRC		12:42
*** _rd has quit IRC		12:44
XATRIX	Hurrian: crap, i found the thing i want to use, it's not a fbcon , it's u-boot	12:45
Hurrian	XATRIX: Just flash Pali's package and set up kernel-power for u-boot.	12:46
*** Vrm1 has joined #maemo		12:46
XATRIX	wait, i'm currently experimenting with nitdroid.	12:46
XATRIX	just for test	12:46
*** futpib has quit IRC		12:47
*** futpib has joined #maemo		12:49
XATRIX	damn, i've placed a new file in /boot/bootmenu.d but it still loads up my initial kenrnel	12:52
Pali	did you called u-boot-update-bootmenu ?	12:53
XATRIX	Yep	12:54
XATRIX	maybe it's better to remove initial bootmenu.d record and leave only android one ?	12:56
XATRIX	now i changed it with:	12:57
XATRIX	10-cm900.item	12:57
XATRIX	20-Maemo5-kernel-power-2.6.28.10-power50.item	12:57
XATRIX	before it was 20-Mae.. 50-cm90..	12:57
XATRIX	Still no go	12:57
Pali	and which menu entires did you see in uboot?	12:57
XATRIX	actually nothing... it doesn't even ask me for something	12:58
Pali	open keyboard	12:58
XATRIX	just boots a starnard kernel	12:58
XATRIX	oh	12:58
Pali	with closed keyboard default entry is booted	12:58
XATRIX	cool way	12:58
Pali	default entry is attached kernel or entry configured in /etc/default/bootmenu.item (as symlink)	12:59
Pali	$ ln -sf /etc/bootmenu.d/<entry> /etc/default/bootmenu.item	13:00
*** pcfe has quit IRC		13:01
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		13:01
*** pcfe has quit IRC		13:01
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		13:01
*** FlameReaper has joined #maemo		13:02
XATRIX	i love this device	13:02
Pali	hm, somebody interesting in writing WIKI page about uboot for n900?	13:03
XATRIX	nope... i'm still very novice too it...maybe later i will do it	13:04
Pali	still lot of people do not know and cannot find info how to configure uboot...	13:04
Pali	I do not have time for it...	13:04
kerio	Pali: there's no uboot env saved anywhere, right?	13:04
*** jrocha has joined #maemo		13:04
XATRIX	when i will be much experienced	13:04
*** XATRIX has quit IRC		13:04
Pali	kerio, right	13:04
*** XATRIX has joined #maemo		13:04
Pali	env is hardcoded into uboot binary and some parts are loaded from bootmenu.scr	13:05
kerio	well, some parts are set by bootmenu.scr	13:05
*** banana_pee is now known as nick_exile		13:05
DocScrutinizer05	sigh	13:06
Pali	we do not have mtd partition for uboot env	13:06
Pali	and also onenand uboot code not working on n900	13:07
Pali	so no way for permanent env storage	13:07
Pali	and I'm against repartition nand memory for uboot...	13:07
XATRIX	android is slow as hell	13:08
XATRIX	it actually does the call. but i couldn't download tiny alsa from google. it told me file is infected	13:09
kerio	Pali: fwiw we could use initfs, but meh	13:09
kerio	stored uboot env is a pain in the ass to deal with anyway	13:09
Pali	kerio, hm, possible, but nand is not working...	13:09
Pali	but why you need permanent storage?	13:10
Pali	dynamic bootmenu working	13:10
Pali	and uboot for n900 is there only for booting other OS	13:11
Pali	and dynamic bootmenu is enought	13:11
XATRIX	crap , it's very slow (	13:12
XATRIX	and my handset is very hot O_O	13:12
*** loganbr`` has quit IRC		13:12
DocScrutinizer05	haha	13:13
XATRIX	:) what ?	13:13
*** fuz_ has quit IRC		13:14
Vrm1	Pali: How do I downgrade from 2.6.28-10power52 a step back to 51R1?	13:14
kerio	Vrm1: install the KP51 packages	13:14
kerio	but... why?	13:15
Zaerc	XATRIX: ah you've discovered the andriod hand-warmer feature ;)	13:15
XATRIX	)))	13:15
DocScrutinizer05	lol	13:15
XATRIX	in a winter-time i would think it's advantage ;)	13:16
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, plutonium battery for android comes next year	13:16
XATRIX	is it using the CPU up to 100% constantly ?	13:16
DocScrutinizer05	nfc, if I want an android device, I probably get a samsung	13:17
Hurrian	DocScrutinizer05, I thought it would be made of something more exotic, such as tritium.	13:18
XATRIX	samsung has better hw against nokia /	13:18
XATRIX	?	13:18
DocScrutinizer05	and even ships with android pre-installed	13:18
Hurrian	XATRIX: Against the Lumia series, yes, as they're simply Compal WP8 devices with a Lankku shell.	13:19
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: nexus 4	13:19
kerio	ridiculously cheaper	13:19
XATRIX	i thought n900 has quite good perfromance :)	13:20
XATRIX	just a 'calc-power'	13:20
XATRIX	shit, it's really hot O_O , i suppose EE guys implement some of T-fuses in...	13:21
*** valerius2k has quit IRC		13:21
*** valerius2k has joined #maemo		13:21
DocScrutinizer05	no, you can actually fry the N900, and I guess some android testers did	13:23
XATRIX	how can i reset the device ?	13:23
XATRIX	without batt unplug ?	13:23
XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: any idea ?	13:24
DocScrutinizer05	press powerbutton for 10s	13:24
DocScrutinizer05	if you're lucky, it shuts down hard	13:24
XATRIX	10 ?	13:25
DocScrutinizer05	or 15, whocares?	13:26
XATRIX	i do )	13:27
DocScrutinizer05	why?	13:28
XATRIX	i need reboot	13:28
DocScrutinizer05	are you in an extreme hurry or what?	13:28
XATRIX	i simply can't reset it\	13:29
XATRIX	don't wanna open backplate to reset	13:29
DocScrutinizer05	I could tell you "hold powerbutton pressed for one minute" but that would feel a bit tong in cheek	13:29
XATRIX	seems like the power button doesn't work in android O_O	13:29
XATRIX	it's not hardpower button	13:29
DocScrutinizer05	it is, kinda	13:30
*** croppa has quit IRC		13:30
DocScrutinizer05	alas you need to define what it does, by configuring the twl4030	13:31
DocScrutinizer05	one mode is "shutdown hard after 8s powerbutton engaged"	13:32
DocScrutinizer05	unless OS/kernel intercepted and reset the timer for those 8s	13:32
*** NeutrinoPower has joined #maemo		13:33
*** BigBoxD__ has quit IRC		13:33
DocScrutinizer05	so if the android dudes decided they always reset timer of powerbutton once every second, you won't see it shutdown ever via powerbutton	13:33
XATRIX	ok i've found how to reboot it	13:34
*** davinci_ has joined #maemo		13:34
*** otep_ has joined #maemo		13:35
XATRIX	Sounds good, but i'd like to reflash it to standard maemo, + possiblity to load android	13:35
XATRIX	got to go. will be here in a few hours	13:35
DocScrutinizer05	err what was it?	13:36
DocScrutinizer05	~nitdroid	13:36
DocScrutinizer05	~ping	13:36
kerio	why is nitdroid-installer anywhere near rmo, btw?	13:36
*** otep has quit IRC		13:37
*** florian has joined #maemo		13:38
*** infobot has joined #maemo		13:39
infobot	DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!	13:39
*** ChanServ sets mode: +v infobot		13:39
sixwheeledbeast	~moo	13:39
* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass		13:39
sixwheeledbeast	that's better :)	13:39
*** davinci_ has quit IRC		13:40
DocScrutinizer05	~nitdroid	13:41
infobot	methinks nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.	13:41
DocScrutinizer05	~maemo-multiboot	13:41
infobot	it has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED	13:41
DocScrutinizer05	didn't think we'd need this anymore nowadays	13:43
DocScrutinizer05	but every once in a while, somebody thinks N900 and android was sth worth giving a try	13:44
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo		13:44
DocScrutinizer05	I completely fail on getting their rationale regarding that	13:44
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: its the spirit of adventure ;) To explore the N900's various possibilities	13:45
DocScrutinizer05	I have a few suggestions for very innovative and interesting possibilities in N900, involving a hammer and a 9 inch nail	13:46
DocScrutinizer05	result is at least as useful as nitdroid	13:46
thedead1440	haha	13:47
*** BigBox___ has joined #maemo		13:47
DocScrutinizer05	just if you wonder: teh above URL is actually 404 Not Found	13:48
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: its http://forum.nitdroid.com/	13:49
DocScrutinizer05	burp	13:49
*** Martix has joined #maemo		13:50
*** jpinx has quit IRC		13:52
*** jpinx has joined #maemo		13:53
DocScrutinizer05	android has qualities to become for me on embedded what windows is for me on PCs: a "never touch it" item	13:53
*** Martix has quit IRC		13:55
DocScrutinizer05	it's a pitiful waste of time and manpower of developers to port android to devices that were neither meant for it nor do support it particularly good	13:55
DocScrutinizer05	particularly if such device already has a decent OS	13:59
*** nick_exile has quit IRC		14:00
thedead1440	you want to jump at lazy writing? read: http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/24/4020574/phoenix-the-nokia-nexus-n9	14:00
*** BigBox___ has quit IRC		14:00
SpeedEvil	being able to run android apps is interesting. but on a platform with oinlt 256m, ...	14:00
*** sirdancealo2 has joined #maemo		14:00
DocScrutinizer05	all the games and multimedia apps for android won't run on nitdroid anyway, so the only usecase I could figure is: let me just shut down maemo and boot to nitdroid to check that public transportation app	14:01
DocScrutinizer05	I don't think you'll have much fun with such approach, probably you'll miss your bus ;-P	14:02
