| WizardNumberNext | other HDDs behave normaly and are faster with NFS, this one is unuable with NFS and very fast with SAMBA (but still slower, then slowest on NFS) | 00:01 |
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| WizardNumberNext | Pali ping | 00:02 |
| Pali | WizardNumberNext, pong | 00:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | Pali: could you enlighten me and give cmdline for 3.8rc3? | 00:03 |
| Pali | cmdline? | 00:03 |
| Pali | for what? | 00:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would like to see it, but cannot find cmdline for it in backlogs | 00:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | kernel - 3.8rc3 | 00:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is one of yours | 00:03 |
| Pali | and which cmdline? | 00:03 |
| Pali | for SD card? | 00:04 |
| Pali | for ubi? | 00:04 |
| teotwaki | M4rtinK: the problem with those massive multiproc systems is that you need to run something on it that can actually utilise it | 00:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | for rescue - from same place | 00:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | initrd from your server | 00:04 |
| FIQ | anyone which uses maemo's xchat that know if you can avoid the horrible white background under channels and nicks (assuming it doesn't fit the screen) without using the system font? | 00:04 |
| teotwaki | M4rtinK: as far as I can tell, most schedulers start choking when you have more than 20 concurrent threads. | 00:04 |
| Pali | same as for rescue os | 00:04 |
| Pali | ~rescueos | 00:04 |
| infobot | i heard rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 00:04 |
| gry | I use Maemo's Quassel. | 00:04 |
| kerio | teotwaki: fold *all* the homes _ò/ | 00:04 |
| FIQ | like.. making it black instea | 00:04 |
| FIQ | d | 00:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | ty | 00:04 |
| gry | It's not scriptable, but a good client. | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | teotwaki: yeah, it was quite a challenge | 00:04 |
| Pali | ^^ rootdelay root=/dev/ram0 | 00:05 |
| teotwaki | The other issue is uptime | 00:05 |
| teotwaki | 23:37:53 up 500 days, 9:16, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.10, 1.07 | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | as the Monav preprocessor runs only part of the computation in threads, the single-threaded overhead would make it slower | 00:06 |
| teotwaki | :) | 00:06 |
| Aoyagi | Pali | 00:06 |
| Aoyagi | Have you seen any N900s for sale around here? | 00:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | Pali are all needed modules for maemo in initrd? | 00:06 |
| teotwaki | Pali: I just wanted to highlight your nick, as everyone else is doing it | 00:06 |
| kerio | Pali: hi! | 00:06 |
| Aoyagi | haha | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | solution: cascading download->compute->compress->publish built with Python multiprocessing :) | 00:06 |
| teotwaki | M4rtinK: have you had a look at 0mq? | 00:07 |
| Pali | WizardNumberNext, in which initrd? | 00:07 |
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| kerio | M4rtinK: logic would dictate that you first get something to do with 48 cpus, and then you get the machine to run it | 00:07 |
| Pali | Aoyagi, where? | 00:07 |
| teotwaki | kerio: that's not how universities work. | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | for anyone interested: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana-data-repository :) | 00:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | Pali: this one: https://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/linux-n900/rescueOS-initrd-3.8-rc3.img | 00:08 |
| Pali | that is old | 00:08 |
| Pali | modules in that initrd are old | 00:08 |
| Aoyagi | Pali: In the reeking town you happen to study in, according to that site. | 00:08 |
| Pali | WizardNumberNext, compile kernel yourself | 00:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | so where are new ones and matching kernel? | 00:08 |
| Pali | and put them into initrd | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | kerio: I asked the lab guys if they have some hardware I can use to host a Monav data repository for modRana | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | and they were so kind to give me access to one of the compute servers | 00:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would do that, when I would compile my cross-compiler | 00:09 |
| Pali | Aoyagi, I do not know about any shop in SK/CZ which has n900 | 00:09 |
| Aoyagi | Pali: Yeah, that's what I found out too. | 00:09 |
| teotwaki | M4rtinK: nice, and impressive. | 00:10 |
| Aoyagi | Except some used stuff, that has displays in poor condition. Or some other intolerable faults... | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | teotwaki: thanks ! :) btw, mq0 also looks interesting | 00:10 |
| Pali | Aoyagi, you can watch this site http://mobilni-telefony.heureka.cz/nokia-n900/ | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | probably a bit overkill for what I'm doing though :) | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | an improved Monav preprocessor would probably help more | 00:11 |
| teotwaki | M4rtinK: Most of our 100 servers or so are either quad or octo cores, half of that runs xens with on average 30 VMs each. The other half of the servers run native distribs with RT kernels and handle roughly between 4 and 12 always-on processes. | 00:11 |
| Aoyagi | Pali: I did, then I found out mp.cz has it, but it was some kind of "mistake" on their part. | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | teotwaki: impressive | 00:12 |
| Pali | M4rtinK, do you know if it is possible to buy new n900? | 00:12 |
| Pali | somewhere? | 00:12 |
| teotwaki | new ones? | 00:12 |
| Pali | yes new | 00:13 |
| Aoyagi | Not necessarily new one. :D | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | teotwaki: I'm not really sure how many machines we have, but the one I'm using is the 4th one | 00:13 |
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| teotwaki | M4rtinK: to be honest, I'm just repeating numbers. I build the solutions the runs on that hardware, I have no clue :P | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | our lab does Natural Language Processing (<advertisement>http://nlp.fi.muni.cz/en/nlpc</advertisement>), so probably many :) | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | Pali: I'll check | 00:14 |
| teotwaki | M4rtinK: that's pretty sweet | 00:15 |
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| M4rtinK | Pali: check this: http://www.zbozi.cz/vyrobek/nokia-n900-black/ | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | two even report "in stock" | 00:15 |
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| teotwaki | yeah, cuz that really looks like an N900 | 00:16 |
| Aoyagi | I bet those are Lumias | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | bah, can't even check my assumptions re repo becaues it limits my dl to err nothing, yay | 00:16 |
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| WizardNumberNext | Pali: I almost died... | 00:16 |
| Aoyagi | Ah, it's actually N9 | 00:16 |
| teotwaki | yes | 00:17 |
| teotwaki | N9-00 | 00:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | I tried it and after few minutes N900 simply died and didn't want to turn on. | 00:17 |
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| WizardNumberNext | strangly battery was reason | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | Pali: also http://www.mobilyodalese.cz/nokia-n900/d-69905/ | 00:17 |
| Pali | WizardNumberNext, that is old version without battery charging | 00:17 |
| Pali | in kernel | 00:18 |
| Pali | Aoyagi, see ^^^ | 00:18 |
| Aoyagi | "na dotaz" :/ | 00:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | I know that, but after rawly 3 hours of being on USB it should be (almost?) fully charged | 00:18 |
| Aoyagi | As far as I know, it means "ask and we'll tell you it will never be here" :D | 00:18 |
| Aoyagi | I'll just have to find a good looking used one. | 00:19 |
| teotwaki | rawly? | 00:19 |
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| Pali | Aoyagi, you can buy from amazon | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | Pali: http://mobily.aukro.cz/listing.php/adSearch?string=n900&category=107156&minResult=1&utm_source=seznam&utm_medium=sklik | 00:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | Aoyagi: I do not actually trust that, but some seller from HK on eBay have some "brand new" | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | Aoyagi: yeah, you never know in those small shops | 00:20 |
| warfare | merlin1991: We hopefully get more bandwidth tomorrow. | 00:20 |
| Aoyagi | Well, I guess asking in the UK couldn't hurt. | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | they might not be even operating anymore | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | other times they work just fine | 00:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | never have seen any new in UK | 00:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | especially in London | 00:21 |
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| merlin1991 | warfare: you could also verify that for me on the server, I'd need md5 hashes of all files withint dist/fremantle-1.3/free from extras and extras-devel | 00:21 |
| merlin1991 | the other way is to dl them and make hashes locally .) | 00:21 |
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| WizardNumberNext | ABSOLUTE RECORD: 3125mV and it is alife! | 00:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | never have seen it so low! | 00:22 |
| warfare | merlin1991: http://privatepaste.com/b65516c41a | 00:24 |
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| M4rtinK | so older packages seem to be unaffected by the hash mismatch error: | 00:28 |
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| M4rtinK | http://privatepaste.com/883d83e9a4 | 00:28 |
| M4rtinK | BTW: Fetched 5224B in 25min19s (3B/s) ??? :D | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | warfare: it's funky, a few lines in the Release file have the right checksums | 00:29 |
| merlin1991 | but most are wrong | 00:29 |
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| merlin1991 | hm wait | 00:31 |
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| kerio | WizardNumberNext: you can get as low as 2800, but shit starts malfunctioning at that point | 00:34 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I never got below 3200mV and suddenly 3125mV | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | warfare: the md5sums on the indexes seem to be right | 00:35 |
| merlin1991 | (at least on the relevant arm ones) | 00:36 |
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| merlin1991 | now I wonder why we get hashsum missmatches with apt | 00:36 |
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| merlin1991 | warfare: some reindex of the repo / import / whatever must have run, because the Release files fits with the package indexes, but it does not on my mirror, so somewhere between the 26th Dez and now it got fixed again | 00:41 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: do Packages and Packages.gz match? | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: I didn't download the files because they interupt | 00:45 |
| merlin1991 | I only said that the hashes on those now fit with the Release file (they didn't some time ago) | 00:45 |
| kerio | i see | 00:46 |
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| kerio | well, updating works, it's some packages that report a hash mismatch | 00:46 |
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| merlin1991 | well with my mirror even updating fails | 00:53 |
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| * WizardNumberNext should call himself SharkNumberNext | 01:12 | |
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| SharkNumberNext | what do you think about communi? is irggu better or worse? Why? | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: sorry, I'm completely lost on what you're suggesting resp planning to do about that hashsum stuff | 01:22 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: the hashsums on the index files seem to be okay, the only thing left is to check the actual Package indexes against the .debs in the pool directory | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-04 22:17:26] <WizardNumberNext> n900-dk: are you trying to use rmo? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-04 22:18:17] <n900-dk> yeah, it downloads but gives 'Hash Sum mismatch' | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-04 22:19:24] <M4rtinK> n900-dk: I'm also getting hash mismatch | 01:26 |
| M4rtinK | really seems to affect only recent packages | 01:27 |
| SharkNumberNext | I never got so far as mismatched sum - never actually been able to pull Packages.gz | 01:27 |
| SharkNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: you scared me using my N900 | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heh? | 01:28 |
| SharkNumberNext | I've put WizardNumberNext (vibra again) on N900 on communi | 01:28 |
| SharkNumberNext | I am growing 2nd set of pernament teeths, so I should be called SharkNumberNext, then | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope that's not meant to make sense to me | 01:29 |
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| SharkNumberNext | it doesn't make any sense to me either, but I just pulled one of my pernament teeth and there's another pernament replecement just behind it - looks like my jaw want to become jaw of shark | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: i'd be more interested in the hashsum-error_for_dummies 101, about which server has and which hasn't errors, and maybe then we can think about the why | 01:32 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I'm still working on the where bit | 01:32 |
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| merlin1991 | hence my remark about comparing Package indexes to .deb files | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah fine | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still doesn't tell me which of our 3 mirrors has errors now and which hasn't | 01:33 |
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| merlin1991 | okay 101 sttyle | 01:34 |
