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| sixwheeledbeast | grummund: :w !sudo tee myfile | 00:54 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | or use % for current filename | 00:57 |
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| grummund | "!sudo tee aaa" File is read only | 01:05 |
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| kerio | sixwheeledbeast: not necessarily vim :) | 01:07 |
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| grummund | sorry this is with busybux vi | 01:14 |
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| eccerr0r | you can open another window and chmdo it? | 01:14 |
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| eccerr0r | though my /tmp is mode 1777... | 01:15 |
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| grummund | no big deal i'll just re-edit the file | 01:17 |
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| eccerr0r | !sh should open another shell to chmod too? | 01:19 |
| * grummund now getting confused about what causes the xterm hover arrow to be shown/hidden. | 01:19 | |
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| Macer | hm | 01:30 |
| Macer | i have to figure out how to get a custom fw onto a nokia e7 | 01:30 |
| Macer | :) | 01:30 |
| Macer | finally showed up today | 01:30 |
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| unifly | sorry anyone know how i make kernel-power default boot for u-boot? | 01:41 |
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| Skry | by reading the first damn post on u-boot thread on TMO | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mail.maemo.org "down" again | 01:52 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, will it affect sending notifications about bug that I've created, do I'll need to somehow "bump" it, after mail starts working? | 01:56 |
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| Estel_ | I mean that enchancement cssu ticket | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unclear, sorry | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but your ticket should be stored just fine | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could mention the ticket number on maemo-ssu | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so other can look into it | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If i had to guess, I'd think b.m.o has its own sendmail | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually you could probably look it up in "open ports - outside" in that pdf | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm - 5 bugs 2 30 bugs.maemo.org 80, 443 80, 443 - so probably not | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, nevermind. *sending* isn't listed as port | 02:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | grummand: i can't think of a solution | 02:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | you can't even yank the lines to the clipboard in bb vi | 02:05 |
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| merlin1991 | Estel_: the mails for your bug went out (at least I got them) | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mail rebooted | 02:15 |
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| sardini | hello, you know where I can find Madde for linux x86 ? | 02:20 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, thanks | 02:24 |
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| Macer | you have GOT to be kiddin gme | 04:00 |
| Macer | i just realized this lumia 900 uses some tiny sim card | 04:00 |
| Macer | and the e7 requires a standard sized one | 04:01 |
| Macer | WTF | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | mini sims are pretty standard | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | just get out your chisel | 04:05 |
| Macer | well i have to go from mini to standard | 04:07 |
| Macer | heh | 04:07 |
| Macer | and from what i've read about adapters.. they wind up getting caught and rip pins out | 04:07 |
| Macer | so i'd probably be safer just going to att and getting a standard one and changing my plan for the e7 | 04:07 |
| Macer | omg this nokia update of this e7 is taking like forever to download the belle update | 04:08 |
| Macer | 1hour 15misn to download 300MB | 04:09 |
| Macer | fail nokia | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:09 |
| Macer | that's going to be a pain. so i pretty much can't swap phones | 04:10 |
| Macer | because i know they're going to be lame as shit and not let me have cloned sims | 04:10 |
| Macer | i'm sure the adapter would be fine in the n900 | 04:12 |
| Macer | since it has that gate type of deal for the sim | 04:12 |
| Macer | but the sliding slots would wind up ripping pins out | 04:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | sigh | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | slot-in is kinda PITA | 04:27 |
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| Macer | nice | 05:25 |
| Macer | putty in belle | 05:25 |
| Macer | ssh... check heh | 05:25 |
| Macer | hm | 05:26 |
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| Macer | wow | 05:28 |
| Macer | belle vkb is actually tolerable | 05:29 |
| Macer | good stuff | 05:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, one full 24h day spent with futile discussion behind the scenes (minus the 2h meeting yesterday which - as I already mentioned - been one of the nicer events of my day) | 09:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is pissed | 09:28 | |
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| kerio | moo | 10:11 |
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| Gear | hey, if application catalogues arre disabled in hildon app man, are they available in fapman? | 10:20 |
| kerio | Gear: fapman has its own catalogues | 10:22 |