thedead1440	lol	14:02
*** sirdancealo2 has quit IRC		14:02
Zaerc	at least your hand won't get cold while you wait for the next one ;)	14:02
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC		14:02
*** sirdancealo2 has joined #maemo		14:03
*** sirdancealo3 has joined #maemo		14:05
*** sirdancealo2 has quit IRC		14:05
*** sirdancealo3 has quit IRC		14:05
*** sirdancealot has joined #maemo		14:05
*** dvoid_ has joined #maemo		14:07
*** dvoid has quit IRC		14:08
*** BigBoxD__ has joined #maemo		14:08
*** arcean_ has joined #maemo		14:09
*** arcean has quit IRC		14:11
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo		14:14
kerio	thedead1440: the verge is just a more pretentious engadget	14:14
*** mvp_ has joined #maemo		14:14
thedead1440	kerio: indeed; both equally suck	14:15
Vrm1	kerio: I got the impression from the 2.6.28-10power51 has less error output when switching to a different driver bleending soft, they need a injection rate limits	14:16
kerio	Pali: was there a change in the wl12xx drivers?	14:16
*** Neutron110 has quit IRC		14:17
Pali	no, nothing	14:17
*** BigBoxD__ has quit IRC		14:18
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		14:29
*** Martix has joined #maemo		14:32
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo		14:32
*** sixwheeledbeast is now known as sixwheeled\|away		14:35
*** tzafrir has quit IRC		14:36
ShadowJK	hm, so, the erase block size might be 6M, 8M, 12M, 16M or 24M.. but they still partition with 4M alignment.. i wonder if there's some trickery involved	14:37
*** fuz_ has joined #maemo		14:38
*** FlameReaper has quit IRC		14:41
amospalla	is still the use of skeiron mirror needed?	14:42
*** Martix has quit IRC		14:43
DocScrutinizer05	depends for what	14:43
DocScrutinizer05	mirror no	14:43
amospalla	I mean, I've got no new packages on my n900 for 3 months	14:44
DocScrutinizer05	original repo "works", if you get hashsum errors, merlin.at mirror is supposed to be free of that	14:44
amospalla	I have original repos	14:44
amospalla	shouldn't the package manager show me upgrades/new packages ?	14:45
DocScrutinizer05	there are none	14:45
DocScrutinizer05	simple as that	14:45
amospalla	neither for cssu? I thought some upgrades were pushed	14:45
amospalla	but well, now I see why I had no movement on packages	14:46
amospalla	do hashsum errors make something not work?	14:46
DocScrutinizer05	for cssu merlin missed to make sure updates got migrated to new infra	14:46
amospalla	I mean, should I worry about it?	14:47
DocScrutinizer05	and he hasn't updated original rmo repo yet	14:47
DocScrutinizer05	no, probably you shouldn't worry too much	14:47
amospalla	DocScrutinizer05: oh thanks, that explains me it all, so I just should act as normally did	14:47
amospalla	:)	14:48
DocScrutinizer05	we're still about to fix stuff that got messed up during infra migration (and before)	14:48
DocScrutinizer05	eventually we'll catch up (I hope)	14:48
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: right? ;-)	14:49
DocScrutinizer05	amospalla: amyway you nevertheless are free to use skeiron mirror since it has the latest cssu updates since a few days now	14:59
DocScrutinizer05	I'd hope for merlin1991 syncing the original maemo rmo today, but it seems he's MIA	15:01
DocScrutinizer05	~seen merlin1991	15:01
amospalla	I've been without updating 3 months, I can wait a bit more ^^	15:01
infobot	merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #maemo-ssu, last said: 'damn I know not a single thing about mysql performance check, I'm sure there is some query to list the last few expensive querys to start the investigation'.	15:01
*** Aoyagi has joined #maemo		15:01
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC		15:04
*** straind` has joined #maemo		15:05
*** florian has quit IRC		15:05
*** _LauRoman has joined #maemo		15:05
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: wait, i thought that cssu-testing 7.2 was the one with the fix for turktrust	15:07
*** __LauRoman has joined #maemo		15:09
*** LauRoman has quit IRC		15:09
*** straind has quit IRC		15:09
kerio	amospalla: community-testing.merlin1991.at	15:10
*** _LauRoman has quit IRC		15:12
*** sardini has joined #maemo		15:14
sardini	hello	15:14
kerio	hi	15:15
amospalla	thanks kerio	15:16
kerio	note that you also need extras-testing or extras-devel enabled to install the latest cssu-testing	15:17
kerio	and the only 100% working extras-devel mirror is extras-devel.merlin1991.at	15:17
XATRIX	ok, i'm back	15:19
kerio	oh joy	15:20
XATRIX	So, reflashing my device... I have to start with eMMC then rootfs right ?	15:21
XATRIX	and if i wanna use u-boot i have to install it after i reflash device	15:22
XATRIX	Is it correct ?	15:22
*** _rd has joined #maemo		15:22
Zaerc	better check the wiki page to be sure	15:22
XATRIX	yea, sounds if	15:23
XATRIX	can anyone tell me http://fpaste.org/cYyO/	15:25
XATRIX	is the -x, --xloader=ARG Location of X-Loader image corresponds to bootload	15:26
XATRIX	can i tell it u-boot location ?	15:26
kerio	no, u-boot is loaded as a kernel, by NOLO	15:26
XATRIX	so, i should install it later on ?	15:27
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: it's synced to skeiron	15:28
XATRIX	Also, flasher-3.5 support --flash and --load options	15:29
XATRIX	Can i simply load the firmware into memory before the actual flashing	15:29
XATRIX	Or i missunderatnd the meaming	15:29
XATRIX	s/meaming/meaning	15:29
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: who told you to mess with --xloader=ARG parameter?	15:30
DocScrutinizer05	:-o	15:30
XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: i did :)	15:30
XATRIX	I thought it would be nice to install u-boot at the beginning :)	15:30
DocScrutinizer05	then I have an advice for you: stop thinking	15:31
DocScrutinizer05	rather read instructions	15:31
XATRIX	that's not the advice i would like to be told :)	15:31
DocScrutinizer05	you obviously have insufficient information for thinking to make any sense	15:32
DocScrutinizer05	so 1) learn 2) learn more ...n) start "thinking"	15:32
XATRIX	I'm trying to ;) didn't you noticed	15:32
DocScrutinizer05	k, then here are some facts about uboot:	15:33
XATRIX	which are ?	15:33
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo		15:33
DocScrutinizer05	it's getting loaded by NOLO bootloader, just like normal maemo kernel would be, form exactly same partition kernel lives in	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	in that sense uboot is a part of kernel rather than a part of bootloader	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	and actually usual uboot ships with attached stock maemo kernel	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	they both share one NAND partition	15:35
XATRIX	I'd like to make it as : 1) maemo stock 2) pk 3) android	15:35
XATRIX	Is it ok ?	15:35
DocScrutinizer05	so if you'd want to flash uboot with flasher, you'd need to flash kernel with the uboot image	15:35
DocScrutinizer05	but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed onboard	15:36
jade	hi	15:36
XATRIX	Hmm...	15:36
XATRIX	Wait a bit	15:36
XATRIX	As you told me i have to use --kernel arg to flash u-boot ?	15:37
XATRIX	If i decide to flash it first	15:37
DocScrutinizer05	and don't ask me about android please. I don't think it makes any sense and thus I never installed it and can't help. We just seen more than enough dispaired lusers here who couldn't get to boot their device after installing android	15:38
DocScrutinizer05	and no, I told you nobody ever does that	15:39
XATRIX	Also, what does mean Cold flash ? Can't find any info about.	15:39
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-03-03 14:36:31] <DocScrutinizer05> but actually uboot never gets flashed by flasher, it gets installed and flashed onboard	15:39
DocScrutinizer05	you don't need info about that	15:39
XATRIX	So, what is it ?	15:40
XATRIX	I wanna know	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	it's the last resort	15:40
XATRIX	When everything is screwed up ?	15:40
XATRIX	I could boot NITdroid from my handset as well	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	for guys like you who think using --xloader etc parameters for flasher was a brilliant idea	15:40
*** aloril has quit IRC		15:40
XATRIX	I just ask before... I'm trying to act samrt enough	15:41
XATRIX	*smart	15:41
DocScrutinizer05	that's why you don't need to know about coldflashing	15:42
XATRIX	:)	15:42
XATRIX	If i ask something, i want to know it... that's why i ask	15:43
XATRIX	I'm not one of these iOS guys	15:43
DocScrutinizer05	there's pretty comprehensive instruction about everything 8probably even friggin nitdroid and multiboot install). Please read and follow and understand those. then come back for more in detail questions. Don't invent your own ueber-leete method of doing stuff	15:44
Skry	XATRIX: simple advice: don't do anything you don't understart, rather follow the instructions. If you really, really need to deviate from the instructions somehow, read and learn until you understand what you're going to do. If reading and learning did not help, and you still don't understand what you're about to do, just do as the instructions tell you and get over it.	15:44