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| merlin1991 | r.m.o has clean distributions files, but I don't know if the hash sums for the .debs are right, my mirror even has foobar distribution files, and no idea about skeiron | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously rmo has errors as well | 01:35 |
| merlin1991 | also the distribution files on r.m.o are newer than on my mirror | 01:35 |
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| Skry | i think i got some errors from skeiron few days ago | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so nobody ever systematically checked which repo/mirror has which problems? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since 4 weeks? | 01:38 |
| merlin1991 | well since the base was corrupted all mirrors have some problems | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. by trying to install an old and a more recent package from all 4 possible sources | 01:39 |
| merlin1991 | r.m.o is the canonical sync point and it has to be fixed first | 01:39 |
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| teotwaki | actually, it should all be fixed | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: we got the mirrors for backup reasons, so when r.m.o breaks or has other problems, we can resort to a working mirror | 01:40 |
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| teotwaki | if your backups aren't backups, there's no point in using them | 01:41 |
| teotwaki | just shut down the whole infrastructure, figure it out, set it back up. | 01:41 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: if the canonical sync point goes bad before you notice your backup goes bad | 01:41 |
| merlin1991 | and all our backups are in a semi bad state | 01:41 |
| merlin1991 | so we have to fix r.m.o and then resync to a sane state | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | says who? | 01:41 |
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| chem|st | people doing backups | 01:42 |
| teotwaki | so people are backuping the backups of the backup | 01:42 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: says me | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-02-05 00:35:06] <merlin1991> r.m.o has clean distributions files, but I don't know if the hash sums for the .debs are right, my mirror even has foobar distribution files, and no idea about skeiron | 01:42 |
| teotwaki | Did you guys read Dr Seuss perchance? | 01:42 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: and what exactly does that say? | 01:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out | 01:42 | |
| merlin1991 | <merlin1991> also the distribution files on r.m.o are newer than on my mirror | 01:42 |
| teotwaki | The backupers backup the backup. But the backup backupers were also backed up by the backed up backup backupers. | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | r.m.o cchanged to the better since dez 29 which is the last valid sync on my server | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | but since apt-mirror only runs wget without any postup checks my mirror which has the state from 29th dez is full on corrupted | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | and since there is no versioning or anything I can't roll back to a sane point | 01:44 |
| merlin1991 | hence my fix r.m.o resync | 01:44 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: ^ | 01:45 |
| chem|st | because of missing incremental-rsync | 01:45 |
| merlin1991 | chem|st: well that would have been helpfull :) | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: how do I update a factoid? | 01:46 |
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| merlin1991 | gotta remove my server from the list because it is full on foobar | 01:47 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: ping | 01:47 |
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| SharkNumberNext | well, looks like we need something more, then simple apt-mirror | 02:00 |
| SharkNumberNext | maybe something like my backup script, but we would un-backup script for it as well, which doesn't exists yet | 02:01 |
| SharkNumberNext | actually using my backup script, you can still use apt-mirror, but in case of problems it tedious date-time removing from filename (in backup) | 02:03 |
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| merlin1991 | in any case r.m.o needs a sanity check | 02:05 |
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| merlin1991 | but at least the Release file seems to be in order (again) | 02:05 |
| SharkNumberNext | http://paste.debian.net/231819/ | 02:06 |
| SharkNumberNext | you can have a look on my simple backup script | 02:06 |
| SharkNumberNext | it is most reasonable version up to date | 02:07 |
| ketas | oww, i now just found out that this n900 has no metal holder in microsd socket | 02:07 |
| SharkNumberNext | ketas: not too nice | 02:08 |
| ketas | doesn't seem like anything is broken... | 02:09 |
| ketas | how to get one off anyway | 02:10 |
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| ketas | i wonder where to find replacement | 02:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | maybe eBay but, I didn't see any till something like 25GBP | 02:11 |
| ketas | well, unless you want to tape card there | 02:12 |
| ketas | sounds shitty solution | 02:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | very damn shitty | 02:12 |
| ketas | intermittent connection fun | 02:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | but actually not uch bad | 02:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | using some sponge-like substance and tape would solve problem | 02:14 |
| ketas | this sd holder must be sold in some catalogue i hope | 02:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | small chunk of foam below contact and wrap everything with tape - voila - should work | 02:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | maybe nokia have it | 02:15 |
| ketas | maybe nokia service has busted pcb? | 02:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | let me take a look on service manuals - maybe I would find it | 02:15 |
| ketas | bit old phone, though | 02:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | they have PCBs as well - I am quite sure about that | 02:15 |
| ketas | however i'm sure such holder is actually used in other pcb's somewhere | 02:16 |
| ketas | where one could try getting slider off | 02:17 |
| ketas | how does one get it off anyway | 02:17 |
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| WizardNumberNext | X5210 in Nokia | 02:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | at least looks like | 02:18 |
| WizardNumberNext | I got it of on SIM and SD accidentially, but it is easy to do it both ways | 02:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | putting it back isn't hard either | 02:19 |
| ketas | i wonder if previous owner still has it | 02:19 |
| Pali | merlin1991, please test clock-ui on your n900 (we need to test on thumb and non thumb versions too) | 02:19 |
| ketas | it was year ago... | 02:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, in rubbish omewhere | 02:19 |
| Pali | there is very very ugly hack for time cp dialog | 02:20 |
| ketas | and why he took it off and never put it back? | 02:20 |
| Pali | becase that cp plugin is closed and execute function needs some parent gtkwidget | 02:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | maybe it was accident and it got wings on its way to ground | 02:20 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: should I compile it, or do you have a specific binary in mind? | 02:21 |
| Pali | and because it is qt application we do not have gtk top level widget | 02:21 |
| Pali | merlin1991, better compile | 02:21 |
| Pali | we need to be sure that it is working fine | 02:21 |
| merlin1991 | k, will do that tomorrow then, gonna head to bed soon | 02:21 |
| Pali | I have binary from madde | 02:21 |
| * WizardNumberNext wonders why Nokia have mixed gtk and qt in OS with not so much RAM | 02:21 | |
| Pali | and this non thumb binary working fine on cssu-thumb | 02:22 |
| Pali | WizardNumberNext, nokia did not mixed it | 02:22 |
| Pali | nokia used only gtk for all applications | 02:22 |
| Pali | 3rd developers used qt | 02:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | so why other people did it? | 02:23 |
| Pali | do not ask me why | 02:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | while gtk is good enough | 02:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | it does the job for me | 02:23 |
| Pali | WizardNumberNext, I think that because 3rd devs developed also for symbian or harmattan | 02:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | actually not on PC - never liked anything GTK based there | 02:23 |
| Pali | and Qt is on all 3 platforms | 02:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | you might be right | 02:24 |
| ketas | but why is that qt applications are much harder to run than gtk | 02:24 |
| Pali | and you have button for "compile for XYZ" in QT creator | 02:24 |
| ketas | never tried to write anything in gtk or qt | 02:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | because QT eats more resources? | 02:24 |
| Pali | ketas, which app? that clock-ui? | 02:24 |
| ketas | nah, in general, and in pc i meant | 02:25 |
| Pali | because qt is c++, gtk is c | 02:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | GTK is believed to be ligher, but I am not in subject recently, so it could have changed in those several years spend on Debian+KDE | 02:26 |
| ketas | why do i feel that i don't fit into this world? | 02:26 |
| Pali | see specification of c++ and what is there and then see c | 02:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | Pali: which explains why QT is more resource-hungry as well | 02:26 |
| Pali | yes, right | 02:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | Pali: you can extend both, but starting is much harder on plain C, then plain C++ | 02:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | s/starting/starting to extend/ | 02:27 |
| infobot | WizardNumberNext meant: Pali: you can extend both, but starting to extend is much harder on plain C, then plain C++ | 02:27 |
| Pali | each qt class has table for virtual functions | 02:27 |
| Pali | you have no control for that | 02:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | at least it runs and looks modern-enough | 02:28 |
| ketas | "I saw C++ coming and read the book - or at least tried to read the book - there's a dent in the wall behind my piano, where the book hit the wall - Improvements to C should make things easier not more complicated, I thought." | 02:28 |
| Pali | in gtk (c) you need to write table yourself (if using inherits functions) | 02:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | GNOME/GTK in my times looked realy crappy | 02:29 |
| Pali | but more my apps/plugins in maemo did not use that | 02:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | Pali: I really don't know what is better: C or C++ - it might be matter of preference | 02:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | never wrote anything in C++ | 02:30 |
| ketas | ( from http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2013-January/071949.html ) | 02:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | always C, but to simple progs to be proud and priase myself | 02:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | never tried erlang | 02:31 |
| ketas | http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2011/12/more-shell-less-egg/ was also related funny reading | 02:31 |
| M4rtinK | WizardNumberNext: easy -> Python :) | 02:37 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, probably not for the GUI libraries themselves though :) | 02:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | Python should be my favourite as it similar to C and can be both ompiled and run like script | 02:38 |
| ketas | python is too weird for one with c-like background | 02:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | I can swollow anything what is reasonable and have some good base | 02:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | I think about learning ADA for fun | 02:38 |
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| M4rtinK | WizardNumberNext: well, IIRC it is not that easy to just compile it :) | 02:38 |
| Pali | better perl | 02:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | but this one is quite good lanuage | 02:38 |
| M4rtinK | like the whole program | 02:39 |
| * ketas pats Pali | 02:39 | |
| ketas | perl for phones | 02:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | nothing is just easy - you are capable of doing it or not, then you can learn it or never try | 02:39 |
| Pali | you have both gtk and qt bindings in perl | 02:39 |
| M4rtinK | but you you can use a limited syntax for performance critical stuff (was it Cython ?) and compile that | 02:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | trying to learn isn't enough - my friend is doing just that for last 3 years - no efects | 02:40 |
| M4rtinK | or just runn the Python code ass a fallback | 02:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | I asked him to write program, which would find 1Mi prime numbers - he never got back to me with it | 02:40 |
| M4rtinK | and writing C extensions should be also quite easy (that's basically what the Python stdlib is based on) | 02:41 |
| M4rtinK | bindings are an important aspect when choosing a programming language | 02:42 |
| M4rtinK | when you wan't to write a graphical application, you choices are actually quite limited... | 02:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | I never was interested in graphical apps | 02:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | what I do is simply make my life more efficient | 02:43 |
| M4rtinK | then your choice is much less restricted :) | 02:43 |
| M4rtinK | so do I | 02:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | instead of spending years on simple task, I spend 4 hours on complicated task and 40 minutes on even more complicated task and have results just in few minutes | 02:44 |
| M4rtinK | but some things just kinda require a GUI to use (navigation system, manga/comic book reader, rephotography app)... | 02:44 |