| kerio | also, don't use it | 10:23 |
| Gear | why not | 10:23 |
| Gear | ? | 10:24 |
| Gear | er...? it does the 'faster' part really well, is my n900 going to explode from it or something? | 10:27 |
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| Gear | could you tell me why fapman shouldn't be used? also what's the deal with the repositories, i can't read the topic on here for somw reason | 10:30 |
| kerio | various things aren't installed properly by it | 10:31 |
| kerio | mostly the "weird" things | 10:31 |
| kerio | also, it keeps its own cache and lists | 10:31 |
| Gear | i mainly use it for the retarded little apps | 10:32 |
| kerio | (and the "weird" things are exactly the things that, when not properly installed, can fuck up your system) | 10:32 |
| kerio | just be careful, i suppose | 10:32 |
| Gear | so far the warnings for important system stuff have been fine, it's slightly common sense | 10:34 |
| Gear | if it's taking up a shitload of something i'll uninstall it, but what happens to all the things installed with fapman and not hildon app man? | 10:35 |
| kerio | they're all installed in dpkg | 10:35 |
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| Gear | can you tell me what fapman is doing that's terrible? | 10:39 |
| kerio | it botches various postinst scripts | 10:41 |
| kerio | if you only install normal programs it shouldn't give any problems | 10:43 |
| kerio | i guess that my main gripe with it is that it's neither as reliable as HAM, nor as quick, powerful, flexible and explicit as apt-get | 10:44 |
| Gear | it's only the sort of apps that don't matter that i use it for | 10:44 |
| Gear | i'm not quite a total linux nut, so i like the descriptions of the apps before getting them | 10:46 |
| Gear | also what's the fastest fully equipped browser? i tried to install firefox before but it wasn't in ham | 10:47 |
| kerio | microB | 10:47 |
| kerio | aka "Web" | 10:48 |
| Gear | how do i update flash? | 10:49 |
| Gear | and also how do i get adblock working for microb | 10:51 |
| Gear | it doesn't seem to work at all | 10:51 |
| kerio | Gear: on TMO, the flash thread | 10:58 |
| kerio | someone leaked the unreleased flash player 10 | 10:58 |
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| Raimu | how do i flash | 12:37 |
| kerio | ~flashing | 12:38 |
| infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:38 |
| Raimu | :) | 12:39 |
| Raimu | how do i shot flash | 12:39 |
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| thedead1440 | ~jrtools | 14:39 |
| infobot | [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 14:39 |
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| croissant | hello! i was trying to install webos on my n900 ... i put it on the documents file and it showed like a deb file then i opened it with appManager and then it shows there but the problem is: app packages missing- libsdl-gles1.2-1, preenv.. etc.. can u pls tell me whats going wrong? | 15:32 |
| croissant | please help me | 15:37 |
| thedead1440 | croissant: first would be to install those missing packages. Did you read the instructions to set-up preenv? | 15:38 |
| croissant | no, i didnt | 15:38 |
| croissant | from where i can read it? | 15:39 |
| thedead1440 | croissant: http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/FAQ | 15:40 |
| croissant | it says couldnt fint preevn package | 15:41 |
| croissant | find* | 15:41 |
| thedead1440 | you did a typo its preenv not preevn | 15:41 |
| croissant | same | 15:43 |
| croissant | it saays the same thing | 15:43 |
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| thedead1440 | you need to have the extras-devel repo enabled; is it enabled on your device? | 15:45 |
| croissant | i will check now.. it's on the app manager, right> | 15:45 |
| thedead1440 | under application catalogues yes | 15:46 |
| croissant | i only have nokia app, nokia system software updates, ovi, maemo which is diabled and extras mirror 3 | 15:47 |
| croissant | nothing more | 15:47 |
| thedead1440 | so add extras-devel mirror 3 too or use merlin's extras-devel mirror | 15:47 |
| thedead1440 | ~mirror | 15:47 |
| infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ | 15:47 |
| croissant | which one of those above? | 15:48 |
| thedead1440 | no don't use those | 15:48 |
| thedead1440 | use this: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ | 15:48 |
| thedead1440 | download and click the .install fine on your device and it'll be added to your device | 15:48 |
| croissant | to download it on my pc? | 15:49 |
| croissant | sorry, i cant understand you | 15:49 |
| thedead1440 | you download and click on pc and it'll be auto-added to your phone? so download it on your phone directly | 15:49 |
| thedead1440 | in short; type the following URL in the N900's browser: http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/extras-devel-light.install | 15:50 |
| croissant | ok | 15:51 |
| croissant | one moment | 15:51 |
| croissant | it's downloading now | 15:52 |
| croissant | what should i do then? | 15:52 |
| thedead1440 | once its done "apt-get update" as root in terminal and then follow the wiki as per normal | 15:52 |
| croissant | so in the term i write down root apt-get update? | 15:53 |
| thedead1440 | no you type root then press enter then type apt-get update then enter | 15:53 |
| croissant | ok | 15:54 |
| croissant | thanks a lot | 15:54 |
| croissant | for the help | 15:54 |
| * kerio is still thoroughly baffled by the very existance of rootsh | 15:54 | |
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| thedead1440 | np; maybe reading up slightly on basic debian terminal commands would do you good | 15:54 |
| croissant | i understand, but now it says that somethng is locked? | 15:57 |
| kerio | croissant: wait for HAM to finish | 15:57 |