*** dos1 has joined #maemo		15:44
DocScrutinizer05	~maemo-multiboot	15:44
infobot	from memory, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED	15:44
DocScrutinizer05	~nitdroid	15:44
infobot	from memory, nitdroid is Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.	15:44
Skry	oh well, understand rather than understart :)	15:45
DocScrutinizer05	Skry: funny how our concurrent advices sounded similar	15:45
XATRIX	Yes, guys. I'm acting as you actually described... I already did one reflash a few months ago, and now i just diggin more into detail of	15:46
ShadowJK	XATRIX; it's funny how when you're trying to learn more, people tell you to learn more ;)	15:46
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: afaik nitdroid still doesn't work with uBoot	15:46
*** ced117 has joined #maemo		15:47
DocScrutinizer05	if it actually does meanwhile, then stay away from multiboot	15:47
DocScrutinizer05	we got 3 different boot things: uboot, bootmenu, and multiboot. they are all acting totally different and usually incompatible with each other	15:48
DocScrutinizer05	uBoot considered safe and sane, bootmenu actually might not be what you think it is (it gets started after loading the standard kernel and starting init)	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	and multiboot is mere BS	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	or rather, a nifty but nasty hack	15:49
*** BCMM has joined #maemo		15:51
*** _LauRoman has joined #maemo		15:52
*** tzafrir has joined #maemo		15:52
*** phlixi_ has joined #maemo		15:52
*** disco_stu_droid has joined #maemo		15:53
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: just to give you a bit of brainfood info: yes, flasher can actually load images to RAM and execute them there, rather than flashing them to storage	15:53
DocScrutinizer05	rescueOS is using this approach iirc	15:53
*** aloril has joined #maemo		15:54
*** StyXman_ has joined #maemo		15:54
*** StyXman_ has joined #maemo		15:54
DocScrutinizer05	coldflashing is loading NOLO (bootloader that does all flashing) to RAM and executes it to flash NOLO on NAND	15:54
*** e-yes_ has joined #maemo		15:55
*** ieatlint_ has joined #maemo		15:55
DocScrutinizer05	since otherwise you couldn't flash anything when NOLO is defect	15:55
*** arcean__ has joined #maemo		15:55
*** futpib_ has joined #maemo		15:55
*** gregoa_ has joined #maemo		15:56
DocScrutinizer05	but honestly I hardly ever heard of anybody ruining his NOLO and then needing to coldflash	15:56
*** kraft has quit IRC		15:56
DocScrutinizer05	(except maybe of nandtester guy, wonder what became of him ;-D )	15:56
*** kraft has joined #maemo		15:57
*** robink_ has joined #maemo		15:58
*** ToJa92 has quit IRC		16:00
*** ToJa92 has joined #maemo		16:01
XATRIX	http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=669.0 here's the manual	16:01
XATRIX	how to setup nitdorid with uboot	16:01
*** arcean_ has quit IRC		16:01
XATRIX	i did it. i saw how it looks like :)	16:01
*** __LauRoman has quit IRC		16:01
*** futpib has quit IRC		16:01
*** vblazquez has quit IRC		16:01
*** OkropNick has quit IRC		16:01
*** e-yes has quit IRC		16:01
*** dRbiG has quit IRC		16:01
*** StyXman has quit IRC		16:01
*** RP_ has quit IRC		16:01
*** disco_stu has quit IRC		16:01
*** ieatlint has quit IRC		16:01
*** Gadgetoid has quit IRC		16:01
*** phlixi has quit IRC		16:01
*** robink has quit IRC		16:01
*** gregoa has quit IRC		16:01
*** ieatlint_ is now known as ieatlint		16:01
XATRIX	now, i'm going to use the right way :)	16:01
*** disco_stu_droid is now known as disco_stu		16:02
XATRIX	so, coldflash is used in enemrgency situation	16:02
DocScrutinizer05	well, this is #maemo. For nitdroid please use that other channel	16:02
XATRIX	when the standard bootloader is screwed up	16:02
DocScrutinizer05	yes	16:02
*** dRbiG has joined #maemo		16:02
XATRIX	no, i wasn't asking for support for nitdroid, i was shareing my experience about the uboot	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	when your device come up with a NOKIA screen and ENUM on your PC's syslog you don't ever want to use coldflashing	16:03
XATRIX	But now, i'd like to find some info and experiment with running images from the RAM, without actuall writing it to the NAND	16:04
DocScrutinizer05	~rescueos	16:04
infobot	[rescue-os] http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/	16:04
XATRIX	Hm...sounds pretty interresting	16:04
*** Gadgetoid has joined #maemo		16:05
XATRIX	One more question, is there anything encrypted on the handset ? Should there be any crypto-drivers or not ?	16:06
*** techlife has quit IRC		16:06
XATRIX	I know linux firmware for the Intel IPW2200 wifi NIC was encrypted	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	basically no, nothing is encrypted on N900	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	maemo	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	by default	16:08
*** OkropNick has joined #maemo		16:08
XATRIX	Also is it possible to run anything else on this SoC ?	16:09
*** BCMM has quit IRC		16:09
XATRIX	I mean there could be a Gentoo Linux built for ARM aech	16:09
XATRIX	*arch	16:09
DocScrutinizer05	iirc KP comes with cryptfs drivers and some few users have set up their system to have encrypted /home or even rootfs	16:10
XATRIX	But it drastically decrease the performance of /home	16:10
XATRIX	Cause it's a flash disk+crytpo engine	16:10
*** techlife has joined #maemo		16:10
*** sq-one has joined #maemo		16:10
ShadowJK	there's one or two gentoo guys	16:11
*** RP_ has joined #maemo		16:11
Zaerc	might be nice to encrypt the SD card I reckon	16:11
Zaerc	as that is the most easily accessed	16:12
XATRIX	But what for ?	16:12
XATRIX	yea	16:12
Zaerc	nosy people	16:12
XATRIX	unless you work in CIA :)	16:13
Zaerc	no I don't work for the Cocaine Import Agency	16:14
XATRIX	Yea :)	16:16
XATRIX	Hm....rescueos has a drivers to charge the cell ?	16:17
XATRIX	I thought it should be hw ability	16:18
XATRIX	And shouldn't depend on software	16:18
kerio	you need some control over bq24150a to charge	16:18
XATRIX	in other words, i have to 'tell' it to actuall charge the cell right ?	16:19
*** Martix has joined #maemo		16:19
DocScrutinizer05	NIN101 included my simple charger concept	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: yes, you need to tell it to charge further than 3.6V	16:21
DocScrutinizer05	(or some other value I can't recall right now)	16:21
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: not mia, for once actually enjoying a weekend outside of irc ;)	16:22
XATRIX	So ,actually i can set the charge current by myself ? Or charging Vs ?	16:22
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: yes	16:22
DocScrutinizer05	within limits and limitations	16:22
XATRIX	I'll write a script for a fast_charge, and a standard one :)	16:22
DocScrutinizer05	lol, already exists	16:23
XATRIX	:)	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	~charge21	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	:-/	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	~listvalues charge21	16:23
XATRIX	~bq24150a	16:23
infobot	Factoid search of 'charge21' by value returned no results.	16:23
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		16:24
XATRIX	Seems like i actually have to write a script :)	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	you should not mess with that stuff unless you learned a lot more	16:25
XATRIX	Can i charge more than 500mA ?	16:25
XATRIX	Oh, now	16:25
DocScrutinizer05	s/unless/before/	16:25
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: you should not mess with that stuff before you learned a lot more	16:25
*** gregoa_ is now known as gregoa		16:25
XATRIX	USB provides exactly 500	16:25
DocScrutinizer05	fastcharger provides way more	16:25
DocScrutinizer05	and N900 can use up to iirc 1150mA from USB	16:26
XATRIX	But how ? AC charger also provides the 500mA ouput	16:26
DocScrutinizer05	no	16:26
XATRIX	Then you have to use 2USBs to get 1A	16:26
DocScrutinizer05	Nokia AC10 provides up to 2A iirc	16:26
XATRIX	Like an old 2.5 HDD USB	16:26
XATRIX	Hmm..	16:26
*** BigBoxDr_ has joined #maemo		16:27
XATRIX	~fastcharger	16:27
Zaerc	my charger says 1200mA on it	16:28
kerio	AC-10E, output DC 5.0V 1200mA	16:29
XATRIX	Oh, rescueos has charge21.bash as well	16:29
kerio	XATRIX: notice that that charge21.bash script charges from the wallcharger	16:30
kerio	so it could damage a usb port	16:30
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: I told you, didn't I?	16:30
XATRIX	Thanks for the warning! That's really in time!	16:30
XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05 nope :)	16:31
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-03-03 15:20:59] <DocScrutinizer05> NIN101 included my simple charger concept	16:31
kerio	to be fair, a usb port that gets damaged like that is fucking stupid	16:31
XATRIX	I thought you were talking about different device :)(	16:31
XATRIX	One more question. As it mentioned in rescueos readme, "flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" Do i actually have to put " quote-symbol after -b ?	16:32