| M4rtinK | an ascii based ones would be also kinda cool though :) | 02:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | like it was with my first prime finding prog - 4h for writinig it, next hour for finding it is extremaly slow, 40m for optimalization and slightly over 10m for 1Mi prime numbers | 02:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is shame it is lost with my first HDD | 02:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | oh, it was on 40GB, so second | 02:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | maybe I would be able to recover it from it, but it might impossible after running proxy on same HDD | 02:47 |
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| * WizardNumberNext needs to move to Xen and 149GiB HDD on server | 02:49 | |
| M4rtinK | time to go :) | 02:52 |
| M4rtinK | bye :) | 02:52 |
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| WizardNumberNext | see yea M4rtinK | 02:57 |
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| mad_dev | i am getting a hash sum mismatch. what should i do? | 03:17 |
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| merlin1991 | rage | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | also | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | please report on which package you try to install and which repos you have enabled | 03:21 |
| mad_dev | report where? | 03:21 |
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| Estel_ | Aoyagi_joytop, you want to buy n900? | 04:02 |
| Estel_ | I have 3 for sale atm, with varying condition | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | tell me your budget and I'll tell you what you can buy for that | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | all have reinforced usb port, mind you | 04:03 |
| Estel_ | as for repos - so, tmo reports are not only working slow, but they're also giving files with wrong hash, due to some fckup? | 04:04 |
| Estel_ | which means that everyone downloading smth will start another download, as soon as he finished last one... | 04:04 |
| Estel_ | thus, load on rmo never ends, as everyone is downloading faulty files and redownloading them again, and again, and... | 04:04 |
| Estel_ | nice | 04:05 |
| damo22 | Estel_: the stable repo doesnt have the hash problem afaict | 04:05 |
| Estel_ | who uses stable repo? | 04:05 |
| damo22 | me | 04:05 |
| Estel_ | even completely non-power, not to say "dumb" users have devel enabled, most of the time - by dumb I mean ones that doesn't know a shit about maemo internals, never been on irc or tmo or... | 04:05 |
| Estel_ | well, you're minority ;) | 04:05 |
| Estel_ | the problem is that load from "dumb" users will never end, as their devices will try to redownload faulty files infinitely | 04:06 |
| damo22 | damn | 04:06 |
| damo22 | that sucks | 04:06 |
| damo22 | maybe the repo will get hammered | 04:06 |
| Estel_ | I'm quite surprised no one thought already, that those fckd files with wrong hash'es are having their share in repos being hammered to death | 04:07 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 04:07 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/02/05/gnome_standardises_on_javascript/ | 08:41 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Is there a list of original keyboard layouts for N900 somewhere? | 10:11 |
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| warfare | morning. | 10:18 |
| xes | hi! | 10:19 |
| gry | hi, xes | 10:19 |
| warfare | hi xes, gry :) | 10:24 |
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| kerio | Estel_: i thought it already | 10:42 |
| kerio | it's not a problem | 10:42 |
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| kerio | you can update fine from rmo | 10:43 |
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| kerio | is there any major problem with increasing /tmp's size? | 11:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | uplink upgraded threefold bandwidth | 11:41 |
| flux | so 75Mbit/s now? | 11:41 |
| kerio | :O | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | peak: 80.6Mb rates: 77.7Mb 79.3Mb 79.2Mb | 11:42 |
| kerio | are we filling it, then? :s | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still hitting the ceiling | 11:43 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: what is using it? | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: mirroring or legit users? | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're ruthlessly throttling mirroring ATM | 11:55 |
| kerio | still the ukraine and polish dudes? | 11:55 |
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| jacekowski | i've got complete mirror | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we count connections/GETs per IP, and throttle down the top ten of those who don't use maemo-APT | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | you can redirect all that don't use maemo-APT to my mirror | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | other clients should accept redirects | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | and everyone will be happy | 11:56 |
| kerio | yay redirects :D | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer05: how many unique users? | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so once a mirror hit a certain number of files it tried to wget, it will share 75kBps with the other top ten | 11:57 |
| kerio | jacekowski: why your server and not coralcdn? | 11:57 |
| jacekowski | well, that's an option | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | i've never used coral so i've got no idea how it works exactly | 11:58 |
| kerio | repository.maemo.org.nyud.net | 11:58 |
| kerio | and it caches stuff | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | is it clever enough to update stuff | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now mirroring is rather pointless anyway, since nothing should have changed since over a month (autobuilder down), and r.m.o got that nasty hashsum problem anyway, so mirrors rather stay with what they already have. Odds are that's not worse or even "better" than what's on r.m.o right now | 11:59 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: checks at most once per 5 minutes, and caches for 12 hours if you don't tell it to cache more | 11:59 |
| kerio | or less | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | btw. | 12:00 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: indeed the last viable rmo snapshot was iirc that of 26/12/12; everything after that will screw up with hashsums mismatch | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/webalizer/ | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | look at traffic spike in january | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: yo da man. Finally useful details regarding that annoyance | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | 700GB in january compared to 96 month earlier | 12:00 |
| kerio | jacekowski: ty :3 | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: what's date of skeiron backup? | 12:01 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: that's the date :) hence why skeiron in most cases gives no hashsum mismatches | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AHAAAA :-D | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and pretty please stop brkn fron running a sync! :-D | 12:02 |
| thedead1440 | hehe will do :D | 12:02 |
| Lava_Croft | Anyone here hate on Secure Boot and owns a Chromebook? | 12:03 |
| thedead1440 | skeiron won't hammer rmo anyway due to the hashsum problems; all he will sync with is (if any) nokia servers for anything that's up | 12:03 |
| jacekowski | there is nothing wrong with secure boot | 12:03 |
| jacekowski | other than the implementation itself | 12:03 |
| jacekowski | but idea is decent | 12:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | uplink load gone down to 50Mbps. We're catching up with backlog | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means we shouldn't finally see much slowness in r.m.o anymore (except for those poor souls who got throttled) | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | root@stage:~# netstat -nt | wc -l | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 576 | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great, we've been at ~4000 a few days ago | 12:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 seems pretty sane | 12:14 |
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| qwazix | >"except for those poor souls who got throttled" who got throttled? | 12:15 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: a worthy sacrifice to the bandwidth god | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: those with top-ten number of downloaded files which don't use maemo-APT aka HAM | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alias "mirrors" or "leechers" | 12:19 |
| qwazix | DocSrutinizer05, :nod: | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe a few innocent guys behind a national NAT who just wanted to do a single wget, which summed up to the NATs IP | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | summed up on* | 12:20 |
| tadzik | ..national NAT? There are such things? | 12:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly Poland and Czech have those | 12:20 |
| warfare | tadzik: Kabel Deutschland rolled out Carrier Grade NAT for some german customers. | 12:21 |
| tadzik | poor guys | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually we'll remove the throttling, or increase bandwidth we allow to them | 12:21 |
| warfare | I disabled the throtteling and we are still below 75mbit/s | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 12:22 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, any reports until now for such cases? | 12:22 |
| tadzik | I know of few Polish ISPs that install block-of-flats-wide NATs and call that a feature | 12:22 |
| kerio | so... we're done? | 12:22 |
| kerio | tadzik: an italian ISP does that too | 12:22 |
| qwazix | (real people that got throttled?) | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: I have no means to evaluate | 12:22 |
| kerio | qwazix: they'd chalk that up to general rmo slowness anyway | 12:23 |
| qwazix | I mean if anybody came here whining | 12:23 |
| qwazix | ah, ok | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody came here whining ;-) | 12:23 |
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| qwazix | hehe | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's been that one .ua IP that used 600kBps bandwidth for hours | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody doing full wget | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he for sure got throttled | 12:24 |
| jacekowski | is the hash stuff fixed? | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we're just starting on that | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blocker: autobuilder/x-fade | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | is that the OBS builder? | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | or the old stuff | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked thedead1440 to take care about the proper ticket to nemein | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | old stuff | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got no OBS | 12:26 |
| qwazix | OBS just went away? don't we have at least the VM's or sth? | 12:26 |
| qwazix | (not running, backed up somewhere) | 12:26 |
| M4rtinK | I'm pretty sure we (CZ) don't have any national-level NAT :) | 12:27 |
| M4rtinK | but lots of users (cable, mobile internet, DSL) do have shared IPs | 12:27 |
| M4rtinK | shared with other customers of the given ISP | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YEAH, that's an uplink the way I love it: constant fluctuations between 50 nad 70Mbps | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means it's actually the requests and their randomness that determins load | 12:28 |
| M4rtinK | qwazix: I remember logging into it so it probably kinda worked | 12:28 |
| qwazix | hmm, then where is it? Deleted? | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DAFAQ, that .ua guy again! | 12:29 |
| kerio | yep, i can pull at 1MB/s :D | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 188.117.59.205 => 91.22x.2x.10x 19.1Mb 20.7Mb 22.0Mb | 12:29 |
| warfare | DocScrutinizer05: Let him mirror, he'll be finished soon. | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: please re-enable thorttling of top-ten to 2Mbps | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, 2Mbps per client, that means 20Mbps for the netfilter queue | 12:30 |
| kerio | warfare: do you reckon we should still implement some kind of CDN? or we can go without? | 12:30 |
| kerio | *or can we go | 12:30 |
| warfare | kerio: I'd like to see how it works over time. I have absolutely no idea about the long term behaviour. | 12:31 |
| Muelli | hm.I can't install things from extras-devel. I get hash sum mismatch. I did apt-get update a few times, but I can't install i.e. tvbgone or htop. The repository seems to be available. Any ideas? | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: all calculations show we should be fine | 12:32 |
| kerio | Muelli: a problem with the repository, use extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the 40k | 12:32 |
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| kerio | it's better, anyway | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: merlin1991 claimed it's "totally fubar" OWTTE | 12:33 |
| Muelli | kerio: so repository.maemo.org is quirky? | 12:33 |
| qwazix | are there any reported problems using backupmenu & uboot at the same time? | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he even wanna take it down from recommended mirrors | 12:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: extras-devel-light is different | 12:33 |
| kerio | it does its own thing | 12:33 |
| Muelli | kerio: and who's the one then backdooring my phone with tampered packages? ;-) | 12:33 |
| kerio | the apt-mirror one is FUBAR | 12:33 |
| kerio | Muelli: the same dude who has write access to repository.maemo.org/community-testing | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Muelli: those mirrors are considered trustworthy | 12:34 |
| M4rtinK | bad news: cutetube-1.4.1 from Extras-Devel, built 2012-10-10, reports hash mismatch | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (except maybe wedrop.it which is under control of a rogue IRC chanop who has funny ideas sometimes ;-P) | 12:35 |