| croissant | in the term? | 15:57 |
| kerio | no, i mean | 15:57 |
| kerio | Application Manager | 15:57 |
| kerio | it's still running | 15:57 |
| croissant | it stopped | 15:58 |
| croissant | i mean it finifhed | 15:58 |
| croissant | finished* | 15:58 |
| kerio | croissant: welcome to the wonderful world of the stock maemo fremantle, where Application Manager takes 10 minutes for an update and doesn't fully close when you close the window | 15:59 |
| kerio | wait a bit | 15:59 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | use top and wait for apt.worker to finish | 16:00 |
| croissant | so i will start again | 16:04 |
| croissant | because i closed it.. | 16:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | croissant: start what again? | 16:06 |
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| croissant | @kerion | 16:14 |
| croissant | @kerio | 16:14 |
| kerio | yes? | 16:14 |
| croissant | now it's updating but then what? i dont know what to do then? | 16:15 |
| kerio | i don't know, follow the instructions to install preenv | 16:15 |
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| croissant | ok, but it says that something can be locked | 16:16 |
| croissant | what does it mean | 16:16 |
| croissant | it says you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems | 16:17 |
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| croissant | after the update some errors shown up | 16:18 |
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| kerio | they're not errors, they're warnings | 16:18 |
| kerio | ignore them | 16:18 |
| croissant | how? | 16:18 |
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| kerio | ...by not doing anything about them | 16:19 |
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| croissant | so i close the term and follow the instructions for installin preenv? | 16:20 |
| croissant | and what is the pass for sudo gain root? | 16:24 |
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| croissant | just installed everything and now i dont know how tar-gnu | 16:31 |
| croissant | how to find tar-gnu* | 16:32 |
| croissant | @kerio can u pls tell me what to do abt finding tar-gnu? | 16:34 |
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| ShadowJK | "Photos" app refuses to show photos i can find with filemanager but not in tracker | 16:37 |
| * ShadowJK thinks it's time for tracker reset | 16:38 | |
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| Sicelo | heh.. guess it's a disease, lol. i have exact same issue | 17:42 |
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| Sicelo | anyway, most people seem to be having a great user experience with Opera on the N900. for me Opera 11 is terrible. My N900 almost grinds to a halt when I use it | 17:44 |
| kerio | i'm just too used to microb | 17:44 |
| kerio | but it's fairly good | 17:44 |
| kerio | hey ShadowJK | 17:44 |
| Sicelo | microb ftw | 17:44 |
| kerio | 1073741824 bytes (1,1 GB) copied, 54,7739 s, 19,6 MB/s | 17:44 |
| kerio | writing zeros on the emmc | 17:45 |
| kerio | well, "writing" | 17:45 |
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| ShadowJK | one step less to do :) | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | (possibly) | 18:12 |
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| ShadowJK | or you're writing through pc... | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | time (dd ; sync) | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | or something | 18:15 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: this is on-device | 18:41 |
| ShadowJK | cool | 18:41 |
| kerio | i know, right | 18:42 |
| kerio | it's obviously fake as hell | 18:42 |
| kerio | but hey, offloading and delaying writes is also pretty good | 18:42 |
| kerio | god bless you, ext4 | 18:42 |
| ShadowJK | Oh | 18:43 |
| ShadowJK | You might be creating a file with holes in it | 18:43 |
| ShadowJK | or in this case, one big hole | 18:43 |
| kerio | nah, you have to explicitly tell dd to make a sparse file | 18:43 |
| kerio | don't you? | 18:43 |
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| ShadowJK | maybe ext4 is being clever! | 18:44 |
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| ShadowJK | du -sh vs du -shx ? | 18:51 |
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| kerio | wait, x is "don't cross mountpoints" | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 18:52 |
| ShadowJK | wrong one :s | 18:52 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: proper sparse files don't "weigh" anything in the output of df, right? | 18:54 |
| kerio | it seems that this is a real file | 18:54 |
| ShadowJK | what dd are you using anyways | 18:55 |
| kerio | gnu | 18:55 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: do you reckon that orlov is already implicitly enabled in kernel-power's ext4? | 18:58 |
| kerio | it's quite an old kernel | 18:58 |
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| lantizia | Does anyone know how the N900 and Raspberry Pi differ? I'm wondering if the Flash plugin file from the N900 would work if copied over to a Pi or not. | 18:59 |
| * ShadowJK suspects the hash doesn't matter much | 18:59 | |
| lantizia | Since their both ARM | 18:59 |
| ShadowJK | lantizia; different Arm, rPi is a generation older | 18:59 |
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| lantizia | ShadowJK, ah :( nevermind | 18:59 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: for instance, there's no noauto_da_alloc | 19:01 |
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| kerio | guys, guys, guys | 19:06 |
| kerio | traceroute 216.81.59.173 | 19:06 |
| kerio | seriously | 19:06 |
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| * ShadowJK adjusts his ttl | 19:14 | |