DocScrutinizer05	yes	16:32
kerio	or before -b	16:33
Zaerc	it goes with the one at the end	16:33
XATRIX	http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt	16:33
XATRIX	it doesn't :)	16:33
XATRIX	maybe typo	16:33
DocScrutinizer05	no	16:33
DocScrutinizer05	what's your problem? -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"	16:34
XATRIX	Yea, i was worry about the article goes without the trailing "	16:34
XATRIX	Alright, i'm gonna use this one line	16:36
XATRIX	C:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -k 2.6.37 -n rescueOS-initrd-0.5.4.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"	16:36
ShadowJK	Default maemo can charge battery at up to 950mA. The hw is capable of 1250. The datasheet for the battery recommends max 924	16:36
XATRIX	Hope it works	16:36
Zaerc	ShadowJK: good to know thanks	16:37
DocScrutinizer51	thqt's Ibat though, not Iusb	16:38
Zaerc	yeah, I'd like to stay within the specs for batteries	16:39
Zaerc	they usually live longer that way	16:39
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		16:40
kerio	ShadowJK: so... maemo damages the battery by default?	16:40
ShadowJK	It's marginally biased towards charging faster ;)	16:41
*** BigBoxDr_ has quit IRC		16:41
DocScrutinizer51	every charging damages battery	16:41
Zaerc	good point	16:41
Zaerc	only some ways of charging more then others	16:42
*** RzR has quit IRC		16:42
XATRIX	Sounds if i could load it with rescueos	16:42
XATRIX	cool	16:42
*** ZrZ has joined #maemo		16:43
XATRIX	wow... NIC usb0 has an IP addr :))))))	16:43
XATRIX	network via USB :)	16:43
*** Aoyagi has quit IRC		16:44
*** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC		16:44
*** NeutrinoPower has joined #maemo		16:44
XATRIX	also quite good performance of a framebuffer	16:44
Zaerc	while we're on charging... can the battery be charged when using hostmode?	16:45
XATRIX	nope i think	16:45
*** luf has quit IRC		16:45
XATRIX	it's a actuve USB mode	16:45
*** chem\|st has joined #maemo		16:46
*** ced117 has quit IRC		16:46
*** chem\|st_ has quit IRC		16:46
*** pcfe has quit IRC		16:47
*** inz has quit IRC		16:47
*** arcean__ has quit IRC		16:47
*** inz has joined #maemo		16:47
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		16:48
*** pcfe has quit IRC		16:48
*** pcfe has joined #maemo		16:48
DocScrutinizer51	Zaerc: yes	16:48
*** ced117 has joined #maemo		16:48
DocScrutinizer51	find my tmo post about it	16:48
Zaerc	awesome	16:48
* Zaerc goes looking		16:49
DocScrutinizer51	basically you yust need to kill booston and start bme	16:49
Zaerc	and have a split cable, I reckon	16:49
kerio	Zaerc: or tap "host mode while charging" in the usbmode ui :)	16:49
kerio	after the connection is established	16:50
kerio	yeah, you need one of those Y-cables that are often given with 3g modems or portable hard drives	16:50
Zaerc	cool	16:50
Zaerc	well I was thinking about modding a powered usb-hub	16:50
DocScrutinizer51	kerio: haha, I completely forgot	16:51
kerio	about what?	16:51
DocScrutinizer51	about that addition in h-e-n	16:51
kerio	it's not in h-e-n, is it?	16:51
kerio	:o	16:51
DocScrutinizer51	I don't know, I instructed moh how to do it	16:53
*** mvp_ has quit IRC		16:55
DocScrutinizer51	I even designed booston (improved) to handle it	16:56
Zaerc	ummm... what's your forum name DocScrutinizer51?	16:58
Zaerc	that might narrow it down a bit	16:58
DocScrutinizer51	joeg_rw	16:58
Zaerc	ah, thanks	16:59
kerio	DocScrutinizer51: would... hm, i still can't remember who, but is it twl? identify the charger as a usb host, and thus limit the charging at 500mA?	17:02
*** Martix has quit IRC		17:05
*** jpinx has quit IRC		17:05
XATRIX	I wonder when i see NOKIA on a white screen , it's a bootloader or a kernel loaded ?	17:05
ShadowJK	nolo	17:05
kerio	yolo	17:06
XATRIX	nolo = nokia loader ?	17:06
kerio	XATRIX: yeah, it's the bootloader	17:06
kerio	ROMBL loads x-loader loads nolo loads kernel	17:06
XATRIX	OK, i'm gonna flash my eMMC and fiasco, anything extra you can advice me ? I mean any extra 'upgrades' interresting features you can advice me to do before?	17:07
XATRIX	for the learning purposes	17:08
*** jpinx has joined #maemo		17:11
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: no	17:12
kerio	no?	17:12
DocScrutinizer05	Zaerc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1169616	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: no, twl4030 will not negotiate charge current with PC	17:18
DocScrutinizer05	or fastcharger	17:18
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: just the detection	17:18
kerio	who does it?	17:18
DocScrutinizer05	detection is by PHY	17:18
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		17:18
DocScrutinizer05	1770?	17:19
XATRIX	Doc, what can you say? Do the standard kernel or powerkernel provide good enough power-saving abilities for ?	17:19
DocScrutinizer05	D+- short detection	17:19
XATRIX	or it's better to do something exctra ?	17:19
kerio	ah yes	17:19
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: please don't do extras. They are not needed and often do negative	17:20
XATRIX	alright, i was just asking a PRO about	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	probably in a short while somebody will chime in and suggest hw-smartreflex and/or undervolting	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	but nobody ever tested how much this really saves you	17:22
*** BCMM has joined #maemo		17:22
DocScrutinizer05	and SR still is deprecated by Nokia due to a hw bug or sth that causes instability	17:22
DocScrutinizer05	and undervoltimg is mere BS in my book	17:23
XATRIX	Ok, i have a brand new clean installation of maemo, any ideas how to update it ?	17:23
*** Martix has joined #maemo		17:23
eccerr0r	undervolting is bs for the n900 or in general?	17:23
DocScrutinizer05	install CSSU	17:23
XATRIX	just from the beginning ?	17:23
BCMM	DocScrutinizer05: don't you have to get to 1.3 first?	17:24
XATRIX	Or it's better to search for a new versions with maemo package manager?	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	yes	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	bur I'd hope after flashing you are at 1.3	17:24
XATRIX	Yes	17:25
XATRIX	But there's a problem	17:25
XATRIX	Yes, i see it started from the scratch, but all of my contacts, messages are still in	17:25
DocScrutinizer05	then you didn't flash vanilla/eMMC	17:26
XATRIX	RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0 ?	17:26
XATRIX	Or RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin	17:26
DocScrutinizer05	look closer	17:26
XATRIX	alright, i'll reflash it again	17:27
DocScrutinizer05	~flash	17:28
infobot	it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	17:28
*** eijk has joined #maemo		17:28
XATRIX	yes, i\m currently on it	17:28
*** cityLights has quit IRC		17:29
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: hi	17:29
*** Martix has quit IRC		17:30
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: could you please just fix the hashsums. Don't check package integrity since IF it was a broken package we wouldn't bother if hashsum gets fixed, either	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	and please rsync rmo for latest cssu updates	17:31
XATRIX	Is there any updates for NOLO ?	17:31
DocScrutinizer05	no	17:31
DocScrutinizer05	(simplified answer)	17:31
XATRIX	http://fpaste.org/Ky5o/	17:32
XATRIX	This time i hope i flashed everything i need	17:32
XATRIX	Can i install uboot before CCSU ?	17:35
*** Martix has joined #maemo		17:37
ShadowJK	Are the hashsums broken, or the packages broken/tampered? :)	17:38
XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: ?	17:38
*** Martix has quit IRC		17:44
*** FIQ has quit IRC		17:44
XATRIX	adding a stable ccsu	17:49
*** otep has joined #maemo		17:56
*** Vlad_on_the_road has quit IRC		17:57
*** otep_ has quit IRC		17:57
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC		18:11
XATRIX	Can anyone tell me what model of a headset is on http://www.developer.nokia.com/pics/maemo_deviced_banner.jpg ?	18:16
*** Aoyagi has joined #maemo		18:18
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo		18:22
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: that's merlin1991's headache but I think for now it's irrelevant. Nevertheless I'd guess it's just the hashsums that are incorrect	18:22
ShadowJK	I'd compare the packages on his mirror and on rmo :)	18:24
*** florian has joined #maemo		18:24
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	18:25
DocScrutinizer05	the mirrors have obviously mirrored whatever been on rmo	18:25
DocScrutinizer05	and comparing packages isn't exactly trivial	18:26
ShadowJK	sha1sum *	18:26
ShadowJK	;)	18:27
eccerr0r	was it rootcaused why the checksums no longer mismatch?	18:27
eccerr0r	s/ no //	18:27
infobot	eccerr0r meant: was it rootcaused why the checksumslonger mismatch?	18:27
eccerr0r	ack	18:27
*** BCMM has quit IRC		18:27
eccerr0r	was it rootcaused why the checksums no longer match?	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: so we're comparing shasums to fimd out where shasums differ?	18:28
ShadowJK	to answer whether sums are wrong or the packages are wrong	18:28