| Muelli | k | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just kidding | 12:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: those MUST be signed by the maemo.org extras key, anyway | 12:35 |
| Muelli | only extras-devel is affected, right? I seem to be able to install other stuff, anyway | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Muelli: yes, since extras hasn't changed since "years" | 12:35 |
| M4rtinK | I'll try to find if there are some Devel packages without mismatch | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: that's a fsckng PITA | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: which "mirror"? | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | r.m.o? | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, do we care? | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or are those supposed to be identical on all mirrors anyway | 12:37 |
| Muelli | I want to restore a backup, i.e. restore the applications from the backup. There is a button in the app manager. Any chance I can do that via CLI? | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | normal backup? | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or backupmenu backup? | 12:38 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: r.m.o | 12:38 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: all my reports concern r.m.o BTW | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Muelli: for normal Hildon backup/restore app, you probably should try to use the backup app's restore function, which in turn calls HAM, and see how far that gets you | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: "great" | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: I mean, thanks a lot! | 12:40 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: I'm glad I can help in some way! :) | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: how's rmo speed for you now? | 12:40 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: seems finally usable | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good :-D | 12:40 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: was abysmal till yesterday, now it is ok :) | 12:41 |
| kerio | by the way, the magic token code is visible on rmp | 12:43 |
| kerio | rmo | 12:43 |
| M4rtinK | I wonder how the mismatch could be fixed | 12:44 |
| M4rtinK | what is corrupted - the packages or the has list ? | 12:44 |
| M4rtinK | *hash list | 12:44 |
| kerio | M4rtinK: the list | 12:44 |
| kerio | the debs install fine, apparently | 12:45 |
| M4rtinK | good | 12:45 |
| Muelli | oh, I can't install from extras-testing :-\ hmm. | 12:46 |
| M4rtinK | hopefully just regenerating the checksums would be sufficient | 12:48 |
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| jpinx | today's question for the n900 - how to get skype to use the main camera - not the one facing me ? :) | 12:53 |
| M4rtinK | weird: openmediaplayer_20121220-1 installed fine | 12:53 |
| M4rtinK | so the corruption is probably not strictly time based | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: I gather autobulder screwed things up due to some bug. | 12:54 |
| qwazix | hash sum mismatch for me too while installing backupmenu | 12:54 |
| M4rtinK | I think it looks like as the has got corrupted after the package was long built | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my suspicion is about stale NFS mounts between the different *.m.o machines. So occasionally autobuilder running with no access to garage or vcs or drop or whatever, and then creating shit hashsums | 12:55 |
| M4rtinK | eq. Autobuilder building a new package, assigning it's hash to an old one | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are cron rsync jobs and whatnot | 12:56 |
| M4rtinK | as some of these packages are quite old and there were no reports about mismatches so far | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | figure a rsync aborted | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next autobuilder run may corrupt arbitrary random packages | 12:56 |
| qwazix | could it be related to the out-of-sync maemo downloads web page? | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: yes | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 12:57 |
| qwazix | That one is stuck even before migration | 12:57 |
| Muelli | so is there an extras-testing mirror? | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody with a clue how that dungeaon monster works has to look at it: Nemein / X-Fade | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Muelli: with same problems, yes | 12:58 |
| Muelli | ah, darn | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though not with identical problems | 12:58 |
| qwazix | Latest update of maemo.org/downloads 27/11/12 | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a package that fails on one mirror might work on another | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and vice versa | 12:58 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio, DocScrutinizer05 maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit | 13:43 |
| kerio | indeed :3 | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, can we have that "tagged" somewhere? | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 13:45 |
| infobot | i heard mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal mirrors | 13:45 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirrors" is "<reply>see mirror" | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal mirror | 13:46 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143" | 13:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | rmo works! \o/ | 13:46 |
| kerio | \o/ | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<< | 13:47 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirror | 13:47 |
| infobot | mirror is probably http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<< | 13:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: only top 10 are throttled? So, if there would be 15 or 20 of them, then they would be just changing places on the list. | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 13:48 |
| kerio | i thought warfare said he wasn't throttling anymore | 13:48 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I didn't get there before I wrote last post | 13:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | He said that | 13:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | anyway apt-get update went just flying | 13:55 |
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| WizardNumberNext | and files are cached on proxy, so unless there would some changes... | 13:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would be getting only HTTP headers, till file would change | 13:57 |
| kerio | meh, fuck installing the toolchain on the n900 | 14:03 |
| kerio | too complicated | 14:03 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I wrote battery monitoring script, which would show actuall state after $1 seconds every $2 seconds and do it $3 times. It would log state as well: DateTime; used uA; average uAh; current from BQ in uA; charge for BQ; voltage from BQ | 14:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | anybody likes to get paste? | 14:22 |
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| WizardNumberNext | 201305122159;3748;223200;201705;473382;3896 - line of log | 14:24 |
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| WizardNumberNext | voltage is in mV | 14:24 |
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| kerio | warfare: i seem to be getting 503s sometimes, on rmo | 15:52 |
| warfare | kerio: I'll have a look. | 15:53 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Is it difficult to find a spare keyboard buttons and then replace them? | 16:06 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | (I assume that changing the keyboard software layout is as easy as it gets) | 16:07 |
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| kerio | changing the software keyboard layout can be surprisingly hard, actually | 16:08 |
| kerio | if it's not one of the builtin layouts | 16:08 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Damn. | 16:09 |
| kerio | for instance, i still haven't found a way to use my modified english layout in qt programs | 16:09 |
| kerio | gtk programs, and everything that uses xkb, use it just fine | 16:09 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: what do you want to change? | 16:09 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | So if I buy a phone with QWERTZ hardware keyboard, I'll have to use that in some occasions? | 16:09 |
| kerio | no, no | 16:10 |
| kerio | changing the layout in Settings works fine | 16:10 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Oh, good. | 16:11 |
| kerio | ...i think | 16:11 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | I have terrible experiences with N97 ... | 16:11 |
| kerio | just checked, the default layouts work fine in QT too | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aoyagi_joytop: there's nothing in N900 hard-defining the keymat it's using. You can swap keymat any time, and adjust keyboard mapping in settings | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when it gets to custom kbd mappings though, stuff gets tricky | 16:14 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | Gah, I haz crash. | 16:15 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | What did I miss? | 16:15 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | ah, log | 16:15 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: unless you want to customize the mappings, you'll be fine | 16:15 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Oh, good. | 16:15 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how does osso-product-info know that my n900 is british, though? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from CAL | 16:16 |
| kerio | well, thankfully they decided to let the user decide the hw layout | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 16:16 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Well thanks, I thought that such open platform shouldn't have problems with this, just wanted to make sure :) | 16:16 |
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| kerio | i wonder how well external keyboards work with QT | 16:17 |
| kerio | probably not a lot | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go give it a try | 16:17 |
| kerio | i can't, right now | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | H-E-N is out there for you | 16:18 |
| kerio | i'm pooping | 16:18 |
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| kerio | and besides, i don't have a usb keyboard anywhere anymore | 16:18 |
| kerio | only a bluetooth one | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | info overload | 16:18 |
| warfare | kerio: 503's should be fixed. (hopefully) | 16:20 |
| kerio | yay, what was it? | 16:20 |
| kerio | not enough free connections in apache? | 16:20 |
| warfare | apache couldn't handle the backend connections. So varnish goes to nginx for .debs. | 16:20 |
| kerio | ...waaaaaait | 16:20 |
| warfare | :) | 16:20 |
| kerio | why do we have three web servers now? | 16:21 |
| kerio | can't varnish itself serve static files? | 16:21 |
| warfare | Yep. Apache on port 81, nginx on port 82. | 16:21 |
| warfare | kerio: nope. | 16:21 |
| warfare | still 503's. damn. | 16:22 |
| kerio | why do we need apache, again? | 16:23 |
| warfare | some php scripts. | 16:23 |
| kerio | which ones? | 16:24 |
| kerio | also, have you made sure that varnish loaded the new config? | 16:25 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | so | 16:25 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Would you choose http://imgur.com/luD0ZOZ or http://imgur.com/sccECJw ? :D | 16:25 |
| warfare | kerio: I did. Must have been some old connections, I don't see any 503s anymore. | 16:25 |
| warfare | kerio: rootfs, flasher, etc. the whole license checking stuff. | 16:26 |
| kerio | hold on, rmo doesn't host those | 16:26 |
| kerio | does it? | 16:26 |
| warfare | http://repository.maemo.org/flasher | 16:27 |
| kerio | but... that links to tablets-dev | 16:27 |
| kerio | Aoyagi_joytop: first one | 16:28 |
| kerio | obviously | 16:28 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Huh, I wasn't that sure. | 16:30 |
| kerio | the first one had a better photographer | 16:30 |
| kerio | also, english keyboard | 16:31 |
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| cehteh | the 2nd one is dirty but has a screen protector | 16:32 |
| cehteh | i wonder how it looks if its cleaned up | 16:32 |
| cehteh | but what keyboard is that? | 16:32 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Czech... | 16:32 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | That's why I asked if it's difficult to change it :D | 16:33 |
| cehteh | its doable if you are able to get a new keyboard map | 16:33 |
| cehteh | dunno if they are available somewhere still | 16:34 |
| Aoyagi_joytop | Hm. Might as well get both. | 16:37 |
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| kerio | haha | 16:44 |
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| Aoyagi_joytop | What did you mean by keyboard map? | 16:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~0.7*1320 | 16:51 |
| infobot | 924 | 16:51 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: it's probably not 1320 anymore anyway | 16:51 |
| kerio | batteries age | 16:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | strange, I've been told its 0.7C charge mx | 16:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | max | 16:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | man batteries are used fore max 1 month (hard to tell how old they are) | 16:52 |
| kerio | i thought chemical batteries didn't really have a concept of "charge" like that | 16:53 |
| WizardNumberNext | then like what? | 16:53 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I know they have specific efficiency of charge and discharge | 16:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | something like 80%/90% | 16:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | but if that is true, then... | 16:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | 0.8*833*0.9 | 16:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~0.8*833*0.9 | 16:55 |