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| ShadowJK | this is some obnoxious waste of IPv4 | 19:14 |
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| Estel_ | kerio, out of curiosity, when you repeated this mantra about fapman butching some postinst script, do you have any real-life example of such package? | 19:21 |
| Estel_ | I would be glad to test | 19:21 |
| Estel_ | as it would mean that apt-get also fails with that postinst | 19:21 |
| kerio | u-boot-flasher | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | (which would imply that postinst itself is fubar, and targetted only for HAM) | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | you mean actual one? | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | or some depreciated old version? | 19:22 |
| kerio | the one from extras-devel | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | will check that | 19:22 |
| kerio | at least, it was reported as such | 19:22 |
| Estel_ | by whom? | 19:22 |
| kerio | hm, some guy here? | 19:22 |
| * Estel_ is just curious, as someone who use fapman even for every cssu update since ancient times when there was only one version and it wasn't "official" - without any ill effects | 19:23 | |
| Estel_ | hm | 19:23 |
| Estel_ | so probability of it being FUD is quite high, do you realize that, when you repeat this "fails with some postinst" as it would be true fact? | 19:24 |
| Estel_ | not to mention stupid and plain dezinformative factoid you've made | 19:24 |
| * Estel_ is investigating postinst script of u-boot-flasher | 19:24 | |
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| Estel_ | nothing unusual about it | 19:30 |
| * Estel_ grabs spare N900 | 19:30 | |
| Estel_ | I'll prepare u-boot setup suited to test installation of this flasher package, will report back later. But I feel you 'outta be prepared to change your mantra, kerio ;) | 19:31 |
| Estel_ | unless you have other "known" examples of situation, where apt fails with properly written postinst scripts, and ham doesn't | 19:31 |
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| Estel_ | well, no problem with flasher installed via apt-get or fapman | 19:57 |
| Estel_ | so whoever reported this, fucked up smth as in "user-error" | 19:57 |
| Estel_ | kerio ^^ so I recommend to just keep into saying that ham is preffered method by cssu team for their updated, and fapman may be less bulletproof for some users | 19:58 |
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| Estel_ | instead of insisting that it's broken or solmething. After all, if we like it as application manager or not, someone spend own private time and devoted it for working on it | 19:59 |
| Estel_ | so criticism, yes - but FUD, big no! | 19:59 |
| * Estel_ waves | 19:59 | |
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| Macer | wow | 20:22 |
| Macer | e7 | 20:22 |
| Macer | is actually pretty nice | 20:23 |
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| kerio | Macer: >:c | 20:54 |
| Macer | heh | 20:55 |
| Macer | using..... putty now | 20:55 |
| Macer | i cant find a us custom fw tho | 20:55 |
| Macer | all of them use qwertz | 20:55 |
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| Macer | it kind of reminds me of maemo sans xterm | 21:04 |
| Macer | the ui at least | 21:04 |
| Macer | i mean cmon.. full phone encryption | 21:09 |
| Macer | how can you not like that? ;) | 21:09 |
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| qwazix | just reporting that downloads.maemo.org remotely cut my connection twice when downloading xorg-xserver-dbg on scratchbox | 21:59 |
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| kerio | qwazix: you mean repository. | 22:01 |
| kerio | ~pali | 22:01 |
| infobot | it has been said that pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 22:01 |
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| qwazix | kerio, yep | 22:02 |
| kerio | warfare: downloads are still cut off on repo | 22:03 |
| kerio | /* we will recalculate percentage capacity against design capacity reported by rx51_battery (if driver is available) */ | 22:15 |
| * kerio shakes his fist at pali | 22:15 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: how long till connection cut? | 22:38 |
| qwazix | cut off at 65% of xserver-dbg and then again at 95 | 22:45 |
| qwazix | so not standard, (download rate about 100kb/s) | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i meant time as in "seconds after connecting" | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm trying to find out if our timeouts are still too tight | 22:46 |
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| qwazix | I don't know I just did "apt-get install maemo-sdk-debug" and it cut off only in xserver-debug (biggest package?) | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but nm, seems my expertise isn't sufficient for that task anyway. You'll have to wait for warfare | 22:47 |
| qwazix | It's ok now I did it again and it continued from where it left off | 22:47 |
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| qwazix | I just reported it for you and warfare to know | 22:47 |
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| qwazix | Rough estimate 90-100 seconds (by using deb size/speed*0.65) | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok. warfare ^^^^^^ please check | 22:52 |
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| kerio | Estel_: so, i figured out where the "fix" for the capacity *should* actually be - hald-addon-bme | 23:38 |
| kerio | i can't quite figure out how it works though :s | 23:38 |
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| grummund | i'm confused about the hover arrow in xterm | 23:53 |
| grummund | like i have 4 xterms open but only 2 have the hover arrow | 23:54 |
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