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, I think we have some point wher one of us doesn't get the other one's thoughts	18:28
DocScrutinizer05	you just suggested to compare packages by comparing their sums to find out if those sums are correct	18:30
ShadowJK	Hashsums not matching contents. Either the sums are wrong, or the contents is corrupt or tampered.. or heck, the sums could be corrupted too :)	18:30
DocScrutinizer05	sounds weird to me	18:30
ShadowJK	But we've got one copy in arbitrary time where sums match packages, so it'd be interesting to see a comparison of all 4 tables	18:31
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, so how's comparing to a mirror helping in that? particularly when the mirror mirrored supposedly broken pkgs as well?	18:31
eccerr0r	were there backups of the repositories?	18:32
ShadowJK	for some reason one is broken and the other not, and if it's a mirror, you'd expect both to be broken or both to not be broken	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	to me it seems the only reasonable approach is to redo the shasums on rmo, then see which differed to former/old hashsum file, and if we feel like we can check those packages more closely, e.g. by rebuilding them and checking if the result differs significantly	18:33
*** techlife has quit IRC		18:33
ShadowJK	exactly what I said	18:34
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: they are both broken or not broken. All mirrors synced last time when we already had that hassum problem	18:34
DocScrutinizer05	comparing to any mirror doesn't help at all	18:34
*** techlife has joined #maemo		18:35
*** Viltzu_ is now known as Viltzu		18:35
ShadowJK	why is merlin's mirror working	18:35
eccerr0r	i heard he recomputed all the checksums	18:35
DocScrutinizer05	because he rebuilt the whole thing	18:35
DocScrutinizer05	on his light server	18:36
ShadowJK	ah	18:36
kerio	we're not sure if the .debs work though :)	18:36
kerio	there hasn't been a report of a non-working one, though	18:36
DocScrutinizer05	yes	18:36
eccerr0r	they do work...	18:36
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, you installed and tested all of them?	18:37
kerio	i would be perfectly fine with running lintian on the debs	18:37
*** FIQ has joined #maemo		18:37
eccerr0r	at least some of them work. it's not a systemic rebuild problem.	18:37
eccerr0r	but whether I've downloaded a corrupted file pre-rechecksum is the worry.	18:37
kerio	although the debs in extras-devel probably violate debian policy in all sorts of ways	18:37
DocScrutinizer05	we also have not all the rmo packages with hashsum error	18:38
eccerr0r	i was trying to download a file from rmo, checksum failed; added merlin's repo, checksum passed and installed	18:38
kerio	hahahaha freenode	18:39
DocScrutinizer05	whatever, merlin1991 should just run the rehashing job against rmo	18:40
*** sixwheeled\|away is now known as sixwheeledbeast		18:40
kerio	yeah, we can just rebuild everything once the autobuilder is back up	18:41
DocScrutinizer05	worst case result: correct hashsum of a broken package, so how would that be worse than what we got now	18:41
eccerr0r	people with zombie n900s?	18:41
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	18:41
DocScrutinizer05	users uttering dark riddles?	18:42
eccerr0r	downloading corrupted files due to bad copy is not a problem, downloading corrupted files because someone stuck a trojan in somehow...that's a problem. Chances are, the second didn't happen but it's a risk.	18:44
DocScrutinizer05	NB we had no updates since 3 months anyway, due to autobuilder down. So no matter if hashsum gets fixed, we won't see mass updates	18:44
*** XATRIX has quit IRC		18:45
DocScrutinizer05	eccerr0r: so you suggest we check our own server where only we can access anything for trojans that any of us smuggled in there? sounds prettty sane to me	18:45
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC		18:46
eccerr0r	people get their servers hacked all the time...	18:46
DocScrutinizer05	otherwise, how would we ensure that those packages are NO trojans?	18:46
eccerr0r	you can't	18:46
Zaerc	by digitally signing with your key?	18:46
DocScrutinizer05	eccerr0r: now you're starting to state silly commonplaces	18:47
DocScrutinizer05	Zaerc: BS, with the key that's on server that allegedly got hacked?	18:47
DocScrutinizer05	c'mon, get your feet on some ground	18:48
eccerr0r	that's why I wonder, has anyone rootcaused exactly why the checksum mismatch?	18:48
Zaerc	not neccesarily, if you keep the secret key somehere safe	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	IF pigs had wings	18:48
eccerr0r	signing server and production server should be different...	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	I think I told this before	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	SHOULD dafaq!	18:49
ShadowJK	Well kf production server is compromised, signing server will be signing bad packages anyways :P	18:49
DocScrutinizer05	exactly	18:49
DocScrutinizer05	BS	18:49
eccerr0r	production/storage server not build server	18:49
DocScrutinizer05	nonsense	18:49
DocScrutinizer05	we got a technical problem, no security problem	18:49
Zaerc	you know what?	18:50
ShadowJK	production server was like 3 steps away from storage, actually	18:50
Zaerc	if you can't discuss these things in a normal matter...	18:50
*** Zaerc has left #maemo		18:50
DocScrutinizer05	then what?	18:51
DocScrutinizer05	you stop discussing them with me? welcome!	18:51
ShadowJK	sigh.	18:51
*** ShadowJK has left #maemo		18:51
*** DocScrutinizer05 is now known as no		18:54
*** no is now known as DocScrutinizer05		18:54
DocScrutinizer05	eccerr0r: no, we haven't rootcaused it yet since we can't investigate as long as autobuilder doesn't work	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	we however have some pretty good ideas why they might have happened	18:55
eccerr0r	well, I meant, one day they matched, one day they didn't...	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	one day autobuilder built a new package version of some package	18:56
eccerr0r	was it the server move?	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	no, before even	18:56
eccerr0r	ahh... yeah that would be problematic if it autobuilt and didn't update checksum...	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	autobuilder problems are not really an unheard thing	18:57
DocScrutinizer05	and that's exactly what I suspect has happened	18:58
DocScrutinizer05	(autobuilder not updating hashsum)	18:58
*** DocScrutinizer05 is now known as DocScrutinizer06		18:59
eccerr0r	does the autobuilder keep logs somewhere?	18:59
*** DocScrutinizer06 is now known as DocScrutinizer05		18:59
DocScrutinizer05	unknown	19:00
eccerr0r	ouch...	19:00
DocScrutinizer05	particularly for "keep"	19:00
eccerr0r	that would be good to know, control, and keep...	19:01
DocScrutinizer05	right now it's not working and x-fade who's the only one savvy to fix it is MIA	19:01
DocScrutinizer05	we mailed and noticed Nemein about it several times now. 3weeks ago(?) I heard "x-fade is looking into it now" - he didn't	19:02
DocScrutinizer05	x-fade planned to move from autobuilder to COBS, then Nokia pulled the plug on it. Feels like a revenge on community for something Nokia did, when he's not taking care now	19:04
*** _rd has quit IRC		19:08
eccerr0r	I guess this still needs to be run like a business even though it's community handled.	19:09
eccerr0r	single point of failure is bad. :(	19:09
*** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC		19:10
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC		19:15
*** XATRIX has joined #maemo		19:19
XATRIX	Which classes of SD cards n900 supports ?	19:19
eccerr0r	I currently have a class 10 microsd-hc card in my n900... but I think this depends on the manufacturer too. I blindly bought it hoping it would work.	19:20
eccerr0r	i have a feeling my n900 may have broken a class 2 microsdhc card but it may also have just been bad luck that it had it installed when it stopped working.	19:21
*** nox- has joined #maemo		19:25
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		19:29
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo		19:39
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		19:43
*** florian has quit IRC		19:46
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		19:48
sixwheeledbeast	XATRIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Memory_Cards	19:51
*** Vrm1 has quit IRC		19:52
*** bef0rd has quit IRC		19:53
XATRIX	I also wanted to ask, does this headset works with n900 Stereo Headset WH-701 - by Nokia ?	19:54
XATRIX	I mean music Prev,Fow,Play/Pause	19:54
XATRIX	?	19:54
sixwheeledbeast	XATRIX: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Accessories#Headsets.2FHeadphones	19:56
*** ketas has quit IRC		19:56
XATRIX	Yes, i saw it ... That's why i ask	19:57
DocScrutinizer05	see my answer about multibutton aka media headsets not working, on tmo	19:59
*** kraft has quit IRC		20:00
*** kraft has joined #maemo		20:01
* RST38h moos		20:01
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047	20:03