| infobot | 599.76 | 16:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | which won't be real in any ways | 16:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~0.8*(833+30)*0.9 | 16:56 |
| infobot | 621.36 | 16:56 |
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| WizardNumberNext | this would be sligthly closer (considering 833+30 | 16:57 |
| kerio | to what? | 16:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | cause I leave it charging forever and it takes rawly hour or so after FULL which small charge around 60mA and falling | 16:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | to real capacity | 16:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | but I think BQ is lying to me, as I never got more then 900mA on it | 16:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | I mean 900mAh | 16:58 |
| kerio | have you done a proper calibration cycle? | 16:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | appart from original battery which got to 1250mAh | 16:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | got few of them (I think) | 16:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | 1. till charge current would disappear by itself 2. till it will die on me | 17:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | it dies below 3248mV | 17:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | and I got battery to 4171mV on minimal charging current (rawly 1-2mA) | 17:01 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I got rid of logs so cannot say how much it was, when charging was completely cut off | 17:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it was around 4068mV | 17:01 |
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| kerio | cut off by who? were you using bme at that point? | 17:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | no, I let BQ take charge of battery | 17:03 |
| kerio | the emergency charge? that won't let you fill the battery | 17:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | but not by any scripts or zaanything - just change from BME to BQ on status | 17:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | no, not emergency charge, normal charge under OS | 17:03 |
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| kerio | hold on, who is controlling b24150? | 17:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | no idea - honestly | 17:06 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it is chargin till zilch | 17:07 |
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| kerio | is bme running? | 17:07 |
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| WizardNumberNext | do I have choice - last time I asked how to stop it, we got to dead end, because of dsme | 17:07 |
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| kerio | no, the last time you asked how to stop it we told you how | 17:08 |
| kerio | you ignored us, and used a SIGSTOP | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: `stop bme` | 17:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | no, it wasn't like that - I got some answers, but in the end discussion started on dsme side of problem | 17:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | and I used SIGSTOP before I asked | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and after that, bq24150 will reset to emergency charge mode, after 32s | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq24150 can not charge battery to 4200mV on its own | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it needs at least some watchdog tickler | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my POC scriptie on tmo | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I linked you to it last time | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see ShadowJK's charge21.sh | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is an improved version of my POC micro-script | 17:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: POC as in Proof Of Concept, i hope | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take that as it pleases you most | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both applies ;-) | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's never been meant for productive use | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's both | 17:14 |
| kerio | piece of cake? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pile of crap | 17:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | yes, please | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and proof of concept | 17:14 |
| kerio | point of contact? | 17:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | piece of cake | 17:14 |
| kerio | policy oversight committee | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf poc | 17:15 |
| infobot | POC: point of contact | 17:15 |
| kerio | hahah what the hell, parents of ostomy children | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omfg | 17:15 |
| kerio | why is this listed | 17:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok, where charge.sh have value for current, I would like to change it to something like 500-600 and termination current as low as possible | 17:19 |
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| WizardNumberNext | what the hell NAC is? | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might appreciate my bq27k-detail script, on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's *very* verbose | 17:54 |
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| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: detail2? | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 18:04 |
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| luf | merlin1991: I'm ok with week 18-24th (it depends on day but it's too far to know now) | 18:11 |
| luf | freemangordon: I'm affraid it's time to patch bluetooth in kernel (based on debian or another distro kernel). | 18:12 |
| Estel_ | M4rtinK, package from 2010.10 got hash sum mismatch? | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | 0_o it's extremely bad news for rmo | 18:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: it is extremly verbose | 18:13 |
| Estel_ | I wonder if anyone will be able to fix it, or full backup restore from some mirror will be required (or re-building and re-submitting offending packages, like that from 10.2012) | 18:14 |
| Estel_ | M4rtinK, I mean 2012.10 of course, not 2010 | 18:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | OK I got VDQ long time ago, I think it would be safe to leave now | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo pending a reboot | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] tmo pending a reboot | 18:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | when? | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shortly | 18:23 |
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| WizardNumberNext | should I start bme w/ o w/o bq modules? | 18:23 |
| WizardNumberNext | looks like w/o them, cause I got restart right after starting be | 18:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | s/g be/g bme/ | 18:24 |
| WizardNumberNext | infoboot ping | 18:25 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~ping infoboot | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 18:27 |
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| * WizardNumberNext going to shop to hunt for great offers with BBD of today | 18:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RIP infobot | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | long live new infobot | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 18:31 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:31 |
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| kerio | Estel_: just... rehash the packages and rebuild Packages and Release? | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] tmo got reset to a backup done 5h ago. Nobody erased your most recent post just to run a prank on you | 18:50 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 18:50 |
| infobot | aw, gee, kerio | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: so you like to change | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +mirrors | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 19:12 |
| infobot | rumour has it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<< | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even? | 19:12 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "repository is back - see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588 || Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet" | 19:19 | |
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| kerio | learn to /cs topic | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pff, no way | 19:19 |
| kerio | it's easy! | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a) it's way more inconvenient than that nice editbox in Konversation, and b) I like the history to show *who* did the edit | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got all topic changes since 2012-11-08 in history here, incl who did it and what been done | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this will fail at least for the "who" part when chanserv does the edits on behalf of >anonymous> | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | don't think I wouldn't constantly re-evaluate and think about my standard procedures to do things - usually there's a pretty well thought rationale behind my decision to do things the way I do | 19:25 |
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| n900-dk | Can you see and even change the repository list in some configfile? Instead of using HAM.. | 19:54 |
| kerio | n900-dk: there's hildon-application-manager-config, but using it is more obscure than the graphical menu | 19:56 |
| kerio | HAM will use every repo in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 19:56 |
| kerio | so you can add your repos like you'd do in debian | 19:57 |
| kerio | he'll show them in the list, but with no way to edit them | 19:57 |
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| n900-dk | thx, so I can edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list with no issues? | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | strongly deprecated | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a tarpit | 20:00 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: yeah the mirror factoid should be updated | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM might overwrite your edits, or not accept them, or you make apt and HAM go out of sync regarding repos | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal #maemo mirror | 20:01 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 and >> <merlin1991> maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ is foobar, http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ and http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ are fine because they are not straight mirrors, but done with a different repo toolkit<<" | 20:02 |
| n900-dk | hmm, just prefer to use apt sometimes | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 20:02 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: please do your edits ^^^ | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | hm is the no, required or simply #chan factorid is value ? | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | without the no you can't overwrite the existing factoid | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 20:04 |
| infobot | i already had it that way, DocScrutinizer05 | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, i'm a poor example, having admin privs on infobot | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway please follow the sheme of first checking actual factoid content with ~literal <factoid> | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then update by "infobot: no, <factoid> is <new content, probably c&p and edited> | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't mess up with factoids that are not chan specific! | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | okay | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | ~litearal #maemo mirror | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal mirrors | 20:07 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirrors" is "<reply>see mirror" | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal mirror | 20:07 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143" | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check closely! | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | ~literal #maemo mirror | 20:08 |
| infobot | "#maemo mirror" is "http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143" | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | infobot: no, #maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ | 20:09 |
| infobot | merlin1991: okay | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 20:10 |
| infobot | mirror is probably http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pro tip: don't c&p the "ticked" version, it will fail on definition of a new factoid | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~"xxtest" is "we don't want ticks" | 20:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: I think you lost me on that one | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xxtest is "we don't want ticks" | 20:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xxtest | 20:12 |
| infobot | it has been said that xxtest is "we don't want ticks" | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget xxtest | 20:13 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot xxtest | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~xy is foo | 20:15 |
| infobot | ...but xy is already something else... | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal xy | 20:15 |
| infobot | "xy" is "The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X." | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice one | 20:16 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: HAM and apt's repos can't go out of sync, but HAM will outright ignore the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list and write its own thing there | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes, probably you're right. anyway it's not exactly intuitive to handle, and thus HAM catalog editor is the only recommended method to change your repo settings | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's annoyingly slow | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but anyway it works unattended, once you enabled or added a repo and clicked "OK" | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and it does implicit apt-get update which you'd need to do anyway, after changing repo list | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think changing or enabling a repo/catalog in HAM is *much* slower than editing whatever file and then running apt-get update | 20:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | just checking if I remember right, cause I do not want problems. To go from CSSU-stable to CSSU-testing, I click CSSU-testing enabler and update, then? | 20:32 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: are you kidding me? of course it is | 20:37 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: delete the cssu stable repo first | 20:37 |
| kerio | sorry, "catalogue" | 20:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | I got it. | 20:38 |
| kerio | then follow the instructions as specified on the wiki | 20:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would do that anyway, but knowing me it would after not priore | 20:38 |
| kerio | then install cssu-thumb, right DocScrutinizer? | 20:38 |
| kerio | :D | 20:39 |
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| WizardNumberNext | kerio: apart of thumb any other changes between kp-51 and kernel-thumb? Or is it wiser to ask Pali? | 20:40 |
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| WizardNumberNext | and most important! What about O/C.? I really like my N900 on 500-720MHz | 20:42 |
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| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05 ans Pali ^^ | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 20:46 |
| WizardNumberNext | differences between kp51 and kernel-thumb? | 20:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | not to mention "operation failed" in HAM, after clickng CSSU-testing button | 20:48 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: make sure you have no cssu catalogues, close ham, wait for it to close, click the cssu-testing button | 20:49 |
| kerio | overclocking is somewhat dumb, cssu-thumb is a better option if you want more performance | 20:49 |
| kerio | and you should use kp52 anyway | 20:49 |
| kerio | plenty of bugfixes and new features | 20:50 |
| kerio | like network bridges | 20:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | I do not have any CSSU catalogues enabled - do I have to remove it completely, then? | 20:50 |
| kerio | completely remove what? | 20:51 |
| kerio | let's focus on cssu-testing first :) | 20:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | bridge? what can I bridge? usb with nothing? | 20:51 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: install the new bluez, and you have a proper PAN setup | 20:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | unusable in my case as only device, which would be using it is server, as desktop have buggy USB, which handles everything till some point and then only mouse works | 20:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | give me sec anyway, cause I am soldering my headphones | 20:53 |
| kerio | freemangordon: will HAM let you do things that result in the uninstallation of the metapackage? i'm asking you because you probably tested that the most | 20:54 |
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| WizardNumberNext | kerio: obviously HAM takes its time to close, that was problem | 21:00 |
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| WizardNumberNext | kerio: kp52 link? | 21:08 |
| n900-dk | Is HAM log located in a textfile somewhere? | 21:12 |
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| WizardNumberNext | HAM wants me to use PC suite | 21:25 |
| WizardNumberNext | is it safe to update with red-pill mode? | 21:25 |
| BCMM | my n900 just rebooted completely spontaneously. i wasn't even using it. this hasn't happened before; does it indicate anything serious? | 21:25 |
| WizardNumberNext | or should I try reboot first | 21:25 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: hrmpf | 21:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | BCMM: I was getting such spontaneus reboots, while I was undervolting CPU | 21:26 |
| kerio | try rebooting first | 21:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am on it | 21:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | seams to be a lot more safe then red-pill | 21:27 |
| kerio | also, don't use mirrors | 21:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | no mirrors enables - actually I just removed them | 21:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | btw I got 4 repos for CSSU: stable, testing, thumb and devel and only testing was enabled | 21:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | the stable doesn't seam to be right here, but I see reason why it might be there as well | 21:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | so should it be there or not | 21:29 |
| kerio | ok, so the enabler did its job | 21:29 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: nah, it's ok | 21:29 |
| kerio | it should be there | 21:29 |
| kerio | and you can't delete it, anyway | 21:29 |
| kerio | well, try rebooting and then we'll see what's wrong | 21:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok, just checking. btw should it be disabled? Both options seam right and wrong at the same time, so I prefer to ask. | 21:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | just got it back after reboot | 21:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | mount eMMC | 21:31 |
| kerio | only the cssu-testing repo should be enabled of all the cssu repos | 21:31 |
| kerio | oh, i think i know what it is | 21:31 |
| kerio | merlin1991: fix this ffs | 21:31 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: you need extras-testing or extras-devel enabled to install cssu-testing at the moment | 21:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | I see | 21:31 |
| WizardNumberNext | no wonder I coulndn't do that | 21:32 |
| kerio | but of course, rmo is somewhat screwed up at the moment | 21:32 |
| WizardNumberNext | I disbled extras-devel | 21:32 |
| kerio | so enable extras-devel.merlin1991.at | 21:32 |
| kerio | and hope that HAM won't complain about its domain thing | 21:32 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I know that, but package-wise it should be ok - it seam that hash-sums are wrong, but packages aren't bad, but nobody can garratie any package is right with wrong hash-sum | 21:33 |
| kerio | who cares about what nobody can do | 21:33 |
| kerio | HAM will not like it | 21:34 |
| kerio | so use merlin1991's extras-devel | 21:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | I know, even apt would complain | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why T F do regular users get cssu-thumb and even cssu-devel catalog after installing cssu-t? | 21:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | ~mirrors | 21:34 |
| infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ | 21:34 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i said this before, but happy new year :P | 21:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: as a workaround for HAM's domain thing | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm temped to kick you | 21:35 |
| kerio | it was done somewhat coarsely | 21:36 |
| kerio | aka by adding every cssu repo | 21:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't you like me? :c | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, if you like to troll me some more, get your shit done by somebody else! >:-( | 21:36 |
| WizardNumberNext | do not ask me! I do not want it yet! If I would want it I would ask for it. One reason for it is: as I am not involved with any repo I cannot know, if everything would work with everything as it is supposed to do, so I rather avoid enabling to many repos | 21:36 |
| kerio | we're working on a way to split the catalogues in packages | 21:36 |
| kerio | my proposal is to keep keys and domains in community-ssu-enabler and only split the "system catalogues" in packages | 21:37 |
| kerio | and then install community-ssu-enabler as a dependency of community-ssu-$flavour | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take your proposal and eat it | 21:37 |
| kerio | it's not a proposal to you, it's a proposal to Pali | 21:37 |
| kerio | (and the cssu maintainers, obviously) | 21:38 |
| kerio | it's halfway between a bureaucratic decision and a technical decision, really | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't give a fuck about it | 21:39 |
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| kerio | you fscking asked | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got better things to do than fixing shit whole day and night for Mr trollollo | 21:40 |
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| WizardNumberNext | shit just realized I never had extras-testing! I need apt line (I shall translate it by myself) | 21:40 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: the state of extras* on rmo is inconsistent at the moment | 21:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | and apt line for mirror of extras-devel for merlin1991 mirror | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to get stupid trolling as an answer when asking why people mess up shit after me fixing it | 21:41 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: i said extras-testing *or* extras-devel | 21:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | so some more or less consistent mirror for e-t | 21:41 |
| kerio | oh for fuck's sake DocScrutinizer, i started answering *right after the joke* | 21:41 |
| WizardNumberNext | I can enable both and see which was used later on | 21:41 |
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| kerio | WizardNumberNext: extras-devel will be used if you enable both, but i think that the package is the same | 21:42 |
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| kerio | it's a problem with libcurl iirc | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next joke earns you top rank on my ignore list | 21:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would rather avoid extras-devel if it is possible | 21:42 |
| kerio | well, "problem" as in it depends on something that's not actually shipped in the cssu-testing repo | 21:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: do it, do it.... | 21:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | then I won't be first one! | 21:43 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: i'm not actually aware of any known-to-be-working extras-testing mirror | 21:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | why I didn't hear it earlier? | 21:43 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: really though, you could enable extras-devel (the good one) just for the update and immediately disable it afterwards | 21:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | whatever, I do expect any update in any CSSU in very near future. There's too much to fix anyway | 21:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok, I can do extras-devel (hear you year after ;) ) and push some buttons a little bit (pressplayontape.org) and see if it would work | 21:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | meanwhile: anybody can give me apt line for merlin mirror of extras-devel | 21:46 |
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| merlin1991 | yesus | 21:47 |
| kerio | deb http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free | 21:47 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 21:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWw1OpDrpI | 21:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | ty kerio | 21:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | added in HAM | 21:49 |
| WizardNumberNext | not so hard, if you already know what is going where and understand what is about (ty debian) | 21:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: any idea, if bme would be runnig, while transition would be in progress OR is it safest just to replace battery to have it off my head? | 21:51 |
| kerio | i can't parse that | 21:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | OK I assume second part of question as answer | 21:52 |
| kerio | you can just charge it | 21:52 |
| kerio | like, attach the wallcharger while updating | 21:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | just wondering, if it is safe to do update on charger, as battery is already dead | 21:52 |
| kerio | sure, why not | 21:53 |
| kerio | make sure you keep it attached though | 21:53 |
| WizardNumberNext | if it is safe, then I would leave it as it is and update as soon as HAM would finish doing exactly nothing | 21:53 |
| kerio | you can't do anything anyway | 21:53 |
| WizardNumberNext | i can change to another charger, which needs either my finger to pull it out or proper pliers | 21:54 |
| kerio | HAM locks down just about everything when you do an update | 21:54 |
| kerio | ...hold on now, what's the problem with your charger? | 21:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have seen it already, so I know what I am sing up for | 21:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have two AC-10X chargers - both works perfectly | 21:54 |
| kerio | no, i meant the microusb port | 21:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | one is very hard to remove from USB socket, so I might switch to that one just to be sure it won't be pulled by accident | 21:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | one of them (this one, which is used as home charger) is normal and it is easy to remove from socket, but other one... it really need pliers for everybody else then me | 21:56 |
| kerio | just... leave it be? | 21:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | I do not plan to change anything at the moment | 21:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | I even don't like to take any charger out of my backpack | 21:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | I have car charger DC6 or something like that and wallcharger AC-10X in my backpack - always | 21:57 |