*** mavhc has quit IRC		20:08
XATRIX	what can you say about this ? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/advanced-power/	20:10
*** _rd has joined #maemo		20:13
XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: also, is it ok to use testing branch of CSSU ?	20:15
XATRIX	Or it's highly experimental	20:15
DocScrutinizer05	testing branch of cssu is for cssu-testing. stable is for cssu-stable. see	20:16
DocScrutinizer05	~cssu	20:16
infobot	somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	20:16
DocScrutinizer05	iirc we currently have some rough edges in testing installation	20:16
*** mavhc has joined #maemo		20:16
DocScrutinizer05	so I'd recommend stable flavour	20:17
DocScrutinizer05	you can "upgrade" from cssu-stable to cssu-testing any time later on (when those issues don't persist anymore)	20:18
XATRIX	ok... i'll note it	20:18
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		20:27
*** PocketWulfe has quit IRC		20:33
XATRIX	strange thing i have	20:36
XATRIX	i added the CSSU repository (opened a link on Community_SSU website	20:36
XATRIX	stable	20:36
XATRIX	But it doesn't start Community SSU enabler	20:37
XATRIX	any idea how to fix ?	20:37
XATRIX	ok, i've fixed it... just need to wait a bit more	20:39
*** jpinx has quit IRC		20:40
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		20:42
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo		20:49
XATRIX	"This U-Boot version is now in Extras-Devel & Extras-Testing. Install package u-boot-flasher via apt-get or via Hildon Application Manager find "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1".	20:50
XATRIX	Is it ok ? Doc told me not to install software via apt-get	20:50
Snafu777	Y wouldn't u use apt?	20:51
XATRIX	No idea	20:52
XATRIX	So it's ok ?	20:52
XATRIX	Pali: are you there ? :)	20:52
Snafu777	I dunno, I just got in the combo	20:52
Snafu777	Convo	20:52
Snafu777	Apt-get is fine for whatever as long as the sources u are pulling from are good to go	20:52
Snafu777	I personall hate ham	20:52
Snafu777	Too damn slow	20:53
Snafu777	I always use apt	20:53
Snafu777	!ham	20:53
Snafu777	~ham	20:53
infobot	i guess ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow like molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does	20:54
Snafu777	~apt-get	20:54
infobot	[apt-get] the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto	20:54
Pali	XATRIX, I'm here	20:54
Snafu777	~snafu	20:56
infobot	[snafu] Situation Normal: All fux0red up. See also fux0red.	20:56
*** NIN101 has quit IRC		20:56
*** NIN102 has joined #maemo		20:57
XATRIX	Pali: is it ok to install uboot via "apt-get install u-boot-flasher" ?	20:57
Pali	yes, why not?	20:57
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		20:57
XATRIX	Alright	20:59
Snafu777	~homeless	20:59
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo		20:59
*** ZogG has joined #maemo		20:59
*** ZogG has quit IRC		20:59
*** ZogG has joined #maemo		20:59
*** florian has joined #maemo		21:00
*** valerius has quit IRC		21:00
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo		21:02
XATRIX	Any idea how can i make an image from the eMMC ?	21:04
XATRIX	I mean not to use backup	21:04
XATRIX	Simply to write image back to and get the state back	21:04
XATRIX	Pali: it can't find u-boot-tools, what's the repo for ?	21:06
XATRIX	E: Couldn't find package u-boot-tools	21:06
Pali	it is in extras-devel & extras-testing	21:07
Pali	http://maemo.org/packages/view/u-boot-tools/	21:07
XATRIX	~extras-testing	21:08
infobot	i heard extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-05-19.log.html#t2011-05-19T16:27:37	21:08
*** arcean has joined #maemo		21:16
XATRIX	Pali: http://fpaste.org/bVh3/	21:16
eccerr0r	you'll need to use another mirror with recomputed hash checks, if you need it right away... no idea when r.m.o will be fixed...	21:22
XATRIX	O_O	21:23
XATRIX	Any idea which mirror do i have to use ?	21:23
warfare	Does anyone have a clue how to connect syncevolution with icloud?	21:23
*** ced117 has quit IRC		21:26
Pali	~mirror	21:26
infobot	methinks mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/, or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error	21:26
*** sq-one has quit IRC		21:33
sixwheeledbeast	nick/ sixwheeled\|away	21:33
sixwheeledbeast	oops	21:34
*** sixwheeledbeast is now known as sixwheeled\|away		21:34
nox-	http://www.osnews.com/story/26824/Jolla_to_ignore_the_US_due_to_patent_mess/	21:38
Snafu777	Wow	21:40
Pali	:D:D	21:43
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		21:43
Snafu777	I'm just glad I keep md5 verified copies of all .debs for my n900	21:44
*** hardaker has quit IRC		21:48
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		21:56
*** Snafu777 has quit IRC		21:58
*** NeutrinoPower has joined #maemo		21:58
XATRIX	Pali: there's no u-boot-tools on merlin	22:05
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo		22:09
merlin1991	I disagree http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/pool/free/u/u-boot/u-boot-tools_2012.10-rc3-1_armel.deb	22:09
*** dhbiker has quit IRC		22:10
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		22:11
XATRIX	:(	22:11
XATRIX	Sorry bro	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	I never told not to use apt	22:17
XATRIX	You told me not to use apt-get update ?	22:19
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		22:23
*** shanttu has joined #maemo		22:24
*** githogori has quit IRC		22:25
*** netkat is now known as zz_netkat		22:26
Snafu777	~ngrep	22:26
infobot	network grep. URL: http://www.packetfactory.net/ngrep/	22:26
Snafu777	~infobot	22:27
infobot	well, infobot is me, http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ // The original infobot is no more, it has been replaced by the latest version of blootbot, accompanied by a rename back to infobot // apt/ibot/infobot/purl is now an infobot run by TimRiker	22:27
Snafu777	~dd	22:27
infobot	from memory, dd is `dd': Convert and copy a file `dd' copies a file (from standard input to standard output, by default) with a changeable I/O block size, while optionally performing conversions on it. 'info dd' for more info	22:27
XATRIX	~u-boot-flash	22:28
Snafu777	Hat had had :)	22:29
Snafu777	~ninja	22:29
infobot	ninja is, like, http://test.lowmotion.org/u_users/480/ninjalesson.jpg, or realultimatepower.net	22:29
*** Martix has joined #maemo		22:29
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: I told you to never use apt-get dist-upgrade	22:30
Snafu777	~pwnphone	22:30
XATRIX	ah..	22:30
Snafu777	BAh!	22:30
XATRIX	alright	22:30
DocScrutinizer05	~tell Snafu777 about query	22:31
Snafu777	:(	22:31
*** Snafu777 has quit IRC		22:32
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo		22:33
*** Snafu777 has joined #maemo		22:34
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: though actually you better use HAM, particularly for stuff that's kinda "tricky" - alas it's not exactly simple to estimate for a newcomer what's tricky and what's not	22:34
Snafu777	Doc, what could ham do that apt doesn't do?	22:35
DocScrutinizer05	a lot of experienced users never use HAM, but they also know how to use apt correctly and which particular care needs to be taken when installing packages that are special, like system updates or hw stuff etc	22:36
Snafu777	Touché	22:36
DocScrutinizer05	Snafu777: for example it shuts down whole system to something like single user mode	22:36
*** sixwheeled\|away is now known as sixwheeledbeast		22:36
DocScrutinizer05	for system updates	22:36
Snafu777	Tru	22:36
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC		22:37
XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: wait, does HAM has different way hadling the dependencies than apt ?	22:37
DocScrutinizer05	yes	22:37
DocScrutinizer05	actually it has	22:37
DocScrutinizer05	it has an additional layer on top of what apt does	22:37
Snafu777	Can u expound that "layer" doc?	22:38
XATRIX	crap :)	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	you can tell that from the groups you see in HAM	22:38
XATRIX	But it takes forever to search something with HAM :)	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	there are non-visible-in-HAM packages	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: it takes even longer to recover from some major system messup doen by unexperienced apt usage	22:39
XATRIX	I can't argue with this :)	22:39
DocScrutinizer05	e.g. apt-get dist-upgrade usually is a sure way to mess up your system to a degeree where reflashing is your best recovery startegy	22:40
* sixwheeledbeast has other N900 and is pleased with himself		22:40
Snafu777	So just don't do it?	22:40
Snafu777	Other?	22:40
sixwheeledbeast	*another	22:40
sixwheeledbeast	doh	22:40
Snafu777	Ah	22:41
Snafu777	I wish I has another	22:41
*** githogori has joined #maemo		22:41
Snafu777	My poor n900 is a stupid testbed these days	22:41
Snafu777	pwnphone v3... It's coming!	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	as a general rule you can safely install via apt-get install all commandline tools	22:43
DocScrutinizer05	except i2ctools ;-P	22:43
*** brolin_empey_ is now known as brolin_empey		22:44
Snafu777	Hmm? I installed that via dpkg-deb just fine	22:44