| * eccerr0r needs to figure out how hard it is to solder down the microusb port so that he doesn't have to worry about breaking it... | 21:58 | |
| kerio | eccerr0r: not that hard | 21:58 |
| kerio | ~usbfix | 21:58 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) | 21:58 |
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| eccerr0r | I tried opening my 5230 to see if I could fix its power problem. That was not fun to do. | 21:59 |
| eccerr0r | I hope the n900 isn't nearly as hard to open | 21:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | accerr0r - not hard at all - good rosin, good tin (please no RoHS), and gas soldering iron | 21:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | n900 is very easy to disassemble and reassemble | 21:59 |
| eccerr0r | that's encouraging... | 21:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | I did it to many times to give any estimate | 22:00 |
| eccerr0r | I sanded down my microusb plugs in the meantime but really would like to make sure it won't come out... | 22:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | last time 2 days ago, when I tried to polish digitizer using watered-down tooth-paste and made my display wet | 22:00 |
| eccerr0r | err.. the outlet won't come out. | 22:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | I wopul not do anything like that to USB plug | 22:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | USB plug should be left alone | 22:01 |
| eccerr0r | worst case it'd not hold as well, but it would be less stress on the n900 | 22:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | one of my friend squeezed it and from that time he was unable to charge his HTC | 22:01 |
| eccerr0r | my take is, sacrifice usb cable before sacrificing n900... | 22:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | actually pcb is perfectly able to hold it, but plug itself isn't soldered, only pins | 22:02 |
| kerio | sanding it down is deprecated | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | metal dust in USB plug can ruin your receptacle | 22:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | sanding down usb plug - that's weird idea anyway | 22:02 |
| kerio | it's easier to use a soft pencil to spread some graphite on it | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and push the latches in with your fingernail a few times, which helps wonders | 22:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | especially after having server with tons of HDDs and only molex plugs - never try to file anything without really good reason | 22:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: not good advice either, graphite conducts... | 22:04 |
| kerio | that's the point | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | USB never will come out on straight pulling out the plug. It breaks by you bending the plug | 22:05 |
| kerio | and it will not grind on anything, because it's soft | 22:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it conducts even in places which do not want to | 22:05 |
| kerio | not between the contacts, surely | 22:05 |
| kerio | there's no place for that | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a soft pencil won't go to places you don't want it | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we didn't suggest to use graphite dust | 22:06 |
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| WizardNumberNext | ok, leave graphite and pencil, I do not even want to think about such "hack", it makes turns in my brain go straight | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would be almost as evil as metal dust from sanding | 22:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | even worse, as it would be harder to remove - iron dust could be picked-up with magnet - do it with graphite | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're not supposed to paint the *inside* of your USB plug with that pencil | 22:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | I think I would spend rest of day on windows, as I want to play some games (and it is only for games) | 22:09 |
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| WizardNumberNext | man you are slowly, but very efficiently moiving me out from here for while | 22:10 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I really don't won't to argue about graphite, pencil or anything like that - leave alone usb as well | 22:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | oh BT died again - USB doesn't work | 22:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is nice it leaves my mouse working (wonder how) | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: then don't argue about it | 22:11 |
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| WizardNumberNext | this what I am trying for last few minutes | 22:11 |
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| WizardNumberNext | and I am trying to be as polite as I can | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry dude, you started it | 22:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | normally, if you would stand in front of me, you might find that I am capricorn even without asking me for birthdate | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now that you don't like to continue it, leave it to eccerr0r, kerio, me | 22:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am planning to | 22:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am going to play timeshock! tw | 22:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | s/tw/tm/ | 22:12 |
| infobot | WizardNumberNext meant: I am going to play timeshock! tm | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | normally if you would know me for longer, you'd be amazed of my patienvce today, despite everybody trying his best to troll me | 22:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: it doesn't work with extras-devel | 22:13 |
| kerio | fscking domain thing | 22:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | lost damn half-hour on extras-devel | 22:14 |
| kerio | merlin1991: do you have write access to rmo community-testing? | 22:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | not blaming anybody - I knew it is huge | 22:14 |
| n900-dk | WizardNumberNext: Did the tooth-paste trick work on your digitizer or are you kiding? | 22:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: are trying to fix it on the other side? | 22:14 |
| kerio | or does that rely on the autobuilder? | 22:14 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: i'm not trying anything, merlin1991 is the cssu-testing maintainer | 22:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | n900-dk: toothpaste is actually quite good polisher | 22:15 |
| n900-dk | do you have pics, before and after? | 22:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | and yes it worked - both ways - polished it a bit (for 5 minutes it is great effect) and fck-up my display, till makeing it dry | 22:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | no, I do not have another n900 | 22:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | I might do some pics latter on with my N95 | 22:16 |
| WizardNumberNext | but trying to get it off n95 is another trick | 22:16 |
| n900-dk | ever heard of a camera ;) | 22:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | but I am not going to make another try any time soon, as it needs almost complete disassemble of n900 (display have to kept dry) | 22:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | camera? would like to have one! would donate one to me? | 22:17 |
| n900-dk | heh, snappy comeback ;) | 22:17 |
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| WizardNumberNext | you mean SS (not offensive, just Snappy Shots) | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scanners make for excellent macro cameras | 22:19 |
| kerio | only for flat things, though, right? | 22:19 |
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| WizardNumberNext | no, definitely won't help here. I am not going to dump whole 16gb uSD on desktop/server just to be able to store 12 photos | 22:19 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: cssu upload relies on an import directory | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/ | 22:19 |
| kerio | i see | 22:19 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocSrcutinizer05: I would try - I have 1200dpi, so should good enough | 22:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | you mean you did those on scanner? | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | sorry I have too! FUCK sake | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not all of them, obviously | 22:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | that is amazing then | 22:20 |
| WizardNumberNext | I could not load most of it on n900 | 22:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | amiga came back - memory out | 22:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | s/memory out/memory run out/ | 22:21 |
| infobot | WizardNumberNext meant: amiga came back - memory run out | 22:21 |
| WizardNumberNext | then I am going to scan my XFX nVidia 9800 GTX+ XXX | 22:22 |
| WizardNumberNext | but printer have to have small memory, because it doesn't allow 1200dpi from itself - you have to do it on computer (impossible as it is on 802.11 at the moment0 | 22:23 |
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| WizardNumberNext | anyway it would disappear with ability to enumarate, as other devices do | 22:24 |
| kerio | merlin1991: :( | 22:24 |
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| WizardNumberNext | no idea what's wrong with this stupid USB | 22:24 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: what? | 22:24 |
| kerio | the cssu-testing problem | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw | 22:26 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok guys, most probably I am going to spend rest of night on sad OS, explode few heads at M$hit and generally have fun mixed with awfull taste of bad programming | 22:26 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: anyway, you should still be able to disable the domain check and install it with HAM | 22:26 |
| kerio | or... hm | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [general notice] merlin1991 is our new official maemo.org repository maintainer | 22:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | should I read it or should I relax and think again about HMG | 22:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hahahaha nice | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | speed appointment | 22:27 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: do you agree, should I go ahead and diable domain checks in HAM just for time being? | 22:28 |
| kerio | it's a kludge | 22:28 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: it's probably much easier to install the one package that's missing via apt | 22:28 |
| WizardNumberNext | DocSrutinizer05: appaointemnt gone - it was so damn FAAAAST.... | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a viable way to handle this mess for now | 22:28 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: could you try to do the system upgrade again and see if there's some way to get the actual error? | 22:29 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: first I have to know which one is missing | 22:29 |
| kerio | indeed | 22:29 |
| kerio | there should be a way to get HAM to display an error | 22:29 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: check the log, possibly | 22:30 |
| kerio | it's in the menu | 22:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | ok, on it | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even can get saved to a file | 22:30 |
| WizardNumberNext | what? HAM is gone by itself? | 22:30 |
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| kerio | it's weird that nokia put that there, actually | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh hi chanserv | 22:30 |
| kerio | HAM is obviously perfect and can have no problems at all | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | something that convoluted must be perfect :) | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: what been that package of last October that had hashsum error? | 22:32 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is ignoring (most probably every) from "wrong domain" | 22:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | so domain fix should/would fix that | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the idea | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I don't get it which domain is "wrong" | 22:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | if I only have this windows still opened, butI was on sad OS in meantime | 22:34 |
| WizardNumberNext | maemo.nokika.org | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, that's the friggin key-expired problem | 22:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | which very starnge because more often, then not it cannot update it on ham, but apt have no damn problem with such simple task, even trough proxy | 22:35 |
| WizardNumberNext | I was thinking same, so I was ingroning everthing from there anyway | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt not checking that level of signature/trust | 22:36 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no, that's not the problem | 22:36 |
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| kerio | the problem is that the latest cssu-testing requires a certain version of a package | 22:36 |
| kerio | and that version has a dependency of a certain version of another package | 22:36 |
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| WizardNumberNext | sometimes I really love depency business | 22:37 |
| kerio | that package is already installed as a system package, and the newer version is only in extras-testing and extras-devel | 22:37 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: which packge are we talking about? | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who the F*** messed that up again? | 22:37 |
| WizardNumberNext | \last time it was reason to get back to debian 6, even though debian 7 was working much better on my monster | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oh hi chanserv | 22:38 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: can you give us a name of a package? | 22:38 |
| kerio | in the logs | 22:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: extras-devel is enabled, but still nokia have same problem anyway | 22:38 |
| kerio | yeah, yeah | 22:38 |
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| WizardNumberNext | all of them? | 22:38 |
| kerio | what does the log say? | 22:38 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: nope | 22:38 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would be very happilly kick out for that | 22:38 |
| kerio | also what the fuck, ChanServ | 22:38 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: just pastebin the log | 22:39 |
| kerio | http://pastebin.mozilla.org | 22:39 |
| WizardNumberNext | I would love to: it doesn't save it | 22:39 |
| * merlin1991 bets it's an dependency on something in downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 22:39 | |
| WizardNumberNext | ok, I would try in mydocs | 22:39 |
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| WizardNumberNext | sweet-chili sauce - that a stuff | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh hi chanserv | 22:40 |
| kerio | it was either libcurl, or libssl iirc | 22:40 |
| kerio | and apparently the services keep crashing | 22:40 |
| WizardNumberNext | and prawns - can life be a little better? I dont't think so | 22:40 |
| kerio | merlin1991: which packages from dmnc aren't preinstalled in fremantle? | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | can't give you a full list, but i.e a dependency of cutetube sits there | 22:42 |
| kerio | meh, fscking nokia | 22:42 |
| WizardNumberNext | so, this one is solved - I have cutetube - my father installed it ages ago | 22:43 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: that's not the problem, i think :) | 22:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | me neithert | 22:43 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: who's supposed to ask for permission to rehost dmnc to nokia? | 22:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | sorry my hands are busy with prawns | 22:43 |
| kerio | board? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | now it is updating (like apt-get update) | 22:44 |
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| WizardNumberNext | at last | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but nokia won't transfer that domain to us | 22:45 |
| WizardNumberNext | ssh welcome to | 22:46 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: yeah but we can add it with the same trust level but with different keys via cssu-enabler | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 22:46 |
| kerio | as far as we can see, nokia is clearly not eager to fix the keys | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it just takes ages, like everything inside nokia | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | WizardNumberNext; did you figure out how to edit charge21 to your preferred settings? | 22:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | I should say: 802.11 welcome to, before any ssh\] | 22:47 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: you are far better on commenting then me. Yes, I did. Thank for such usefull script | 22:48 |
| WizardNumberNext | s/Tank/Tank you/ | 22:48 |
| WizardNumberNext | I think it is worse then it have been | 22:49 |
| WizardNumberNext | first I eat whol,e word, then just character, but "tank you" doesn't make any of wanted senser | 22:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | sorry, eating, dringin and laughing at myself costantnly | 22:50 |
| kerio | you seem drunk | 22:50 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is hard to type, while your keyboard is covered with desk, you are eating and you do not look on keyboard as you used to do, because food seam to be more atractive | 22:51 |
| WizardNumberNext | but you might be right anyway | 22:51 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I do not deny (lion share of bottle of wine isn't so small amount) | 22:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | so I think it would most safe for everybody to leave my migration to CSSU-testing till tomorrow (it won't escape me I think) | 22:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | cup of wine is getting empty | 22:54 |
| kerio | ...perhaps it would be best, yes | 22:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | oh, so damn good - still have some in bottle | 22:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | ..not much | 22:54 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: it is plainly about my energu levels | 22:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | I tend to wear a lot faster after wine, then without | 22:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | I mean get tired | 22:55 |
| WizardNumberNext | otherwise I would be able to write nuclear head soft still (I am so sorry USA, I didn't want to, I was drunk) ;) | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | WizardNumberNext; funny that, DocScrutinizer has on numerous occasions used "WTF" when reading those comments | 22:56 |
| WizardNumberNext | I don't get on which point, but I suppose there was few of them | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: your roman hex notation is a bit unusual, yes ;-D | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | the 7-1250 6-1150 stuff | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:57 |
| WizardNumberNext | wait the second - it seamed to be obious to me | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 22:58 |
| WizardNumberNext | you simply used hex notation, or like others used those parts of byte which counts for that particular function | 22:58 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I have seen it many times previously | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | It'd looked very different had I known sh can do binary arithmetic :) | 22:58 |
| wirr | any experience with tinymail/camel libs anyone? | 22:59 |
| WizardNumberNext | bash especially - it is very capable and most probably we still don't how much it can do for us | 22:59 |
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| WizardNumberNext | last one wasn't joke! | 22:59 |
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| WizardNumberNext | wirr, I am eager, but not wise enough | 23:00 |
| kerio | i prefer using an actual programming language | 23:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | kerio: it depends on your point of view | 23:00 |
| kerio | or perhaps a better programming language | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 23:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | look on bash like PL and you'll see much more then PL only | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since bashscript *is* a programming language | 23:01 |
| wirr | WielkiTost, yep you seem _very_ eager | 23:01 |
| kerio | the stdlib kinda sucks though | 23:01 |
| kerio | and there's no proper standard for it | 23:01 |
| wirr | s/WielkiTos/WizardNumberNext/ | 23:01 |
| infobot | wirr meant: WizardNumberNextt, yep you seem _very_ eager | 23:01 |
| WizardNumberNext | at least it is considered as PL by some people - I am bit on edge of such decision, but I used Shell Scripts from 1996, so I really like it many ways | 23:02 |
| kerio | for instance, gnu grep vs bsd grep | 23:02 |
| WizardNumberNext | wirr?!?! are you polish or something? How did you get Wielki there? | 23:02 |
| * wirr thinks autocompletion sucks | 23:03 | |
| WizardNumberNext | he is typing from polish correcting OS | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; busybox sh surely can't be less real than js, the new official Gnome programming language. | 23:03 |
| tadzik | WizardNumberNext: WielkiTOst is a user here | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WizardNumberNext: nick autocompletion | 23:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | how is that? I avoid contact with polsih people and they always seem to find me EVERYWHERE!@ | 23:04 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: i don't personally like it, but apparently ecmascript6 is quite powerful | 23:04 |
| tadzik | still, there seems to be plenty of us Polish over here | 23:04 |
| kerio | and busybox sh is a sad state of affairs | 23:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | no offence - I just want to better with english | 23:04 |
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| ShadowJK | kerio; atleast I havent found any bugs in busybox sh yet | 23:04 |
| WizardNumberNext | it is good to have explaination for everything | 23:05 |
| kerio | i don't quite like the prototyping system as opposed to defining classes, but... | 23:05 |
| * ShadowJK found NetBSD sh buggy enough to cause issues | 23:05 | |
| WizardNumberNext | busybox - I never really liked it | 23:05 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: as opposed to? javascript? gnome's javascript? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: haha, no bugs in messybox? | 23:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | no offence - I just dislike BB in general | 23:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | I use bash3 on desktop and (surprisingly enough) bash4 on n900 | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | kerio; i'm just saying as far as sh implementations go, I've never personally encountered a bug in busybox, but have encountered them in other implementations :) | 23:06 |
| kerio | oh, busybox is quite excellent in what it does | 23:06 |
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| kerio | it's just that what it does sucks | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | Also NetBSD's sh gets quite a lot of testing, half their build system is written in it | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | (other half in make) | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | dependencies and all | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: there's been at least one, which caused fremantle-PR1.0 initscripts cause bootloop when you replaced messybox by proper unixtools | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (bug in messybox that is) | 23:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | whatever, for me being unable to invoke 'ping -s 65517 -i0.2 -f some.ip' as usert is a bug | 23:07 |
| kerio | by the way, shouldn't scripts that depend on busyboxisms use ash as their interpreter? | 23:07 |
| kerio | WizardNumberNext: how about not having a working `su`? | 23:08 |
| kerio | also, install ping from fremantle/tools | 23:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | su comes from BB? | 23:08 |
| kerio | yep | 23:08 |
| kerio | and doesn't work, because busybox isn't suid root | 23:08 |
| kerio | (thankfully) | 23:08 |
| WizardNumberNext | |I use ping from somewhere else, as BB ping is crap for me - needs root to ping even myself? | 23:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | that is madness | 23:09 |
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| kerio | ping does, indeed, need root access | 23:09 |
| kerio | to open the raw socket to send ICMP packets | 23:09 |
| WizardNumberNext | I even don't won't to see what BB can do to OS while being SUID! | 23:09 |
| kerio | that's why it's usually suid root | 23:09 |
| kerio | like, everywhere | 23:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | wait - I never checked to be honest | 23:10 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it same difference - you want to use it you still have to be root | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | ping needs root privs, period. :) | 23:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | actually kernel have support for ICMP, but I never checked, if it is bth ways support | 23:11 |
| WizardNumberNext | but it is still weird to become root just to ping other side of air | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | messybox can't have root privs, exclamation mark | 23:12 |
| WizardNumberNext | or cable | 23:12 |
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| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: I agree | 23:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: messybox certainly can have suid root, it's a file - perhaps you meant that it mustn't, exclamation mark and ~2119 | 23:13 |
| kerio | (does it at least drop the priviledges asap, i wonder) | 23:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | anyway I am going to screw myself with worst OS I ever have seen - M$hit winAwe | 23:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | see yea, guys | 23:13 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am going to wash my brain | 23:14 |
| kerio | hm, it does | 23:14 |
| kerio | well, at least there's that | 23:14 |
| WizardNumberNext | hibernation failed | 23:15 |
| WizardNumberNext | adaucious to blame | 23:15 |
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| WizardNumberNext | what this time? | 23:16 |
| kerio | less noise please | 23:18 |
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| kerio | man, that guy is *extenuating* | 23:34 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: it's been more than one hour since you've become the maintainer, and the repos aren't fixed yet! | 23:35 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: :D | 23:36 |
| merlin1991 | I can't do anything untill I know how the repos work and there's no docs, so I'll have to wait for that "knowledge transfer" | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | merlin1991: you're doing it wrong | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | merlin1991: you're supposed to set an out-of-office reply saying "Happy <made up or obscure holiday>!", and go to the pub until Tuesday :D | 23:39 |
| kerio | dammit ShadowJK he didn't need to know that | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | :D | 23:41 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: hold on, today is tuesday | 23:42 |
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| ShadowJK | Not THIS tuesday, obviously | 23:43 |
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| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: it was cutetube 1.4.1 | 23:51 |
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