XATRIX	What if i use appdownloader... Seems like it's from CSSU ?	22:45
XATRIX	Is it safe... ? It support search	22:45
Snafu777	My best advice to you XATRIX, just experiment bro	22:46
Snafu777	The n900 is pretty unbrick able	22:46
XATRIX	Yes, but i don't want to screw things up again :)	22:46
Snafu777	So make a backup	22:46
Snafu777	Using backup menu	22:46
XATRIX	If i could take a snapshot and later reflash it again into, i will be free to experiment with	22:47
XATRIX	Backup menu sucks.. It does backup calendar,contacts,software... What about system libs and so on	22:47
nox-	btw backupmenu still has problems with kernel updates?	22:47
Snafu777	No idea	22:47
Snafu777	I don't update my kernel :)	22:48
nox-	nod	22:48
Snafu777	I stick with kp51	22:48
Snafu777	But, I use a commercial version of the n900 os	22:48
Snafu777	Pwnphone	22:48
XATRIX	Is PK under development or it's abandoned ?	22:48
*** futpib_ has quit IRC		22:50
Snafu777	So out of curiosity, who here uses their n900 for what?	22:50
Snafu777	I use it for penetrating	22:50
Snafu777	Pentesting rather	22:50
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo		22:50
joga	thanks for clarification	22:50
joga	;P	22:50
Snafu777	Stupid iOS autocorrect	22:51
Snafu777	But, what do y'all use it for??	22:51
joga	I use it as a mobile terminal and phone (but phone use is like maybe 1%)	22:51
XATRIX	As a mobile computer	22:51
XATRIX	IM, Mail, slighly web, ssh	22:51
joga	but have used it as robot controller and such too, for games and coding, whatever	22:52
sixwheeledbeast	~reflash	22:52
infobot	[reflash] zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models)	22:52
joga	mobile computer is a pretty good description I guess	22:52
sixwheeledbeast	mmm not the information i was looking for	22:52
nox-	~flashing	22:52
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	22:52
sixwheeledbeast	ta	22:53
Snafu777	Anyone here use their n900 to hack with?	22:53
Snafu777	I cannot be the only one	22:54
joga	well I was supposed to use it as a portable wireshark (easydebian+usb ethernet dongle+wireshark) but can't remember if it worked as well as intended, tried briefly but the screen space is pretty small for the interface	22:55
Snafu777	Yes it is tiny	22:56
Snafu777	I use mine as an intermediary	22:56
joga	but you could say I do hack with it since it serves so many purposes, a macgyvery phone	22:56
Snafu777	Grab packets and view later	22:57
Snafu777	Hacked WEP with it yet?	22:57
joga	I don't do pentesting though nor try to "hack" as in do nasty things to others :p	22:57
NIN102	invasion of the script kiddies :-*	22:57
Snafu777	Hacking is not bad	22:57
joga	I'm just not interested in doing that	22:57
Snafu777	Script kiddie eh	22:58
Snafu777	Hmm	22:58
Snafu777	Fighting words	22:58
NIN102	Snafu777: ethical is not, indeed.	22:59
Snafu777	U and me at the flagpole after school bud	22:59
joga	the sort of hacks I do with it are maybe more like graphing out metro movement with the accelerometer and such	22:59
Snafu777	I never said anything about unethical	22:59
Snafu777	I said pentesting	23:00
NIN102	ookay.	23:01
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: backupmenu does NOT suck, it does an update of ALL	23:02
XATRIX	hmm	23:02
r00t^home	where are sip account settings stored on the filesystem?	23:02
Snafu777	Somewhere beneath / :)	23:02
r00t^home	thanks, just what i needed to know!	23:02
r00t^home	so they are not stored in a unlinked file, good to know!	23:03
DocScrutinizer05	nox-: since BM updates all (except kernel itself) it will still restore wrong kernel modules when you restore a backup done before kernel update	23:03
nox-	:/	23:03
r00t^home	grep -r says ~/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg	23:03
r00t^home	ok, now where is the PASSWORD stored... :\	23:05
r00t^home	guess i'll have to do it the old fashined way and walk over to the person i want to talk to instead of calling	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	nox-: you're free to save away your current kernel's modules and restore them after resoring the wrong ones from your BM backup	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	or simply not restore all but only the needed stuff to recover	23:07
DocScrutinizer05	or roll back to the correct kernel matching your backup before restroing (probably the best method)	23:09
DocScrutinizer05	r00t^home: gconftool -R /\|less	23:11
XATRIX	BatterPatch :))))))))	23:12
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq!	23:12
DocScrutinizer05	~batterypatch	23:12
infobot	somebody said speedpatch was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]	23:12
XATRIX	BatteryPatch For Unstable Devices :))))))))))))))))))))))	23:12
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, indeed	23:13
DocScrutinizer05	works as advertised: instability guaranteed	23:13
XATRIX	You're slowing down technical progress ;))))	23:13
XATRIX	So, you say if i mess up my kernel or something like this backup will help me back ?	23:15
XATRIX	Or maybe some libs packageg	23:15
*** mvp_ has joined #maemo		23:15
XATRIX	merlin1991: I need your help here :) I found two packages: 1) U-boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 2) uboot-pr13	23:17
DocScrutinizer05	no, when you mess with kernel even backupmenu can't help you out (at least you'll need to reinstall correct kernel too)	23:17
DocScrutinizer05	if device doesn't boot then backupmenu can't work	23:17
DocScrutinizer05	it at least needs to start bootup	23:18
XATRIX	What's the difference ? And how do i actually act, to make my handset : 1) Boot stock maemo kernel 2) Boot latest (and updatable) Kernel power 3) something else	23:18
XATRIX	DocScrutinizer05: But if it's operational, bakcupmenu can revive EVERYTHING ?	23:18
DocScrutinizer05	yes	23:18
DocScrutinizer05	flashing a clean PR1.3 + backupmenu restore shall recover you to same state as of time of backup	23:19
DocScrutinizer05	except if you updated / changed kernel prior to backup	23:20
XATRIX	Wait, do you mean that backup i can access through the main menu ?	23:20
XATRIX	There's a 'safe' icon	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	in which case you have to redo that manually after flashing before BM restore	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	I mean backupmenu	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	~bm	23:20
infobot	i heard backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975	23:20
XATRIX	Oh, crap...that's definately something different	23:21
DocScrutinizer05	the other one is hildon backup	23:21
DocScrutinizer05	or simply maemo stock backup app	23:21
DocScrutinizer05	BM is the greatest thing since N900	23:21
DocScrutinizer05	It always take me wonder how Nokia could dare to ship N900 without BM as a stock functionality	23:22
DocScrutinizer05	hildon backup is kinda extremely over-engineered	23:23
XATRIX	Yep	23:23
XATRIX	Can i also integrate BM into the U-boot ?	23:24
DocScrutinizer05	optimized for the standard case, failig epically for everything that has slightest non-standard details	23:24
DocScrutinizer05	no, since uboot and BM are different things	23:24
XATRIX	:(	23:24
XATRIX	So, how the hell i should use each of ?	23:24
DocScrutinizer05	uboot is before linux kernel gets loaded, BM is after linux booted up to init	23:24
DocScrutinizer05	they are supposed to coexist	23:25
XATRIX	So i can install it both ? via HAM	23:25
DocScrutinizer05	you should be able to do that, yes	23:25
XATRIX	Will it brake down if i later install kernelpower it suppose to make changes in /boot	23:26
XATRIX	Maybe it won't work after	23:27
XATRIX	Also i received warning about using i2c-tools , it can damage my SoC	23:27
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: well, osso-backup works fine if you're a normal user who never opened a terminal and only installed things from ovi :P	23:28
kerio	so... about 0% of the n900 users	23:28
DocScrutinizer05	DocScrutinizer05KP will override uBoot. You need a special way to install KP as image to boot from uBoot as alternative kernel	23:29
DocScrutinizer05	I explained to you that uBoot lives in symbiosis with kernel in kernel's NAND partition	23:29
XATRIX	Yep	23:29
XATRIX	So , i have to make a file for /etc/boot	23:30
*** Snafu777 has quit IRC		23:30
DocScrutinizer05	flashing a new kernel will nuke not only the stock kernel but also uBoot	23:30
XATRIX	So , i have to make a file for /etc/bootmenu.d and place a boot record there ?	23:30
DocScrutinizer05	basically yes	23:30
XATRIX	whats the way ?	23:30
kerio	not really	23:30
kerio	install kernel-power-bootimg	23:31
kerio	it has the file in bootmenu.d already	23:31
DocScrutinizer05	please check tmo for that detail, it's like FAQ #2	23:31
kerio	and the latest u-boot-flasher brings in fiasco-do-update-ask, which lets you cancel a flash of kernels that aren't uboot	23:31
DocScrutinizer05	duh, will that work for 'normal' kernels?	23:32
DocScrutinizer05	no it won't since those kernels' preinstall doesn't call fiasco-do-update-ask	23:32
kerio	ah, but fiasco-do-update-ask is just a diversion of fiasco-do-update	23:32
kerio	which is used by everything that flashes a kernel	23:33
DocScrutinizer05	or if they do, then it doesn't probably ship with uBoot only	23:33
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it wraps around fiasco-do-update	23:33
kerio	(or maybe fiasco-image-update, but w/ever)	23:34
kerio	it checks the version string of the kernel to flash and of the flashed kernel	23:34
kerio	if they differ too much, it asks for confirmation	23:34
DocScrutinizer05	okaaaay	23:34
XATRIX	Doing a backup with BM	23:35
kerio	so you can keep kernel-power-flasher installed	23:35
kerio	and still have u-boot	23:35
*** shanttu has quit IRC		23:35
XATRIX	Then installing u-boot, KP-bootimg or in the reverse order ?	23:35
DocScrutinizer05	correct order	23:35
XATRIX	Ok	23:35
kerio	XATRIX: kernel-power/kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher, then u-boot-tools/u-boot-flasher, then kernel-power-bootimg	23:36
sixwheeledbeast	having trouble flashing mmc on new device.	23:36
sixwheeledbeast	Error setting alternate interface: Invalid argument	23:36
*** hardaker has joined #maemo		23:36
DocScrutinizer05	errr	23:36
sixwheeledbeast	am i doing somthing stupid	23:36
DocScrutinizer05	reflash rootfs aka COMBINED	23:36
sixwheeledbeast	combined flashs fine but not emmc	23:37
sixwheeledbeast	flashes*	23:37
DocScrutinizer05	blacklist cdc_phonet	23:37
XATRIX	That's harder than i thouhg :(	23:37
DocScrutinizer05	BLACKLIST, not just rmmod/modprobe -r	23:38
*** eijk has quit IRC		23:38
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: what you expected? You're jumping head first into the most advanced and sophisticated stuff maemo fremantle has to offer	23:39
XATRIX	Yea	23:39
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, what about creating initfs image with softupd binary used for flashing eMMC?	23:39
DocScrutinizer05	without making yourself familiar with the basics first	23:39
*** Scorcerer has quit IRC		23:39
XATRIX	I do...	23:39
Pali	so it will be possible to flash eMMC without working rootfs...	23:39
XATRIX	I'm learning in a practice	23:39
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, and I'm getting tired to give you lessens. Sorry it's geberally a good approach, but you're too fst and demanding for me today	23:40
*** Scorcerer has joined #maemo		23:40
*** _rd has quit IRC		23:41
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: I guess that's exactly how eMMC flashing aka Mk-II works	23:41
DocScrutinizer05	just that it uses rootfs instead of initfs from flasher	23:42
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, eMMC flashing is done by /usr/sbin/softupd	23:42
XATRIX	Yea, i know :( But if that's wouldn't be you guys, i would get into a serious troubles :(	23:42
Pali	so if I create initfs + kernel and load it via NOLO I can use flasher-3.5 to flash eMMC	23:42
*** eijk has joined #maemo		23:43
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: ack	23:43
XATRIX	kerio: I don't see kernel-power-modules/kernel-power-flasher inside the HAM	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder if friggin softupd is open	23:44
Pali	no closed	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	HARM?	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	gitorious?	23:44
XATRIX	:) AGM-88	23:44
Pali	on fremantle and harmattan closed	23:44
Pali	no source code on internet	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	dang	23:44
Pali	alredy tried to google	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	suckers	23:44
Pali	and also wrote nokia dev maintainer	23:44
Pali	he wrote me that it is closed	23:45
DocScrutinizer05	ORLY	23:45
DocScrutinizer05	thanks for info, nokia	23:45
XATRIX	kerio: only 1) Linux kernel (boot image) 2) Linux kernel for BFS user 3) Linux kernel for BFS user (boot image) 3) Linux kernel for power user 4) Linux kernel for power user (boot image for multiboot)	23:45
Pali	install 3) and 4)	23:46
DocScrutinizer05	what's about johnwil, wouldn't he maybe... I mean, how large can softupd be?	23:46
Pali	121508	23:46
Pali	-rwxr-xr-x root/root 121508 2010-03-18 18:49 ./usr/sbin/softupd	23:46
DocScrutinizer05	hmmm	23:46
Pali	deb package verion: 0.4.4+0m5	23:46
DocScrutinizer05	too heavy for jonwil?	23:46
XATRIX	But where's the kernel-power-flasher ?	23:46
kerio	Pali: is there an x86 version?	23:47
Pali	kerio, no	23:47
Pali	only on downloads.maemo....	23:47
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, I have already sniffed commands via USB	23:47
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: parts of uboot and PK are only available on pali's site	23:47
DocScrutinizer05	or in tmo	23:47
XATRIX	Em... which one?	23:48
XATRIX	I'm using merlin1991 repo	23:48
Pali	XATRIX, install 3) and 4) and uboot	23:48
DocScrutinizer05	e.g KP52	23:48
XATRIX	Pali: yep...i'm trying to	23:48
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, here is info which I RE: https://gitorious.org/0xffff/0xffff/blobs/master/doc/mkii	23:48
DocScrutinizer05	which of the both 3)? ;-P	23:48
Pali	needed for client side	23:49
XATRIX	But what does Doc meant?	23:49
XATRIX	Pali: what is your site for PK ?	23:49
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, of course kernel-power :-)	23:49
Pali	~kp	23:49
infobot	[kp] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665	23:49
Pali	read first post	23:49
Pali	read first two lines	23:50
XATRIX	crap :( i've already installed it	23:50
XATRIX	But without kernel-power-flasher	23:50
XATRIX	You told me late	23:50
DocScrutinizer05	then you installed an obsolete version	23:50
Pali	correct order is: kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher	23:50
XATRIX	Any possiblitly to uninstall ?	23:50
DocScrutinizer05	if you haven't installed flasher yet, you probably can revert	23:50
Pali	install new version	23:50
DocScrutinizer05	askpal	23:50
DocScrutinizer05	ask Pali	23:51
Pali	if -flasher is not installed nothing happened	23:51
DocScrutinizer05	what I thought	23:51
XATRIX	I added merlin1991 repo, installed 'Linux kernel for power user' and 'Linux kernel for power user(boot image for multiboot)	23:51
Pali	then you flashed version from extras	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	48	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	46?	23:52
XATRIX	how can i check ?	23:52
Pali	now you can update to last version from TMO	23:52
XATRIX	2.6.28.10	23:52
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, 50 or 51	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	wow	23:52
Pali	every kernel-power is 2.6.28.10	23:53
XATRIX	Yes, :(	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	really, maerlin's mirror has KP50?	23:53
XATRIX	i don't know how to extract the subversion	23:53
*** NIN102 has quit IRC		23:53
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, in extras is 50 or 51	23:53
DocScrutinizer05	duh!	23:53
XATRIX	~tmp	23:53
XATRIX	~tmo	23:53
infobot	tmo is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's not T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.	23:53
Pali	~kp	23:53
infobot	well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665	23:53
Pali	[22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines	23:54
XATRIX	ok	23:54
Pali	Doc, look: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/	23:54
Pali	Fremantle Extras free armelkernel-power 2.6.28-10power50	23:54
XATRIX	Pali: can i uninstall my current KP ?	23:54
DocScrutinizer05	WTF?! kp50 is almost a year old?	23:54
Pali	XATRIX, you cannot uninstall kernel	23:55
Pali	you can only flash another	23:55
XATRIX	Yes :(	23:55
DocScrutinizer05	XATRIX: actually never uninstall kernels	23:55
Pali	which you want?	23:55
XATRIX	latest one	23:55
Pali	nokia default kernel or kernel power?	23:55
XATRIX	KP	23:55
Pali	I really do not understand what you want now	23:55
Pali	~kp	23:55
infobot	kp is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665	23:55
Pali	[22:54:00] <Pali> [22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines	23:56
XATRIX	Seems like i installed KP not from the proper repo	23:56
XATRIX	it has no flasher	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-03-03 22:53:54] <infobot> well, kp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85665	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-03-03 22:54:02] <Pali> [22:50:04] <Pali> read first two lines	23:56
XATRIX	i'm on it...	23:56
Pali	correct order of installation is: kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg	23:57
XATRIX	ok	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	best you download those with wget	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	and use dpkg -i kernel-power kernel-power-modules kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg	23:58
Pali	no no no	23:58
*** tzafrir has quit IRC		23:58
DocScrutinizer05	nonono? ;-P	23:58
Pali	you need to call one dpkg -i for each package	23:58
DocScrutinizer05	rly?	23:58
Pali	you cannot install all kernel-power packages with one dpkg -i	23:58
DocScrutinizer05	I never do	23:58
Pali	yes	23:58
Pali	because of pre depends	23:58
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, i call it 4 or 5 times XP	23:59
DocScrutinizer05	until it throws no more errors ;)	23:59
Pali	:D	23:59

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!